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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:44 pm

Heres's the schedule for the NAS flight on UA:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/

1x weekly Summer-seasonal flight.

Nice to see that get added, especially on a day like today when jetting off to the Caribbean sounds so wonderful!
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:15 pm

WN has its next schedule extension tomorrow, which will extend its flight schedule to June 6, 2020.

I expect WN to announce at least one new nonstop route out of DEN (apart from the already announced DEN-DSM nonstop route) in tomorrow's schedule extension.

What new nonstop routes out of DEN is WN likely to announce in tomorrow's schedule extension?
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:31 pm

New international route to be announced today.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:33 pm

CALMSP wrote:
New international route to be announced today.


Looks to be Rome on Norwegian, just announced by DEN on twitter.
https://twitter.com/DENAirport/status/1194224393469251584
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:45 pm

DEN1895 wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
New international route to be announced today.


Looks to be Rome on Norwegian, just announced by DEN on twitter.
https://twitter.com/DENAirport/status/1194224393469251584



Complete details:
Starts 3/31/2020 Ends 10/22/2020
Using a B787-9
2 or 3 times weekly, two at the start and end of service, three through most of the summer.
In Summer 19, Norwegian operated 5 flights a week, in S20 they will be up to 11 flights a week with the frequency increases on Paris and London.

Link to full press release: https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default/files/downloads/19-69%20DEN%20FCO%20FINAL.pdf
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:16 pm

There is rumor of several new Frontier destinations out of Denver (midwest) come next summer also. If these occur, F9's daily flight count will be increased.

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:29 pm

Frontier14 wrote:
There is rumor of several new Frontier destinations out of Denver (midwest) come next summer also. If these occur, F9's daily flight count will be increased.

Frontier 14


redeyes? Or moving to ramp loading next summer? wasn't sure there'd be enough gates with their 8 now.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:26 pm

CALMSP wrote:
Frontier14 wrote:
There is rumor of several new Frontier destinations out of Denver (midwest) come next summer also. If these occur, F9's daily flight count will be increased.

Frontier 14


redeyes? Or moving to ramp loading next summer? wasn't sure there'd be enough gates with their 8 now.


They’ve got 8 gates that they own, but A52, A54, and A60 (a ramp loading gate), even though they’re all listed as common-use, might as well be theirs as well, given that they use all three of these gates for multiple flights each day and nobody else uses them (AC, SY, and G4 occasionally use A52, but I’ve never seen anybody besides F9 use A54 or A60) which pushes their total gates closer to 11. Plus, they’ve recently moved to scheduling a ton of flight for very early morning departures (5am-8am) and using a range of gates between A33-A47 when the international carriers, SY, and B6 (plus UA sometimes) aren’t using them. They’ve figured out a way to have quite a bit more gates besides their 8 owned ones at the disposal.
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:18 pm

F9LASDEN wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
Frontier14 wrote:
There is rumor of several new Frontier destinations out of Denver (midwest) come next summer also. If these occur, F9's daily flight count will be increased.

Frontier 14


redeyes? Or moving to ramp loading next summer? wasn't sure there'd be enough gates with their 8 now.


They’ve got 8 gates that they own, but A52, A54, and A60 (a ramp loading gate), even though they’re all listed as common-use, might as well be theirs as well, given that they use all three of these gates for multiple flights each day and nobody else uses them (AC, SY, and G4 occasionally use A52, but I’ve never seen anybody besides F9 use A54 or A60) which pushes their total gates closer to 11. Plus, they’ve recently moved to scheduling a ton of flight for very early morning departures (5am-8am) and using a range of gates between A33-A47 when the international carriers, SY, and B6 (plus UA sometimes) aren’t using them. They’ve figured out a way to have quite a bit more gates besides their 8 owned ones at the disposal.


