There were no morning shuttles today in neither direction. If there was one in the evening, what direction was it? Both? And tomorrow, will there be morning and evening shuttles in both directions?


Gruß, masi1157

CARST wrote:

F9Animal wrote:

So sad! Is there any chance that someone could save the airline?

EasyJet I think is still chartering Jets to cover all their routes.

If you mean the TXL-ops, easyJet no longer uses jets chartered by other companies. All flights are operated with easyJet-aircraft and crews.

Regards

Please stay on topic. This isn't a discussion on the state of the German economy.

✈️ atcsundevil

Germania ARN-BEY was very popular, I wonder who wil take over the route?

cedars747 wrote:

Germania ARN-BEY was very popular, I wonder who wil take over the route?

MEA with an A320 would seem logical to me

MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:

cedars747 wrote:

Germania ARN-BEY was very popular, I wonder who wil take over the route?

MEA with an A320 would seem logical to me

They launched CPH recently, year around. Berlin, should be considered by them as well, as was a popular route, specially that Germania ceased operations. ARN and Berlin maybe seasonal in the beginning..

Recent images of LZ-AOA and LZ-AOC in Germania c/s.

I understand these are leased from Bulgarian Eagle.

Does this mean that they just come and collect their planes.

There goes another one....

euroflyer wrote:

I'm quite surprised that Airbus didn't plan a back-up solution for their A319 shuttle service between TLS and XFW (subcontracted to Germania). This route is crucial to operations and hundreds of employees commute everyday between the two majors sites. Procurement is usually very careful to financial situation of suppliers/subcontractors, especially when there have been talks for several weeks now...
Any guess on which airline could be chosen to take back this route ?

According to this article Airbus employees (about 400 every day...) are now using Commercial flights from HAM: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/airbus-sh ... ie-fliegen

They are negotiating with other operators to re-establish the shuttle service as soon as possible.

N14AZ wrote:

According to this article Airbus employees (about 400 every day...) are now using Commercial flights from HAM:

That was the status of yesterday morning. This morning there was a Titan A320 from XFW to TLS (although much later than normal), and there was a Germania Flug A319 yesterday evening and will be this evening, again much later than usual. It looks like both do the normal flights times TLS-XFW and return afterwards. In the old Germania (and before OLT, Privatair, WDL etc.) schedule both directions were flown simultaneously.


Gruß, Matthias

bennett123 wrote:

Recent images of LZ-AOA and LZ-AOC in Germania c/s.

I understand these are leased from Bulgarian Eagle.

Does this mean that they just come and collect their planes.

Bulgarian Eagle was just a Bulgarian division of Germania along with a Swiss division. Posts yesterday said both of those airlines aren’t affected

Is it likely that Bulgarian Eagle or Germania Flug can expand to take over some Germania operations.

If not, do they have sufficient scale to continue as they are.

Until the end of this week Titan Airlines flies the shuttle in the morning and Germania Flug flies the shuttle in the evening.

Maybe they really shouldn't have this:

Source: skyliner-aviation.de, Jens Jüngling

Picture taken on April 1, 2011

But seriously, really sad. I loved to see their Caravelles when I mutated to a planespotter...


R.I.P. Germania

This has almost a similar feel to the Monarch shut-down - a long-established and medium-sized leisure airline unable to compete in the modern world.

bspc wrote:

Until the end of this week Titan Airlines flies the shuttle in the morning and Germania Flug flies the shuttle in the evening.

This week only passengers with a Germania booking from before their insolvency will fly on those flights. New bookings can only be made on commercial flights HAM-FRA/MUC/BRU/AMS/CDG....-TLS. From next week on until end of March Titan will operate all flights, apparently with the original schedule.


Gruß, masi1157

masi1157 wrote:

bspc wrote:

Until the end of this week Titan Airlines flies the shuttle in the morning and Germania Flug flies the shuttle in the evening.

This week only passengers with a Germania booking from before their insolvency will fly on those flights. New bookings can only be made on commercial flights HAM-FRA/MUC/BRU/AMS/CDG....-TLS. From next week on until end of March Titan will operate all flights, apparently with the original schedule.


