rainaviation
Topic Author
Posts: 188
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:18 pm

Thought I would merge the conversations from the BNA forum and SAT forum into one...

SY will begin BNA-LAX, BNA-PDX and BNA-PVD.

They will also start SAT-MSP, SAT-PDX, SAT-LAX

Also announcing routes from PHL, IAD, SMF, EWR, and ORD.

All routes start this summer. I wonder if they will allow connections to HNL from BNA and SAT.
Last edited by qf789 on Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:04 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Reason: Updated title for clarity
 
User avatar
southwest1675
Posts: 1084
Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:03 am

Re: Sun Country Expands in BNA/Announces SAT

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:21 pm

I expect Southwest to respond to this in the Nashville market.
Herb Kelleher 1931-2019
 
rainaviation
Topic Author
Posts: 188
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Re: Sun Country Expands in BNA/Announces SAT

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:22 pm

They are also announcing IAD today.
 
User avatar
FLIHGH
Posts: 252
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:19 pm

Re: Sun Country Expands in BNA/Announces SAT

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:23 pm

rainaviation wrote:
They are also announcing IAD today.

Would be a re-announcement. They served a couple years ago.
 
User avatar
Midwestindy
Posts: 4016
Joined: Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:56 am

Re: Sun Country Expands in BNA/Announces SAT

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:24 pm

Don't jump the gun dude, you left out a ton of new airports EWR, PVD, PHL, and IAD
Status for 2019/2020: AAdvantage Platinum, Delta Gold, Southwest A-List
 
rainaviation
Topic Author
Posts: 188
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Re: Sun Country Expands in BNA/Announces SAT

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:24 pm

stlgph wrote:
rainaviation wrote:
They are also announcing IAD today.


Good. Better start another 19 threads.


Yeah, sorry a bit premature on my part. Lets wait and see because they have also loaded EWR.
 
rainaviation
Topic Author
Posts: 188
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Re: Sun Country Expands in BNA/Announces SAT

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:25 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Don't jump the gun dude, you left out a ton of new airports EWR, PVD, PHL, and IAD


My apologies! Should have waited! I will wait longer next time. SMF is there too.
 
User avatar
enilria
Posts: 9497
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:15 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:37 pm

rainaviation wrote:
Thought I would merge the conversations from the BNA forum and SAT forum into one...

SY will begin BNA-LAX, BNA-PDX and BNA-PVD.

They will also start SAT-MSP, SAT-PDX, SAT-LAX

Also announcing routes from PHL, IAD, SMF, EWR, and ORD.

All routes start this summer. I wonder if they will allow connections to HNL from BNA and SAT.

If there’s going to be a single thread, could we see the full list of routes or a link? Saying they are adding flights “from EWR” is not useful information.
 
EMBQA
Posts: 7822
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:52 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:47 pm

A Sun Country question... We are flying them for the first time next month from BNA-MIA and looking at Seat Guru, Row 1 A-C does not have a bulkhead in front of the seats. Are you really staring at the door and FA Seat..? Looks like you guys jumped the gun.. BNA was going to announce at 0900CST
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
 
FlyHappy
Posts: 1036
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 1:06 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:51 pm

This is a lot of new domestic destinations, and I can see a few obvious winners (IMO, naturally). IAD and ORD look like things that can stick around beyond summer.
I am already wondering if SY will shift that capacity for next winter to rebuilding the frequency or destination for the beach routes that they scaled back.
 
FlyHappy
Posts: 1036
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 1:06 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:52 pm

EMBQA wrote:
A Sun Country question... We are flying them for the first time next month from BNA-MIA and looking at Seat Guru, Row 1 A-C does not have a bulkhead in front of the seats. Are you really staring at the door and FA Seat..? Looks like you guys jumped the gun.. BNA was going to announce at 0900CST


there's a bulkhead there.
 
rainaviation
Topic Author
Posts: 188
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:55 pm

EMBQA wrote:
A Sun Country question... We are flying them for the first time next month from BNA-MIA and looking at Seat Guru, Row 1 A-C does not have a bulkhead in front of the seats. Are you really staring at the door and FA Seat..? Looks like you guys jumped the gun.. BNA was going to announce at 0900CST


That map is outdated. They are all the economy now.
 
pmanni1
Posts: 102
Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:17 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:06 pm

I'm seeing STL-PDX starts June 10th and STL-MSP starts June 9th.
 
