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gmcc wrote:Economy parking lot E is now open and showing up on the parking map at flylax.com. it is next to the proud bird.
SBowla wrote:A look at the midfield satellite concourse progress from May 2019:
https://youtu.be/RkErQxQEerA
And what it is supposed to look like (from 2016):
https://youtu.be/L-YenoF-RD8
compensateme wrote:Once the People Mover is operational, LAX is interested in bringing a hotel on property, and is exploring whether the Theme Building could be part of the project:
https://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-tr ... story.html
https://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-tr ... story.html
Poor Theme Building. Sad to see the observation lounge is closed indefinitely, but it was next-to-impossible to determine when it was open. E.g. the first two weekends of every month, then only certain months, but WHAT certain months? You'd think once they killed their in-house radio station, they'd replace it with an in-house social media team.
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In other news, FlyAway service continues to shrink, with service ending to UCLA/Westwood.
https://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-tr ... story.html
Once upon a time, they served the Irvine Transportation Center -- free parking, $25 each way, and kids were free. Was an awesome deal, shame it never caught on.
gmcc wrote:While the theme building was great I think it is pass its use by date. The best thing would be to knock it down and make better use of the space. Maybe they could reverse the flow in the CTA, have everyone come down center way and then peel off to the respective terminals.
compensateme wrote:gmcc wrote:While the theme building was great I think it is pass its use by date. The best thing would be to knock it down and make better use of the space. Maybe they could reverse the flow in the CTA, have everyone come down center way and then peel off to the respective terminals.
The Theme Building is too iconic. Even some people who've never been to LAX recognize it, no way should it be demolished. LAX isn't LAX without seeing Hollywood Park on approach, let alone the physical Theme Building .
Aceskywalker wrote:No way the theme building gets knocked down. Its been designated by the city as a historic building.
gmcc wrote:Aceskywalker wrote:No way the theme building gets knocked down. Its been designated by the city as a historic building.
I know, just saying if they got rid of it, demolished the old control tower and administrative offices you could make the entrance to the CTA flow better.
tcaeyx wrote:gmcc wrote:Aceskywalker wrote:No way the theme building gets knocked down. Its been designated by the city as a historic building.
I know, just saying if they got rid of it, demolished the old control tower and administrative offices you could make the entrance to the CTA flow better.
How would getting rid of this building improve flow? It takes up relatively little space compared to all the other structures in the CTA, and it isn't even all that close to the entrance. One could double the width of World Way and it would barely skirt the edges of the Theme building's footprint. There are several factors impeding flow through the CTA, but this building isn't one of them.
gmcc wrote:Interesting item for consideration at the next LAWA board meeting for July 18. They are proposing making 4 gates at the MSC multi apron ramp system (MARS) gates for either one group V or two group III aircraft at a time. Document says LAWA anticipates 3 international carriers will have most of their operations on group III planes at MSC opening June 2020. Mexican and Central American airlines would be my first guess as to the tenants. Also might help move Air Canada out of T6 so it can be rebuilt by LAWA and AS.
ldvaviation wrote:gmcc wrote:Interesting item for consideration at the next LAWA board meeting for July 18. They are proposing making 4 gates at the MSC multi apron ramp system (MARS) gates for either one group V or two group III aircraft at a time. Document says LAWA anticipates 3 international carriers will have most of their operations on group III planes at MSC opening June 2020. Mexican and Central American airlines would be my first guess as to the tenants. Also might help move Air Canada out of T6 so it can be rebuilt by LAWA and AS.
The more intriguing item is on the agenda of the closed session --- anticipated litigation with Hawaiian Airlines.
This is the second time that item has appeared on the agenda.
As with the Hawaiian litigation, I suspect the MSC change order has more to do with the possibility of moving some T5 airlines to the MSC.
gmcc wrote:Also might help move Air Canada out of T6 so it can be rebuilt by LAWA and AS.
gregn21 wrote:gmcc wrote:Also might help move Air Canada out of T6 so it can be rebuilt by LAWA and AS.
Have we seen any official / suggestive evidence of a T6 rebuild in the works? Other than T5, it is clearly in need of the most work. With AA set to rebuild T5 I could see LAWA handing the AS the keys to all of T6 in return for a partially AS funded rebuild.
aklrno wrote:Can someone please tell me how many gates at TBIT were shut for this construction, and how many will return to service once the construction is complete? It looks like at least one will be lost to the gateway construction. I hope some of the closed gates will be back in service before the MSC opens. I'm getting very tired of being bussed to and from the remote gates. The people who operate that bus service are easily the most annoying and least customer service oriented people at LAX. In comparison I am pleased to deal with the TSA.
wnflyguy wrote:Anyone know what going on with ParkOne next to T1. A lot of construction for something that's being torn up soon.
Flyguy?
gregn21 wrote:3 gates are currently out of service due to MSC construction. One question I have is if/when the north end of TBIT will finally be built out once the MSC is done and the bus terminal for the remote gates is no longer needed.
ldvaviation wrote:
LAWA never finishes what it starts.
On that note, check out the agenda for the upcoming Board meeting. LAWA has changed its mind again, this time on the MSC South.
There's no master plan. It's planning and construction whack-a-mole style.
carljanderson wrote:ldvaviation wrote:
LAWA never finishes what it starts.
On that note, check out the agenda for the upcoming Board meeting. LAWA has changed its mind again, this time on the MSC South.
There's no master plan. It's planning and construction whack-a-mole style.
Wow. 2 story pre-engineered structure. 8 narrowbody gates.
