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Re: AS new interior

Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:08 am

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New Airbus Inside Photos. Farewell VX hello Bland Airways.

https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/n628va/?hl=en

Not a fan of the rejigged mood lighting not sure what they did but it looks a little severe.

This looks better...

https://g.foolcdn.com/image/?url=https% ... &op=resize


Yes indeed, might as well be Lufthansa! Boring AF!


Yup, it might appear boring. But those yearly profits AS keeps collecting I’m guessing are not. Pretty sure VX would’ve liked a few. VX is gone cause it didn’t work profit wise and no amount of hip interior could save it from its limited network.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:27 am

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Good riddance to those gaudy, purple plexiglass class dividers on L-VX. They look like they came from a strip club.


I’ve been to several strip clubs — ones with naked female dancers and ones with naked male dancers. I’ve never seen anything in those clubs that looked like the VX cabin divider.

VX had the best cabin divider design. It would have looked good in dark blue as the AS cabin divider. Instead AS chose the absolutely cheesy visual cabin divider. It totally degrades the F product and turns the cabin into a socialist trailer park.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:35 am

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New Airbus Inside Photos. Farewell VX hello Bland Airways.


VX cabins felt cheap, and that divider between first class and main cabin felt like something plucked out of a sleazy bar. That silly little rope between cabins, meant to emulate a velvet rope in a nightclub, made the experience feel even sleazier. Airplanes are not nightclubs.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:24 am

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[photoid][/photoid]
hiflyeras wrote:
Good riddance to those gaudy, purple plexiglass class dividers on L-VX. They look like they came from a strip club.


I’ve been to several strip clubs — ones with naked female dancers and ones with naked male dancers. I’ve never seen anything in those clubs that looked like the VX cabin divider.

VX had the best cabin divider design. It would have looked good in dark blue as the AS cabin divider. Instead AS chose the absolutely cheesy visual cabin divider. It totally degrades the F product and turns the cabin into a socialist trailer park.


You are literally insane. Go buy yourself a private jet.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:35 am

DarthLobster wrote:
AirbusA322 wrote:
New Airbus Inside Photos. Farewell VX hello Bland Airways.


VX cabins felt cheap, and that divider between first class and main cabin felt like something plucked out of a sleazy bar. That silly little rope between cabins, meant to emulate a velvet rope in a nightclub, made the experience feel even sleazier. Airplanes are not nightclubs.


Cheaper than slimline seats in first class?
 
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Re: AS new interior

Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:39 pm

The VX interior aged quickly, both in terms of physical wear (the materials were not all totally durable) and style. The purple elements and the white F seats, in particular, look very First Tech Boom Venture Capital.

Less fashionable but better-built cabins will still look good after a decade of hard service.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:14 pm

Here's a Trip Report on a retrofitted N628VA in Coach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M9FN-EDQI&t=413s
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:44 am

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That silly little rope between cabins, meant to emulate a velvet rope in a nightclub, made the experience feel even sleazier.


That silly little rope was, arguably, the one thing VX did manage to get right; people have no problem walking through that flimsy perforated curtain that most carriers have these days, including AS. The rope, however, takes more, shall we say, testicular fortitude to unlatch, walk through, and relatch when you're a Y passenger making your way up to the F lav.

It's a psychological thing; most people stop dead in their tracks when they get to the rope and turn around to head to the Y lavs, which the customers in F appreciate, as it maintains that feel of exclusivity of sitting up front.

Not saying it's right or it's wrong, but it IS effective.
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:27 am

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DarthLobster wrote:
That silly little rope between cabins, meant to emulate a velvet rope in a nightclub, made the experience feel even sleazier.


That silly little rope was, arguably, the one thing VX did manage to get right; people have no problem walking through that flimsy perforated curtain that most carriers have these days, including AS. The rope, however, takes more, shall we say, testicular fortitude to unlatch, walk through, and relatch when you're a Y passenger making your way up to the F lav.

It's a psychological thing; most people stop dead in their tracks when they get to the rope and turn around to head to the Y lavs, which the customers in F appreciate, as it maintains that feel of exclusivity of sitting up front.