User avatar
knope2001
Posts: 2919
Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:54 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:10 pm

So for everything I'm seeing is 4x/week, thought I certainly haven't looked up every route yet. Until there's an actual news item I don't think anybody knows the full scope of the new flying -- people are simply reporting what they are finding very much like the periodic Southwest threads.

FWIW Madison ends 4/6 -- not sure if that is a permanent end, a certain seasonal resumption next winter or a "we'll see" seasonal drop.
 
lavalampluva
Posts: 1363
Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:33 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:12 pm

I'm remaining cautiously optimistic, but let's wait for the official press release from SY. It'll probably be a few hours, it's still early.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
Cubsrule
Posts: 13862
Joined: Sat May 15, 2004 12:13 pm

Re: Sun Country Expands in BNA/Announces SAT

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:15 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
I expect Southwest to respond to this in the Nashville market.


Why? There's no evidence that WN cares about SY - in BNA or elsewhere - a bit. Certainly they have pretty much ignored SY's entrance into BNA-MSP.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
 
FlyHappy
Posts: 1036
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 1:06 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:17 pm

knope2001 wrote:
So for everything I'm seeing is 4x/week, thought I certainly haven't looked up every route yet. Until there's an actual news item I don't think anybody knows the full scope of the new flying -- people are simply reporting what they are finding very much like the periodic Southwest threads.

FWIW Madison ends 4/6 -- not sure if that is a permanent end, a certain seasonal resumption next winter or a "we'll see" seasonal drop.


IAD ramps up to 6x and ORD to 7x . I expect both to be strong.
 
User avatar
SteveXC500
Posts: 505
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:38 pm

Re: Sun Country Expands in BNA/Announces SAT

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:20 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
I expect Southwest to respond to this in the Nashville market.


Why? There's no evidence that WN cares about SY - in BNA or elsewhere - a bit. Certainly they have pretty much ignored SY's entrance into BNA-MSP.


And WN is up to 2x daily this summer.
 
User avatar
SteveXC500
Posts: 505
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:38 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:21 pm

SY tried a flight to MDW out of MSP before and it failed miserably. How will ORD work better this time?
 
RL757PVD
Posts: 3017
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 1999 2:47 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:24 pm

Wonder if we will see SY BOS-MSP (DL + B6 bloodbath) switch down to PVD (unserved)
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
 
RL757PVD
Posts: 3017
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 1999 2:47 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:24 pm

Duplicate post - delete
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
 
FlyHappy
Posts: 1036
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 1:06 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:30 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
SY tried a flight to MDW out of MSP before and it failed miserably. How will ORD work better this time?


I think fares are more sustainable today than in the past.
 
sunking737
Posts: 1440
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:33 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:32 pm

On another web site there is a write up on SY.. https://skift.com/2019/01/08/sun-countr ... l-airline/

They made $30 million last year. Plus they are looking to add 6 737-800 per year. Tide Pod fleet is growing
I'm a SUNDUCK......Worked for RC & SY @ MSP
 
slcdeltarumd11
Posts: 4367
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:30 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:33 pm

Sun Country is changing to a proven model. Customer show they book with their wallets. The legacies don't help as the new seats on UA, AA, and DL are no better and they charge for baggage and seat assignments also.
 
shadez
Posts: 136
Joined: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:33 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:36 pm

Image
 
RL757PVD
Posts: 3017
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 1999 2:47 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:36 pm

I'm seeing 4x weekly PVD-MSP in addition to 4x weekly PVD-BNA, both have well timed connections to LAS and LAX
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
 
Blerg
Posts: 2050
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:42 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:38 pm

Looking at that map, I can't fail to notice that there is a lot of empty space in the south-east. What destinations and from which hubs are the most likely to be added in the future?
 
lavalampluva
Posts: 1363
Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:33 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:42 pm

They're making another attempt at the Chicago/DC markets!!? Well...maybe the 3rd time is a charm.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
sunking737
Posts: 1440
Joined: Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:33 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:47 pm

Blerg wrote:
Looking at that map, I can't fail to notice that there is a lot of empty space in the south-east. What destinations and from which hubs are the most likely to be added in the future?


