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Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:43 am

I started this thread in the hope that folks here interested in aviation developments in DPRK would be able to learn about and discuss them in a single-thread space, as I noted some DPRK related threads (still limited in number though) generated quite an amount of interest among Anetters last year

Now with the situation on the Korean Peninsular likely to further stabilize due to multilateral efforts, will there be any further nice happenings with DPRK and Air Koryo in aviation building on last year’s positive momentum? Let’s keep close watch

For the opening post, there’s a route in the works for Air Koryo/JS

http://www.chinanews.com/wap/detail/zw/ ... 4511.shtml

The Chinese report says that China’s northeastern Yanji City in Jilin Province bordering DPRK is planning to re-open Yanji/YNJ-Pyongyang/FNJ service by Air Koryo on a 3x weekly rotation during May-Oct this year, which, if proven a success, could be extended year-round with 3 or 4 weekly frequencies in 2020

This is really good news to JS for a route like this given the sizable population of Chinese ppl of Korean ethnicity in Yanji
Wondering whether JS would get any subsidies from the local Chinese gov’t

You may refer to a few topics discussed in 2018:
North Korea requests opening of new international air routes and shows willingness to open its FIR to South Korea
Rumor: Air Koryo to launch a weekly FNJ-CTU charter service starting from June 28
Air Koryo resumes twice-weekly flights to Shanghai starting from May 31
Air Koryo speculations
(BTW, the reported FNJ-CTU didn’t happen)
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:48 am

From Routes online, it seems JS is still currently operating the IL-62 twice-weekly to Vladivostock.
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:02 am

TC957 wrote:
From Routes online, it seems JS is still currently operating the IL-62 twice-weekly to Vladivostock.


mmm..no..I fear not..the flight is listed as a Tu-204. Still, not bad.
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:22 am

oldannyboy wrote:
TC957 wrote:
From Routes online, it seems JS is still currently operating the IL-62 twice-weekly to Vladivostock.


mmm..no..I fear not..the flight is listed as a Tu-204. Still, not bad.

You are right, flight JS271 is on T204 now, was on An 148 not a long time go, flight is little over an hour, no point of sending big birds
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:51 am

ikarlson wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
TC957 wrote:
From Routes online, it seems JS is still currently operating the IL-62 twice-weekly to Vladivostock.


mmm..no..I fear not..the flight is listed as a Tu-204. Still, not bad.

You are right, flight JS271 is on T204 now, was on An 148 not a long time go, flight is little over an hour, no point of sending big birds


... Had it been on the IL-62 I might have considered the trek to Vladivostok just for the sake of flying that beauty! And of course take the chance to visit Pyongyang.
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:58 am

Does anyone know how many passengers per year FNJ handles?
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:05 am

Absolutely VVO still gets Il-62s, we had a Russian customer on the October 2018 Juche Travel Services aviation tour who joined via VVO and he got the Il-18 one way and the Il-62 the other way. They use the 62 because it’s the same crew as Air Force Un and keeps them current when the leader isn’t travelling, and saves having to do training flights.

No aviation tour in 2019 but hopefully 2020.

Btw DPRK visitor numbers? 20,000 Chinese a year and 5,000 rest of the world. Don’t know how many DPRK citizens are able to travel but it would be a very low number, maybe another 20,000 trips on top. And those numbers include the train.
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:58 pm

http://sggpnews.org.vn/national/north-k ... 80450.html

An IL-76 MD transport aircraft belonging to North Korean air carrier Air Koryo carrying dozens of security and support staff for the meeting between North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and U.S. President Donald Trump reportedly arrived at HAN this afternoon Feb 24th ahead of the second summit that will take place in Hanoi on February 27-28
Will the meeting bring about any further positive developments to NK civil aviation? Let's see
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:05 pm

Does anyone know what happened to the P-672? Is it stored at FNJ? I haven't seen it on the radar for more than a year.

Does the P-836 still exist or has it been broken up?
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:20 pm

I didn't want to open a new treat for that but it seems Air Koryo is looking at Russia to buy two new frames:

https://fr.sputniknews.com/internationa ... ns-civils/

https://www.nknews.org/2019/04/north-ko ... yang-told/

Does anyone have any idea for which model they could go for? Tu-204? Il-96?
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:44 pm

SR380 wrote:
I didn't want to open a new treat for that but it seems Air Koryo is looking at Russia to buy two new frames:

https://fr.sputniknews.com/internationa ... ns-civils/

https://www.nknews.org/2019/04/north-ko ... yang-told/

Does anyone have any idea for which model they could go for? Tu-204? Il-96?

Maybe Russianized version of SSJ? Given that the example route was only FNJ-VVO
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:51 pm

c933103 wrote:
SR380 wrote:
I didn't want to open a new treat for that but it seems Air Koryo is looking at Russia to buy two new frames:

https://fr.sputniknews.com/internationa ... ns-civils/

https://www.nknews.org/2019/04/north-ko ... yang-told/

Does anyone have any idea for which model they could go for? Tu-204? Il-96?