Not saying it's right or it's wrong, but it IS effective.


Agreed about the rope. I also find that planes which have mid cabin bathrooms also don't usually have problems with people trekking through FC. UA got it right with the 739 on that front. Shame AS & DL didn't follow suit.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:28 am

AS's 739A fleet started life with a mid-cabin lav. I still miss it.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:43 am

I guess I'm surprised that a latching rope would not be deemed a safety issue in an emergency. I agree, though, that it gets the point across.
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:52 am

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I guess I'm surprised that a latching rope would not be deemed a safety issue in an emergency. I agree, though, that it gets the point across.


I think the "rope" would only be used above 10,000 feet. Like the divider curtain it probably has to be secured for taxi, take off, and landing.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:56 am

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PlanesNTrains wrote:
I guess I'm surprised that a latching rope would not be deemed a safety issue in an emergency. I agree, though, that it gets the point across.


I think the "rope" would only be used above 10,000 feet. Like the divider curtain it probably has to be secured for taxi, take off, and landing.


Ah - makes sense.
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:01 am

YellowJ wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
DarthLobster wrote:
That silly little rope between cabins, meant to emulate a velvet rope in a nightclub, made the experience feel even sleazier.


That silly little rope was, arguably, the one thing VX did manage to get right; people have no problem walking through that flimsy perforated curtain that most carriers have these days, including AS. The rope, however, takes more, shall we say, testicular fortitude to unlatch, walk through, and relatch when you're a Y passenger making your way up to the F lav.

It's a psychological thing; most people stop dead in their tracks when they get to the rope and turn around to head to the Y lavs, which the customers in F appreciate, as it maintains that feel of exclusivity of sitting up front.

Not saying it's right or it's wrong, but it IS effective.


Agreed about the rope. I also find that planes which have mid cabin bathrooms also don't usually have problems with people trekking through FC. UA got it right with the 739 on that front. Shame AS & DL didn't follow suit.

Believe it or not, a few years back I was flying in F on a 757 with a lav between door R2 and the F cabin. The whole flight there were Y pax trekking through the F cabin to use the F lav. The moment the door unlatched a Y pax raced by my seat to the front of the plane before I could unbuckle my seatbelt. So I finally got up, went back to the lav directly behind the seats across from me to find a line of 10 people and the lav vacant. I go in, do my business, and step out right as a Y passenger nearly runs me over going to the F lav. I calmly said “you know there’s a lav right here”. The passengers face got so red. There wasn’t a problem the rest of the flight.

I imagine most pax aren’t accustomed to mid cabin lavs. This was on a leisure route so the passengers who probably don’t fly often likely assumed that the mid cabin lav was a closet and walked right by it. It just shocked me that neither of the two FAs working the F cabin never bothered to do anything about it.

AS used to have mid cabin lavs in their 739 fleet. I miss those days. Here’s hoping that if they choose the 737-10 they consider a mid cabin lav. It would really elevate the AS customer experience in both classes of service to the next level. Assuming FAs made sure that Y pax were aware of its existence.
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:59 am

YellowJ wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
DarthLobster wrote:
That silly little rope between cabins, meant to emulate a velvet rope in a nightclub, made the experience feel even sleazier.


That silly little rope was, arguably, the one thing VX did manage to get right; people have no problem walking through that flimsy perforated curtain that most carriers have these days, including AS. The rope, however, takes more, shall we say, testicular fortitude to unlatch, walk through, and relatch when you're a Y passenger making your way up to the F lav.

It's a psychological thing; most people stop dead in their tracks when they get to the rope and turn around to head to the Y lavs, which the customers in F appreciate, as it maintains that feel of exclusivity of sitting up front.

Not saying it's right or it's wrong, but it IS effective.


Agreed about the rope. I also find that planes which have mid cabin bathrooms also don't usually have problems with people trekking through FC. UA got it right with the 739 on that front. Shame AS & DL didn't follow suit.


