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OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:11 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

Small holiday changes, but a few interesting ones.

**DL ATL-HHH MAY 0>0.9[0] JUN 0>3[0] JUL 0>3[0] AUG 0>3[0] SEP 0>3[0] OCT 0>3[0]
DL ATL-PHX APR 6>7[6]
DL ATL-YVR SEP 0.5>0.3[0.4]
DL BOS-CLE MAR 1.2>2[0]
DL CVG-PHX APR 0.0>1.0[0]
DL DTW-RSW APR 3>4[3]
DL HNL-SEA SEP 1.5>1.0[1.0]
DL MSP-RSW APR 2>3[2]
DL RDM-SEA MAR 2>3[2] APR 2>3[2] MAY 2>3[2]
Last week it was cancelled from June
**DL SEA-YEG MAR 1.0>0.0[1.7] APR 1.0>0[1.7] MAY 1.0>0[1.7] JUN 0.2>0[1.9]

EQ JFK-UIO FEB 1.0>0[0.9] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0[0.9]

Interesting. I guess they are leaving it to WOW. Not for sale on their website now.
**FI BWI-KEF JUN 0.6>0[0.6] JUL 0.6>0[0.6] AUG 0.5>0[0.5] SEP 0.6>0[0.6] OCT 0.4>0[0.5]

HA HNL-ITO MAR 15>14[15]
HA HNL-KOA MAR 19>17[19]
HA KOA-LIH MAR 1.3>1.0[1.3]

SV JED-LAX JUN 0.4>0.7[0.6] JUL 0.4>0.7[0.7] AUG 0.5>0.7[0.7]

UA DEN-RSW MAR 1.2>1.9[1.0]

VC AUS-LIT FEB 0.6>0.3[0]
*VC AUS-OKC FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.4] JUN 0.3>0[0.8] JUL 0.3>0[0.9] AUG 0.3>0[0.7] SEP 0.3>0[0.7] OCT 0.3>0[0.7]
VC AUS-TUL FEB 0.6>0[0]
VC AUS-TUS FEB 0.4>0[0.4]
VC BTR-SFB FEB 0.3>0[0]
VC MGM-SFB FEB 0.3>0[0]

VH MDE-MIA FEB 0.6>0.3[0] MAR 0.6>0.3[0]
VH MIA-SMR FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0] APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0.2>0.4[0]

Now Just MAR/APR
*WG DAB-YYZ FEB 0.3>0[0]
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:20 pm

As awesome as ever but a slow week.. interesting
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:23 pm

I hope HHH has added some gate and ramp space because its going to get awfully crowded with all these new, larger airplane, flights.
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:29 pm

*VC AUS-OKC FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.4] JUN 0.3>0[0.8] JUL 0.3>0[0.9] AUG 0.3>0[0.7] SEP 0.3>0[0.7] OCT 0.3>0[0.7]


Thank God. The suffering can end. Their unreliability has been amazingly unimpressive. A complete joke of an airline.
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:40 pm

Huge bummer but not too surprising FI couldn't compete with WW’s fares at BWI. We never needed up to three flights a night to Iceland.
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:40 pm

Is this finally the end of ViaAir then? Don’t have their route map in front of me but I’m pretty sure that’s a huge chunk of it gone...
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:44 pm

Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:45 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Huge bummer but not too surprising FI couldn't compete with WW’s fares at BWI. We never needed up to three flights a night to Iceland.


FI was also competing against itself with IAD service.

DL is already adding service for the March start up on CLE-BOS. UA really dropped the ball there, IMHO.
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:46 pm

EQ (TAME) is retiring their sole 330 next month, so that explains the JFK-UIO cut.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:48 pm

Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.


Once FI started IAD the BWI service was on borrowed time although BWI-KEF hung tough for a good while.
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:48 pm

Slow week since it’s coming out of the holiday break period.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:51 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.


Once FI started IAD the BWI service was on borrowed time although BWI-KEF hung tough for a good while.

I could be wrong, but I thought they left BWI and came back later on.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:53 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
Is this finally the end of ViaAir then? Don’t have their route map in front of me but I’m pretty sure that’s a huge chunk of it gone...


I believe that leaves SFB- JAN/MOB and CAE as the only routes... they never started SFB-TLH as advertised
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:03 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Huge bummer but not too surprising FI couldn't compete with WW’s fares at BWI. We never needed up to three flights a night to Iceland.


FI was also competing against itself with IAD service.

