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Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:24 pm

https://news.delta.com/delta-extends-ai ... l-aircraft

"15 additional aircraft are in-line with Delta’s ongoing fleet improvement evolution and sustains its commitment to fuel, economic and sustainable efficiency"

"Delta has reached an agreement with Airbus to extend its order book of the highly efficient, state-of-the-art A220 by 15 aircraft to a total of 90.

Delta's future A220 fleet will consist of 40 A220-100 series aircraft and the remaining 50 will be the larger A220-300 variant. Delta anticipates taking its first delivery of the A220-300 in 2020.

"These additional A220 aircraft will continue to strategically enable Delta to refresh our fleet, drive further advances in the customer experience and serve as an excellent investment for our customers, employees and shareowners for Delta into the next decade," said Gil West, Delta's Chief Operating Officer. "We look forward to taking our first A220-300 in 2020 at the Airbus assembly facility in Mobile, Alabama."

Delta expects all 90 A220 aircraft to be delivered by the end of 2023. The A220-300 aircraft will be configured with 130 seats and offer First Class, Delta Comfort+ and main cabin options for customers. ​"
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:27 pm

Everyone was expecting this one, they had to take a minimum of 40 A221’s.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:31 pm

This is good news. Expected? I would say hoped. First A220 order of 2019! I personally didn't expect a top off order for a year or so. In service data normally drives that decision.
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:34 pm

Delta is aggressively plugging that aircraft gap between the ERJs and the 737/320 series. I think this is wise for their network. Will enable them to either offer lots of frequencies and/or flights from smaller hubs (of whatever BOS/RDU are).

As an aside, I haven’t had coffee yet - did we already have confirmation that Delta was taking 220-300s?
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:39 pm

tlecam wrote:
Delta is aggressively plugging that aircraft gap between the ERJs and the 737/320 series. I think this is wise for their network. Will enable them to either offer lots of frequencies and/or flights from smaller hubs (of whatever BOS/RDU are).

As an aside, I haven’t had coffee yet - did we already have confirmation that Delta was taking 220-300s?



Though it's not quite there on range, doesn't the 717 plug that gap quite well?
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:42 pm

I think Delta is getting positive feedback from it's flight department, wants to complete some re fleeting by 2023 and reserved slots for it while it could.
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:44 pm

Delta’s original order was for 75 with options for I think 75 more
The first 35 had to be 100’a
The 717 will not be at delta long term
I expect many follow on orders for the 220 in the future at delta
They probably will have 150-200 at some point
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:45 pm

717 went out of production years ago.220 is the new kid on the block it seems.Will give a huge boost of confidence to the project as a whole.2019 might be a very good year for the 220.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:52 pm

The A220 family seems to be an ideal replacement for lots of old A319's , A320's & 737-7NG's
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:55 pm

luv2cattlecall wrote:
tlecam wrote:
Delta is aggressively plugging that aircraft gap between the ERJs and the 737/320 series. I think this is wise for their network. Will enable them to either offer lots of frequencies and/or flights from smaller hubs (of whatever BOS/RDU are).

As an aside, I haven’t had coffee yet - did we already have confirmation that Delta was taking 220-300s?



Though it's not quite there on range, doesn't the 717 plug that gap quite well?



Yes, definitely - my comment was more about their strategy relative to AA and UA, which I did not articulate at all.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:59 pm

These will be great additions to their fleet. Delivery will be pretty rapid as well which is nice.
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:01 pm

The only surprise was the increase in the A220-100 order count from the minimum commitment of 35 to 40 units. I was expecting aircraft sequence numbers #36 on up to all be in the larger -300 variant. Does anyone know if the 15 additional aircraft represent conversion of some of the options, which would then leave the option book at 60 (instead of the previous 75) or are these 15 additional A220-300 new orders leaving the option book still at 75?
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:16 pm

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The only surprise was the increase in the A220-100 order count from the minimum commitment of 35 to 40 units. I was expecting aircraft sequence numbers #36 on up to all be in the larger -300 variant.
I suspect it has to do with the earliest availability of Mobile's produced A220s.

