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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:44 pm

MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
I'm puzzled why SY is going to attempt seasonal flights on the heavily flown route between MSP-ORD. In 2013, SY flew seasonal flights between MSP-MDW for two years before being chased off that route by both NK and WN. NK was selling one way tickets for $35 at the time and both NK and WN had much greater flight frequency on that route. While SY has grown its fleet, only slightly, do they really think that DL and others are going to sit pat and not respond?


Maybe they see NK and F9 leaving the market as an opportunity to provide the service. It seems odd for an MSP based airline to not serve Chicago from MSP, does it not?
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:49 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
Ben, Ben, Ben....what the hell are you doing? Good luck my friend, you're going to need it...

All the MSP adds are pretty typical SY stuff. STL-PDX is a little risky. The BNA stuff is risky, but I'm suspecting they see BNA as a possible second major focus point and they are willing to go out on a limb to build that. I think LAS-Mexico is risky, but it's a new market no U.S. carrier is doing so they get points for investing in R&D. DFW/HNL/ANC are typical pure leisure LCC stuff. If you compare it to an F9 mass route announcement, it's actually pretty pedestrian stuff. If it were F9, it would be SMF-PVD on alternating Mondays we'd be talking about.

MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
I'm puzzled why SY is going to attempt seasonal flights on the heavily flown route between MSP-ORD.

I think that unlike F9, SY sees themselves as engendering passenger loyalty. MSP-ORD is a route you fly when you think you have loyal passengers in MSP and you need to cover their travel needs to Chicago. That also seems to be what they are doing in BNA. I'm not sure I agree a ULCC benefits from breadth of product when the schedule is competitively infrequent. If feels like a remnant of the pre-ULCC strategy, but there are some places NK has established a base of repeat customers and F9 has always had Denver, although in both cases it is hard to find a person who doesn't trash talk NK and F9. The only person I've ever talked to that has expressed any kind of loyalty to F9/NK was a 70 year old retiree who said "I just need to see my kids, it needs to be cheap, and I don't care when it gets there". I don't think that market is very big, but maybe I'm wrong.

On another note, I was watching an old MST3K episode on Roku and they made a joke or two referencing Sun Country. Something like "they should just catch a flight to Florida on Sun Country". Obviously it was made in the MSP area, but it's interesting as the whole rest of world probably doesn't understand the reference and definitely didn't 20 years ago.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:57 pm

Blerg wrote:
I wonder who they might sell it to. I hope not another airline as it would spell the end of Sun Country as we know it today.


That ship sailed long ago...sad because they were a really nice airline back in the day.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:21 pm

Are all of these flights seasonal? Or are some year round?
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:22 pm

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San Francisco...
Honolulu: Begins May 18 with three weekly flights. Goes to four weekly flights on June 6.


The overall Bay Area-Hawaii market is getting competitive.

Sun Country and Southwest will add to existing Hawaii flights on Alaska, Hawaiian, United along with Delta's seasonal flights.

Fares may drop.
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:25 pm

rainaviation wrote:
MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
I'm puzzled why SY is going to attempt seasonal flights on the heavily flown route between MSP-ORD. In 2013, SY flew seasonal flights between MSP-MDW for two years before being chased off that route by both NK and WN. NK was selling one way tickets for $35 at the time and both NK and WN had much greater flight frequency on that route. While SY has grown its fleet, only slightly, do they really think that DL and others are going to sit pat and not respond?


Maybe they see NK and F9 leaving the market as an opportunity to provide the service. It seems odd for an MSP based airline to not serve Chicago from MSP, does it not?


Wow, did I miss some news about F9 and NK? If they are pulling out, then perhaps a bit more breathing room would become available for SY? Yes, it would be odd for that, but MSP-ORD is a heavily traveled route and just talking about DL and WN serving each airport, that is a lot of seats and flight frequencies. SY served each Chicago airport once before and pulled out because they weren't cutting it.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:31 pm

enilria wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
Ben, Ben, Ben....what the hell are you doing? Good luck my friend, you're going to need it...

All the MSP adds are pretty typical SY stuff. STL-PDX is a little risky. The BNA stuff is risky, but I'm suspecting they see BNA as a possible second major focus point and they are willing to go out on a limb to build that. I think LAS-Mexico is risky, but it's a new market no U.S. carrier is doing so they get points for investing in R&D. DFW/HNL/ANC are typical pure leisure LCC stuff. If you compare it to an F9 mass route announcement, it's actually pretty pedestrian stuff. If it were F9, it would be SMF-PVD on alternating Mondays we'd be talking about.

MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
I'm puzzled why SY is going to attempt seasonal flights on the heavily flown route between MSP-ORD.

I think that unlike F9, SY sees themselves as engendering passenger loyalty. MSP-ORD is a route you fly when you think you have loyal passengers in MSP and you need to cover their travel needs to Chicago. That also seems to be what they are doing in BNA. I'm not sure I agree a ULCC benefits from breadth of product when the schedule is competitively infrequent. If feels like a remnant of the pre-ULCC strategy, but there are some places NK has established a base of repeat customers and F9 has always had Denver, although in both cases it is hard to find a person who doesn't trash talk NK and F9. The only person I've ever talked to that has expressed any kind of loyalty to F9/NK was a 70 year old retiree who said "I just need to see my kids, it needs to be cheap, and I don't care when it gets there". I don't think that market is very big, but maybe I'm wrong.

On another note, I was watching an old MST3K episode on Roku and they made a joke or two referencing Sun Country. Something like "they should just catch a flight to Florida on Sun Country". Obviously it was made in the MSP area, but it's interesting as the whole rest of world probably doesn't understand the reference and definitely didn't 20 years ago.


Your points raised are valid. Maybe Jude Bricker is simply pulling some plays from his former Allegiant playbook that worked then and which might work for SY now?

As for MST3K, yes, you pretty much have to be a Minnesotan to understand any reference involving Sun Country.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:49 pm

MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
I'm puzzled why SY is going to attempt seasonal flights on the heavily flown route between MSP-ORD. In 2013, SY flew seasonal flights between MSP-MDW for two years before being chased off that route by both NK and WN. NK was selling one way tickets for $35 at the time and both NK and WN had much greater flight frequency on that route. While SY has grown its fleet, only slightly, do they really think that DL and others are going to sit pat and not respond?


SY im sure wont get much attention flying 1 daily flight MSP-ORD, NK does not fly it anymore so summer travelers looking for a cheap flight will have another option, the business market likely wont chose SY so i dont think it will hurt any of the big carriers.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:53 pm

Where are they getting the frames for this?
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:56 pm

That's 9 n/s from BNA on SY. Considering a year ago it was ZERO.
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:58 pm

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Where are they getting the frames for this?

They have been buying their own aircraft. I'm curious if they are going to keep leasing them from HV.
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:08 pm

N292UX wrote:
Are all of these flights seasonal? Or are some year round?


Their website says all seasonal but I think they will probably move some of them to year round if they succeed.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:12 pm

MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
Wow, did I miss some news about F9 and NK? If they are pulling out, then perhaps a bit more breathing room would become available for SY? Yes, it would be odd for that, but MSP-ORD is a heavily traveled route and just talking about DL and WN serving each airport, that is a lot of seats and flight frequencies. SY served each Chicago airport once before and pulled out because they weren't cutting it.


Yep, F9 and NK are no longer serving this market! That is why I think they may succeed this time. Then again, as someone that has lived in the MSP area, most people on a budget just drive to Chicago and don't fly.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:23 pm

rainaviation wrote:
MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
Wow, did I miss some news about F9 and NK? If they are pulling out, then perhaps a bit more breathing room would become available for SY? Yes, it would be odd for that, but MSP-ORD is a heavily traveled route and just talking about DL and WN serving each airport, that is a lot of seats and flight frequencies. SY served each Chicago airport once before and pulled out because they weren't cutting it.


Yep, F9 and NK are no longer serving this market! That is why I think they may succeed this time. Then again, as someone that has lived in the MSP area, most people on a budget just drive to Chicago and don't fly.


When NK was offering $100 R/T, flying was pretty nice. And AA used to match them (or come really close) so they were an option as well. There's room for an LCC on MSP-Chicago. The yields are really good now that NK and F9 are gone.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:24 pm

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EMBQA wrote:
A Sun Country question... We are flying them for the first time next month from BNA-MIA and looking at Seat Guru, Row 1 A-C does not have a bulkhead in front of the seats. Are you really staring at the door and FA Seat..? Looks like you guys jumped the gun.. BNA was going to announce at 0900CST


That map is outdated. They are all the economy now.


