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Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:22 pm

The A380 schedule for Malaysia Airlines is slowly vanishing. After placing the A350 in the LHR route and moving the A380s to Tokyo and Seoul, those routes are slowly being switched to smaller aircraft too. The A380 was also added to Hajj flights, but just a handful of those. In spite of previous denials, it appears Malaysia is parking them.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:26 pm

It certainly looks bad for the MH380's soon. Galileo just shows a daily to ICN until 30 Mar, a daily to NRT to 30 Apr and a weekly to JED to 25 Mar. Then nothing at all. Sad they can't make them work, would have thought SYD would be a good destination.
 
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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:50 pm

They could have been sold multiple times, just not at book value. The disparity between depreciation periods and residual values in the industry is surprisingly wide, reflecting in part the preference for some airlines to buy new for economic life, versus others replacing at finite periods.
 
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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:51 pm

I searched news sites and I have not seen any communication from Malaysia about the A380 since December 2017. At that time, they confirmed the A380 would remain in service.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:53 pm

I can see airlines like QF, BA, LH, and AF flying the whale, but Malaysia? Never made much sense to me.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:00 am

Only BA for Heathrow slot issues and Qantas for capacity needed he A380. AF and LH never needed a flying whale, a 77W or 748 would have been enough.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:07 am

They fly them regularly to MED.
They were perfect fit for ANA, better than brand new costly ones.
 
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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:12 am

Aren't they getting a cabin refresh?
 
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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:24 am

They are not due to cabin refresh, and will remain in property until further notice. They have proven to be helpful during peak period when sometime they (some cases oddly) going to Hong Kong, Incheon and Narita. Sydney does not work out because the load is very inconsistent and Mh didn't want to risk flooding the market with more seat previously when D7 was fighting with them tooth and nail. Now that D7 has backed down, MH may (a BIG may) have a chance to do so. Few issues remains: cabin services, yield and consistent load. Not forgetting their partnership with EK has drained most pax to EK side. EK has four, sometimes five daily flight into KUL.

Recently one of their A380 9M-MNC (if I remember correctly) has fuel tank contamination issue, grounded for some time while engineer cleaned the big bird.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:30 am

I could see QF picking up these birds.

Ironically, if Airbus decide to end the A380 line I could see these aircraft increasing in value (from a very low starting point). Airlines who want to maintain their fleets of A380's into the late 2020's may see value in these newer aircraft as a source of back up capacity / parts for their aging fleets.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:14 am

travelhound wrote:
I could see QF picking up these birds.

Ironically, if Airbus decide to end the A380 line I could see these aircraft increasing in value (from a very low starting point). Airlines who want to maintain their fleets of A380's into the late 2020's may see value in these newer aircraft as a source of back up capacity / parts for their aging fleets.


I doubt QF will go near them, they have A380s on order they don't want and keep kicking those orders down the road.
QF's 747s are being replaced by 787s.

if HiFly are having enough success with their existing one, potentially, but I think even that would be a stretch.

BA have a number of 747s that need replacing, but that would depend on engine compatability.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:31 am

jfk777 wrote:
Only BA for Heathrow slot issues and Qantas for capacity needed he A380. AF and LH never needed a flying whale, a 77W or 748 would have been enough.


QF don't need additional 380, they still have 8 on order which is highly unlikely to be delivered. So why buying 2nd hand from MH
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:06 am

hongkongflyer wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Only BA for Heathrow slot issues and Qantas for capacity needed he A380. AF and LH never needed a flying whale, a 77W or 748 would have been enough.


QF don't need additional 380, they still have 8 on order which is highly unlikely to be delivered. So why buying 2nd hand from MH

In addition, after QF dreadful experience with two ex-MH 744 back during Asian Financial Crisis, I am not sure if QF is still keen to buy anything from MH.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:38 am

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I can see airlines like QF, BA, LH, and AF flying the whale, but Malaysia? Never made much sense to me.