A220-100s can be obtained from Mirabel w/o fears of further Boeing's hypocrite complaints. However, the Commerce Dept has not ruled anything about the A220-300...
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:36 pm

ExMilitaryEng wrote:
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The only surprise was the increase in the A220-100 order count from the minimum commitment of 35 to 40 units. I was expecting aircraft sequence numbers #36 on up to all be in the larger -300 variant.
I suspect it has to do with the availability of Mobile's produced A220s.

A220-100s can be obtained from Mirabel w/o fears of further Boeing hypocrite complaints. However, the Commerce Dept has not ruled anything about the A220-300...


If this is the case, with Jet Blue, Moxie and Delta all lined up for Mobile aircraft just to be on the safe side with Commerce, can we expect an announcement of a larger A220 assembly Mobile facility? The A320 family assembly facility at Mobile has a big enough order book to stay busy for years, so comments late last year of it operating as a ''swing'' facility did not make a lot of sense to me. I think a significant physical expansion of Mobile Assembly will be announced this year. But perhaps the bogeyman threat of ''Commerce'' will also be dangled to mute protests in the Montreal region if Mobile soon becomes larger than Airbus CS JV Canada, seeing as Alabama, in common with South Carolina are not strong union regions.
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:47 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Everyone was expecting this one, they had to take a minimum of 40 A221’s.


Why is that exactly? Scope clause related or something else?
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:54 pm

(From Coronado: "But perhaps the bogeyman threat of ''Commerce'' will also be dangled to mute protests in the Montreal region if Mobile soon becomes larger than Airbus CS JV Canada, seeing as Alabama, in common with South Carolina are not strong union regions")

Personally (being a Quebecois) I have no problems with a bigger Mobile A220 FAL (versus Mirabel) as this would mean an A220-300 runaway success in the US market.

You have to realise that Mobile's A220s will still possess a considerable proportion of components produced by the Bombardier division called "Aerostructure". Furthermore, PWC Mirabel also performs some "light" final assembly of the engines to be shipped to Mobile.

Also I don't believe Mobile's unit costs to be considerably lower than Mirabel. If Mobile was such a bargain production location, you would have seen way more A320s produced over there already.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:59 pm

LHRlocal wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Everyone was expecting this one, they had to take a minimum of 40 A221’s.


Why is that exactly? Scope clause related or something else?


I'm guessing it's terms of the original contract for 75 + 50 options.

As part of this transaction, Delta has options for 50 additional C Series aircraft and certain delivery flexibility rights including the ability to substitute the larger CS300 aircraft.

https://news.delta.com/delta-orders-sta ... r-c-series
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:02 pm

dtwpilot225 wrote:

They probably will have 150-200 at some point


I'll take the under on that. 737s (in their various forms) proved to be both durable (long service life) and reliable. A319/320s did for Delta, too. Durability and reliability are functions of design, procurement, and assembly. A220s are too new to have proven much of anything on durability to any carrier.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:10 pm

LHRlocal wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Everyone was expecting this one, they had to take a minimum of 40 A221’s.


Why is that exactly? Scope clause related or something else?


I believe it stems from the contract with Bombardier on their original order for 75 CSeries. I think the magic number was they agreed to take at least 35 A221s but just bumped it up by about 5 aircraft.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:14 pm

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...A220s are too new to have proven much of anything on durability to any carrier.
Sure. But so far, it looks good (from AirBaltic's feedbacks - which is using intensively its current A220-300s).

I would also pretend the A220's future durability is better "perceived" than comparable Embraer products - obviously perception only, those programs are too young for any meaningful data.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:20 pm

I'd be surprised if DL didn't take more A220-300s...as an A319 replacement, but not a B717 replacement. If Airbus commits to an A220-500, I could see Delta wanting to be its launch customer.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:29 pm

The added 5 A220-100 are nice, better that more are sold. I wonder how much Swiss and AirBaltic data DL sees.