Interesting as their own website seat maps when we picked seats showed and sold them as 1st Class Seats and we booked that way. I guess we'll find out
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:34 pm

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Where are they getting the frames for this?


SY has 30 jets including 3 from HV. 3 of 4 737-700 are leaving in 2019. 3 leave for the summer you add 6 you gain 3. 33 at the end of 2019, plus IF they lease jets from HV you could have a gain of 3 for 36

You may have forgotten SY flies Seasonal service that ends in April. Most new services starts a week after winter season ends
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:35 pm

rainaviation wrote:
MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
Wow, did I miss some news about F9 and NK? If they are pulling out, then perhaps a bit more breathing room would become available for SY? Yes, it would be odd for that, but MSP-ORD is a heavily traveled route and just talking about DL and WN serving each airport, that is a lot of seats and flight frequencies. SY served each Chicago airport once before and pulled out because they weren't cutting it.


Yep, F9 and NK are no longer serving this market! That is why I think they may succeed this time. Then again, as someone that has lived in the MSP area, most people on a budget just drive to Chicago and don't fly.


Thanks, I wasn't aware of this change. Another option is to take Megabus....provided you really want an experience you'll most likely never forget, lol. I say this based on stories, pics and videos from friends who have done just that. Once and done!
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:51 pm

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SY tried a flight to MDW out of MSP before and it failed miserably. How will ORD work better this time?

They’ve also tried ORD before as well. Late 90s early 2000s I think, and this was scheduled service to MSP not just the charter flying.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:41 pm

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Interesting as their own website seat maps when we picked seats showed and sold them as 1st Class Seats and we booked that way. I guess we'll find out


No, you just did not pay attention enough. They stopped selling their First Class fares way back when they released their November/December schedules. Does your seat map still only show 2 seat options for the first three rows? If it does, at this point then it is a 737-700 which they are not re-configuring as they are retiring them this year.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:44 pm

Sun Country CEO says that they will buy 5 planes in 2019, and these additions are NOT contingent on these planes. Possibly more additions or frequencies being increased?

http://www.startribune.com/sun-country- ... 504048002/
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:55 pm

rainaviation wrote:
EMBQA wrote:

Interesting as their own website seat maps when we picked seats showed and sold them as 1st Class Seats and we booked that way. I guess we'll find out


No, you just did not pay attention enough. They stopped selling their First Class fares way back when they released their November/December schedules. Does your seat map still only show 2 seat options for the first three rows? If it does, at this point then it is a 737-700 which they are not re-configuring as they are retiring them this year.


Ah... I DID and DO pay attention. It was 2-2 for the first 3 rows when we booked two weeks ago....
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:59 pm

EMBQA wrote:
rainaviation wrote:
EMBQA wrote:
A Sun Country question... We are flying them for the first time next month from BNA-MIA and looking at Seat Guru, Row 1 A-C does not have a bulkhead in front of the seats. Are you really staring at the door and FA Seat..? Looks like you guys jumped the gun.. BNA was going to announce at 0900CST


That map is outdated. They are all the economy now.


Interesting as their own website seat maps when we picked seats showed and sold them as 1st Class Seats and we booked that way. I guess we'll find out

There have been a ton of complaints about this - SY is still selling First Class seats, but often times that's not what you get. The service has been stripped down, and often times they are just blocking the middle seat and calling this "First class.."
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:28 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
EMBQA wrote:
rainaviation wrote:

That map is outdated. They are all the economy now.


Interesting as their own website seat maps when we picked seats showed and sold them as 1st Class Seats and we booked that way. I guess we'll find out

There have been a ton of complaints about this - SY is still selling First Class seats, but often times that's not what you get. The service has been stripped down, and often times they are just blocking the middle seat and calling this "First class.."


Yes and no. They are not calling it first class. but the seat selection map shows 2 x 2, which is Euro-F with middle blocked (but not announced).... which is pretty amazing for the $30 or $40 up-charge over the row directly behind . I just got off two SY flights with this new seating. I'm thinking they are experimenting.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:45 pm

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SY tried a flight to MDW out of MSP before and it failed miserably. How will ORD work better this time?


I wonder the same, although I am happy with our son attending college now in Chicago.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:48 pm

MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
rainaviation wrote:
MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
Wow, did I miss some news about F9 and NK? If they are pulling out, then perhaps a bit more breathing room would become available for SY? Yes, it would be odd for that, but MSP-ORD is a heavily traveled route and just talking about DL and WN serving each airport, that is a lot of seats and flight frequencies. SY served each Chicago airport once before and pulled out because they weren't cutting it.