DL is already adding service for the March start up on CLE-BOS. UA really dropped the ball there, IMHO.


I’m surprised UA dropped it. DL could be seeing some data warranting a second daily flight, although they also have experience with these mid-west business destinations from BOS (IND, CMH, MKE etc...) and they probably know you need two daily flights to really make it work for business travelers.
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:17 pm

Thanks as always enilria!

This one is somewhat interesting:

Now Just MAR/APR
*WG DAB-YYZ FEB 0.3>0[0]

Not sure if that means WG isn't committed to DAB beyond 2019. Let's see.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:25 pm

enilria wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.


Once FI started IAD the BWI service was on borrowed time although BWI-KEF hung tough for a good while.

I could be wrong, but I thought they left BWI and came back later on.


You are correct they did leave BWI.
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:28 pm

Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.



So by doing that is that a clear indication that they expect WOW to survive by getting out of their way at BWI ?
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:31 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.


Once FI started IAD the BWI service was on borrowed time although BWI-KEF hung tough for a good while.


Why? WAS is a big market, with BWI and IAD fifty miles apart at opposite ends of the metro area. BA serves both BWI and IAD.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:34 pm

enilria wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.


Once FI started IAD the BWI service was on borrowed time although BWI-KEF hung tough for a good while.

I could be wrong, but I thought they left BWI and came back later on.


They did indeed. I think they left in the late 70s and returned in 1983.

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Thanks as always enilria!

This one is somewhat interesting:

Now Just MAR/APR
*WG DAB-YYZ FEB 0.3>0[0]

Not sure if that means WG isn't committed to DAB beyond 2019. Let's see.


Since Sunwing announced this new route really late, it might also mean they didn’t leave themselves enough time to sell the February flights to get them full.

They did the same with MIA, but in that case they’re simply moving all their ops from FLL to MIA and FLL had already been on sale for months. I bet they received few cancellations as a result of this switch.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:37 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.


Once FI started IAD the BWI service was on borrowed time although BWI-KEF hung tough for a good while.


Why? WAS is a big market, with BWI and IAD fifty miles apart at opposite ends of the metro area. BA serves both BWI and IAD.


The Maryland govt. continues to build financial guarantees to keep BA service operating at BWI. About 95% of WAS TATL flights go through IAD. It is what it is.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:39 pm

What is the Delta equipment to HHH?
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:42 pm

klm617 wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.



So by doing that is that a clear indication that they expect WOW to survive by getting out of their way at BWI ?


Why does it have to be about WOW? If the route was losing money and FI already has flights in the region it makes sense to drop it.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:44 pm

Flighty wrote:
What is the Delta equipment to HHH?

E175
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:50 pm

IceAir pulled out of BWI 2008 and then returned in 2018.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... edirect=on
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:10 pm

Thanks as always, enilria!
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:29 pm

enilria wrote:
*VC AUS-OKC FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.4] JUN 0.3>0[0.8] JUL 0.3>0[0.9] AUG 0.3>0[0.7] SEP 0.3>0[0.7] OCT 0.3>0[0.7]

Well, given what a compete (censored) show their operation has been out of AUS, and the EXTREMELY bad press they took for their "pick em up in OKC for the AUS flight, but fly to TUL and strand em there" earlier this year, it's no wonder they're pulling the plug.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:33 pm

nkops wrote:
Flighty wrote:
What is the Delta equipment to HHH?

E175


I saw it was a YX 170 when trying to book it
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:56 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Thanks as always enilria!

This one is somewhat interesting:

Now Just MAR/APR
*WG DAB-YYZ FEB 0.3>0[0]

Not sure if that means WG isn't committed to DAB beyond 2019. Let's see.

:)
I thought February was the peak to Florida for Canadians. Now most of the flights are in April. I don't think that's peak.
klm617 wrote:
You are correct they did leave BWI.

I thought so. I remember being shocked they'd leave after so many years, so less shocked this time.
klm617 wrote:
So by doing that is that a clear indication that they expect WOW to survive by getting out of their way at BWI ?

Yes. I think they do survive, but in what form will Indigo morph them into?
stlgph wrote:
IceAir pulled out of BWI 2008 and then returned in 2018.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... edirect=on

That's what I thought.
SgtBarone wrote:
Thanks as always, enilria!