ExMilitaryEng wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
...A220s are too new to have proven much of anything on durability to any carrier.
Sure. But so far, it looks good (from AirBaltic's feedbacks - which is using intensively its current A220-300s).

I would also pretend the A220's future durability is better "perceived" than comparable Embraer products - obviously perception only, those programs are too young for any meaningful data.

There is some merit to that. The CRJ level of validity is now 80,000 cycles, up from 60,000. I'm not aware of Embraer's expanding their LOV.

But that begs the question, what is the A220 level of validity (FC and FH)? I cannot find a source.

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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:32 pm

Hi during the hearings as part of the trade complaint by Boeing involving the Delta purchase of Canadian built CS100's it was disclosed that Delta had the right to convert 40 of the 75 firm order as well as the 50 options to CS300's. Here is the original source document that disclosed this in the testimony of Raymond Conner the Vice Chairman of Boeing: https://www.usitc.gov/trade_remedy/731_ ... 8-2017.pdf

Go to page 31 of this document, starting on line 6: , I will quote just the relevant line numbers (meaning line numbers of the document):
As far as volume, Delta has the right to convert
40 of the 75 firm orders into CS300s and it can convert all
50 of its options into CS300s so that's 90 CS300s that have
firm pricing in a deal that we know that the CS100 was sold
at extremely low prices. As I just indicated, one would
expect the CS300 to be priced somewhat higher than the CS100
but not dramatically so.

This is the sort of information that gets brought up in the Disclosure process in legal actions, as up until that time Delta and Bombardier had simply talked about Delta having certain conversion privileges for CS300's instead of CS100's. The testimony of Ray Conner identified that 40 of the firm order for 75 could be converted, ergo Delta had to take at least 35 CS100
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:25 pm

Ha! I knew it!
Expect many, many more top-up CS300 orders from Delta in the next 5 - 10 years. It's a shame Bombardier had to let the program go...
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:32 pm

wonder how UA/AA will respond. While they are still busy removing seatback TV's, installing smaller seats and cramped bathrooms, DL does the exact opposite; large monitors at every seat, comfortable, wide seats, large bathrooms with a window to boot. This is a game changer folks. I bet DL will put these planes on highly lucrative domestic routes where it will directly compete with UA/AA and to a lesser extent, B6.

DL will no doubt continue to command a higher premium for these seats and folks willl buy them.

Choice 1. Fly UA/AA with no inseat entertainment, small, crampish seat with a lav the width of a coach seat, or
choice 2. a brand new DL A220 with all the above features.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:40 pm

OH YES! Congrats to both Airbus and DL for this order. It's great to see more A220s being ordered, though I wish they kept more -100s.

Personally I don't think the -300 will be necessarily used to replace A319s. I think that they may configure it in a way that bridges the gap between the 717/221 and the 319/73G. It's a small gap, but they could use aircraft with that capacity. Alternatively they could use it to expand in their smaller hubs like MSP or DTW, or replace the A319 in routes where it's more suitable of an aircraft (short runways for example) and let the A319 fly on other routes where they can profit more out of it.
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:43 pm

Way to go Delta.....and this is how you keep revenue high and cost (oil) low....should be interesting to see the routes these beauty's are used on outside of what was already confirmed
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:45 pm

I'm curious to know what the breakdown of First, Comfort Plus and Coach will be on the 220-300 with 130 seats... Will they go 16F? 12F would be below their 10% target... I'd love to see at least 16F, 20 Y+ and 94 Y
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:50 pm

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It's a shame Bombardier had to let the program go...
Indeed
But then Boeing decided to kill the CSeries and to "not do the same mistake in letting a new entrant enter the market (like the did with Airbus)". From that moment the business case ($) for the CSeries went from marginal to ZERO.

You just can't compete with B737-700s being offered at $23M a piece. Not as a small scale manufacturer. Airbus can however...