Yep, F9 and NK are no longer serving this market! That is why I think they may succeed this time. Then again, as someone that has lived in the MSP area, most people on a budget just drive to Chicago and don't fly.


Thanks, I wasn't aware of this change. Another option is to take Megabus....provided you really want an experience you'll most likely never forget, lol. I say this based on stories, pics and videos from friends who have done just that. Once and done!


Stay away from Megabus, lots of drug trafficking between Chicago and Minneapolis on there. Unfortunately same goes for Amtrak although not to the same degree.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:39 pm

SUNCTRY738 wrote:
MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
rainaviation wrote:

Yep, F9 and NK are no longer serving this market! That is why I think they may succeed this time. Then again, as someone that has lived in the MSP area, most people on a budget just drive to Chicago and don't fly.


Thanks, I wasn't aware of this change. Another option is to take Megabus....provided you really want an experience you'll most likely never forget, lol. I say this based on stories, pics and videos from friends who have done just that. Once and done!


Stay away from Megabus, lots of drug trafficking between Chicago and Minneapolis on there. Unfortunately same goes for Amtrak although not to the same degree.


Yup, Megabus has quite the bad reputation. Hearing about Amtrak is a surprise, however.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:42 pm

EMBQA wrote:
rainaviation wrote:
EMBQA wrote:

Interesting as their own website seat maps when we picked seats showed and sold them as 1st Class Seats and we booked that way. I guess we'll find out


No, you just did not pay attention enough. They stopped selling their First Class fares way back when they released their November/December schedules. Does your seat map still only show 2 seat options for the first three rows? If it does, at this point then it is a 737-700 which they are not re-configuring as they are retiring them this year.


Ah... I DID and DO pay attention. It was 2-2 for the first 3 rows when we booked two weeks ago....


Ok :D Yeah then it is probably one of their 737-700's
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:45 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
There have been a ton of complaints about this - SY is still selling First Class seats, but often times that's not what you get. The service has been stripped down, and often times they are just blocking the middle seat and calling this "First class.."


They aren't selling First Class seats anymore; they are in a transition period and some planes have no first class with 183 seats and there are a few still out there that they still have to re-configure into 183 seats.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:41 am

MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
SUNCTRY738 wrote:
MSPSXMFLIER wrote:

Thanks, I wasn't aware of this change. Another option is to take Megabus....provided you really want an experience you'll most likely never forget, lol. I say this based on stories, pics and videos from friends who have done just that. Once and done!


Stay away from Megabus, lots of drug trafficking between Chicago and Minneapolis on there. Unfortunately same goes for Amtrak although not to the same degree.


Yup, Megabus has quite the bad reputation. Hearing about Amtrak is a surprise, however.


The mules know there is no security screening for Amtrak. And if they get nervous as they draw close to the destination they pull the emergency brake stop and jump before the train reaches the station.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:53 am

Nice summer expansion for SY. I see a lot of very logical adds, particularly from MSP. MSP-ORD is nice to see as MSP-CHI has gotten very expensive since NK left and the legacies quit fighting for it. About time SY was not just a winter airline.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:06 am

FATFlyer wrote:
rainaviation wrote:
San Francisco...
Honolulu: Begins May 18 with three weekly flights. Goes to four weekly flights on June 6.


The overall Bay Area-Hawaii market is getting competitive.

Sun Country and Southwest will add to existing Hawaii flights on Alaska, Hawaiian, United along with Delta's seasonal flights.

Fares may drop.


It is interesting SY chose SFO rather than OAK or SJC as AS originally did like AQ and TZ before them did and as WN plans to do. I wonder if they feel they are filling a niche in being a lower cost option to the full service carriers currently on the route.

Are their 73Gs ETOPS certified? I want to say yes as I believe I've seen one in OGG before (charter). But one would think they would be a shoe in for a SNA-HNL flight which would be less competitive than SFO or LAX.

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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:13 am

77H wrote:
FATFlyer wrote:
rainaviation wrote:
San Francisco...
Honolulu: Begins May 18 with three weekly flights. Goes to four weekly flights on June 6.


The overall Bay Area-Hawaii market is getting competitive.

Sun Country and Southwest will add to existing Hawaii flights on Alaska, Hawaiian, United along with Delta's seasonal flights.