This map only shows the new routes not the ones currently flying
I'm a SUNDUCK......Worked for RC & SY @ MSP
 
jplatts
Posts: 2685
Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:42 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:49 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
SY tried a flight to MDW out of MSP before and it failed miserably. How will ORD work better this time?


F9 and NK both tried MSP-ORD nonstop service, and both of these carriers did drop MSP-ORD nonstop service. F9 has also dropped other routes out of ORD that were in competition with WN nonstop routes out of MDW, NK nonstop routes out of ORD, and AS nonstop routes out of ORD.

F9 is been able to make MSP-CVG and MSP-CLE nonstop service work on a seasonal, less-than-daily basis, and NK is able to make MSP-DTW nonstop service work. However, there is significantly less nonstop competition on MSP-CVG, MSP-CLE, and MSP-DTW than on MSP-CHI as DL is the only other carrier serving CVG, CLE, and DTW nonstop from MSP. CVG, CLE, and DTW are also further from MSP than DTW is. F9 also has much stronger brand recognition in Ohio and Northern Kentucky than SY does, and NK also has much stronger brand recognition in the DTW market than SY does.

I am unsure if SY will be successful on MSP-ORD, especially with both F9 and NK dropping MSP-ORD nonstop service.
 
User avatar
ilive4planes
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue May 31, 2016 6:09 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:53 pm

Hopefully they will continue to be aggressive and add MKE,IND and CVG
 
lavalampluva
Posts: 1363
Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:33 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:57 pm

They are going to be needing more aircraft to do this. I wonder if they will keep their contract with HV. I know that SY is gearing towards purchasing aircraft.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
TheKennady2
Posts: 118
Joined: Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:09 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:58 pm

jplatts wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
SY tried a flight to MDW out of MSP before and it failed miserably. How will ORD work better this time?


F9 and NK both tried MSP-ORD nonstop service, and both of these carriers did drop MSP-ORD nonstop service. F9 has also dropped other routes out of ORD that were in competition with WN nonstop routes out of MDW, NK nonstop routes out of ORD, and AS nonstop routes out of ORD.

F9 is been able to make MSP-CVG and MSP-CLE nonstop service work on a seasonal, less-than-daily basis, and NK is able to make MSP-DTW nonstop service work. However, there is significantly less nonstop competition on MSP-CVG, MSP-CLE, and MSP-DTW than on MSP-CHI as DL is the only other carrier serving CVG, CLE, and DTW nonstop from MSP. CVG, CLE, and DTW are also further from MSP than DTW is. F9 also has much stronger brand recognition in Ohio and Northern Kentucky than SY does, and NK also has much stronger brand recognition in the DTW market than SY does.

I am unsure if SY will be successful on MSP-ORD, especially with both F9 and NK dropping MSP-ORD nonstop service.


Yea but i guess SY feels Chicago is to big of a Market to Ignore, and MSP-ORD is large but well covered. Maybe 2 to 3 daily flights SY can undercut and target price conscious passengers and now that NK dropped ORD-MSP there could be room for SY. With a flyer base at MSP im sure just on O&D SY could fill a couple planes a day.
 
EvanWSFO
Posts: 1126
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:22 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:04 pm

Blerg wrote:
Looking at that map, I can't fail to notice that there is a lot of empty space in the south-east. What destinations and from which hubs are the most likely to be added in the future?

.
http://sy.fltmaps.com/en
I have been on this site 15 years. A unrecoverable email account led me to starting over. Those of you who call me a rookie, you may stop ok?
 