A54 is F9's exclusive gate, looking at the current flight schedule they have 8 flights a day operating out of that gate, A60 is a shared gate with Denver Air Connection who uses it throughout the day, currently F9 only has a RON aircraft there with one early morning departure each day. A52 is common use as well with F9 operating 4-5 flights a day out currently. While there is some possibility of F9 using the international gates, UA is also looking to add 50 flights next summer and will probably be using any gates they can. It will be interesting to see how it works out for 2020 until the new gates open in 2021.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:56 am

DEN1895 wrote:
F9LASDEN wrote:
CALMSP wrote:

redeyes? Or moving to ramp loading next summer? wasn't sure there'd be enough gates with their 8 now.


They’ve got 8 gates that they own, but A52, A54, and A60 (a ramp loading gate), even though they’re all listed as common-use, might as well be theirs as well, given that they use all three of these gates for multiple flights each day and nobody else uses them (AC, SY, and G4 occasionally use A52, but I’ve never seen anybody besides F9 use A54 or A60) which pushes their total gates closer to 11. Plus, they’ve recently moved to scheduling a ton of flight for very early morning departures (5am-8am) and using a range of gates between A33-A47 when the international carriers, SY, and B6 (plus UA sometimes) aren’t using them. They’ve figured out a way to have quite a bit more gates besides their 8 owned ones at the disposal.


A54 is F9's exclusive gate, looking at the current flight schedule they have 8 flights a day operating out of that gate, A60 is a shared gate with Denver Air Connection who uses it throughout the day, currently F9 only has a RON aircraft there with one early morning departure each day. A52 is common use as well with F9 operating 4-5 flights a day out currently. While there is some possibility of F9 using the international gates, UA is also looking to add 50 flights next summer and will probably be using any gates they can. It will be interesting to see how it works out for 2020 until the new gates open in 2021.


I didn’t realize that F9 had exclusive use of A54; thanks for that correction. Looking at F9’s gate usage the last few days:

On 11/11, F9 made use of the following common use gates:
A52 had 5 F9 departures:
-6:14am: flight 436 to RSW
-9:47am: flight 779 to LAS (delayed from 6:20am)
-11:50am: flight 44 to ORD (delayed from 5:47am)
-4:36pm: flight 456 to IAD
-10:18pm: flight 573 to SLC
A60 had 3 F9 departures:
-5:09am: flight 474 to JAX
-10:07am: flight 383 to ELP
-9:47pm: flight 460 to MSP
Other common gate usage
-A37: 6:02am- flight 278 to STL
-A43: 10:10pm - flight 791 to PDX
Meanwhile, F9’s exclusive gate usage was as follows:
-A32: 9 flights
-A34: 8 flights
-A36: 11 flights
-A38: 9 flights
-A40: 10 flights
-A42: 10 flights
-A44: 9 flights
-A46: 7 flights
-A54: 7 flights

Today, 11/12, F9 made use of the following common use gates:
A52 had/will have 4 F9 departures:
-7:41am: flight 551 to SAN
-9:57am: flight 405 to LAX
-11:00am: flight 145 to SEA
-9:04pm: flight 122 to DFW
A60 had/will have 2 F9 departures:
-6:06am: flight 458 to MSP
-10:18pm: flight 573 to SLC
Other common gate usage:
-A37: 7:00am - flight 536 to DCA
F9’s exclusive gate usage was/is as follows:
-A32: 9 flights
-A34: 10 flights
-A36: 9 flights
-A38: 7 flights
-A40: 5 flights
-A42: 9 flights
-A44: 9 flights
-A46: 9 flights
-A54: 5 flights
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:42 pm

The airport posted the traffic report for September, there was quite a bit of growth, nearly 11% overall for September, 7.4% year to date. One interesting fact was that international traffic increased nearly 7% while capacity only increased 1% showing an increase in load factor even with the new international routes. Increases are posted below for each major airline:

Airline ...SEP ...YTD
UA ...13.0% ...11.0%
WN ...6.1% ...1.1%
F9 ...16.0% ...14.2%
DL ...9.9% ...5.6%
AA ...8.9% ...-0.6%
BA ...-7.7% ...2.9%
LH ...8.5% ...9.3%
NK ...28.8% ...19.7%

Year to date through September the airport has seen 3.5 million more passengers than last year, at this pace the airport should end the year around 68-70 million passengers for the year.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:43 am