Fares may drop.


It is interesting SY chose SFO rather than OAK or SJC as AS originally did like AQ and TZ before them did and as WN plans to do. I wonder if they feel they are filling a niche in being a lower cost option to the full service carriers currently on the route.

Are their 73Gs ETOPS certified? I want to say yes as I believe I've seen one in OGG before (charter). But one would think they would be a shoe in for a SNA-HNL flight which would be less competitive than SFO or LAX.

77H


Yes, SY has a long established ETOPS program.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:10 am

tys777 wrote:
77H wrote:
FATFlyer wrote:

The overall Bay Area-Hawaii market is getting competitive.

Sun Country and Southwest will add to existing Hawaii flights on Alaska, Hawaiian, United along with Delta's seasonal flights.

Fares may drop.


It is interesting SY chose SFO rather than OAK or SJC as AS originally did like AQ and TZ before them did and as WN plans to do. I wonder if they feel they are filling a niche in being a lower cost option to the full service carriers currently on the route.

Are their 73Gs ETOPS certified? I want to say yes as I believe I've seen one in OGG before (charter). But one would think they would be a shoe in for a SNA-HNL flight which would be less competitive than SFO or LAX.

77H


Yes, SY has a long established ETOPS program.


Thanks. I understand that SY the company has an established program. But each individual airplane needs to be ETOPS certified. AS has an established ETOPS program yet none of their 73Gs are ETOPS certified.

If their 73Gs are indeed certified I’m surprised SNA-Hawaii wasn’t considered as they’d have no competition relative to PDX/SFO and LAX which all have 3+ airlines operating the route depending on the year.

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Re: Sun Country announces massive Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:49 am

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I can't fail to notice that there is a lot of empty space in the south-east. What destinations and from which hubs are the most likely to be added in the future?

Notably absent is Florida/MSY from PDX... the latter of which has a noticeable lack of LoCo service to either.

Wouldn't be surprised if that's a round2.
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:28 pm

SY used to serve HOU nonstop from MSP 12 years ago, and both SY and WN could add MSP-HOU nonstop service. Will SY ever re-enter HOU anytime soon?
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:59 pm

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AT JFK?

There seems to be a dispute of information on airliners. It looks like they are leaving this week.

Some have insisted that they are not.

For a station served for decades it all seems very odd.

Does anyone have more credible info on this?

And, no, JFK is not seasonal...never has been and there is no resumption date
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:07 pm

DFW-St Kitts is odd. if that was a viable route AA would have started that years ago. I guess that goes into the R&D department.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:13 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AT JFK?

There seems to be a dispute of information on airliners. It looks like they are leaving this week.

Some have insisted that they are not.

For a station served for decades it all seems very odd.

Does anyone have more credible info on this?

And, no, JFK is not seasonal...never has been and there is no resumption date

I think someone asked Sun Country on twitter about this, and they confirmed that they are swapping out JFK for EWR.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:17 pm

I can see some of these "Seasonal" flights being extended if they are successful.
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:28 pm

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DFW-St Kitts is odd. if that was a viable route AA would have started that years ago. I guess that goes into the R&D department.

That kind of odd means the hotel association is writing a check I'd bet. So, not that odd.
FA9295 wrote:
I think someone asked Sun Country on twitter about this, and they confirmed that they are swapping out JFK for EWR.

I wonder what happened with the JFK slot/s? Also EWR is not that easy to get into.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:46 pm

Are the fees at EWR cheaper than JFK? Because starting at a new airport seems more expensive than just staying at JFK. I have asked on twitter and will report when I see a response and share it...
 
klakzky123
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:53 pm

rainaviation wrote:
Are the fees at EWR cheaper than JFK? Because starting at a new airport seems more expensive than just staying at JFK. I have asked on twitter and will report when I see a response and share it...


I think EWR is actually a little more expensive (as far as enplanemnent fees go). But I'm sure SY can make some decent money selling its JFK slots so they should still come out ahead.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:29 pm

As far as JFK, IIRC they have had to wait for a gate to open in the afternoon?? . Delta ground handles them ??
"Don't believe it unless its parked on the ramp, or printed in the schedule...SUBJECT TO CHANGE"

I'm a SUNDUCK......Worked for RC & SY @ MSP
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:25 pm

Thought this was interesting... All of the new routes and competitors (if any) on each route (including other airports in the market ie JFK and EWR and LGA)...