Gruß, masi1157

Thank you. This site has been logging the Shuttle since the beginning of January 2019 - https://aibfamily.flights/Airbus-Charter

Interesting that Titan have some of the work. Their A320's do ski charters into LGW every weekend on behalf of UK ski tour operators so those planes are going to be very busy indeed now.

where is the fleet going?

UnitedIsBae wrote:

where is the fleet going?

Nowhere, at least for now. The administrator still hopes to sell the business so the airline is on some kind of life support. Pilots have to move the aircraft every two weeks in order to keep the registrations valid and technicians are regularely caring for the planes.

But meanwhile, Thomas Cook wants to get rid of the entire ariline group that is operating leisure fligts with five AOCs throughout Europe!

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/busines ... d-15794481

They also have 3 B737-700 parked at Kemble.

Were they leased or owned.

I understand they are to be parted/scrapped.

Lessors are now repatriating their aircraft:
A319-115 MSN 2762 D-ASTO (Germania) ferried 16feb19 NUE-FJR ex B-6229
A319-112 MSN 2774 D-ASTN (Germania) ferried 15-16feb19 XFW-NUE-FJR ex B-6230
A321-211 MSN 2005 D-AGMA (Germania) ferried 17feb18 SXF-LCA on return to lessor ex OE-LCL
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

A319-112 MSN 1925 D-ASTL left for GYR back in 9th Feb 2019.

Updating the fleet grounding:
A319-112 1886 LZ-AWT Dubai Aerospace Germania cs, ferried 15mar19 RLG-LDE ex D-ASTK
A319-132 2396 2-STRA Seen registered at LFBF 17mar19, all white ex SX-ABE
A319-112 3019 D-ASTZ (Germania) ferried 12mar19 TLS-PRG ex OE-LEK
A319-111 3403 LZ-AWV Dubai Aerospace Germania cs, ferried 13mar19 BRE-LDE (+ 3364 D-ASTJ) ex D-ASTQ
A319-112 3447 D-ABGK germanwings Eurowings cs, posn 15mar19 BUD-DUS after transfer ex OE-LNB
A319-112 3533 D-ASTU (Germania) ferried 15mar19 BRE-LDE for onward storage (+ 3560 D-ASTT 16mar19 DUS-LDE) ex D-AHHA
A319-112 5085 D-ASTC (Germania) ferried 15mar19 MUC-PRG after storage ex D-AVYO
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4

This Germania situation is still unclear to me. I read that a company would invest in them again but I still see their airplanes being repossessed. What is happening, will they close their doors indefinitely or will they restart again with this new company?

A388

A388 wrote:

This Germania situation is still unclear to me. I read that a company would invest in them again but I still see their airplanes being repossessed. What is happening, will they close their doors indefinitely or will they restart again with this new company?

A388

Last update was that HiFly is one of the three parties interested in buying parts or all of Germania, but nothing concrete at the moment.

https://aeronauticsonline.com/hifly-to- ... -germania/

The lessors are taking back their aircraft just in case nothing happens. They would like to avoid them being seized or being entangled in legal battle and subsequently incur more parking fee.

Wasn't their Swiss division bought by some Albanian businesswoman who lives in Switzerland?

There's a guy claiming on Linkedin that he will revive Germania and is looking for a CEO,airplane of choice is...you've guessed it SSJ100:

http://www.austrianaviation.net/detail/ ... -linkedin/

Updating:
Airbus A319-112 3407 D-ASTY (Germania) ferried 19mar19 NUE-PRG ex OE-LED
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=1

Blerg wrote:

Wasn't their Swiss division bought by some Albanian businesswoman who lives in Switzerland?

Sorry for late reply. Affirmative.

https://aviationweek.com/awincommercial ... wiss-owned
https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/02/ko ... -over.html

According to some German news outlets the administrator gave up looking for investors. According to him all reputable bidders have jumped off. Time pressure is given as the main reason because insolvency payments will stop end of March. The employees will get the pink slip in the next days.
Really sad it had to end like this.

ei146 wrote:

According to some German news outlets the administrator gave up looking for investors. According to him all reputable bidders have jumped off. Time pressure is given as the main reason because insolvency payments will stop end of March. The employees will get the pink slip in the next days.
Really sad it had to end like this.