[quote="yuriya"]EK has been picking up the 787-10s recently, perhaps as they replace some a330s and smaller 787s those could perhaps accomodate a DEN route. The problem with Denver is that I think for Asian travel (which the Middle East serves as a transfer hub for), passengers would rather take the UA NRT flight. Further along that line of thinking, I believe that it makes more sense for China Airlines, EVA, Cathay, or some of the other Asian carriers that are loading up on the 787/A350s to come into Denver rather than EK or other Middle Eastern airways.[
what I see as a problem with your analogy? UA can feed the DEN-NRT and DEN-HND route from the 2/3rds of the USA East of Denver where EK cannot do that And? That's IF the 787-10 even has the Legs to ho from the ME to Denver Non-Stop. and that's from either direction I do not doubt the 787-8 or 787-9 or the A350-900 might make it there but the 787-10 or the A35for sure I would doubt it. Not in Both directions for sure without an In Route fuel stop.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:14 pm

Has it been decided yet if WN will take all 16 new gates in C?
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:25 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
Has it been decided yet if WN will take all 16 new gates in C?


I think I’ve read that only UA has so far been guaranteed the gates they’ve asked for, although I’m sure WN will get there too, they just committed to a new hangar.

They have to get B finished so UA stops spilling into A and C, and then get the other carriers in C relocated to A as well.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:35 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Has it been decided yet if WN will take all 16 new gates in C?


I think I’ve read that only UA has so far been guaranteed the gates they’ve asked for, although I’m sure WN will get there too, they just committed to a new hangar.

They have to get B finished so UA stops spilling into A and C, and then get the other carriers in C relocated to A as well.


UA will continue using A Concourse. United is not gaining any gates once the B concourse expansion is done. United had 69 gates prior to construction and will have 69 gates at the conclusion of construction. 50 seater gates are turning into mainline capable gates.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:41 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Has it been decided yet if WN will take all 16 new gates in C?


I think I’ve read that only UA has so far been guaranteed the gates they’ve asked for, although I’m sure WN will get there too, they just committed to a new hangar.

They have to get B finished so UA stops spilling into A and C, and then get the other carriers in C relocated to A as well.


UA will continue using A Concourse. United is not gaining any gates once the B concourse expansion is done. United had 69 gates prior to construction and will have 69 gates at the conclusion of construction. 50 seater gates are turning into mainline capable gates.


69 just on B or overall? And how many will they have on A?
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:53 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:

I think I’ve read that only UA has so far been guaranteed the gates they’ve asked for, although I’m sure WN will get there too, they just committed to a new hangar.

They have to get B finished so UA stops spilling into A and C, and then get the other carriers in C relocated to A as well.


UA will continue using A Concourse. United is not gaining any gates once the B concourse expansion is done. United had 69 gates prior to construction and will have 69 gates at the conclusion of construction. 50 seater gates are turning into mainline capable gates.


69 just on B or overall? And how many will they have on A?


69 just on B. 17 UAX gates on the east end will turn into 13 mainline/E175 gates. And 4 gates will be added on the west end.

I have no idea what the A con plans are. But the operation wont fit on B.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:54 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:

I think I’ve read that only UA has so far been guaranteed the gates they’ve asked for, although I’m sure WN will get there too, they just committed to a new hangar.

They have to get B finished so UA stops spilling into A and C, and then get the other carriers in C relocated to A as well.


UA will continue using A Concourse. United is not gaining any gates once the B concourse expansion is done. United had 69 gates prior to construction and will have 69 gates at the conclusion of construction. 50 seater gates are turning into mainline capable gates.


69 just on B or overall? And how many will they have on A?


The 69 count will just be for B, as JetMatt said about 12 gates are getting upgraded to mainline and 5 will support the E175. Currently UA has 11 ground load positions on the East end of A, they have said this is temporary until construction is complete on B, but I don’t see they leaving. UA also uses the common uses gates during the morning before all of the international flights arrive in the afternoon. They also have a “temporary” gate on C due to the construction on B.

