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FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:17 am

Due to bad weather in Thessaloniki (SKG), Ryanair 8562 doing the STN-SKG route diverts to Timisoara. Greek media reporting 100 passengers decided to take the bus home, but for the other 100, the ministry of Interior has chartered an Aegean bird.

Yes, we all know that "what you pay is what you get", but landing 2 countries away isn't a bit of overkill? Especially since the flight path https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/fr8582#1f13d755 shows that it would be much easier for them to go to Athens.

SKG-ATH is 186 miles, while SKG-TSR is 374. Besides, FR has a regional hub in ATH.
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Re: FR8562 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:21 am

Pavlakakos wrote:
Due to bad weather in Thessaloniki (SKG), Ryanair 8562 doing the STN-SKG route diverts to Timisoara. Greek media reporting 100 passengers decided to take the bus home, but for the other 100, the ministry of Interior has chartered an Aegean bird.

Yes, we all know that "what you pay is what you get", but landing 2 countries away isn't a bit of overkill? Especially since the flight path https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/fr8582#1f13d755 shows that it would be much easier for them to go to Athens.

SKG-ATH is 186 miles, while SKG-TSR is 374. Besides, FR has a regional hub in ATH.


Who is paying the charter rate of the A3 bird?
 
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Re: FR8562 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:26 am

SQ22 wrote:
Who is paying the charter rate of the A3 bird?


I don't think this will be published, but i guess since it's elections year, the overgenerous Greek government can always add something to the debt. :P
 
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Re: FR8562 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:40 am

FR doesn't have hubs - which are all about connectivity - but rather aircraft and crew bases.
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Re: FR8562 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:51 am

Surely there must be more to this story? FR just said "bye" to everyone after landing in Timisoara? Hard to believe. What about the crew?
 
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Re: FR8562 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:53 am

Why not landing in SOF? Sofia to Thessaloniki is only 4-5 hours by coach.
 
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Re: FR8562 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:53 am

Pavlakakos wrote:
SQ22 wrote:
Who is paying the charter rate of the A3 bird?


I don't think this will be published, but i guess since it's elections year, the overgenerous Greek government can always add something to the debt. :P


I tend to agree with you.:)
 
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Re: FR8562 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:56 am

Aeroflot777 wrote:
Surely there must be more to this story? FR just said "bye" to everyone after landing in Timisoara? Hard to believe. What about the crew?


If you browse through Tripadvisor reviews you can read similar things like this, but that doens't necessarily mean the review were accurately describing what really happened, so you have to take it with a grain of salt.
 
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Re: FR8562 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:56 am

Aeroflot777 wrote:
Surely there must be more to this story? FR just said "bye" to everyone after landing in Timisoara? Hard to believe. What about the crew?


The bird in question returned to London and has already made the Stansted-Salzburg flight. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ei-ekk
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:27 am

It isn't uncommon in the balkans for bad weather to cover such a large area. Diverting all the way to Timisoara is still a bit far though.

Pavlakakos wrote:
FR has a regional hub in ATH.


*Base ;)

I believe they also have one in Timisoara, which may have influenced the decision.
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:50 am

Typical Ryanair - no wonder they've again been voted the least popular airline with 70% of those surveyed saying they'll never fly them again. Mind you - BA were only 4 places above them.
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:33 pm

Al these questions about why didn't they land here or there - anyone know what the weather was like at these airports?
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:15 pm

There's got to be more to this story. I worked with (not for) FR for a number of years, and generally found them pretty good in diversion situations, and also cancelled a lot less flights than the likes of BA and EZY!
The media and Governing bodies would have a field day if the passengers were just abandoned.
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:26 pm

Crossing the whole country of Macedonia must have turned the stomachs of many Thessalonians
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:38 pm

Timisiora is closer to London
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:48 pm

I wonder if the bus was provided by Ryanair, but that 100 passengers refused to take it, resulting in the chartered Aegean flight?
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:48 pm

Much of SE Europe has had awful weather last few days.
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:57 pm

If all those people who say they will never travel with Ryanair again do not then ryanair is quite remarkable - being able to consistantly find new passengers and increase overall oassenger numbers month on month and year on year
I love the hysteria when a single Ryanair flight has a hiccup and no mention on the other 450 aircraft used
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:04 pm

I think it's more "I'll never fly Ryanair again" and then next time they're booking flights "Oooo Ryanair are €10 cheaper! I'll book with them".

My last trip cost me £34 return to Brussels, and next month I'm flying to Berlin for the same. Can't complain when you're flying hundreds of miles for less than it costs to fill the 45 litre tank in my small car!
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:33 pm

I would grumble about a 4 hour bus ride finishing my air trip. But were it done moderately expeditiously only a grumble. I've had it happen on a train trip. Annoying, did not ruin my day.
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Re: FR8562 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:33 pm

Aeroflot777 wrote:
Surely there must be more to this story? FR just said "bye" to everyone after landing in Timisoara? Hard to believe. What about the crew?


No doubt it was a London based crew, so they stayed on board and returned to London on an empty plane.

From what I understood Ryanair tried to make arrangements, but this would take some time. In the meanwhile the passengers had to wait. The fact that arrangements were not made at the moment the plane landed was misinterpreted as if Ryanair would do nothing and the passengers were left stranded.

eirflot wrote:
I love the hysteria when a single Ryanair flight has a hiccup and no mention on the other 450 aircraft used
Pure magic!