AF is on record saying in hindsight the purchase was a mistake and they wish they had never purchased them.

Re QF comments...
I can't see QF getting any additional 380's either.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:58 am

Not sure what sort of condition these aircraft are in. The only airline i could see interested would be BA but they might be holding out for Singapore to retire some well looked after aircraft.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:45 am

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hongkongflyer wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Only BA for Heathrow slot issues and Qantas for capacity needed he A380. AF and LH never needed a flying whale, a 77W or 748 would have been enough.


QF don't need additional 380, they still have 8 on order which is highly unlikely to be delivered. So why buying 2nd hand from MH


I think QF could do with one or two more, but don’t want to pay full price to airbus. That money is better spent on 320s for JQ or potentially 350s for ULH. They could use one or two frame - SYD-DFW/LAX back to daily and year round SYD/MEL-HKG.
But QF only need one or two, not worth buying new at the right price from MH maybe... problem is MH want full price. What engines doe MH have? BA seems like a more likely candidate.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:48 am

travelhound wrote:
I could see QF picking up these birds.


Qantas would rather get rid of their own first chance they can get, there is less than zero chance of them picking up any more.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:52 am

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travelhound wrote:
I could see QF picking up these birds.


Qantas would rather get rid of their own first chance they can get, there is less than zero chance of them picking up any more.


This seems and A.net rumour. They are about to refurb their cabins this year... not the behaviour of an airline that wants to get rid of them. They are are adjusting and rebalancing their fleet. But the 380s are perfectly useful as designed for hubs, slot controlled or where longhaul where freq doesn’t matter- SYD/MEL-SIN/LHR/LAX/HKG admittedly DFW pushes the range a bit, but does the job well enough.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:57 am

aviationaware wrote:
travelhound wrote:
I could see QF picking up these birds.


Qantas would rather get rid of their own first chance they can get, there is less than zero chance of them picking up any more.

For LHR and LAX nothing smaller will do.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:02 am

smi0006 wrote:
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hongkongflyer wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Only BA for Heathrow slot issues and Qantas for capacity needed he A380. AF and LH never needed a flying whale, a 77W or 748 would have been enough.


QF don't need additional 380, they still have 8 on order which is highly unlikely to be delivered. So why buying 2nd hand from MH


I think QF could do with one or two more, but don’t want to pay full price to airbus. That money is better spent on 320s for JQ or potentially 350s for ULH. They could use one or two frame - SYD-DFW/LAX back to daily and year round SYD/MEL-HKG.
But QF only need one or two, not worth buying new at the right price from MH maybe... problem is MH want full price. What engines doe MH have? BA seems like a more likely candidate.


If you analyse the book value of QF's aircraft assets against the profits they generate the JQ A320's would be at the top of that order.

QF's domestic fleet of 737's isn't that far behind but with the caveat the average age of that fleet is hovering around the 12 year mark. QF will need to start investing in that fleet in very near future.

Unfortunately for the A380QF International has the lowest ROI of all the QF airlines. This is probably more a consequence of the size of the airline and its standing in the market rather than the merits (or lack thereof) of the A380.

I'd suggest the QF international network is fundamentally limited by available aircraft capacity and as such QF customers have no option but to use a multitude of other airlines for their international flying.

I'd suggest additional A380's could give QF instant capacity that would allow them to have a more complete network.

With approximately 40% of SIA and CX revenues coming from the Australian market there should be plenty of opportunity to outflank these two airlines which fundamentally use their home base as a hub.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:43 am

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Only BA for Heathrow slot issues and Qantas for capacity needed he A380. AF and LH never needed a flying whale, a 77W or 748 would have been enough.