My last six AS flights have been on 320s/319s or 321s so I've seen a lot of the rope. It was somewhat effective although the announcement about lav locations seemed to have changed to include using the lav in your cabin "...when possible." Perhaps this recognizes the issue of lack of lav access when the beverage carts are in the aisle and the idea of reserving the front one for just eight seats can be a bit much. When the planes are refitted, there will be more balance. In any case, some passengers took the "when possible" to heart. I did wonder if anyone would fall over it in a dark cabin on a red-eye. The 321s have the benefit of the rear "mid-cabin" lav and, funny enough, on one flight, people seemed to congregate at that one while leaving the two at the back relatively unused.

Overall, the 737 mid-cabin lav is a great idea. The issue of the blocked aisle is real. Too bad they aren't around as much as before. But I do recall reading somewhere that eliminating them reduces considerable under-floor plumbing and cost.

Regarding seats, while Virgin's white F seats look wonderful, from my two flights in front, I've found them to be hard as a rock and the reclining mechanics in the cabin often not working properly. Looking forward to refits and a more consistent passenger experience.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:39 am

It's soo stupid they call that First Class... look small and cramp. Should have at least follow GA product on their B737 Max8 Business class (at least) more spacious, etc
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:40 am

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Overall, the 737 mid-cabin lav is a great idea. The issue of the blocked aisle is real. Too bad they aren't around as much as before. But I do recall reading somewhere that eliminating them reduces considerable under-floor plumbing and cost.


I've been begging, pleading, and arguing my case regarding mid-cabin lavs to the powers-that-be for years, particularly when a new aircraft order or conversion of existing options was announced. Each time, the explanation came down to one thing; resale value. AS buys aircraft on what they assume will be a 20 year life cycle with the airline, and with an expectation of a certain resale value to lessors and/or other companies when they renew the fleet. With the most likely purchaser of 738/739 equipment being tour operators flying in an all-coach configuration, the airplanes would become more difficult to sell with a fixed monument forward of the wing instead of all three main cabin lavs in the rear.

Oddly enough, they did concede that there'd have been little to no need for anti-tip tail stands if the mid-cabin lavs had been installed, since the CG moves further forward, but by then the fleet had been standardized with 3 in the back and there was no going back.

I don't think there's any argument, however, that a mid-cabin lav is an overall positive for the customer experience.
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:41 am

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It's soo stupid they call that First Class... look small and cramp.


You do know that the 41" pitch in F is better than anyone else's standard domestic F offering, right?
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:25 am

Domestic Business minimum 44"
Domestic Economy Premium minimum 38"
Domestic Economy minimum 34"
this way it is fair.

Long haul
F Class = A suite with a fully door close, anything less than this... not worth to buy
J Class = is basically a first class without door close and the price gap is too huge between F and J, many times, not worth to spend the F fare. go with J is enough. 180' flat bed is all that matter.
Y+ Class = is basically a domestic business class product / domestic F product but they should make it minimum 44" for long haul product.
Y Class = the same but 34" is minimum for long haul.
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:54 pm

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cschleic wrote:
Overall, the 737 mid-cabin lav is a great idea. The issue of the blocked aisle is real. Too bad they aren't around as much as before. But I do recall reading somewhere that eliminating them reduces considerable under-floor plumbing and cost.


I've been begging, pleading, and arguing my case regarding mid-cabin lavs to the powers-that-be for years, particularly when a new aircraft order or conversion of existing options was announced. Each time, the explanation came down to one thing; resale value. AS buys aircraft on what they assume will be a 20 year life cycle with the airline, and with an expectation of a certain resale value to lessors and/or other companies when they renew the fleet. With the most likely purchaser of 738/739 equipment being tour operators flying in an all-coach configuration, the airplanes would become more difficult to sell with a fixed monument forward of the wing instead of all three main cabin lavs in the rear.

Oddly enough, they did concede that there'd have been little to no need for anti-tip tail stands if the mid-cabin lavs had been installed, since the CG moves further forward, but by then the fleet had been standardized with 3 in the back and there was no going back.

I don't think there's any argument, however, that a mid-cabin lav is an overall positive for the customer experience.