Maybe Russianized version of SSJ? Given that the example route was only FNJ-VVO


Do russian still produce a version of the Antonov 148? I recall some of the aircrafts being built in Russia. Is the Tu-204 still in production?
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:53 pm

c933103 wrote:
SR380 wrote:
I didn't want to open a new treat for that but it seems Air Koryo is looking at Russia to buy two new frames:

https://fr.sputniknews.com/internationa ... ns-civils/

https://www.nknews.org/2019/04/north-ko ... yang-told/

Does anyone have any idea for which model they could go for? Tu-204? Il-96?

Maybe Russianized version of SSJ? Given that the example route was only FNJ-VVO


They could use one of the Tu 204 they already have to fly to VVO. In the high season a capacity boost on PEK could be needed. I hope to see them going for one of those old Domodedovo frame
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:09 pm

SR380 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
SR380 wrote:
I didn't want to open a new treat for that but it seems Air Koryo is looking at Russia to buy two new frames:

https://fr.sputniknews.com/internationa ... ns-civils/

https://www.nknews.org/2019/04/north-ko ... yang-told/

Does anyone have any idea for which model they could go for? Tu-204? Il-96?

Maybe Russianized version of SSJ? Given that the example route was only FNJ-VVO


They could use one of the Tu 204 they already have to fly to VVO. In the high season a capacity boost on PEK could be needed. I hope to see them going for one of those old Domodedovo frame


I seriously doubt Air Koryo would be opting for a wide body aircraft. Most likely additional Tu-204s or maybe the sanction abiding version of the SSJ would make sense.
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:23 am

Melbourne wrote:
SR380 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
Maybe Russianized version of SSJ? Given that the example route was only FNJ-VVO


They could use one of the Tu 204 they already have to fly to VVO. In the high season a capacity boost on PEK could be needed. I hope to see them going for one of those old Domodedovo frame


I seriously doubt Air Koryo would be opting for a wide body aircraft. Most likely additional Tu-204s or maybe the sanction abiding version of the SSJ would make sense.

They gotta move their NK expat slave labor some how.
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:06 am

TWA772LR wrote:
Melbourne wrote:
SR380 wrote:

They could use one of the Tu 204 they already have to fly to VVO. In the high season a capacity boost on PEK could be needed. I hope to see them going for one of those old Domodedovo frame


I seriously doubt Air Koryo would be opting for a wide body aircraft. Most likely additional Tu-204s or maybe the sanction abiding version of the SSJ would make sense.

They gotta move their NK expat slave labor some how.


They have been doing that successfully with what they have now, I mean they flew as far as Kuwait until these increased were imposed on them.
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:25 am

Melbourne wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Melbourne wrote:

I seriously doubt Air Koryo would be opting for a wide body aircraft. Most likely additional Tu-204s or maybe the sanction abiding version of the SSJ would make sense.

They gotta move their NK expat slave labor some how.


They have been doing that successfully with what they have now, I mean they flew as far as Kuwait until these increased were imposed on them.


Flights to KWI use to make a fuel stop in China or Pakistan. I still think there is 3 main reason an IL-96 could be needed. To operate on the FNJ-PEK trunk route. During peak season, passengers and cargo demand could justify such a flight (from what I read; I am looking to find the source). It could also be used to replace Chamme-1, as obviously, Marshal Kim Jong Un doesn't like to fly with the current Il-62 (reliability or image convey...).
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:11 am

Would be funny if Air Koryo got a deal on a frame of the upcoming Il-96-400M for Kim since it probably won’t have many, if any, real customers.
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:42 am

Pudelhund wrote:
Would be funny if Air Koryo got a deal on a frame of the upcoming Il-96-400M for Kim since it probably won’t have many, if any, real customers.


I though of that. But considering the price, I would assume he would take a used Rossiya frame, while Vladimir would fly on a new Il-96-400.
 
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:49 am

Didn't Red Wings just retire their Tu-204? Air Koryo already got one of those. Maybe they will take the other frames now as well.
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Re: Air Koryo and FNJ Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:52 am

SR380 wrote:
Melbourne wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
They gotta move their NK expat slave labor some how.


They have been doing that successfully with what they have now, I mean they flew as far as Kuwait until these increased were imposed on them.


Flights to KWI use to make a fuel stop in China or Pakistan. I still think there is 3 main reason an IL-96 could be needed. To operate on the FNJ-PEK trunk route. During peak season, passengers and cargo demand could justify such a flight (from what I read; I am looking to find the source). It could also be used to replace Chamme-1, as obviously, Marshal Kim Jong Un doesn't like to fly with the current Il-62 (reliability or image convey...).


Seriously, Air Koryo can't even maintain daily flights to Beijing how can they operate a wide body jet on the route? And to add to that only 50,000 tourists visited North Korea in a year so that kind of proves that 50,000 plus say even double that for what ever other passengers flew into/out of North Korea would not even see the need for a wide body on any services.

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