Even if you don't if don't have any past military experience, when you learn someone is there to kill you; your mind set changes BIG TIME. Not sure when Boeing will be again perceived positively around here. Car licence plates here carry the words "Je me souviens". That would be an understatement if we apply it to that predatory manufacturer.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:54 pm

lightsaber wrote:
This is good news. Expected? I would say hoped. First A220 order of 2019! I personally didn't expect a top off order for a year or so. In service data normally drives that decision.


With the recent sales in mind, would availability not also play an increasing roll for a heavy weight like Delta, at least if they want them near term?

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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:54 pm

Good on Delta for ordering more of these birds.

I’ve never undertood the hype for a CS500/A220-500. Capacity would be too similar to the A320 and it would simply be redundant. Now that Airbus is running the program, I just don’t see how a -500 makes any sense for them.
 
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My feeling is that the BBD/Airbus marriage will prove to be more harmonious than the EMB/Boeing union. I suspect that when Boeing starts trying to recover/extract their $4 billion payment (ROI) the Brazilians will knee jerk negatively. Airbus only paid $1 so there will be no pressure to recover their investment. The intangibles that Airbus brings to the table will not be distorted by having to be paid back.
It will be interesting to see how the Boeing culture (aggressive/litigious) blends with the Brazilians over the next few years.
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:16 pm

jumbojet wrote:
wonder how UA/AA will respond. While they are still busy removing seatback TV's, installing smaller seats and cramped bathrooms, DL does the exact opposite; large monitors at every seat, comfortable, wide seats, large bathrooms with a window to boot. This is a game changer folks. I bet DL will put these planes on highly lucrative domestic routes where it will directly compete with UA/AA and to a lesser extent, B6.

DL will no doubt continue to command a higher premium for these seats and folks willl buy them.

Choice 1. Fly UA/AA with no inseat entertainment, small, crampish seat with a lav the width of a coach seat, or
choice 2. a brand new DL A220 with all the above features.


They will 100% choose DAL... if it doesn’t cost $1 more. History is riddled with evidence that a huge part of the American traveling public cares about price above all else.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:41 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
If Airbus commits to an A220-500, I could see Delta wanting to be its launch customer.

I'm convinced the A220-500 (f.k.a. CS500) is a matter of when, not if.
Will Delta order them? Not sure though.

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I’ve never undertood the hype for a CS500/A220-500. Capacity would be too similar to the A320 and it would simply be redundant. Now that Airbus is running the program, I just don’t see how a -500 makes any sense for them.

It does make a lot of sense: for an operator with mainly thin routes, Airbus can pitch the A220 Family and throw in a handful of -500's (as a small subfleet) for the few routes that can support a bigger plane.
On the other hand, for an operator that primarily has heavy routes, Airbus can pitch the A320 Family and throw in a handful of A319/320's for the few routes that cannot support a full A321.

Fleet commonality drastically reduces maintenance cost; think of the LCC's (Southwest, Ryanair, EasyJet).
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:23 pm

fanoftristars wrote:
I'm curious to know what the breakdown of First, Comfort Plus and Coach will be on the 220-300 with 130 seats... Will they go 16F? 12F would be below their 10% target... I'd love to see at least 16F, 20 Y+ and 94 Y

I doubt it - the A319s have 132 seats and still only 12F. My guess is 12F, 20Y+, 98Y.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:26 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Good on Delta for ordering more of these birds.

I’ve never undertood the hype for a CS500/A220-500. Capacity would be too similar to the A320 and it would simply be redundant. Now that Airbus is running the program, I just don’t see how a -500 makes any sense for them.


This comparison is outdated, the A220-500 is many years off, and I think it fits right into where Airbus is heading. let me explain.

Airbus has the A320NEO and is just waiting for Boeing to announce their clean sheet narrow body, then Airbus is in the position to beat it. But now instead of having to beat the Boeing all the way down to 737-700 territory and all the way up to 757-300 territory, Airbus just has to fill the top of the market. So Airbus leaves the A319/A320 to the A220 and designs for the 180-240 market instead.