:)
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enilria wrote:
*VC AUS-OKC FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.4] JUN 0.3>0[0.8] JUL 0.3>0[0.9] AUG 0.3>0[0.7] SEP 0.3>0[0.7] OCT 0.3>0[0.7]

Well, given what a compete (censored) show their operation has been out of AUS, and the EXTREMELY bad press they took for their "pick em up in OKC for the AUS flight, but fly to TUL and strand em there" earlier this year, it's no wonder they're pulling the plug.

Maybe they should merge with CalPac to get reliability up. (I almost drowned in my own sarcasm pool)
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:09 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.



So by doing that is that a clear indication that they expect WOW to survive by getting out of their way at BWI ?


Why does it have to be about WOW? If the route was losing money and FI already has flights in the region it makes sense to drop it.


I don't see both Icelandic carriers surviving long term. WW seems to be hurting FI on some routes, yet they aren't exactly printing money if whats posted on various threads is true. Given a choice, I'd much rather FI be the surviving carrier.
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:02 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.


Once FI started IAD the BWI service was on borrowed time although BWI-KEF hung tough for a good while.


No. It did not.

FI left BWI in 2008 (general buisness challanges and the military traffic to the US Navy base at KEF had all but gone away) before starting IAD as a seasonal service in 2011.

BWI is axed for 2019 along with ORY which apparently was harder to sell in the US than CDG. Remaining metropolitan areas with FI service to two airports are JFK/EWR and LHR/LGW.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:20 pm

They have two products now. I am guessing BWI fits into the WOW model better than Iceland air did. IAD might be a better fit for Iceland air and it's more amenity services to compete against all the carriers at IAD. Makes sense to me, bet we will see more flips in both served airports they have the sata to see which model is better at each city to maximize profits.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:48 pm

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DL CVG-PHX APR 0.0>1.0[0]

I never did understand why they weren’t going to operate the route in April. Glad it is back!
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:13 pm

tlecam wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Huge bummer but not too surprising FI couldn't compete with WW’s fares at BWI. We never needed up to three flights a night to Iceland.


FI was also competing against itself with IAD service.

DL is already adding service for the March start up on CLE-BOS. UA really dropped the ball there, IMHO.


I’m surprised UA dropped it. DL could be seeing some data warranting a second daily flight, although they also have experience with these mid-west business destinations from BOS (IND, CMH, MKE etc...) and they probably know you need two daily flights to really make it work for business travelers.

DL is running 3 daily on weekdays. This might be an earlier start to the route.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:53 pm

Lapplander800 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear.


Once FI started IAD the BWI service was on borrowed time although BWI-KEF hung tough for a good while.


No. It did not.

FI left BWI in 2008 (general buisness challanges and the military traffic to the US Navy base at KEF had all but gone away) before starting IAD as a seasonal service in 2011.

BWI is axed for 2019 along with ORY which apparently was harder to sell in the US than CDG. Remaining metropolitan areas with FI service to two airports are JFK/EWR and LHR/LGW.


Fair point. I thought FI has been back longer.

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
They have two products now. I am guessing BWI fits into the WOW model better than Iceland air did. IAD might be a better fit for Iceland air and it's more amenity services to compete against all the carriers at IAD. Makes sense to me, bet we will see more flips in both served airports they have the sata to see which model is better at each city to maximize profits.


If WW dosen’t work it’s almost back to square one in terms of TATL for BWI. It’s weird seeing posters on here thinkng BWI-China would be successful.

Not sure if the product difference will be enough to offset FI’s presence at IAD. Isn’t FI operating a widebody to Dulles now?

We’ll see how this shakes out. Not rooting against BWI but this situation is not a positive.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:03 pm

Thanks as always for sharing this stuff, enilria!

enilria wrote:
VC AUS-LIT FEB 0.6>0.3[0]
*VC AUS-OKC FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.4] JUN 0.3>0[0.8] JUL 0.3>0[0.9] AUG 0.3>0[0.7] SEP 0.3>0[0.7] OCT 0.3>0[0.7]
VC AUS-TUL FEB 0.6>0[0]
VC AUS-TUS FEB 0.4>0[0.4]
VC BTR-SFB FEB 0.3>0[0]
VC MGM-SFB FEB 0.3>0[0]


Just within the last week or so Via's map had added PIT-BHM-AUS and PIT-MEM but those are not there anymore. It looks like they still plan to add SFB-CAE later this month and SFB-TLH in March based on what they have for sale on their website.

They have been posting month after month of awful loads and (if they are filing correctly) some pretty bad completion rates. These are from T100's which are available through September, excluding dropped stuff such as the Charlottle EAS routes.