User avatar
enilria
Posts: 9497
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:15 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:20 pm

shadez wrote:
Image

STL-PDX and PVD-BNA seem the most risky. WN is very strong in PVD and BNA. I don't see SY getting enough traction and I'd think WN is likely to go for the block. Of course, WN doesn't move super-fast which helps. STL-PDX I think is probably pretty hard to make work without any feed and with WN in the market. I think I'll file that as one of those AS-type markets that SY tends to be drawn to. I'll assume it is Summer only, which obviously makes a lot more sense. If they flew that in Winter against WN it would be very poor.

So, LAS-SJD/PVR. I'm on the fence about those. I've thought about those before. I think the question is what is the make-up of the traffic. If it's is nearly all Americans then I think they will be fine. I suspect it isn't. Even though PVR and SJD are resorts, Mexicans love LAS which makes me think the traffic is still heavily weighted toward Mexican-residing passengers. At some point I saw some data on whoever flew CUN-LAS at the time. It was a U.S. carrier. I wondered what the mix would be. It was like 80% Mexicans to my surprise. I think LAS residents tend to vacation in Hawaii and Colorado, not so much Mexico. SY will struggle to sell anything on the South point-of-sale. So, I think those are risky, but it really is a gamble on that traffic mix. If it succeeds WN will add those routes which is another downer. I know for a fact they were not in them because of the same point-of-sale concern. The rest of the routes seem like pretty low-risk choices.
 
hiflyeras
Posts: 2011
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:48 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:32 pm

Getting a little big for their britches? I can't see how they support this expansion without low frequency. And offering a flight two or three days a week isn't a big threat to anyone else so they may just be ignored by the majors. It's a big gamble for them...are they trying to poke some bears to then be acquired?
 
stlgph
Posts: 10970
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:19 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:37 pm

if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
 
RL757PVD
Posts: 3017
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 1999 2:47 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:37 pm

enilria wrote:
shadez wrote:
Image

WN is very strong in PVD and BNA. I don't see SY getting enough traction and I'd think WN is likely to go for the block. .


When you take away Florida, WN has been pretty weak at PVD as they attempt to push the westbound demand to BOS to prop up their underperforming routes there. WN even lets F9 come into PVD-DEN uncontested. BNA may be a tough market becuase of the 3-way fight at BOS, whereas PVD-LAS on SY might be a better bet since WN wont touch it and G4 isn't there yet crew wise.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
 
jplatts
Posts: 2685
Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:42 pm

Re: Sun Country Expands in BNA/Announces SAT

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:58 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
I expect Southwest to respond to this in the Nashville market.


Why? There's no evidence that WN cares about SY - in BNA or elsewhere - a bit. Certainly they have pretty much ignored SY's entrance into BNA-MSP.


WN has already announced plans to increase BNA-MSP to 2 daily nonstops starting in June 2019, but WN is also going to be discontinuing ATL-MSP nonstop service in June 2019. WN is certainly not ignoring the BNA market since WN is also increasing nonstop service to BOS, DAL, DTW, LAS, SAN, and STL from BNA.
 
User avatar
SteveXC500
Posts: 505
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:38 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:04 pm

TheKennady2 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
SY tried a flight to MDW out of MSP before and it failed miserably. How will ORD work better this time?


F9 and NK both tried MSP-ORD nonstop service, and both of these carriers did drop MSP-ORD nonstop service. F9 has also dropped other routes out of ORD that were in competition with WN nonstop routes out of MDW, NK nonstop routes out of ORD, and AS nonstop routes out of ORD.

F9 is been able to make MSP-CVG and MSP-CLE nonstop service work on a seasonal, less-than-daily basis, and NK is able to make MSP-DTW nonstop service work. However, there is significantly less nonstop competition on MSP-CVG, MSP-CLE, and MSP-DTW than on MSP-CHI as DL is the only other carrier serving CVG, CLE, and DTW nonstop from MSP. CVG, CLE, and DTW are also further from MSP than DTW is. F9 also has much stronger brand recognition in Ohio and Northern Kentucky than SY does, and NK also has much stronger brand recognition in the DTW market than SY does.

I am unsure if SY will be successful on MSP-ORD, especially with both F9 and NK dropping MSP-ORD nonstop service.