Boeing is in/has been in a pretty pickle for awhile. There is no good way to build one plane to fill the 130-240 seat segment. Boeing had two for a long time 737/757. With the 737 and A320 families growing towards the high end of the market, Airbus has a wonderful plane to fill the low end, Boeing over paid for a less ideal aircraft (I say less ideal because the EMB cross section of 2X2 won't grow as large as A220s 2X3).

And just as Delta was one of the first to capitalize on the large regional jets, Delta appears to be the first to capitalize on the 100-130 seat market as well. If I had to bet, Delta sees where the market is heading and will continue to buy A220s and then be able to buy the more optimized new NB (larger, think A321/737-900) from Boeing or Airbus as they don't need to buy aircraft in the 140 seat segment and can focus on the 180+ aircraft while AA/UA/WN replace their massive 737-700/A319 fleets, which even if they want to buy the A220, Delta will have already secured the best delivery slots.

While I have always thought that UA/AA have been 3-5 years ahead of Delta in their Long Haul fleets, Delta appears to be 3-5 years ahead in their Single-aisle fleet. Which makes sense in that (correct me if I am wrong, I haven't looked at the numbers recently) Delta is a much more domestic airline than UA/AA. Even looking at the aircraft that UA and DL have been launch customers (or at least early adopters) for UA: 787, DL:A220.
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:30 pm

Glad to see this. DL must be pleased with what they've seen so far.

mpdpilot wrote:
While I have always thought that UA/AA have been 3-5 years ahead of Delta in their Long Haul fleets, Delta appears to be 3-5 years ahead in their Single-aisle fleet. Which makes sense in that (correct me if I am wrong, I haven't looked at the numbers recently) Delta is a much more domestic airline than UA/AA.

Agreed, though I believe DL is more internationally-oriented (as a percentage of ASMs) than post-merger AA.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:42 pm

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wonder how UA/AA will respond. While they are still busy removing seatback TV's, installing smaller seats and cramped bathrooms, DL does the exact opposite; large monitors at every seat, comfortable, wide seats, large bathrooms with a window to boot. This is a game changer folks. I bet DL will put these planes on highly lucrative domestic routes where it will directly compete with UA/AA and to a lesser extent, B6.

DL will no doubt continue to command a higher premium for these seats and folks willl buy them.

Choice 1. Fly UA/AA with no inseat entertainment, small, crampish seat with a lav the width of a coach seat, or
choice 2. a brand new DL A220 with all the above features.


So according to your logic I should fly 787's with 50 luxury suites between NYC-ORD all day long and people will be lining up to pay for it. No, it doesn't work like that. The majority book on price first and then schedule. Look at all the big airline bloggers. There has been a big shift from loyal frequent flyers to just booking whoever has the cheapest F fare.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:44 pm

lightsaber wrote:
The added 5 A220-100 are nice, better that more are sold. I wonder how much Swiss and AirBaltic data DL sees.

ExMilitaryEng wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
...A220s are too new to have proven much of anything on durability to any carrier.
Sure. But so far, it looks good (from AirBaltic's feedbacks - which is using intensively its current A220-300s).

I would also pretend the A220's future durability is better "perceived" than comparable Embraer products - obviously perception only, those programs are too young for any meaningful data.

There is some merit to that. The CRJ level of validity is now 80,000 cycles, up from 60,000. I'm not aware of Embraer's expanding their LOV.

But that begs the question, what is the A220 level of validity (FC and FH)? I cannot find a source.

Lightsaber


Also there is the question of cost to extend use to the new or, strangely even the old LOV on CRJs. Skywest had parked many CRJ2s at around 48,000 cycles and it was rumored that they squeezed every bit of life out of them and individual components.
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:55 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I'd be surprised if DL didn't take more A220-300s...as an A319 replacement, but not a B717 replacement. If Airbus commits to an A220-500, I could see Delta wanting to be its launch customer.