Yes indeed. This news just broke two hours ago.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/germ ... o-restart/

"Grounding of Boeing jets contributed to Germania failure - liquidator" - http://www.reuters.com/article/germania ... SL8N21C2TZ

juliuswong wrote:

"Grounding of Boeing jets contributed to Germania failure - liquidator" - http://www.reuters.com/article/germania ... SL8N21C2TZ

I'd like to see the chain of arguments for that, given that Germania didn't have 737s in their fleet at the time of grounding, let alone MAXs on order. Not even mentioning that the bankruptcy happened before the grounding...

OlafW wrote:

juliuswong wrote:

"Grounding of Boeing jets contributed to Germania failure - liquidator" - http://www.reuters.com/article/germania ... SL8N21C2TZ

I'd like to see the chain of arguments for that, given that Germania didn't have 737s in their fleet at the time of grounding, let alone MAXs on order. Not even mentioning that the bankruptcy happened before the grounding...

While not necessarily a contributor to the bankruptcy filing itself, the eventual failure of reorganization process could count, as one of contributing factors, the fact that fleet of Germania was in hot demand elsewhere.
If aircraft market were long, lessors could be expected to support the carrier in difficulty with more graceful terms.

In a tight market, lessors apparently are happy to remarket to a highest bidder.

Again, if bidders line up with good prices for owned frames, it reduces administrator's case to force creditors to accept a haircut to keep an airline in business, vs. liquidation.

Makes sense either way.

Update 1st April 2019:
A319-132 msn 2739 OE-IDE AerCap seen regd at PRG 29mar19, still in Germania cs ex LZ-AOC
A321-211 msn 684 D-ASTP Sasof II Aviation Germania cs, ferried 27mar19 NUE-CDT (+ 970 D-ASTW 29mar19 DUS-CDT) ex UR-WRP
A321-211 msn 995 D-ASTV Sasof II Aviation Germania cs, ferried 30mar19 DUS-CDT ex TS-IQB
A321-211 msn 1629 D-ASTM Sasof II Aviation Germania cs, ferried 29mar19 FMO-LDE ex OE-LCE
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4

Update 9th April 2019:
A319-112 3892 D-ASTG Lufthansa Technik Germania cs, ferried 08 April 2019 TXL-PAD ex OK-OER
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2

Update 11th April 2019:
Boeing 737-75B 28100 16 D-AGEN WWT AirOpco Germania cs, ferried 10apr19 DRS-EGBP, for part-out & scrap (+ 28110/5 D-AGEL)
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3

I wonder how the Swiss Germania is doing. Was on flight GM3404, April 7th ZRH-PMI. I was travelling with a group of 35 pax plus another 6 pax, total 41 in A319 HB-JOG. That's not many people as in some parts of Switzerland spring holidays startet then...

I hated there paint on the planes it was one of the ugliest flying!

Update 15th April 2019:
A319-112 4691 D-ASTB (Germania) ferried 13apr19 SXF-PRG ex D-AVYO
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4

Update 25 April 2019:
Airbus A319 -112 4663 D-ASTA (Germania) ferried 24apr19 ERF-PRG ex D-AVYF
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=1

Update 30th April 2019:
A319-112 msn 3892 D-ASTG Lufthansa Technik Germania cs, ferried 29apr19 PAD-KEF ex OK-OER
A321-211 msn 2005 VP-BAN Red Wings onward delivery 29apr19 MST-DME after paint into new cs ex D-AGMA
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4

Enter Air purchased a 49% stake in Germania Flug, with an option to increase its stake to 80%.

Went to Kemble today.

D-AGEU is now nose less with a big section cut out of the fuselage.

Clearly soon to be broken up.

Hopefully someone will buy the others.

HiFly Malta has taken some ex-Germania A319's to be used for the Airbus Charters - https://aibfamily.flights/Airbus-Charter