AF didn't need the A380s, though LH did cities like SFO, LAX, IAH, DEL, HKG, SIN, and etc, make money for LH with the A380 premium capacity. I seen flights on LH A380 sold out in F and J J or oversold.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:49 am

AF have had a few internal problems like strikes and such. This is why they can't fill their big aircraft now. Air France has proven before that they can fill big airplanes and they operated huge fleets of 747, 777 and A380s.
Bring back AF to normal and their fleet can be filled again including their A380. This is no indication that some A380 does not work. However their A380 cabins must be as modern as the rest of their fleet.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:54 am

Wonder why it doesn't seem to be will from lessor companies or tour operators to go after 2nd hand A380's?

Thinking of Wamos 744's and in the not so distant past tour operator Air Pullmantur also flying a 744,

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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:54 am

Just to let everyone know - May & June would probably be a lull month this year, because of the Ramadhan & Eid celebrations. July/August would probably see increased loads for Hajj so who knows, maybe MH is parking it for a few months to get it prepared for the Hajj influx.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:10 am

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AF have had a few internal problems like strikes and such. This is why they can't fill their big aircraft now. Air France has proven before that they can fill big airplanes and they operated huge fleets of 747, 777 and A380s.
Bring back AF to normal and their fleet can be filled again including their A380. This is no indication that some A380 does not work. However their A380 cabins must be as modern as the rest of their fleet.


You don't seem to be aware that AF recently announced they will ground half of their A380 frames, going from 10 to 5.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:53 am

Yes I am aware. Seems to support my point that something with AF itself is wrong and not with the A380. CDG is the mother of all hub airports and could be A380 paradise.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:11 pm

Honestly, for airlines that need Hajj capacity... why doesn't Saudia buy them and use them for pilgrims?
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:27 pm

Noshow wrote:
Yes I am aware. Seems to support my point that something with AF itself is wrong and not with the A380. CDG is the mother of all hub airports and could be A380 paradise.


No it does not. pointing to historical fleets of 747s etc. Doesnt take into account the changing industry with more efficient aircraft, the market dynamics and competition or the fact that the days of flying a huge aircraft half empty are over.

The market has clearly spoken and it mirrors what AF thinks about the a380.

MH has the worlds biggest inferiority complex and ordered them out of pride. Now they are stuck with a sunk cost fallacy syndrome, resulting in flailing half thought out ideas like the hajj charters and their "business suite".
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:45 pm

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I can see airlines like QF, BA, LH, and AF flying the whale, but Malaysia? Never made much sense to me.

CX, historically one of Asia's most premium airlines (alongside SQ), would have done a brilliant job with the A380. CX allowed SQ to steal its thunder and gave SQ all the first-to-fly-the-A380 bragging rights. OTOH, in trying to keep up with SQ, a huffing-and-puffing-and-panting MH cut much more coat than it had cloth. Look where it has ended up now.

P.S. There is a fair bit of Qantas and Air France in this thread. You are requested not to deviate from Malaysia Airlines.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:10 pm

VTCIE wrote:
DDR wrote:
I can see airlines like QF, BA, LH, and AF flying the whale, but Malaysia? Never made much sense to me.

CX, historically one of Asia's most premium airlines (alongside SQ), would have done a brilliant job with the A380. CX allowed SQ to steal its thunder and gave SQ all the first-to-fly-the-A380 bragging rights. OTOH, in trying to keep up with SQ, a huffing-and-puffing-and-panting MH cut much more coat than it had cloth. Look where it has ended up now.

P.S. There is a fair bit of Qantas and Air France in this thread. You are requested not to deviate from Malaysia Airlines.


The A380 could have worked at Cathay but the 77W does it better. Last July waiting to fly from Hong Kong to LHR watching them load the 777 it was impressive how many pallets of freight that 777 could load plus all the luggage. CX is a huge cargo airline, the 777 allows for frequencies to cities like JFK, LAX and LHR plus all that cargo. An A380 could fly tons of people but loads less cargo then all those 777 could. An A380 configured for Cathay would be a beautiful thing with an all premium upper deck and lots of Premium Economy, but how would Cathay transport their cargo ?