As far as the gates on A and C nothing official has been determined yet as they are still almost two years until completion, however all of the B gates will be complete by summer 2021, with the first 4 coming online next year.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:16 am

DEN1895 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:

UA will continue using A Concourse. United is not gaining any gates once the B concourse expansion is done. United had 69 gates prior to construction and will have 69 gates at the conclusion of construction. 50 seater gates are turning into mainline capable gates.


69 just on B or overall? And how many will they have on A?


The 69 count will just be for B, as JetMatt said about 12 gates are getting upgraded to mainline and 5 will support the E175. Currently UA has 11 ground load positions on the East end of A, they have said this is temporary until construction is complete on B, but I don’t see they leaving. UA also uses the common uses gates during the morning before all of the international flights arrive in the afternoon. They also have a “temporary” gate on C due to the construction on B.

As far as the gates on A and C nothing official has been determined yet as they are still almost two years until completion, however all of the B gates will be complete by summer 2021, with the first 4 coming online next year.


They ought to build a permanent eastern expansion of A when all the other expansions are completed. I’ll bet you could get another 12-15 mainline gates on A with the space you have. That would greatly help, I’m surprised it wasn’t included this time.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:26 am

Here's a map of who has which gates and which ones are common use:

https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default ... nfoMap.pdf

UA is too big to fit under one roof anymore, especially if they're planning to add 50 more departures next summer. Maybe I've missed something, but from the public statements I've seen from UA, they've expressed that they certainly want more gates, though they haven't specifically said where. I believe WN said something publicly about wanting all of C to themselves, is that correct?

I'd like to see UA get more gates in A. With customs in A, it's the natural home for the global hub carrier at DEN. It was always supposed to be the concourse for CO. A United Club or small Polaris Lounge for the LHR/FRA/NRT and LH flights would be nice in there someday.
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:11 am

intotheair wrote:
Here's a map of who has which gates and which ones are common use:

https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default ... nfoMap.pdf

UA is too big to fit under one roof anymore, especially if they're planning to add 50 more departures next summer. Maybe I've missed something, but from the public statements I've seen from UA, they've expressed that they certainly want more gates, though they haven't specifically said where. I believe WN said something publicly about wanting all of C to themselves, is that correct?

I'd like to see UA get more gates in A. With customs in A, it's the natural home for the global hub carrier at DEN. It was always supposed to be the concourse for CO. A United Club or small Polaris Lounge for the LHR/FRA/NRT and LH flights would be nice in there someday.


WN has stated that they would like all 16 gates but I am not sure if they will get all of them or even need all of them. WN stated they want to get DEN up to 300 daily flights and they usually average 8-9 flights a day per gate, with the 16 new gates they would have 41 gates which seems like overkill for 300 flights. Spirit could use one or two more gates as they are moving half as many passengers as AA with only 2 gates. There have also been rumors of Delta moving to C to free up some space on A for UA and F9.

Over on the A side the expansion will only create 3 new gates for lease as the current gates Delta has on the North side will be replace by common use gates. There will be 5 new common use WB spots or 10 NB spots in the new setup as seen below. If UA took some of the common use gates and made them dedicated UA gates they could have additional WB and NB gates as they are fairly limited on WB gates on B with only 5-6. F9 has also stated they would like 12-15 gates up from their current 9, which just complicates things a little further.

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:25 am

DEN1895 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
Here's a map of who has which gates and which ones are common use:

https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default ... nfoMap.pdf

UA is too big to fit under one roof anymore, especially if they're planning to add 50 more departures next summer. Maybe I've missed something, but from the public statements I've seen from UA, they've expressed that they certainly want more gates, though they haven't specifically said where. I believe WN said something publicly about wanting all of C to themselves, is that correct?

I'd like to see UA get more gates in A. With customs in A, it's the natural home for the global hub carrier at DEN. It was always supposed to be the concourse for CO. A United Club or small Polaris Lounge for the LHR/FRA/NRT and LH flights would be nice in there someday.