Indeed. When this happens on another airline (and it often happens) you hear nothing about it. When it happens on Ryanair it's big news.
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:34 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
I would grumble about a 4 hour bus ride finishing my air trip. But were it done moderately expeditiously only a grumble. I've had it happen on a train trip. Annoying, did not ruin my day.


Their bus journey would have been a lot longer than 4 hours. It would be a minimum of 10 hours+, plus 2 sometimes slow border crossings.
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:41 pm

LTenEleven wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
I would grumble about a 4 hour bus ride finishing my air trip. But were it done moderately expeditiously only a grumble. I've had it happen on a train trip. Annoying, did not ruin my day.


Their bus journey would have been a lot longer than 4 hours. It would be a minimum of 10 hours+, plus 2 sometimes slow border crossings.


I think even more, as they would not be able to take shortest route, unless all passengers had passports - which would be unusual on intra-EU flight.
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:06 pm

september wrote:
LTenEleven wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
I would grumble about a 4 hour bus ride finishing my air trip. But were it done moderately expeditiously only a grumble. I've had it happen on a train trip. Annoying, did not ruin my day.


Their bus journey would have been a lot longer than 4 hours. It would be a minimum of 10 hours+, plus 2 sometimes slow border crossings.


I think even more, as they would not be able to take shortest route, unless all passengers had passports - which would be unusual on intra-EU flight.


The UK isnt in Schengen so Passports/comparable ID are required to travel.
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:17 pm

september wrote:
I think even more, as they would not be able to take shortest route, unless all passengers had passports - which would be unusual on intra-EU flight.


You can enter Serbia and Macedonia with any European (EU) ID card. As well as Montenegro, Albania, Bosnia and some other random countries (Georgia) and of course EEA countries (Norway, Iceland, Switzerland). My only doubt would be Kosovo. Particularly because Greece (like Spain) does not recognise Kosovo, so I imagine for KS you need a Greek passport (but you don't need to cross Kosovo from Timisoara to Thessaloniki).

hotelmode wrote:
The UK isnt in Schengen so Passports are required to travel.


No passports are required for EU citizens to travel to the UK/ROI. Schengen has nothing to do with that. Any European ID is valid.

It is unclear whether this might change after Brexit in the UK.
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:33 pm

Any non-EU citizens could well have had visa issues with Bulgaria, Macedonia, Romania and Serbia.

Even by Ryanair standards it does seem particularly poor form to leave passenger a 10+ hour bus ride away with no reasonable alternative travel arrangements.
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:32 pm

EU261 needs to fine airlines heavily for abandoning passengers like this. They are shirking their duty of care. Same when passengers are forced to sleep overnight at an airport due to a cancellation.
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:44 pm

What happened to the passengers waiting for the flight out of SKG?
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:22 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
I would grumble about a 4 hour bus ride finishing my air trip. But were it done moderately expeditiously only a grumble. I've had it happen on a train trip. Annoying, did not ruin my day.

4h drive? Timisoara-Thessaloniki is almost 800km by car and buses go a lot slower, plus the weather has been awful in the Balkans with a lot of snow and icy conditions...It took 16h for the bus to arrive to Thessaloniki..and mind you, it s the holidays and a lot of these pax have paid 350-450euros for the flight..Not cheap, as many would think..FR has a base in SOF so it could have diverted there, like Transavia from AMS did..I dont know why it didnt..Wizzair from VIE landed at SKP and bussed the pax to Thessaloniki but its 3h away..Passengers are furious with FR with the way the whole thing was handled and the press and internet has had a field-day bashing Ryanair,citing also the recent Which-Survey that ranked FR as the worst airline in Europe...
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:17 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
september wrote:
I think even more, as they would not be able to take shortest route, unless all passengers had passports - which would be unusual on intra-EU flight.


You can enter Serbia and Macedonia with any European (EU) ID card. As well as Montenegro, Albania, Bosnia and some other random countries (Georgia) and of course EEA countries (Norway, Iceland, Switzerland). My only doubt would be Kosovo. Particularly because Greece (like Spain) does not recognise Kosovo, so I imagine for KS you need a Greek passport (but you don't need to cross Kosovo from Timisoara to Thessaloniki).


I didn't know that, indeed that solves one issues. However they would be still subject to Serbian, Macedonian and finally EU customs, which means that perhaps some items in baggage would no be possible to be carried in the bus?
 
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Re: FR8582 diverts and leaves almost 200 pax stranded

Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:07 pm

LTenEleven wrote:
Any non-EU citizens could well have had visa issues with Bulgaria, Macedonia, Romania and Serbia..


I doubt this would happen even in any possible combination :) First of all, Romania and Bulgaria are EU countries.

Serbia and Macedonia are very lax with visas. For instance, Chinese and Russian citizens can enter visa on arrival to Serbia (and Iranians to Serbia until a few months ago; which meant Iranians used Serbia as an entry point to Europe, then trying to squeeze into the EU).

A STN-SKG flight meant that any non-EU PAX could enter visa-free in both countries (e.g. an American or Korean citizen) or had an UK and a Schengen Visa.

So it is very unlikely that there is any nationality that could be refused entry into Serbia/Macedonia and being allowed into the UK and the Schengen area.

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