MSP-IAD: Delta, United, Spirit Southwest, American
*MSP-PVD:
MSP-EWR: Delta, United, American
MSP-ORD: Delta, Southwest, United, American
MSP-PHL: American, Delta, Frontier (to Trenton)
MSP-STL: Delta, Southwest
MSP-SMF: Delta
MSP-SAT: Delta
*BNA-PDX:
BNA-LAX: American, Delta, Southwest
*BNA-PVD:
DFW-MBJ: American
*DFW-SKB:
*PDX-SAT:
PDX-STL: Southwest
*LAS-ANC:
LAS-SJD: Frontier
*LAS-PVR:
SFO-HNL: Alaska, United, Hawaiian, TBA Southwest

Those marked with * are a monopoly for SY
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:30 am

FA9295 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AT JFK?

There seems to be a dispute of information on airliners. It looks like they are leaving this week.

Some have insisted that they are not.

For a station served for decades it all seems very odd.

Does anyone have more credible info on this?

And, no, JFK is not seasonal...never has been and there is no resumption date

I think someone asked Sun Country on twitter about this, and they confirmed that they are swapping out JFK for EWR.


I hope not. I've been wanting to try Sun Country for years. I got hopeful when they listed those oddball JFK-LAS flights that they might make more adds at JFK. I don't want to see them go to EWR.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:53 am

jfklganyc wrote:
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AT JFK?

There seems to be a dispute of information on airliners. It looks like they are leaving this week.

Some have insisted that they are not.

For a station served for decades it all seems very odd.

Does anyone have more credible info on this?

And, no, JFK is not seasonal...never has been and there is no resumption date


Here's their updated route map from their website. No longer shows JFK

https://www.suncountry.com/Explore/Trav ... tions.html
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:18 am

enilria wrote:
I wonder what happened with the JFK slot/s? Also EWR is not that easy to get into.


spinkid wrote:
I hope not. I've been wanting to try Sun Country for years. I got hopeful when they listed those oddball JFK-LAS flights that they might make more adds at JFK. I don't want to see them go to EWR.

Here's that tweet that I was referring to earlier: https://twitter.com/SunCountryAir/statu ... 7314878464

There seems to be a lot of people unhappy with the JFK/EWR swap.

https://twitter.com/SunCountryAir/statu ... 1153029120
https://twitter.com/SunCountryAir/statu ... 4139970560
https://twitter.com/SunCountryAir/statu ... 9501996032
https://twitter.com/SunCountryAir/statu ... 1647752192
https://twitter.com/SunCountryAir/statu ... 4579398658

...and SY's replies to these tweets are the same exact response, verbatim. Found that to be kind of funny.

I almost wonder if they're leaving JFK because Delta would have eventually kicked them out of Terminal 4.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:43 am

Sun Country was supposed to also start operations in Fargo but, Delta decided to pull a power move after they found out about the possible addition and upgrade their two launches to a 757-200 and eventually a 757-300 and a 717 forcing Sun Country to cease a possible operation at Fargo. Just thought I'd post this here as an FYI of Delta noticing this expansion.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:18 am

Grandforks12 wrote:
Sun Country was supposed to also start operations in Fargo but, Delta decided to pull a power move after they found out about the possible addition and upgrade their two launches to a 757-200 and eventually a 757-300 and a 717 forcing Sun Country to cease a possible operation at Fargo. Just thought I'd post this here as an FYI of Delta noticing this expansion.


SY was never going to add FAR-MSP. Also, DL has never operated a 757 between MSP and FAR. The largest plane on this route is an occasional 737-900ER.
 
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Re: Sun Country announces Summer Expansion

Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:33 am

rainaviation wrote:
Grandforks12 wrote:
Sun Country was supposed to also start operations in Fargo but, Delta decided to pull a power move after they found out about the possible addition and upgrade their two launches to a 757-200 and eventually a 757-300 and a 717 forcing Sun Country to cease a possible operation at Fargo. Just thought I'd post this here as an FYI of Delta noticing this expansion.


SY was never going to add FAR-MSP. Also, DL has never operated a 757 between MSP and FAR. The largest plane on this route is an occasional 737-900ER.

Huh?
https://flightaware.com/live/findflight ... ation=KMSP

took me 15 seconds to find. why are you trying to disprove someone with misrepresentation
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