WN has stated that they would like all 16 gates but I am not sure if they will get all of them or even need all of them. WN stated they want to get DEN up to 300 daily flights and they usually average 8-9 flights a day per gate, with the 16 new gates they would have 41 gates which seems like overkill for 300 flights. Spirit could use one or two more gates as they are moving half as many passengers as AA with only 2 gates. There have also been rumors of Delta moving to C to free up some space on A for UA and F9.

Over on the A side the expansion will only create 3 new gates for lease as the current gates Delta has on the North side will be replace by common use gates. There will be 5 new common use WB spots or 10 NB spots in the new setup as seen below. If UA took some of the common use gates and made them dedicated UA gates they could have additional WB and NB gates as they are fairly limited on WB gates on B with only 5-6. F9 has also stated they would like 12-15 gates up from their current 9, which just complicates things a little further.

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I have a hard time believing that AA or DL would move to C with their clubs being in A, at least willingly.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:57 am

DEN1895 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
Here's a map of who has which gates and which ones are common use:

https://www.flydenver.com/sites/default ... nfoMap.pdf

UA is too big to fit under one roof anymore, especially if they're planning to add 50 more departures next summer. Maybe I've missed something, but from the public statements I've seen from UA, they've expressed that they certainly want more gates, though they haven't specifically said where. I believe WN said something publicly about wanting all of C to themselves, is that correct?

I'd like to see UA get more gates in A. With customs in A, it's the natural home for the global hub carrier at DEN. It was always supposed to be the concourse for CO. A United Club or small Polaris Lounge for the LHR/FRA/NRT and LH flights would be nice in there someday.


WN has stated that they would like all 16 gates but I am not sure if they will get all of them or even need all of them. WN stated they want to get DEN up to 300 daily flights and they usually average 8-9 flights a day per gate, with the 16 new gates they would have 41 gates which seems like overkill for 300 flights. Spirit could use one or two more gates as they are moving half as many passengers as AA with only 2 gates. There have also been rumors of Delta moving to C to free up some space on A for UA and F9.

Over on the A side the expansion will only create 3 new gates for lease as the current gates Delta has on the North side will be replace by common use gates. There will be 5 new common use WB spots or 10 NB spots in the new setup as seen below. If UA took some of the common use gates and made them dedicated UA gates they could have additional WB and NB gates as they are fairly limited on WB gates on B with only 5-6. F9 has also stated they would like 12-15 gates up from their current 9, which just complicates things a little further.

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WN taking all 16 gates isn’t unreasonable, that would allow for about 320 at 8 turns per gate, which is about 100 more flights than they have now. It would be nice for them to have some space to spread out rather than cramming 10-11 turns like they do at most of their airports.

Like I said earlier, A needs to be fully built out to the east so UA can gain more permanent gates. Longer term, UA ought to take over all of A and everyone expect UA/WN/International carriers should move to a Concourse D or East/West Concourse.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:22 pm

If United is going to be spread between the A and B concourses, I wonder what the airport has planned for improving the inter-concourse train service. Currently the trains are packed and this is during a period when 98% of travelers are using the train to get to/from the Terminal. I can't imagine what would happen when you add in a bunch more people trying to get between A and B gates.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:44 pm

AMS-DEN is a top priority for US expansion from AMS, along with HNL, BNA, RDU, CVG, and CLT, they estimate around 27,800 one-way passengers per year.
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:38 pm

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AMS-DEN is a top priority for US expansion from AMS, along with HNL, BNA, RDU, CVG, and CLT, they estimate around 27,800 one-way passengers per year.


Where do you see this?

I’m honestly shocked KL isn’t here.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:46 pm

Any news on Aer Lingus?

I’ve noticed that the Irish Tourism Board has (seemingly) been ramping up its advertising in the Denver TV market.
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:13 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
AMS-DEN is a top priority for US expansion from AMS, along with HNL, BNA, RDU, CVG, and CLT, they estimate around 27,800 one-way passengers per year.


Where do you see this?

I’m honestly shocked KL isn’t here.


Its not publicly available
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:22 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
AMS-DEN is a top priority for US expansion from AMS, along with HNL, BNA, RDU, CVG, and CLT, they estimate around 27,800 one-way passengers per year.


Where do you see this?