Malaysian purchased the A380 for keeping up with the " Jones", aka Singapore Airlines. It was for the glory of Malaysia and a terrible decision which they are licking their wounds about.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:40 pm

I certainly hope they don't end the line!
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:24 pm

Noshow wrote:
AF have had a few internal problems like strikes and such. This is why they can't fill their big aircraft now. Air France has proven before that they can fill big airplanes and they operated huge fleets of 747, 777 and A380s.
Bring back AF to normal and their fleet can be filled again including their A380. This is no indication that some A380 does not work. However their A380 cabins must be as modern as the rest of their fleet.


AF A380 flights are filled up. And believe me, the few strikes and « internal problems » never affected the load factors.
The A380 is simply not the right aircraft for AF type of business and routes.
AF will get rid of the 5 leased aircraft, 2 of them leaving the fleet as soon as end 2019.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:26 pm

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I can see airlines like QF, BA, LH, and AF flying the whale, but Malaysia? Never made much sense to me.


MH only got the A380 because SQ did
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:17 pm

blooc350 wrote:
DDR wrote:
I can see airlines like QF, BA, LH, and AF flying the whale, but Malaysia? Never made much sense to me.


MH only got the A380 because SQ did

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I certainly hope they don't end the line!


Why? it's hurting the company to keep it open
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:44 am

Why hasn't BA considered at least trying to lease the A388s from MH? BA could use the A388 on a lot of premium non-JFK routes.
 
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I certainly hope they don't end the line!


Why? it's hurting the company to keep it open


Again, they've said it's only a material loss. If it can be absorbed long enough to see what the market does as we approach the 2030s, then why not. The A320/1 and A330 has been cash cows for them. The A320/1 will continue to be, as will the A350 now as it begins ramp-up with all the certifications done. Maybe even to some extent the A330N.

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https://m.phys.org/news/2018-10-air-traffic-iata.html

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Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:39 am

Aren't they going to be kept and used for flights to Hajj in several months from now?
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:32 pm

The A380 will soldier on with the current operators. Those on lease will find them returned to lessor when their leases expire or their leases will be extended on a month to month basis with their current operator at lease rates favorable to the operator as most have limited resale rates. Some may find new homes if they are newer builds in excellent condition The A380 is a niche aircraft where their best use is high density configuration or where there is a real slot restriction and the aircraft can carry large load factors even if they need to reduce frequency.
Airlines that own them will operate them until they are fully depreciated and can be operated without a large operating loss until they can be disposed of.
It is not really practical to convert them to some kind of freighter mode due to their large size and floor load limits.
Airbus built the A380 as a way to take the wind out of the 747s sails and it did not work as the 747 was already starting to loose it's desirability. The main reason there will be an interest in the 747 freighter with a very limited market for the 747i and Boeing may have little interest in that model unless there is suddenly an interest in the 747i The 747 freighter will continue to soldier on due to its nose door option and ability to carry heavier loads for the foreseeable future. Whereas the A380 is finding itself on life support due to its limited production and coming surplus of used A380s flooding the market and most making a flight to the scrapper. Bothe the A380 and 747 are good aircraft but they are past their peak and find fewer operators interested in them. The 747 has had a longer life than the A380 and may fly further into the future the the A380. :old:
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:34 pm

Obzerva wrote:
travelhound wrote:
I could see QF picking up these birds.

Ironically, if Airbus decide to end the A380 line I could see these aircraft increasing in value (from a very low starting point). Airlines who want to maintain their fleets of A380's into the late 2020's may see value in these newer aircraft as a source of back up capacity / parts for their aging fleets.


I doubt QF will go near them, they have A380s on order they don't want and keep kicking those orders down the road.
QF's 747s are being replaced by 787s.

if HiFly are having enough success with their existing one, potentially, but I think even that would be a stretch.

BA have a number of 747s that need replacing, but that would depend on engine compatability.