Even with C0 and T9, this seems shortsighted.
gregn21 wrote:
At first this did seem kind of odd, but after reading over their reasoning it actually sounds like a pretty good idea. They can basically use it as a new home for everyone currently in T5 (Spirit, Jetblue, Allegiant, Hawaiian) which would allow a quicker transfer of the remainder of T5 facilities to AA. Then they can get rid of the eagle's nest and proceed with the T9 build. Plus, when T9 is eventually completed, there will presumably be a surplus of widebody, international optimized gates at LAX, so adding domestic / narrowbody gates rather than more widebody gates to the MSC might make more sense in the long term as well.
Eventually, it does seem like they will get rid of what they are about to build as MSC South and replace it with a more time intensive and costly full expansion of MSC North, but the "temporary" narrowbody-only concourse will allow them to proceed with other construction in a much more timely manner.
My one concern with this decision is that they will be cheap and the new concourse will be visually unappealing.
Link to project: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=4&event_id=1324&meta_id=38379
gregn21 wrote:
Eventually, it does seem like they will get rid of what they are about to build as MSC South and replace it with a more time intensive and costly full expansion of MSC North, but the "temporary" narrowbody-only concourse will allow them to proceed with other construction in a much more timely manner.
My one concern with this decision is that they will be cheap and the new concourse will be visually unappealing.
Link to project: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=4&event_id=1324&meta_id=38379
gregn21 wrote:carljanderson wrote:ldvaviation wrote:
LAWA never finishes what it starts.
On that note, check out the agenda for the upcoming Board meeting. LAWA has changed its mind again, this time on the MSC South.
There's no master plan. It's planning and construction whack-a-mole style.
Wow. 2 story pre-engineered structure. 8 narrowbody gates.
Even with C0 and T9, this seems shortsighted.
At first this did seem kind of odd, but after reading over their reasoning it actually sounds like a pretty good idea. They can basically use it as a new home for everyone currently in T5 (Spirit, Jetblue, Allegiant, Hawaiian) which would allow a quicker transfer of the remainder of T5 facilities to AA. Then they can get rid of the eagle's nest and proceed with the T9 build. Plus, when T9 is eventually completed, there will presumably be a surplus of widebody, international optimized gates at LAX, so adding domestic / narrowbody gates rather than more widebody gates to the MSC might make more sense in the long term as well.
Eventually, it does seem like they will get rid of what they are about to build as MSC South and replace it with a more time intensive and costly full expansion of MSC North, but the "temporary" narrowbody-only concourse will allow them to proceed with other construction in a much more timely manner.
My one concern with this decision is that they will be cheap and the new concourse will be visually unappealing.
Link to project: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=4&event_id=1324&meta_id=38379
The MSC South Project was originally envisioned to be an extension of the MSC North, with similar architecture, function, and scale. To build to this concept would require significant delivery time and investment, as well as necessitate the demolition of the American Airlines (AA) SuperBay Hangar, for which we have no adequate replacement in the near future. However, due to recent growth in passenger
activity - as well as ongoing renovation efforts throughout LAX that requires the closure of other gates - there is an urgency to deliver more domestic gates in the near term. Moreover, with the planned development of Terminal 9 and Concourse 0, there is no longer the same need to use MSC South as a fully functioning international terminal as was originally envisioned.
airlineaddict wrote:I’ve been following LAX/TBIT developments for over 15 years... what the LAWA board is doing is not new.
1. Before the new TBIT was constructed with the addition of TBIT West, LAWA spent $500+ million on renovating and rebuilding parts of the old TBIT concourses due to their congestion and condition. The remaining remnants of that construction is the northern most gates of TBIT. I remember being in shock and awe at the tear down of the renovations within a year or two of completion. Totally wasteful $$. ldvaviation and ikramerica can check me on timing and $$.
carljanderson wrote:Did I miss earlier renderings of the airside look at T4 after the AA project? The CEQA (California Environmental Quality Act) review of the plans have some exhibits of the new T4.
https://www.lawa.org/en/lawa-our-lax/en ... on-project -> Click on "Initial Study and Draft Negative Declaration" for the file.
carljanderson wrote:on another subject..
Has Delta finalized the design of the T3 - TBIT connector yet? The last I have I seen was that they were still evaluation options, especially re: passenger circulation and the TBIT core project. Last I saw from the LAWA BOAC is April 2018.
carljanderson wrote:ldvaviation wrote:LAWA never finishes what it starts. On that note, check out the agenda for the upcoming Board meeting. LAWA has changed its mind again, this time on the MSC South. There's no master plan. It's planning and construction whack-a-mole style.
Wow. 2 story pre-engineered structure. 8 narrowbody gates. Even with C0 and T9, this seems shortsighted.
aaway wrote:As you read & review the document for the T4 airside redevelopment, you'll notice that there is a provision for a bus gate abutting the ground level of (new) Gate 43. That bus gate will have a dual purpose of serving both LAWA and AA Eagle busing operations.
Unless a change of plan occurs within the next 2 - 3 years, MSC South is where AA Eagle will operate from.
aaway wrote:
As you read & review the document for the T4 airside redevelopment, you'll notice that there is a provision for a bus gate abutting the ground level of (new) Gate 43. That bus gate will have a dual purpose of serving both LAWA and AA Eagle busing operations.
Unless a change of plan occurs within the next 2 - 3 years, MSC South is where AA Eagle will operate from.
aaway wrote:Unless a change of plan occurs within the next 2 - 3 years, MSC South is where AA Eagle will operate from.
ldvaviation wrote:aaway wrote:Unless a change of plan occurs within the next 2 - 3 years, MSC South is where AA Eagle will operate from.
AA also proposed more T5 gates (as a replacement for the Eagle facility).
From what I understand, there is no agreement yet. With the proper extension of the MSC South, AA was expecting to get 5 more gates in T5. With the change of plans, that provision of their new lease is ineffective. I expect the new plan to address the T5 gates as well.