How big is the A220-300? DL just refurbished the entire 319 fleet and they look very nice. I doubt they're leaving the fleet anytime soon.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:59 pm

Sightseer wrote:
Glad to see this. DL must be pleased with what they've seen so far.

mpdpilot wrote:
While I have always thought that UA/AA have been 3-5 years ahead of Delta in their Long Haul fleets, Delta appears to be 3-5 years ahead in their Single-aisle fleet. Which makes sense in that (correct me if I am wrong, I haven't looked at the numbers recently) Delta is a much more domestic airline than UA/AA.

Agreed, though I believe DL is more internationally-oriented (as a percentage of ASMs) than post-merger AA.


Well now I had to check...

From 2017 (so not the best but close):
AA: 37.0% International RPMs (126.869 Bil RPMs Domestic) (201.353 Bil RPMs Total)
DL: 41.1% International RPMs (116.009 Bil RPMs Domestic) (196.882 Bil RPMs Total)
UA: 46.0% International RPMs (104.524 Bil RPMs Domestic) (193.427 Bil RPMs Total)

WN: 3.4% International RPMs (124.729 Bil RPMs Domestic) (129.150 Bil RPMs Total)

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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:13 pm

so much for BBD's argument that the cseries wasnt a 737max7 competitor lol
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:21 pm

Fantastic! Wonderful! Now please start delivering more aircraft so we can see more upgauges. PLEASE!!!
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:28 pm

musman9853 wrote:
so much for BBD's argument that the cseries wasnt a 737max7 competitor lol

It still isn't; the CSeries/A220 falls right under the 737 category.

Delta has an extensive fleet of 737's; if the CSeries/A220 was a direct competitor of the 737-700/Max7, they would have bought more 737's, as it would have been less expensive that introducing a whole new fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:03 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
The A220 family seems to be an ideal replacement for lots of old A319's , A320's & 737-7NG's


The A319s will be staying around for awhile. There are more earlier build A320s that are headed out this and next year.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:42 pm

The biggest news is Delta's order for the larger A220-300. They could use the -300s on routes now flown with the Boeing 717 such as TPA-JFK. That old warhorse, low-slow-loud and with no IFE can be retired to other less competitive routes. https://ifn.news/posts/delta-order-anot ... -a220-300/
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:46 pm

musman9853 wrote:
so much for BBD's argument that the cseries wasnt a 737max7 competitor lol


It obviously is. Delta has plenty of jobs that simply cannot fill 160 seats. So they need tools for that. The one you mentioned does not compete well.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:01 pm

luv2cattlecall wrote:
tlecam wrote:
Delta is aggressively plugging that aircraft gap between the ERJs and the 737/320 series. I think this is wise for their network. Will enable them to either offer lots of frequencies and/or flights from smaller hubs (of whatever BOS/RDU are).

As an aside, I haven’t had coffee yet - did we already have confirmation that Delta was taking 220-300s?



Though it's not quite there on range, doesn't the 717 plug that gap quite well?


Except that Delta and Hawaiian own most of them already & delta needs more planes in that size. They can't get them out of thin air.
 
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:04 pm

I genuinely feel Delta could be onto something special long term that could leave AA & UA in a tricky situation. Their on-board product is fast becoming second to none for a legacy carrier, while UA & AA are removing dedicated IFE, shrinking legroom and densify-ing fleets, Delta seems to be doing the polar opposite.

The focus on hard product throughout the whole fleet is admirable, with the really nice A32X refits and new 739(ER) cabins. Add that to a long haul fleet that will soon be one of the most consistent of any airline (take a look at the current re-fit rate on the 777s!) and feed at the lower from the A220, it's looking impressive from a user standpoint.

Seems like a great move on Delta's part, grab the early slots while they're available at a price that may well have increased if demand goes the way it has been predicted. Major vote of confidence for the A220.
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Re: Delta Extends A220 order book to 90 aircraft

Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:18 pm

The 717 was a stop-gap solution for DL, and while a great aircraft IMO, the 220 will do all what the 717 can do and a whole lot more. I'm a HUGE fan of 5 abreast and the 220-1 is the ONLY real option for replacement of the 717. The 220-3 is moving into the MD's area, its gonna be a winner.
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