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Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:37 am

VTCIE wrote:
DDR wrote:
I can see airlines like QF, BA, LH, and AF flying the whale, but Malaysia? Never made much sense to me.

CX, historically one of Asia's most premium airlines (alongside SQ), would have done a brilliant job with the A380. CX allowed SQ to steal its thunder and gave SQ all the first-to-fly-the-A380 bragging rights. OTOH, in trying to keep up with SQ, a huffing-and-puffing-and-panting MH cut much more coat than it had cloth. Look where it has ended up now.

P.S. There is a fair bit of Qantas and Air France in this thread. You are requested not to deviate from Malaysia Airlines.


How much were those bragging rights worth? A few million USD of free publicity doesn't make up for buying the wrong aircraft (which A380 was for CX)
 
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How much were those bragging rights worth? A few million USD of free publicity doesn't make up for buying the wrong aircraft (which A380 was for CX)


They just can't bear having their "expelled little brothers" down south having bigger toys than them. See my 2 sens (Malaysian cents) upthread.
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:43 pm

As long as Singapore Airlines has the A380, Malaysia Airlines will have them.
 
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As long as Singapore Airlines has the A380, Malaysia Airlines will have them.

I'd love it that you are right, but looking at Galileo GDS which I have at my fingertips it doesn't look good beyond the dates in my post above.
 
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:21 pm

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I could see QF picking up these birds.

Ironically, if Airbus decide to end the A380 line I could see these aircraft increasing in value (from a very low starting point). Airlines who want to maintain their fleets of A380's into the late 2020's may see value in these newer aircraft as a source of back up capacity / parts for their aging fleets.


When the A380 line closes, remaining aircraft will decline in value, not increase. If it were not for EK, the A380 would have been history long ago. Its ability to fill various routes is very limited. More point to point flying is being done and the number of large twins flying and on order is proof the A380 was a bad move by Airbus.
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:51 am

lutfi wrote:
How much were those bragging rights worth? A few million USD of free publicity doesn't make up for buying the wrong aircraft (which A380 was for CX)

Replace CX with MH and I can understand. To use the Malay words first introduced in this thread by Neutrino, the Abang was unable to keep up with the Adik, so it staked everything on the aircraft. Much to its horror, the aircraft turned out to be a Gajah Putih (credit: Google Translate). Look where the Adik is today: A359 (though also operated by MH), A350-900ULR, 787-10... (if you choose to ignore the A380s sent to the scrapper). The Abang may wave the flag with its 9M-MAC and 9M-MXS as it may like, but the truth is that it is far behind the Adik. MH will not stop bleeding ringgit unless it can get rid of the A380s (which, unfortunately, it cannot).

But CX? Why would a luxury carrier not operate the A380? What are the business reasons, other than, as jfk777 said, easier cargo loading (which isn't a reason many will think of at first)? Were the 747s adequate at the time for transporting a large number of passengers? Or were the A350s and 777s simply better?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:11 am

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For LHR and LAX nothing smaller will do.

Which is exactly why they've started sending 789s to both, and are looking at only the 777 and A350 for their proposed east-Australia nonstops to LHR... isn't it? ;)
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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:26 am

Garuda should pick up those A380 and fly them for Hajj route and SUB-CGK route and CGk SIN route.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:44 am

gia777 wrote:
Garuda should pick up those A380 and fly them for Hajj route and SUB-CGK route and CGk SIN route.

GA is trying to eliminate F. F is confined to CGK-HND (or is it CGK-NRT?). The A380 being a premium prestige product, there is no A380 without F (barring some EK ones). Besides F, the A380 itself is a huge expenditure. There's a reason GA is the only Southeast Asian flag carrier not to operate either the A350 or the 787 (five of them have the A350 and the remaning one, BI, has the 787).
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Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:34 am

neutrino wrote:
In local speak, the abang (big brother) must not lose out to the adik (little brother).


Mamakthir's ego?

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