Austin-Amarillo (started in September -- only 5 round trips reported so far)
32.7% load factor, 100.0% completion rate

Austin-Baton Rouge (started in September -- only 6 round trips reported so far)
25.8% load factor, 100.0% completion rate

Austin-Branson (started in May)
43.3% load factor, 90.2% completion rate

Austin-Little Rock (started in April)
23.5% load factor, 93.2% completion rate

Austin-Oklahoma City (started in April)
22.8% load factor, 88.8% completion rate

Austin-Steamboat (operated Jan-Mar in 2018)
47.1% load factor, 95.3% completion

Austin-Tucson (has operated in 2018 since January)
36.0% load factor, 85.0% completion

Austin-Tulsa (started in April)
27.5% load factor, 80.0% completion rate

Sanford-Baton Route (started in September, only 5 round trips reported so far)
11.6% load factor, 100,0% completion rate

Sanford-Jackson (started in June)
34.5% load factor, 97.6% completion rate

Sanford-Montgomery/Mobile (started May)
More than a few trips end up serving both cities -- it's not clear if that was scheduled or if they are frequently combined but this is a consolidated stat for the whole works
26.6% load factor, 95.0% completion rate

The completion factor comes from the T100 reported schedule trips versus how many operated. Some airlines don't seem to report the scheduled number accurately but Via seems to. For the year they appear to be about 90.3% in completion. That's really bad for anybody, but consider their few-times-a-week schedule and it's a killer. Instead of seeking airline partners they should seek to partner with a rental car company who will give their stranded members a local rate for last-minute one-way rentals.

It's possible (?) they are getting subsidy on the Branson flight and the seasonal Steamboat flights to cover cost in spite of being less than half full.. But the rest of the system is a total washout. What sort of average fares would they need to break even with 15 people on an ERJ for a 400-mile segment? $400? More?

Personally I find stuff like this entirely disheartening, if interesting to watch. I still believe there are city pairs out there with enough high-fare business travel demand to support point-to-point RJ flights, especially with relatively low fuel costs. But every time we have somebody perform like this it makes it all that much harder for somebody else with a stronger plan to get backing.
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:07 pm

No name recognition, can’t operate the flights reliably ... you are doomed. For an airline like Via to make it, they needed to run a nearly flawless operation, plus somehow convince the masses that switching over from a connecting flight on AA/UA/WN is worth it. That’s asking a lot, IMO. Not impossible, but who can honestly say they’d be surprised to see them go with the routes they were running?
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:11 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
If WW dosen’t work it’s almost back to square one in terms of TATL for BWI. It’s weird seeing posters on here thinkng BWI-China would be successful.

Not sure if the product difference will be enough to offset FI’s presence at IAD. Isn’t FI operating a widebody to Dulles now?

We’ll see how this shakes out. Not rooting against BWI but this situation is not a positive.


Agreed - though I doubt WW is going to be around BWI much longer, let alone in general. BWI is just not well positioned for a lot of intl. service for a number of reasons.

The reality is there are two main reasons people fly into/out of BWI: they are looking to save some money over flying into IAD/DCA if flying to Washington, or they are trying to get to Baltimore itself - neither bodes well for international carriers. For one, Baltimore has a smaller business market than DC (for obvious reasons), and for two, it generally carries lower yields because of the fact it usually has lower fares than IAD/DCA.

BWI also has the unfortunate position of being sandwiched in between IAD and PHL - both of which offer a great number of international destinations nonstop and both cities having larger business markets and higher yields than Baltimore. That's why BWI can support something like service to a major European city like LHR and of course the Caribbean, but I doubt we're ever going to see much more intl. service beyond perhaps CDG/FRA/etc. The idea of BWI-Asia is ludicrous.

If WW pulls out though, I wouldn't be shocked if FI comes back in summer seasonal or something like that.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:41 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Thanks as always for sharing this stuff, enilria!

Thanks
izbtmnhd wrote:
FI was also competing against itself with IAD service.

I think it was iffy from the start because they left once or twice already and now WW is making it even worse. They probably think they can compete from IAD. FI really depends on connects and a BWI-KEF-Europe is hard to sell when there are non-stops at IAD. They would really need low prices that the IAD carriers wouldn't match and they are a lot more likely not to match WW.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:17 pm

tlecam wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Huge bummer but not too surprising FI couldn't compete with WW’s fares at BWI. We never needed up to three flights a night to Iceland.


FI was also competing against itself with IAD service.

DL is already adding service for the March start up on CLE-BOS. UA really dropped the ball there, IMHO.


I’m surprised UA dropped it. DL could be seeing some data warranting a second daily flight, although they also have experience with these mid-west business destinations from BOS (IND, CMH, MKE etc...) and they probably know you need two daily flights to really make it work for business travelers.


I think DL keeps pushing the start date earlier and earlier on this one - that's why it looks like a frequency increase. Now its slated to begin 3/3/19. Its also 3x Mon-Fri, 1x Sa, and 2x Sun. All frequencies are CRJ-900 to start.
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:21 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Thanks as always for sharing this stuff, enilria!

enilria wrote:
VC AUS-LIT FEB 0.6>0.3[0]
*VC AUS-OKC FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.4] JUN 0.3>0[0.8] JUL 0.3>0[0.9] AUG 0.3>0[0.7] SEP 0.3>0[0.7] OCT 0.3>0[0.7]
VC AUS-TUL FEB 0.6>0[0]
VC AUS-TUS FEB 0.4>0[0.4]
VC BTR-SFB FEB 0.3>0[0]
VC MGM-SFB FEB 0.3>0[0]


Just within the last week or so Via's map had added PIT-BHM-AUS and PIT-MEM but those are not there anymore. It looks like they still plan to add SFB-CAE later this month and SFB-TLH in March based on what they have for sale on their website.

They have been posting month after month of awful loads and (if they are filing correctly) some pretty bad completion rates. These are from T100's which are available through September, excluding dropped stuff such as the Charlottle EAS routes.

Austin-Amarillo (started in September -- only 5 round trips reported so far)
32.7% load factor, 100.0% completion rate

Austin-Baton Rouge (started in September -- only 6 round trips reported so far)
25.8% load factor, 100.0% completion rate

Austin-Branson (started in May)
43.3% load factor, 90.2% completion rate

Austin-Little Rock (started in April)
23.5% load factor, 93.2% completion rate

Austin-Oklahoma City (started in April)
22.8% load factor, 88.8% completion rate

Austin-Steamboat (operated Jan-Mar in 2018)
47.1% load factor, 95.3% completion

Austin-Tucson (has operated in 2018 since January)
36.0% load factor, 85.0% completion

Austin-Tulsa (started in April)
27.5% load factor, 80.0% completion rate

Sanford-Baton Route (started in September, only 5 round trips reported so far)
11.6% load factor, 100,0% completion rate

Sanford-Jackson (started in June)
34.5% load factor, 97.6% completion rate

Sanford-Montgomery/Mobile (started May)
More than a few trips end up serving both cities -- it's not clear if that was scheduled or if they are frequently combined but this is a consolidated stat for the whole works
26.6% load factor, 95.0% completion rate

The completion factor comes from the T100 reported schedule trips versus how many operated. Some airlines don't seem to report the scheduled number accurately but Via seems to. For the year they appear to be about 90.3% in completion. That's really bad for anybody, but consider their few-times-a-week schedule and it's a killer. Instead of seeking airline partners they should seek to partner with a rental car company who will give their stranded members a local rate for last-minute one-way rentals.

It's possible (?) they are getting subsidy on the Branson flight and the seasonal Steamboat flights to cover cost in spite of being less than half full.. But the rest of the system is a total washout. What sort of average fares would they need to break even with 15 people on an ERJ for a 400-mile segment? $400? More?

Personally I find stuff like this entirely disheartening, if interesting to watch. I still believe there are city pairs out there with enough high-fare business travel demand to support point-to-point RJ flights, especially with relatively low fuel costs. But every time we have somebody perform like this it makes it all that much harder for somebody else with a stronger plan to get backing.


They actually operated SFB-CAE for a couple weeks using the E120 ... it has been suspended until the end of Jan.
I have noticed a couple of the ERJ's (802HK and 838HK) have not flown in several months, so that leaves 841 and 824 as the only operating aircraft I believe
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:26 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
They have two products now. I am guessing BWI fits into the WOW model better than Iceland air did. IAD might be a better fit for Iceland air and it's more amenity services to compete against all the carriers at IAD. Makes sense to me, bet we will see more flips in both served airports they have the sata to see which model is better at each city to maximize profits.


You know FI taking over WOW is off the table since November? So no, they only have one product.
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:31 pm

**FI BWI-KEF JUN 0.6>0[0.6] JUL 0.6>0[0.6] AUG 0.5>0[0.5] SEP 0.6>0[0.6] OCT 0.4>0[0.5]

Sucks for BWI... this is the second time that FI has added-then-dumped them, in a decade or so.





VC AUS-LIT FEB 0.6>0.3[0]
*VC AUS-OKC FEB 0.3>0[0]
VC AUS-TUL FEB 0.6>0[0]
VC AUS-TUS FEB 0.4>0[0.4]
VC BTR-SFB FEB 0.3>0[0]
VC MGM-SFB FEB 0.3>0[0]

Only thing surprising here, is that these aren't already all zeroed out. Not sure why anyone would book this airline, unless they had absolutely no time constraints, and didn't care when they actually arrive where they're going.
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:05 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
**FI BWI-KEF JUN 0.6>0[0.6] JUL 0.6>0[0.6] AUG 0.5>0[0.5] SEP 0.6>0[0.6] OCT 0.4>0[0.5]

Sucks for BWI... this is the second time that FI has added-then-dumped them, in a decade or so.





VC AUS-LIT FEB 0.6>0.3[0]
*VC AUS-OKC FEB 0.3>0[0]
VC AUS-TUL FEB 0.6>0[0]
VC AUS-TUS FEB 0.4>0[0.4]
VC BTR-SFB FEB 0.3>0[0]
VC MGM-SFB FEB 0.3>0[0]

Only thing surprising here, is that these aren't already all zeroed out. Not sure why anyone would book this airline, unless they had absolutely no time constraints, and didn't care when they actually arrive where they're going.


Actually, FI operated to BWI consitently from 1983 until the crash in 2008. So this is indeed the second time they dump them, but the first "add and dump". :)

Sad to see it go.
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:06 pm

Wonder why it's taking so long for Delta to add DTW-ORH
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:44 am

klm617 wrote:
Wonder why it's taking so long for Delta to add DTW-ORH

They already announced this route quite some time ago, I think. They just have yet to announce an official starting date. I'd expect it to come around sometime this upcoming summer.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:38 am

enilria wrote:
Now Just MAR/APR
*WG DAB-YYZ FEB 0.3>0[0]


MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Thanks as always enilria!

This one is somewhat interesting:

Now Just MAR/APR
*WG DAB-YYZ FEB 0.3>0[0]

Not sure if that means WG isn't committed to DAB beyond 2019. Let's see.


Dominion301 wrote:
Since Sunwing announced this new route really late, it might also mean they didn’t leave themselves enough time to sell the February flights to get them full.

They did the same with MIA, but in that case they’re simply moving all their ops from FLL to MIA and FLL had already been on sale for months. I bet they received few cancellations as a result of this switch.


Is this a mistake? As of now tickets are still available for sale in Feb at WG's website to DAB.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:48 am

Delta has never officially announced anything regarding ORH from their media / press release / corporate communications.

The announcement of DL DTW-ORH service was made by Massport.

It speaks volumes to how eager DL is to offer this service as since they haven’t said a thing, no start date, not loaded for sale, etc.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:53 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Delta has never officially announced anything regarding ORH from their media / press release / corporate communications.

The announcement of DL DTW-ORH service was made by Massport.

It speaks volumes to how eager DL is to offer this service as since they haven’t said a thing, no start date, not loaded for sale, etc.


I agree with you and I don't think the route is ever going to happen if Delta has any say in the matter. Just odd that Massport would go out on a limb like that without any assurance from Delta that it's going to start the route.
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Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2019: FI Axes KEF-BWI; DL to HHH,Earlier Drop of SEA-YEG

Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:52 am

xpfg wrote:
enilria wrote:
Now Just MAR/APR
*WG DAB-YYZ FEB 0.3>0[0]


MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Thanks as always enilria!

This one is somewhat interesting:

Now Just MAR/APR
*WG DAB-YYZ FEB 0.3>0[0]

Not sure if that means WG isn't committed to DAB beyond 2019. Let's see.


Dominion301 wrote:
Since Sunwing announced this new route really late, it might also mean they didn’t leave themselves enough time to sell the February flights to get them full.

They did the same with MIA, but in that case they’re simply moving all their ops from FLL to MIA and FLL had already been on sale for months. I bet they received few cancellations as a result of this switch.


Is this a mistake? As of now tickets are still available for sale in Feb at WG's website to DAB.


Could be a mistake. Would be odd to drop February during reading week in Ontario.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:13 pm

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I hope HHH has added some gate and ramp space because its going to get awfully crowded with all these new, larger airplane, flights.

IROPS are going to really interesting in HHH.

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