I’m honestly shocked KL isn’t here.


Its not publicly available


Interesting.

DEN, BNA and RDU make sense for DL or KL, I suspect its a matter of when for all 3. I’m surprised KL chose AUS over DEN.

CVG is maybe, but is not a hot growth market like the aforementioned 3.

HNL doesn’t have any flights to Europe, I’d think LHR/LGW would come first and CLT is a major AA hub, so AA would have to feel up to adding it there.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:43 am

AMS seems like it has to happen eventually, just a question of who. UA, KY, or an outside shot of DY.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:19 am

During the past several Christmas seasons, Delta has used the 767-300 and 767-400 on the Atlanta flight. Now that they are at the end of Concourse A, I assume this is no longer possible as they no longer have a widebody capable gate?
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:36 am

Last Christmas season Delta used A31 for widebody use. This season, they are using all 737-900 on DEN-ATL.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:54 am

DENflyer10 wrote:
OA412 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
As much of a DEN homer as I am, I can't imagine too many more overseas adds besides more transatlantic. The ME3 and TK have slowed their growth, and even DEN might be a stretch for them. No other Asia destination seems as obvious of a slam dunk as UA to NRT was, either.

They certainly are slowing growth, so I don't think we'll see any of them in DEN soon. However, when things pick up again, I actually think the best bet is TK on a 789. It would be the right sized aircraft to start such a route, and it's a shorter route than DXB, so you don't run into tire speed issues. Also, IST is just a better position hub to feed some Southern and Eastern European points, in addition to all the Middle East, than is DXB.


Found a few good articles that talk about unserved intl markets. IST may not be in the cards soon since traffic dropped 40% since their terror attacks years ago and may not rebound soon. From what I could discern, Amsterdam, Dublin, Rome and Beijing are the biggest intl markets that don't have nonstop service from Denver yet. What's also interesting is about the 20% avg. of passengers that are only traveling directly to Tokyo (UA) or Frankfurt (LH) and the rest are connecting to other cities from those large hubs. Hopefully we see Air China in Denver soon.

https://www.summitdaily.com/news/denver ... d-markets/

https://coloradosun.com/2018/11/14/denv ... ights-dia/[/quotealiker
I would think there HAS to be a damn good business case made to connect DEN-IST. especially if Turkish isn't doing it already. Just because it Isn't being done? Dwe need to? Out of EWR. JFK or IAD? I might see the case, But DEN? You might have to sell that one. DEN-LHR, DEN-CDG, DEN-FRA and/ or DEN MAD, I can see those and a few more, But IST? That might be a bridge too far even with the 788...
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:05 am

strfyr51 wrote:
DENflyer10 wrote:
OA412 wrote:
They certainly are slowing growth, so I don't think we'll see any of them in DEN soon. However, when things pick up again, I actually think the best bet is TK on a 789. It would be the right sized aircraft to start such a route, and it's a shorter route than DXB, so you don't run into tire speed issues. Also, IST is just a better position hub to feed some Southern and Eastern European points, in addition to all the Middle East, than is DXB.


Found a few good articles that talk about unserved intl markets. IST may not be in the cards soon since traffic dropped 40% since their terror attacks years ago and may not rebound soon. From what I could discern, Amsterdam, Dublin, Rome and Beijing are the biggest intl markets that don't have nonstop service from Denver yet. What's also interesting is about the 20% avg. of passengers that are only traveling directly to Tokyo (UA) or Frankfurt (LH) and the rest are connecting to other cities from those large hubs. Hopefully we see Air China in Denver soon.

https://www.summitdaily.com/news/denver ... d-markets/

https://coloradosun.com/2018/11/14/denv ... ights-dia/[/quotealiker
I would think there HAS to be a damn good business case made to connect DEN-IST. especially if Turkish isn't doing it already. Just because it Isn't being done? Dwe need to? Out of EWR. JFK or IAD? I might see the case, But DEN? You might have to sell that one. DEN-LHR, DEN-CDG, DEN-FRA and/ or DEN MAD, I can see those and a few more, But IST? That might be a bridge too far even with the 788...