Ah, unfortunate, but makes sense. Kind of like having the weird house floorplan in the neighborhood.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:05 pm

gia777 wrote:
Domestic Business minimum 44"
Domestic Economy Premium minimum 38"
Domestic Economy minimum 34"
this way it is fair.

Long haul
F Class = A suite with a fully door close, anything less than this... not worth to buy
J Class = is basically a first class without door close and the price gap is too huge between F and J, many times, not worth to spend the F fare. go with J is enough. 180' flat bed is all that matter.
Y+ Class = is basically a domestic business class product / domestic F product but they should make it minimum 44" for long haul product.
Y Class = the same but 34" is minimum for long haul.


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Re: AS new interior

Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:11 pm

cschleic wrote:
I did wonder if anyone would fall over it in a dark cabin on a red-eye.

N383SW wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
I guess I'm surprised that a latching rope would not be deemed a safety issue in an emergency. I agree, though, that it gets the point across.


I think the "rope" would only be used above 10,000 feet. Like the divider curtain it probably has to be secured for taxi, take off, and landing.


The velvet rope was attached to the bulkhead with a magnet.

Who else uses velvet ropes? I've seen them between Business and Economy on British Airways. It was actually just a red rope used IN ADDITION to the curtain.
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:14 am

AS' new first class is nice. Too much legroom I think, especially given AS' more restrictive recline. But the new seats is comfortable with a great headrest and nice tray table. They could do 38 inches and be fine.

gia777 wrote:
It's soo stupid they call that First Class... look small and cramp. Should have at least follow GA product on their B737 Max8 Business class (at least) more spacious, etc
 
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:18 am

Another reason for the mid-cabin lav is the additional area of the airframe being subject to corrosion and inspections, along with additional costs in installation and maintaining a plumbing and water system. DL Tech Ops was not a fan of the layout and it's one reason why the DL 739 has all 3 coach johns stacked into the back like AS.

Keep in mind UA has gone with the midcabin lav on all 739's and from a passenger perspective, I love it. Needless to say so too do the flight attendants.

EA CO AS wrote:
cschleic wrote:
Overall, the 737 mid-cabin lav is a great idea. The issue of the blocked aisle is real. Too bad they aren't around as much as before. But I do recall reading somewhere that eliminating them reduces considerable under-floor plumbing and cost.


I've been begging, pleading, and arguing my case regarding mid-cabin lavs to the powers-that-be for years, particularly when a new aircraft order or conversion of existing options was announced. Each time, the explanation came down to one thing; resale value. AS buys aircraft on what they assume will be a 20 year life cycle with the airline, and with an expectation of a certain resale value to lessors and/or other companies when they renew the fleet. With the most likely purchaser of 738/739 equipment being tour operators flying in an all-coach configuration, the airplanes would become more difficult to sell with a fixed monument forward of the wing instead of all three main cabin lavs in the rear.

Oddly enough, they did concede that there'd have been little to no need for anti-tip tail stands if the mid-cabin lavs had been installed, since the CG moves further forward, but by then the fleet had been standardized with 3 in the back and there was no going back.

I don't think there's any argument, however, that a mid-cabin lav is an overall positive for the customer experience.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:40 am

qm001 wrote:
AirbusA322 wrote:
New Airbus Inside Photos. Farewell VX hello Bland Airways.

https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/n628va/?hl=en

Not a fan of the rejigged mood lighting not sure what they did but it looks a little severe.

This looks better...

https://g.foolcdn.com/image/?url=https% ... &op=resize


Yes indeed, might as well be Lufthansa! Boring AF!


You know, I personally don’t care if it’s boring AF or what color the mood lighting is. It’s an airplane, not my living room. I just want to get to my destination safely and on-time with reasonably comfort.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:05 am

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You know, I personally don’t care if it’s boring AF or what color the mood lighting is. It’s an airplane, not my living room. I just want to get to my destination safely and on-time with reasonably comfort.

I'll take this a step further. I prefer boring. I don't actually enjoy flying (I'm 6'10" tall, no airline well make it fun for me). I prefer less stimulation, as a dull experience is easier to just get through.