Yea but i guess SY feels Chicago is to big of a Market to Ignore, and MSP-ORD is large but well covered. Maybe 2 to 3 daily flights SY can undercut and target price conscious passengers and now that NK dropped ORD-MSP there could be room for SY. With a flyer base at MSP im sure just on O&D SY could fill a couple planes a day.


Except they are only flying ONE flight daily to ORD from MSP.
 
MIflyer12
Posts: 5434
Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:58 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:06 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Sun Country is changing to a proven model. Customer show they book with their wallets. The legacies don't help as the new seats on UA, AA, and DL are no better and they charge for baggage and seat assignments also.


AA/DL/UA have frequency, network, and fleet size going for them. SY has none of that. It can offer cheap. Can it be sustainably cheaper than NK, F9 and Allegiant? I doubt it.
 
stlgph
Posts: 10970
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:19 pm

Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:10 pm

They can offer more than cheap.

Show up on time, smile, don't lose bags and make an effort to get people from Point A to Point B on time and they'll be fine.
if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
 
Blerg
Posts: 2050
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:42 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:12 pm

From the article:

'Private equity firms generally don’t retain assets for long, and Bricker said he knows Apollo has an exit strategy. It may include an initial public offering, or a sale.

“They’re not going to be here in 10 years,” Bricker said. “Five years is kind of up in the air.”'

I wonder who they might sell it to. I hope not another airline as it would spell the end of Sun Country as we know it today.
 
klakzky123
Posts: 651
Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:05 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:16 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
TheKennady2 wrote:
jplatts wrote:

F9 and NK both tried MSP-ORD nonstop service, and both of these carriers did drop MSP-ORD nonstop service. F9 has also dropped other routes out of ORD that were in competition with WN nonstop routes out of MDW, NK nonstop routes out of ORD, and AS nonstop routes out of ORD.

F9 is been able to make MSP-CVG and MSP-CLE nonstop service work on a seasonal, less-than-daily basis, and NK is able to make MSP-DTW nonstop service work. However, there is significantly less nonstop competition on MSP-CVG, MSP-CLE, and MSP-DTW than on MSP-CHI as DL is the only other carrier serving CVG, CLE, and DTW nonstop from MSP. CVG, CLE, and DTW are also further from MSP than DTW is. F9 also has much stronger brand recognition in Ohio and Northern Kentucky than SY does, and NK also has much stronger brand recognition in the DTW market than SY does.

I am unsure if SY will be successful on MSP-ORD, especially with both F9 and NK dropping MSP-ORD nonstop service.


Yea but i guess SY feels Chicago is to big of a Market to Ignore, and MSP-ORD is large but well covered. Maybe 2 to 3 daily flights SY can undercut and target price conscious passengers and now that NK dropped ORD-MSP there could be room for SY. With a flyer base at MSP im sure just on O&D SY could fill a couple planes a day.


Except they are only flying ONE flight daily to ORD from MSP.


NK did something like this for a while. The issue at the time was that AA agressively price matched and sent ORD yields down the drain. Great for customers as $100 R/T fares were somewhat common but it clearly wasn't sustainable. Now that NK left, yields have greatly increased. $100 fares are no longer a thing on MSP-ORD/MDW so there is room for an LCC. I guess it depends on whether the others try and match SY. But the current yields clearly warrant an LCC.
 
User avatar
EA CO AS
Posts: 15375
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:54 am

Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:19 pm

Ben, Ben, Ben....what the hell are you doing? Good luck my friend, you're going to need it...
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan

Comments made here are my own and are not intended to represent the official position of Alaska Air Group
 
klakzky123
Posts: 651
Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:05 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:22 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
Getting a little big for their britches? I can't see how they support this expansion without low frequency. And offering a flight two or three days a week isn't a big threat to anyone else so they may just be ignored by the majors. It's a big gamble for them...are they trying to poke some bears to then be acquired?


Their whole business has been predicated on being ignored by Delta. DL could have easily tanked yields on winter leisure routes from MSP and wiped out SY. So this is just a continuation of that. As long as they are just siphoning off lower yielding traffic, DL will continue to ignore them.
 