What frequencies would Air China use? DEN-PEK is far from the largest US-China market without service and unlike NH, connections are not easily sold on UA/CA tickets.

DEN-Asia isn’t that big and a daily flight to TYO should suffice. If anything, they can increase the aircraft size to a 777 if they want more capacity. I’d think what’s more logical is another summer seasonal flight to Europe.

This said, UA doesn’t really have a jack of all trades hub like DFW or ATL. Because of that their hubs are relegated to forming specific network functions in addition to O&D capture. EWR is the gateway to Europe, SFO is Asia, IAH is Latin America, and DEN is the domestic connector. That’s why I don’t look for anymore long haul expansions from DEN on UA.
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:26 am

DIA might just need Terminal A built out like B and C and add a D as it's going to get pretty crowded pretty Quick! Unfortunately?
We didn't see this coming some years ago because DIA went from an Airport nobody wanted? To the talk of the Town. Which is a far Cry from where they started when Stapleton Closed. I must say that I did not see this coming. I think they'll soon need a major expansion out on to the arsenal lands at this rate because the east-west connecting traffic will need to be addressed and United is already at or near their limit, WN needs space for sure and F9 will need space as well, Could be a new terminal might be the best bet but the question lS? Who commits to it? if UA commits to it? Will it be all theirs? What about AA or DL? or even WN? could F9 or NK make such a commitment? Time will tell. My question is ? do they or will they need a dedicated new international Terminal FIRST?
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:57 am

strfyr51 wrote:
DIA might just need Terminal A built out like B and C and add a D as it's going to get pretty crowded pretty Quick! Unfortunately?
We didn't see this coming some years ago because DIA went from an Airport nobody wanted? To the talk of the Town. Which is a far Cry from where they started when Stapleton Closed. I must say that I did not see this coming. I think they'll soon need a major expansion out on to the arsenal lands at this rate because the east-west connecting traffic will need to be addressed and United is already at or near their limit, WN needs space for sure and F9 will need space as well, Could be a new terminal might be the best bet but the question lS? Who commits to it? if UA commits to it? Will it be all theirs? What about AA or DL? or even WN? could F9 or NK make such a commitment? Time will tell. My question is ? do they or will they need a dedicated new international Terminal FIRST?


The airport has plenty of space to expand where it is at currently, there is no need to expand into the arsenal. While there is no timeline for expansion after the current round of expansion, both A and C still have room to be expanded. While international traffic is growing, only 3.1% of the traffic requires customs so there is no reason to build a dedicated international terminal as it would only serve about 4-5 thousand passengers a day.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:07 am

With the release of the Southwest schedule for the summer, it shows how much WN plans on increasing their schedule next summer, here is an excerpt from the Denver Business Journal article today:

On Wednesday, Southwest said it will add service service out Denver, flying 240 weekday departures in May before upping that number to 249 in June. That will represent the most flights Southwest will have ever operated out of Denver.

With United increasing their flight count to 550 next summer, the airport should see continued growth, both airlines are probably somewhat dependent on the MAX returning to service before next Summer.

Full article: https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2019/12/11/southwest-denver-flights-summer-2020.html?iana=hpmvp_den_news_headline
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:31 pm

December Construction Update:
Concourse A/C expansions - Both of these projects started around similar times and are similar in size, both have their excavation mostly complete and work is underway on the foundations and elevator shafts. Below is a picture of C, but A looks nearly identical.
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Concourse B West - The furthest along with the entire steel structure complete, currently work is being completed on the utilities and the structure at the ramp level, here are two pictures from the ramp level.
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Concourse B East - Most of the ground work is complete and work is continuing on the foundation, while not a great picture gives an idea of the site.
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Southwest Hangar - Vertical construction for both the hangar and administrative building are underway, sadly no picture currently but I will try to get one soon.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:23 pm

Major issues with the trains this morning causing all sorts of delays
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:19 am

The airport posted the traffic report for October, 6.5% overall for October, 7.3% year to date. For the first time this month the airport also posted the amount of O&D and connecting passengers, for the year the totals are: Connecting = 35.7%, O&D = 64.3. Connecting passengers has decreased .1% since 2018. Increases are posted below for each major airline:

Airline ...OCT ...YTD
UA .......6.7% ...10.6%
WN ......-.1% ....0.9%
F9 .......16.9% ..14.5%
DL .......8.0% ....5.8%
AA .......3.7% ...-0.2%
BA .......8.4% ....3.5%
LH ......10.9% ....9.4%
NK ......38.2% ...21.5%

The airport is currently on track to finish with a passenger count of 69-70 million, below is a picture of the steel work that has recently started on Concourse C.
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:30 pm

I can't wait until they finish the work at the east end of C. They way they have Spirit and SW jammed in there now is horrible.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:25 pm

DEN1895 wrote:
The airport posted the traffic report for October, 6.5% overall for October, 7.3% year to date. For the first time this month the airport also posted the amount of O&D and connecting passengers, for the year the totals are: Connecting = 35.7%, O&D = 64.3. Connecting passengers has decreased .1% since 2018. Increases are posted below for each major airline:

Airline ...OCT ...YTD
UA .......6.7% ...10.6%
WN ......-.1% ....0.9%
F9 .......16.9% ..14.5%
DL .......8.0% ....5.8%
AA .......3.7% ...-0.2%
BA .......8.4% ....3.5%
LH ......10.9% ....9.4%
NK ......38.2% ...21.5%

The airport is currently on track to finish with a passenger count of 69-70 million, below is a picture of the steel work that has recently started on Concourse C.
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Thanks to DEN1895 for this information and the photos of the ongoing construction of the new gates on each concourse. Assume the poster works at Denver International having access to the construction progress. This is nice to see these images since the general public does not get such good progress info from the airport administration

Are there projected completion dates for each new gate phase?

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:58 pm

Frontier14 wrote:

Thanks to DEN1895 for this information and the photos of the ongoing construction of the new gates on each concourse. Assume the poster works at Denver International having access to the construction progress. This is nice to see these images since the general public does not get such good progress info from the airport administration

Are there projected completion dates for each new gate phase?

Frontier 14


You would be correct, I will try to either take or find pictures of the construction projects throughout the next few years. As of a few months ago here are the expected completion dates for each project:

B West: Q3/Q4 2020
B East: Q2/Q3 2021
C East: Q3/Q4 2021
A West: Q3/Q4 2021

A East is the most complex with the customs corridors and will finish last, but should still be finished before the end of 2021.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:56 am

DEN1895 wrote:
The airport posted the traffic report for October, 6.5% overall for October, 7.3% year to date. For the first time this month the airport also posted the amount of O&D and connecting passengers, for the year the totals are: Connecting = 35.7%, O&D = 64.3. Connecting passengers has decreased .1% since 2018. Increases are posted below for each major airline:

Airline ...OCT ...YTD
UA .......6.7% ...10.6%
WN ......-.1% ....0.9%
F9 .......16.9% ..14.5%
DL .......8.0% ....5.8%
AA .......3.7% ...-0.2%
BA .......8.4% ....3.5%
LH ......10.9% ....9.4%
NK ......38.2% ...21.5%

The airport is currently on track to finish with a passenger count of 69-70 million, below is a picture of the steel work that has recently started on Concourse C.
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Wow, WN must be pretty ticked right now. They can’t do any major growth right now and it’s certainly showing here.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:28 am

UA 2429 from Newark had a rough landing tonight on 17R, it appears the left main landing gear collapsed causing the plane to come to rest on the engine. No one was injured and everyone was bused from the plane. There are some initial reports of damage to the engine and the wing, luckily this happened after the bulk of the traffic went through the airport today so it caused little impact, here are some photos from the passengers on board:

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:38 am

Was wondering what was going on at work. Saw a bunch of emergency lights.

You'd think they would have mentioned something to us.
 
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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:23 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
Was wondering what was going on at work. Saw a bunch of emergency lights.

You'd think they would have mentioned something to us.

The Denver Post has an article posted now, along with a picture of a 737 Classic in livery that hasn’t been used in 15 years
 
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