I actively avoid airlines with in-seat IFE, because I'm tall enough to see every screen for 3 rows in front of me, and it's just too frenetic.

Give me a boring flight any day... Well... Aside from the view outside, of course.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:06 am

Jetmarc wrote:
cschleic wrote:
I did wonder if anyone would fall over it in a dark cabin on a red-eye.

N383SW wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
I guess I'm surprised that a latching rope would not be deemed a safety issue in an emergency. I agree, though, that it gets the point across.


I think the "rope" would only be used above 10,000 feet. Like the divider curtain it probably has to be secured for taxi, take off, and landing.


The velvet rope was attached to the bulkhead with a magnet.

Who else uses velvet ropes? I've seen them between Business and Economy on British Airways. It was actually just a red rope used IN ADDITION to the curtain.


Virgin Australia uses them on their 737's and it's only attached once the FA's are released from seats and it's taken away prior to decent.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:02 am

I grew up in the Northwest and flew 20k miles with Alaka last year, and as much as I want to love them -- they're just so mediocre in every way. Besides their limited network, and that I'm so tired of flying cramped 737s — their onboard product doesn't match the premium fares they charge.

- They inflate their search results with ridiculous garbage 8+ hour / redeye layover options — even on <1,800 mile trips.

- Too many redeyes, and very little frequency on a lot of their routes.

- Maybe it's just my inner millenial getting the best of me — but the GoGo "Bring Your Own Device" IFE is clunky, and doesn't let you work on your laptop or forces you to hold your 5" iPhone the whole time. And where do you put the drink/sandwich you just bought? You hold it in your lap.. To me, it's just short-term Wall Street thinking trying to pinch pennies on weight/fuel.

I'm an Airplane nerd, so I rely on my wife to provide the 'casual flyer that doesn't care about airplanes' perspective, and every time we fly on Delta she thinks we're on some nice/special plane that costs more to fly on (she associates the PTV's with traveling to Europe). For that reason, I think Delta will win the next decade long battle of Seattle and Alaska will eventually get bought out by AA or DL.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:02 pm

Awesome analysis. PTV’s for the win.
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:38 pm

Are the 737-900s all losing a row of FC ? To me that’s actually a negative vs receiving more legroom. That is 4 less seats all of the elites are competing for.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:48 pm

No, the B737-900s are staying at 16F seats from what I’m aware of. F seats aren’t been removed- in fact I’m the Airbus more F are being installed!
 
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:56 pm

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No, the B737-900s are staying at 16F seats from what I’m aware of. F seats aren’t been removed- in fact I’m the Airbus more F are being installed!


You sure? The seat maps for the 900s for Q3 and Q4 on the Alaska website of this year are definitely only showing 12F.

Don’t mean to doubt your knowledge just trying to make sense of this, thanks !
 
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:00 pm

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It's soo stupid they call that First Class... look small and cramp. Should have at least follow GA product on their B737 Max8 Business class (at least) more spacious, etc


Try again.

Alaska has the most generous first class domestic pitch of any U.S. carrier. More pitch than American, United or Delta, and not by some small amount. It's 41" is significantly more generous than the average 36-37" of the Big 3.

phxa340 wrote:
USAavdork wrote:
No, the B737-900s are staying at 16F seats from what I’m aware of. F seats aren’t been removed- in fact I’m the Airbus more F are being installed!


You sure? The seat maps for the 900s for Q3 and Q4 on the Alaska website of this year are definitely only showing 12F.

Don’t mean to doubt your knowledge just trying to make sense of this, thanks !


Yes. That's just a default configuration so they don't oversell First Class in case of swaps. Back when the 737-800s where being converted from 12F to 16F, all 738s were sold as 12F so they didn't oversell coach.

A321s and 739s will be 16F.
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:19 pm

It looks like N928VA (A321) flew GSO-SFO 22hrs ago. Maybe soon we’ll see pics of the new interior on the A321!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928VA
 
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Re: AS new interior

Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:20 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
gia777 wrote:
It's soo stupid they call that First Class... look small and cramp. Should have at least follow GA product on their B737 Max8 Business class (at least) more spacious, etc


Try again.

Alaska has the most generous first class domestic pitch of any U.S. carrier. More pitch than American, United or Delta, and not by some small amount. It's 41" is significantly more generous than the average 36-37" of the Big 3.

phxa340 wrote:
USAavdork wrote:
No, the B737-900s are staying at 16F seats from what I’m aware of. F seats aren’t been removed- in fact I’m the Airbus more F are being installed!


You sure? The seat maps for the 900s for Q3 and Q4 on the Alaska website of this year are definitely only showing 12F.

Don’t mean to doubt your knowledge just trying to make sense of this, thanks !


Yes. That's just a default configuration so they don't oversell First Class in case of swaps. Back when the 737-800s where being converted from 12F to 16F, all 738s were sold as 12F so they didn't oversell coach.

A321s and 739s will be 16F.


Makes a ton of sense, thanks for the information !
 
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Re: AS new interior

Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:13 am

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Re: AS new interior

Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:58 am

PacificWest wrote:
I grew up in the Northwest and flew 20k miles with Alaka last year, and as much as I want to love them -- they're just so mediocre in every way. Besides their limited network, and that I'm so tired of flying cramped 737s — their onboard product doesn't match the premium fares they charge.

- They inflate their search results with ridiculous garbage 8+ hour / redeye layover options — even on <1,800 mile trips.

- Too many redeyes, and very little frequency on a lot of their routes.

- Maybe it's just my inner millenial getting the best of me — but the GoGo "Bring Your Own Device" IFE is clunky, and doesn't let you work on your laptop or forces you to hold your 5" iPhone the whole time. And where do you put the drink/sandwich you just bought? You hold it in your lap.. To me, it's just short-term Wall Street thinking trying to pinch pennies on weight/fuel.

I'm an Airplane nerd, so I rely on my wife to provide the 'casual flyer that doesn't care about airplanes' perspective, and every time we fly on Delta she thinks we're on some nice/special plane that costs more to fly on (she associates the PTV's with traveling to Europe). For that reason, I think Delta will win the next decade long battle of Seattle and Alaska will eventually get bought out by AA or DL.


I’m assuming from your post that you don’t live in the Northwest anymore. If you do, some of your arguments don’t add up. Alaska has more frequencies to just about everyplace out of PDX and SEA compared to Delta. Unless you’re flying to Delta hubs. DL uses the 737 or smaller pretty heavily out of SEA for domestic with the exception of hubs and Hawaii 757s.

Delta offers a good product and generally good customer service, certainly compared to United and American. But I see things differently. I don’t think they are different enough to beat Alaska in Seattle. I’m Silver on Delta and MVP on Alaska. I’ve decided to stick with Alaska, it is just easier and generally less expensive out of LAX. Obviously, others have different experiences.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:24 am

PacificWest wrote:
I grew up in the Northwest and flew 20k miles with Alaka last year, and as much as I want to love them -- they're just so mediocre in every way.


This is like a mirror image of the Alaska experience for me, right down to the wife. I like Alaska, but my wife (who is not an airplane person and not originally from Seattle) is now a near-fanatic Alaska loyalist. The reason: they have provided her with truly exceptional in-person service on several occasions. I fly more (just short of Gold each of the last two years) and have had my share of ordinary service experiences on Alaska, but the proportion of great service is much higher than with any other airline I fly regularly, and it really is the people and the service culture that distinguish Alaska from others. The 737s are 737s, but they're more comfortable than any other 737s in the US except the old, disappearing AA 738 configuration, and it's not like you're going to get widebodies from Delta on domestic routes (save the occasional 330 repositioning to/from ATL). I've found AS fares to be competitive, not premium. There are redeyes, but (unlike other airlines) they are never the only choice. The only real weakness in frequency is on routes to competitor hubs, which is expected. AS has had some digestive pains absorbing VX but overall I'm a very satisfied Alaska customer. I have zero motivation to start accumulating SkyMiles rather than Mileage Plan ones.

Delta is the best of the majors and distinguishes itself with a modern hard product, but I've had consistently better service from Alaska, especially off the airplane.
 
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Re: AS new interior

Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:38 pm

PacificWest wrote:
I think Delta will win the next decade long battle of Seattle and Alaska will eventually get bought out by AA or DL.

I think this is an overblown argument and that there is room in Seattle for both DL and AS. All the doomsday for AS people overlook the fact that it's the other carriers who have retreated. DL has basically replaced WN and UA. Both airlines used to have much more robust service throughout the Pacific Northwest and both have since retreated. WN used to challenge AS service to places like PDX, BOI, and GEG. Those flights are all gone, replaced by DL flights on smaller planes. UA had a focus city, crew base, and the entire N concourse. It too is gone.

As for the 737s, what makes DL 737s so much better than AS ones? Do you really think they have more space? And if IFE is such a big deal, you realize that the regional jets that DL flies heavily out of SEA don't have them, right?
 
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Re: AS new interior

Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:34 pm

msp747 wrote:
PacificWest wrote:
I think Delta will win the next decade long battle of Seattle and Alaska will eventually get bought out by AA or DL.

I think this is an overblown argument and that there is room in Seattle for both DL and AS. All the doomsday for AS people overlook the fact that it's the other carriers who have retreated. DL has basically replaced WN and UA. Both airlines used to have much more robust service throughout the Pacific Northwest and both have since retreated. WN used to challenge AS service to places like PDX, BOI, and GEG. Those flights are all gone, replaced by DL flights on smaller planes. UA had a focus city, crew base, and the entire N concourse. It too is gone.

As for the 737s, what makes DL 737s so much better than AS ones? Do you really think they have more space? And if IFE is such a big deal, you realize that the regional jets that DL flies heavily out of SEA don't have them, right?


WN I believe has been more or less static for years in SEA. Destinations and frequencies change but I think they’ve remained in the 35-40 departures per day range. Perhaps I’m behind the times.

Aside from that, it’s hard to predict the future. AS could merge with JetBlue, botch the integration, and collapse. DL could move assets to LAX after they buyout B6. AS could even pull a USAirways and bid for an ailing (future) AA.

Who knows.
-Dave


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Re: AS new interior

Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:03 am

seabosdca wrote:
PacificWest wrote:
I grew up in the Northwest and flew 20k miles with Alaka last year, and as much as I want to love them -- they're just so mediocre in every way.


This is like a mirror image of the Alaska experience for me, right down to the wife. I like Alaska, but my wife (who is not an airplane person and not originally from Seattle) is now a near-fanatic Alaska loyalist. The reason: they have provided her with truly exceptional in-person service on several occasions. I fly more (just short of Gold each of the last two years) and have had my share of ordinary service experiences on Alaska, but the proportion of great service is much higher than with any other airline I fly regularly, and it really is the people and the service culture that distinguish Alaska from others. The 737s are 737s, but they're more comfortable than any other 737s in the US except the old, disappearing AA 738 configuration, and it's not like you're going to get widebodies from Delta on domestic routes (save the occasional 330 repositioning to/from ATL). I've found AS fares to be competitive, not premium. There are redeyes, but (unlike other airlines) they are never the only choice. The only real weakness in frequency is on routes to competitor hubs, which is expected. AS has had some digestive pains absorbing VX but overall I'm a very satisfied Alaska customer. I have zero motivation to start accumulating SkyMiles rather than Mileage Plan ones.

Delta is the best of the majors and distinguishes itself with a modern hard product, but I've had consistently better service from Alaska, especially off the airplane.


100% agree with you on AS Customer Service -- it's truly second to none, and blows Delta out of the water.

That said, I generally only experience that kind of Customer Service when there's an issue that needs be resolved; so I generally only think "thank god I'm flying AS" if I have one of those bad-luck trips that all Airlines have to deal with.

I still love Alaska and their the 'home team' for me, but I do wish they made different choices with their IFE and went all-in on customer experience. I also think that PDX flyers like myself have a different view of Alaska, given that the choice on most longer tips is to 1) Connect through Seattle, or 2) Take a Redye

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