User avatar
enilria
Posts: 9497
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:15 pm

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:28 pm

Blerg wrote:
From the article:

'Private equity firms generally don’t retain assets for long, and Bricker said he knows Apollo has an exit strategy. It may include an initial public offering, or a sale.

“They’re not going to be here in 10 years,” Bricker said. “Five years is kind of up in the air.”'

I wonder who they might sell it to. I hope not another airline as it would spell the end of Sun Country as we know it today.

Well, this is just like F9. You don't make sale money without an IPO. Sure, they can sell to another airline, but they won't get "real" money that way.

a) Their best option is to show growth and earnings and build a story it can continue which will cause Wall Street to value/overvalue them and then IPO and make a butt-ton of money. After that they will become merger fodder at the high price Wall Street says they are worth. They might be worth $250-300+ million this way. Maybe more if they have a couple of years of arrows going the right way. Even though I hate mergers, I can imagine a situation where SY patches the network hole in an AS-B6 merger, making it ultimately a 3-way merger. I think AS-B6 would have to merge first, but at this point I'll be surprised if we get through 2019 without that being announced.

b) If they sell to another airline without IPO-ing they will be valued based upon two things: assets (they have almost none) and how much it's worth to kill them (only really valuable to Delta who would hopefully be blocked by DOJ from bidding). They would be lucky to get $25-50 million this way. So this won't happen unless they start to lose money and a) becomes impossible.
 
User avatar
MSPSXMFLIER
Posts: 235
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:37 am

Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:29 pm

I'm puzzled why SY is going to attempt seasonal flights on the heavily flown route between MSP-ORD. In 2013, SY flew seasonal flights between MSP-MDW for two years before being chased off that route by both NK and WN. NK was selling one way tickets for $35 at the time and both NK and WN had much greater flight frequency on that route. While SY has grown its fleet, only slightly, do they really think that DL and others are going to sit pat and not respond?
 
slcdeltarumd11
Posts: 4367
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:30 am

Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:31 pm

LAS-ANC is interesting to me. I could see that being a good route for a ULCC. Very interested to see how that goes.
 
rainaviation
Topic Author
Posts: 188
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:43 pm

Minneapolis/St. Paul...

Chicago O’Hare: Begins April 19 with four weekly flights. Goes to daily service on May 27.

Newark Liberty: Begins April 11 with four weekly flights. Goes to daily service on April 29.

Philadelphia: Begins April 18 with four weekly flights. Goes to daily service on June 3.

Providence, Rhode Island: Begins April 8 with four weekly flights.

Sacramento, California: Begins May 23 with four weekly flights.

St. Louis: Begins June 13 with four weekly flights.

San Antonio: Begins May 23 with four weekly flights. Goes to daily service on April 29.

Washington Dulles: Begins April 25 with four weekly flights. Goes to daily service on June 10.

Nashville...

Los Angeles: Begins April 8 with four weekly flights.

Portland, Oregon: Begins May 2 with two weekly flights. Goes to four weekly flights on June 6.

Providence, Rhode Island: Begins April 8 with four weekly flights.

Dallas/Fort Worth...

Montego Bay, Jamaica: Begins May 24 with two weekly flights.

St. Kitts and Nevis: Saturday-only service begins May 25.

Previously announced nonstop service to Phoenix and Palm Springs, California, begins Feb. 6.

Las Vegas...

Anchorage, Alaska: Begins May 18 with two weekly flights. Goes to four weekly flights on June 5.

Cabo San Lucas/Los Cabos, Mexico: Begins June 6 with two weekly flights.

Puerto Vallarta, Mexico: Begins June 7 with two weekly flights.

Portland, Oregon...

Nashville: Begins May 2 with two weekly flights. Goes to four weekly flights on June 7.

St. Louis: Begins June 7 with two weekly flights.

San Antonio: Begins June 5 with four weekly flights.

San Francisco...

Honolulu: Begins May 18 with three weekly flights. Goes to four weekly flights on June 6.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos