User avatar
enilria
Topic Author
Posts: 9387
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:15 pm

OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:41 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

4B BNA-GLH MAR 0>1.7[1.3]
4B BNA-MSL FEB 0>1.4[0.9] MAR 0>1.5[0.4]
4B DFW-GLH MAR 0>0.8[0.4]

7H AKN-ANC FEB 0.9>0.2[0.5]
7H AKN-DLG FEB 0.9>0.2[0.5]
7H ANC-DLG FEB 0.9>0.2[0.5]
7H ANC-OTZ FEB 0.5>0.2[0.7]
7H BET-TNK FEB 0>1.4[0] MAR 0>1.4[0] APR 0>1.4[0] MAY 0>1.4[0] JUN 0>1.4[0] JUL 0>1.4[0] AUG 0>1.4[0] SEP 0>1.4[0]
7H BET-WWT FEB 1.4>0[0.9] MAR 1.4>0[1.4] APR 1.4>0[1.4] MAY 1.4>0[1.4] JUN 1.4>0[1.4] JUL 1.4>0[1.4] AUG 1.4>0[1.4] SEP 1.4>0[1.4]
7H TNK-WWT FEB 1.4>0[1.4] MAR 1.4>0[1.4] APR 1.4>0[1.4] MAY 1.4>0[1.4] JUN 1.4>0[1.4] JUL 1.4>0[1.4] AUG 1.4>0[1.4] SEP 1.4>0[1.4]

*9K STL-TBN FEB 4>1.6[4] MAR 4>0[4] APR 4>0[4] MAY 4>0[4] JUN 4>0[4] JUL 4>0[4] AUG 4>0[4] SEP 4>0[4] OCT 4>0[4]

*AA JLN-ORD JUN 0>1.7[0] JUL 0>2[0] AUG 0>2[0] SEP 0>2[0] OCT 0>2[0]
AA ORD-RAP JUN 1.3>2[1.2] JUL 1.3>2[1.1] AUG 1.3>2[1.1]

AS DEN-SEA OCT 4>5[4]
AS FAT-PDX JUN 1.3>1.9[1.2] JUL 1.1>1.9[1.1] AUG 1.1>1.9[1.1] SEP 1.0>1.9[1.0] OCT 1.0>1.9[1.0]
*AS KOA-PDX JUN 0.6>0.2[0.6] JUL 0.6>0[0.5] AUG 0.4>0[0.0]
Big reduction
AS PDX-SEA JUN 23>18[23] JUL 25>19[25] AUG 24>19[24] SEP 22>19[22] OCT 22>19[22]

B6 AUA-BOS MAY 1.9>1.4[1.9]
B6 BDL-MCO MAY 3>2[2]
B6 BNA-BOS MAY 2>3[2]
B6 BNA-FLL MAY 1.0>1.6[1.0]
B6 BOS-CUN MAY 0.9>0.5[1.1]
B6 BOS-LAS MAR 3>4[3] APR 3>4[3] JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3] AUG 3>4[3]
B6 BOS-LGB MAR 1.6>1.2[1.0] APR 1.6>1.0[1.0] MAY 1.6>1.0[1.0] JUN 1.7>0.9[1.0] JUL 1.9>1.0[1.0] AUG 1.8>1.0[1.0]
B6 BOS-MCO MAY 7>6[5]
B6 BOS-NAS MAY 0.1>0.5[0.2]
B6 BOS-RSW JUL 3>2[3] AUG 3>2[3]
B6 BOS-SDQ MAY 1.4>1.9[1.0]
B6 BOS-SLC MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]
B6 BQN-JFK MAY 0.7>0.9[0.5]
B6 BUF-LAX MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]
B6 CTG-FLL MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0]
B6 CUN-JFK MAY 3>1.7[2]
B6 DCA-RSW MAY 1.0>1.6[1.0]
B6 JFK-PDX MAY 1.0>0.6[1.0]
B6 LGB-SEA MAR 1.0>1.6[1.6] APR 1.0>1.9[2] MAY 1.0>2[2.0] JUN 1.0>2[2] JUL 1.0>2[2] AUG 1.0>2[2]

DL ATL-BHM SEP 9>10[9] OCT 9>10[10]
DL ATL-JAN SEP 6>7[6] OCT 6>7[6]
DL ATL-MDW SEP 6>7[6] OCT 6>7[7]
DL ATL-MIA OCT 11>10[10]
DL ATL-MKE SEP 6>7[7] OCT 6>7[7]
DL ATL-MSN SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[4]
DL ATL-RSW SEP 8>7[7] OCT 9>7[7]
DL ATL-SHV SEP 6>7[6] OCT 6>7[6]
DL AUS-RDU SEP 0.6>0.8[0.6] OCT 0.7>0.9[0.6]
DL BNA-DTW OCT 5>6[5]
DL BWI-MSP SEP 4>3[3] OCT 4>3[3]
DL CVG-SEA OCT 0.8>0.5[0.5]
DL DTW-TYS SEP 4>5[4] OCT 4>5[4]
DL KOA-SEA OCT 1.0>0.7[0.6]
DL LIH-SEA OCT 1.0>0.7[0.7]
DL OKC-SLC OCT 1.7>3[1.8]

I'm not sure what adds weren't previously known so I'll mark the new drops
F9 ALB-RDU MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
F9 ATL-PHL MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
F9 AUS-ONT MAR 0.3>0[0.4] APR 0.3>0[0.5]
F9 AUS-RDU FEB 0.3>0[0.4] MAR 0.6>0[0.4] APR 0.6>0[0.5] MAY 0.4>0[0.5] JUN 0.4>0[0.6] JUL 0.4>0[0.5]
F9 BDL-MCO MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
F9 BDL-RDU MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
F9 BNA-MCO MAR 1.0>0.7[0.6] APR 1.0>0.7[0.5]
F9 BOS-MCO APR 0>0.3[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
F9 BOS-RDU MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
F9 BWI-MCO APR 0>0.3[0] MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
F9 CMH-RDU MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
F9 CVG-LAS APR 1.0>0.7[1.0]
F9 DEN-GEG MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0.0[0.0]
F9 DEN-MCI MAR 0.7>0.4[1.0] APR 0.7>0.4[1.0]
F9 DEN-PDX MAR 1.4>1.0[1.0] APR 1.4>1.0[1.4]
F9 DEN-SEA MAR 1.3>0.7[1.4] APR 1.3>0.7[1.7]
F9 DEN-TUL MAR 0.7>0.4[0.2] APR 0.7>0.4[0.4]
F9 DFW-LAS MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
F9 DFW-MCO MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
F9 DTW-LAS MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
F9 DTW-MCO MAR 0.7>1.3[1.0] APR 0.7>1.1[0.5]
F9 GRR-MCO MAR 0.7>1.0[1.0] APR 0.7>1.0[0.5]
F9 IAH-LAS MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
F9 IAH-MCO MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
*F9 IAH-RDU MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0.3]
*F9 IND-SAN MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]
F9 ISP-RDU MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
F9 JAX-RDU MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
*F9 LAS-MEM MAR 0.3>0[0.6] APR 0.3>0[0.6]
F9 LAS-ORD MAR 1.0>0.6[1.0] APR 1.0>0.6[1.0]
F9 LAS-PHL MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
F9 LAS-SAN MAY 0>0.7[0] JUN 0>0.7[0] JUL 0>0.7[0] AUG 0>0.3[0]
F9 MCO-ORD MAR 1.3>1.6[1.0]
F9 MCO-ORF MAR 0.6>0.3[0] APR 0.6>0.3[0]
F9 MCO-PUJ MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.5[0]
*F9 MCO-SAN MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[0.2]
F9 MCO-TYS MAR 0.3>0[0.4] APR 0.3>0[0.1]
F9 MKE-PHX MAR 0.3>0.6[0.6] APR 0.3>0.6[0.1]
F9 MKE-SAN MAR 0.4>0[0] APR 0.4>0[0]
F9 MYR-PHL MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
F9 ORD-PHX MAR 1.0>0.7[0.6] APR 1.0>0.7[0.6]
F9 ORF-PHX MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]
F9 PHL-PNS MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.5[0]
F9 PHL-RDU MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
F9 RDU-TPA MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]

FI KEF-MSP JUL 1.5>1.0[1.5] AUG 1.4>1.0[1.6] SEP 1.3>1.0[1.2]

HA HNL-LIH SEP 17>18[18] OCT 17>18[18]
HA HNL-OGG SEP 28>27[28] OCT 28>26[28]
HA ITO-OGG SEP 3>2[2] OCT 3>2[2]
HA KOA-LIH SEP 1.4>1.0[1.5] OCT 1.4>1.0[1.4]

KG DEN-RIW MAR 1.8>1.3[0] APR 1.9>1.4[0]
KG DEN-SHR MAR 1.0>0.5[0] APR 1.0>0.5[0] MAY 1.0>0.8[0] JUN 1.0>0.8[0]
KG DEN-TEX FEB 0>0.5[0] MAR 0>1.0[0]
KG RIW-SHR MAR 0.8>1.3[0] APR 0.9>1.4[0] MAY 0.9>1.7[0] JUN 0.8>1.6[0]

KS AKN-ANC FEB 1.9>0.6[1.0] MAR 1.9>0.6[2] APR 2>0.6[2] MAY 2>0.6[2]
KS AKN-DLG FEB 0.1>0.6[1.0] MAR 0.1>0.6[0] APR 0>0.6[0] MAY 0>0.6[0]
KS ANC-DLG FEB 1.9>0.6[1.7] MAR 1.9>0.6[3] APR 2>0.6[3] MAY 2>0.6[3]

LF STL-TBN FEB 0>1.1[0] MAR 0>1.7[0] APR 0>1.7[0] MAY 0>1.7[0] JUN 0>0.8[0]

LO BUD-JFK FEB 0.6>0.3[0]

MW LUP-MKK FEB 0.9>1.2[0] MAR 0.9>1.2[0] APR 0.9>1.2[0]

SY ANC-LAS JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY BNA-LAX APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY BNA-PDX MAY 0>0.3[0] JUN 0>0.5[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY BNA-PVD APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY DFW-LAS MAR 0.9>1.2[0] APR 0.8>1.1[0]
SY DFW-MBJ JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY DFW-PSP FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]
SY EWR-MSP APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>0.6[0]
SY HNL-SFO JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY IAD-MSP MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.8[0] JUL 0>0.8[0] AUG 0>0.5[0]
SY LAS-PVR JUN 0>0.2[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY LAS-SJD JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]
SY MSP-ORD APR 0>0.2[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>0.6[0]
SY MSP-PHL APR 0>0.3[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.8[0] JUL 0>0.8[0] AUG 0>0.5[0]
SY MSP-PVD APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY MSP-SAT MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY MSP-SMF MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY MSP-STL JUN 0>0.5[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY PDX-SAT JUN 0>0.5[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY PDX-STL JUN 0>0.2[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.2[0]

Out for Summer
**UA EYW-ORD JUN 1.0>0.2[0.4] JUL 1.0>0[0.3] AUG 1.0>0[0.2] SEP 1.0>0[0.2] OCT 1.0>0.2[0.3]
*UA IAH-PBI JUN 1.0>0.2[0.2] JUL 1.0>0[0] AUG 1.0>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0]
UA IAH-RNO JUN 0.4>1.0[0.0] JUL 0.3>1.0[0.3] AUG 0.3>0.7[0.2]

VC AUS-BHM APR 0>0.5[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.6[0] SEP 0>0.6[0]
VC AUS-MEM JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.5[0] SEP 0>0.6[0]
VC AUS-TUS APR 0.4>0.2[0.4] MAY 0.5>0.2[0.4]
VC BDL-PIT JUL 0>0.2[0] AUG 0>0.5[0] SEP 0>0.6[0]
VC BHM-MOB APR 0>0.5[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.6[0] SEP 0>0.6[0]
VC BHM-PIT APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.6[0] SEP 0>0.6[0]
VC BHM-RDU APR 0>0.3[0] MAY 0>0.3[0] JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.3[0] SEP 0>0.3[0]
VC MEM-PIT JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.5[0] SEP 0>0.6[0]

WG MIA-YUL MAR 0.6>0.4[0]

WN MCI-TPA MAR 2.0>3[1.9]
WN OAK-PHX MAR 6>7[6]

This is interesting because people have pointed out that the inventory appears to be closed for MAR/APR
*WW KEF-ORD FEB 1.0>0.8[0.7]
 
klm617
Posts: 4339
Joined: Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:57 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:07 pm

FI KEF-MSP JUL 1.5>1.0[1.5] AUG 1.4>1.0[1.6] SEP 1.3>1.0[1.2]


The EI effect.
the truth does matter, guys. too bad it's often quite subjective. the truth is beyond the mere facts and figures. it's beyond good and bad, right and wrong...
 
eaa3
Posts: 937
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:49 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:21 pm

klm617 wrote:
FI KEF-MSP JUL 1.5>1.0[1.5] AUG 1.4>1.0[1.6] SEP 1.3>1.0[1.2]


The EI effect.


Note that they upsized the planes from B737-8 to B757-300. That’s an increase from 160 to 225 per flight, or 40%. That means that they decreased the frequency by 36% but increased the seats per flight by 40%. That leaves the amount of seats pretty much unchanged and a daily service.
 
User avatar
enilria
Topic Author
Posts: 9387
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:15 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:26 pm

eaa3 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
FI KEF-MSP JUL 1.5>1.0[1.5] AUG 1.4>1.0[1.6] SEP 1.3>1.0[1.2]


The EI effect.


Note that they upsized the planes from B737-8 to B757-300. That’s an increase from 160 to 225 per flight, or 40%. That means that they decreased the frequency by 36% but increased the seats per flight by 40%. That leaves the amount of seats pretty much unchanged and a daily service.

Wasn't it a 757-300 routinely in the past?
 
klm617
Posts: 4339
Joined: Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:57 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:43 pm

enilria wrote:
eaa3 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
FI KEF-MSP JUL 1.5>1.0[1.5] AUG 1.4>1.0[1.6] SEP 1.3>1.0[1.2]


The EI effect.


Note that they upsized the planes from B737-8 to B757-300. That’s an increase from 160 to 225 per flight, or 40%. That means that they decreased the frequency by 36% but increased the seats per flight by 40%. That leaves the amount of seats pretty much unchanged and a daily service.

Wasn't it a 757-300 routinely in the past?


Actually it was to be a 757 and a 737 now it is just a 757
the truth does matter, guys. too bad it's often quite subjective. the truth is beyond the mere facts and figures. it's beyond good and bad, right and wrong...
 
EvanWSFO
Posts: 1093
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:22 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:59 pm

klm617 wrote:
enilria wrote:
eaa3 wrote:

Note that they upsized the planes from B737-8 to B757-300. That’s an increase from 160 to 225 per flight, or 40%. That means that they decreased the frequency by 36% but increased the seats per flight by 40%. That leaves the amount of seats pretty much unchanged and a daily service.

Wasn't it a 757-300 routinely in the past?


Actually it was to be a 757 and a 737 now it is just a 757


It's showing as a -300 on a couple of dummy bookings I did for the summer.
I have been on this site 15 years. A unrecoverable email account led me to starting over. Those of you who call me a rookie, you may stop ok?
 
N174UA
Posts: 1010
Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:17 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:26 pm

AS suspension of KOA-PDX is interesting, especially for the summer months. Big Island isn't as popular as Maui or Kauai, and with SY coming in, looks like AS is feeling the impact the most in this market.
 
jb1087xna
Posts: 430
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:11 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:37 pm

enilria wrote:
*AA JLN-ORD JUN 0>1.7[0] JUL 0>2[0] AUG 0>2[0] SEP 0>2[0] OCT 0>2[0]
'

Thanks as always for these posts!

That's a pretty dramatic increase in service, especially as a percentage of daily seats from AA from JLN. They only have 2 flights to DFW normally. Looks like those are staying, as CR9s in July, and then the two ORD flights will be on ERJ-145's.
| A319/20/21/33 | B717,722,733/5/7/8/9,744,752/3,762/3 | CR1/2/7/9 | D95 | E145/75 | M82/8/90 |
Next up: XNA-ATL-PWM-ATL-XNA
 
RJNUT
Posts: 1764
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 1999 1:58 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:49 pm

seemingly out of nowhere Contour is taking over TBN's EAS air contract with ERJ 135's. Zero connectivity , of course, but they wanted to move on from Cape Air.
 
User avatar
SRQKEF
Posts: 1829
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:10 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:10 pm

klm617 wrote:
enilria wrote:
eaa3 wrote:

Note that they upsized the planes from B737-8 to B757-300. That’s an increase from 160 to 225 per flight, or 40%. That means that they decreased the frequency by 36% but increased the seats per flight by 40%. That leaves the amount of seats pretty much unchanged and a daily service.

Wasn't it a 757-300 routinely in the past?


Actually it was to be a 757 and a 737 now it is just a 757


No, it was set as two MAX flights and now it's a single 753. However, don't be surprised if you see more changes in the FI network before the summer season starts to add flights that connect to their new departure bank.
Nothing compares to taking off in an empty 757 with full thrust!
 
User avatar
knope2001
Posts: 2902
Joined: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:54 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:15 pm

Thanks as always, enilria!

enilria wrote:
*9K STL-TBN FEB 4>1.6[4] MAR 4>0[4] APR 4>0[4] MAY 4>0[4] JUN 4>0[4] JUL 4>0[4] AUG 4>0[4] SEP 4>0[4] OCT 4>0[4]
LF STL-TBN FEB 0>1.1[0] MAR 0>1.7[0] APR 0>1.7[0] MAY 0>1.7[0] JUN 0>0.8[0]


After many years of Cape EAS Cessna to STL Fort Leonard Wood is getting twice-daily 30-seat Contour RJ's to STL under the Alternate EAS program. An element of TBN is (assumed because of the military presence) sometimes an extra section would be flown to handle bags/equipment which exceeded weight limits. With 30-seat RJ's I don't think that will be a problem. I think Contour is up to a half dozen cities now where they use RJ's for Alternate EAS flying.

enilria wrote:
*AA JLN-ORD JUN 0>1.7[0] JUL 0>2[0] AUG 0>2[0] SEP 0>2[0] OCT 0>2[0]


This is another city graduating out of the EAS program. American stated in October that when the current EAS contract for 2x/day JLN-DFW ends in late February they would continue to serve Joplin subsidy-free. Joplin is offering a $600k revenue guarantee for these new Chicago flights and there is word that a third DFW flight will come in summer.

Joplin like fellow EAS "graduates" Columbia, Sioux City and Manhattan fell into a nasty cycle of poor service leading to decreased traffic. With branded twice-daily RJ service all four of them not only were weaned off of EAS subsidy, but all have grown to support a third or fourth flight. If I'm not mistaken what these cities have in common is they had AA*. I don't think any cities served UA* or DL* (which are nearly all Skywest) have left the EAS rolls except for Williston, but they are an odd case due to the shale oil boom. AA* still has a few EAS left including Garden City, Waterloo and Grand Island but has not sought any new ones in years.
 
User avatar
AVLAirlineFreq
Posts: 1286
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:31 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:21 pm

knope2001 wrote:
I don't think any cities served UA* or DL* (which are nearly all Skywest) have left the EAS rolls except for Williston, but they are an odd case due to the shale oil boom.


DL was first to serve COU among the current US3 (before leaving the market when AA entered), but that may have been part of EAS at the time.
 
eaa3
Posts: 937
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:49 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:32 pm

enilria wrote:
eaa3 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
FI KEF-MSP JUL 1.5>1.0[1.5] AUG 1.4>1.0[1.6] SEP 1.3>1.0[1.2]


The EI effect.


Note that they upsized the planes from B737-8 to B757-300. That’s an increase from 160 to 225 per flight, or 40%. That means that they decreased the frequency by 36% but increased the seats per flight by 40%. That leaves the amount of seats pretty much unchanged and a daily service.

Wasn't it a 757-300 routinely in the past?


It’s generally been a B757-200.
 
rainaviation
Posts: 188
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:42 pm

enilria wrote:
SY DFW-LAS MAR 0.9>1.2[0] APR 0.8>1.1[0]

SY DFW-PSP FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0]


That is two flights on Sunday for SY on DFW-LAS. I wouldn't be surprised if they added even more.

DFW-PSP is not bookable anymore, looks like a PDX-RNO problem - not enough bookings on the front end, so they have cancelled it!

Thanks as always Enilria!
 
rajincajun01
Posts: 668
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:16 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:46 pm

enilria wrote:
KG DEN-RIW MAR 1.8>1.3[0] APR 1.9>1.4[0]
KG DEN-SHR MAR 1.0>0.5[0] APR 1.0>0.5[0] MAY 1.0>0.8[0] JUN 1.0>0.8[0]
KG DEN-TEX FEB 0>0.5[0] MAR 0>1.0[0]
KG RIW-SHR MAR 0.8>1.3[0] APR 0.9>1.4[0] MAY 0.9>1.7[0] JUN 0.8>1.6[0]


Sheridan and Riverton aren’t new routes, and I think they were already year round.

Is Key Lime Air (Denver Air Connection) starting Telluride too? I don’t know if TEX has ever had two airlines. There have been no announcements anywhere, and it’s not bookable on their site.
A319 A320 A321 A332 B1900 B717 B727 B737 B757 B767 B777 B787 CR2 CR7 CRJ9 E120 ERJ135 ERJ145 L1011 MD80 SF340 AvGeek Superstore
 
77H
Posts: 1394
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:27 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:49 pm

N174UA wrote:
AS suspension of KOA-PDX is interesting, especially for the summer months. Big Island isn't as popular as Maui or Kauai, and with SY coming in, looks like AS is feeling the impact the most in this market.


SY only serves HNL so I have doubts they have anything to do with AS’ PDX-KOA service being dropped. That said, I agree that it is peculiar as it leaves KOA without a nonstop from/to PDX.

I wonder if this suspension of service has more to do with the eruption of Kilauea last year. While the eruption was confined to relatively small area, sensationalism by the media, led to a lot of people to cancel their vacations to the Big Island. The local tourism economy was severally impacted as a result. While the eruption ended in August, those not keeping track of current events out here may just be “playing it safe” and simply choosing another island.

77H
 
wedgetail737
Posts: 4956
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2003 8:44 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:55 pm

RJNUT wrote:
seemingly out of nowhere Contour is taking over TBN's EAS air contract with ERJ 135's. Zero connectivity , of course, but they wanted to move on from Cape Air.


That's quite the upgrade from a small, relatively-cramped Cessna 402 to a 30-seat E-135 with a 36-inch pitch. At least, LF didn't apply another J31 on that route. I think they still use one on the BNA-TUP route. Hopefully, they'll use it...or they'll lose it.
 
Cubsrule
Posts: 13777
Joined: Sat May 15, 2004 12:13 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:57 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
knope2001 wrote:
I don't think any cities served UA* or DL* (which are nearly all Skywest) have left the EAS rolls except for Williston, but they are an odd case due to the shale oil boom.


DL was first to serve COU among the current US3 (before leaving the market when AA entered), but that may have been part of EAS at the time.


Correct, and IINM it actually started pre-merger as NW Airlink to MEM.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
 
RJNUT
Posts: 1764
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 1999 1:58 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:59 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
enilria wrote:
KG DEN-RIW MAR 1.8>1.3[0] APR 1.9>1.4[0]
KG DEN-SHR MAR 1.0>0.5[0] APR 1.0>0.5[0] MAY 1.0>0.8[0] JUN 1.0>0.8[0]
KG DEN-TEX FEB 0>0.5[0] MAR 0>1.0[0]
KG RIW-SHR MAR 0.8>1.3[0] APR 0.9>1.4[0] MAY 0.9>1.7[0] JUN 0.8>1.6[0]



Is Key Lime Air (Denver Air Connection) starting Telluride too? I don’t know if TEX has ever had two airlines. There have been no announcements anywhere, and it’s not bookable on their site.

Here is a job posting for part time station agent at TEX for KG

https://www.indeed.com/q-Denver-Air-Con ... 8b65ca2e57
 
Chuska
Posts: 201
Joined: Mon May 24, 2010 4:59 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:34 pm

Telluride was pretty busy in the 1990s and early 2000's. There were several occasions with multiple airlines: UA* CO* DL* HP* US* have all served the airport at periods during this time.
 
AirFiero
Posts: 1230
Joined: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:43 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:40 pm

N174UA wrote:
AS suspension of KOA-PDX is interesting, especially for the summer months. Big Island isn't as popular as Maui or Kauai, and with SY coming in, looks like AS is feeling the impact the most in this market.


It’s going to be interesting to see what effects happen when WN starts Hawaii.
 
Chuska
Posts: 201
Joined: Mon May 24, 2010 4:59 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:42 pm

Thanks also to knope2001 for all his info in remark #11. Grand Island also recently received a third flight to DFW and two flights have been upgraded to CR7s or CR9s. I could see GRI getting ORD flights in the near future and weaning off EAS as well.
 
User avatar
SANFan
Posts: 4990
Joined: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:10 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:45 pm

N174UA wrote:
AS suspension of KOA-PDX is interesting, especially for the summer months. Big Island isn't as popular as Maui or Kauai, and with SY coming in, looks like AS is feeling the impact the most in this market.

A bit of service history might help here.

In Summer of 2017, and in prior years, PDX saw only service to HNL and OGG -- no service to either Kauai or The Big Island existed; in the peak winter season for Hawaii, all 4 islands were served from PDX.

Last summer, 2018, KOA-PDX was added, I believe for the first time; LIH-PDX was not. Again in the winter, all 4 islands are served.

Looks like the KOA service didn't do very well last summer so this summer (2019) the route will again be seasonally dropped, probably to return in November. Same situation with LIH. A lot of the people in Portland are probably very happy to enjoy the summer at home; in the winter, The Big Island and Kauai see lots of travelers looking for the sun and warm temperatures!

bb
 
32andBelow
Posts: 3951
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:54 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:23 pm

7H is quickly consolidating service with KS. The combined carrier is now operated less combined flights to Bristol bay then KS was alone. They also have began laying off KS staff.
 
MrBretz
Posts: 314
Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:13 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:27 pm

I am surprised by AS getting rid of the KOA-PDX route. The volcano has stopped. The air is as clear as it has been in at least 10 years. I finally saw the “mountains” over Kona recently. They used to be in haze in the past. I would visit if I were you.
 
Italianflyer
Posts: 641
Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:06 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:59 pm

Good luck to VC on that BHM thing.
I don't think BHM-MOB has been done in 30 years.
 
ctrabs0114
Posts: 838
Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:09 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:32 pm

F9 attempting DFW-LAS? Yeah, we'll see how well that works, especially with AA and NK flying the route (not to mention WN DAL-LAS). I have to wonder how much longer the dartboard theory will work for F9...
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), 739 (DL), 712 (DL)
Next: AA: DFW-PHL (752), PHL-MIA (763), MIA-LAX (77W), LAX-DFW (789)
 
jetstream3399
Posts: 40
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:52 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:11 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
seemingly out of nowhere Contour is taking over TBN's EAS air contract with ERJ 135's. Zero connectivity , of course, but they wanted to move on from Cape Air.


That's quite the upgrade from a small, relatively-cramped Cessna 402 to a 30-seat E-135 with a 36-inch pitch. At least, LF didn't apply another J31 on that route. I think they still use one on the BNA-TUP route. Hopefully, they'll use it...or they'll lose it.


The last Jetstreams will be retired in Q2. TUP goes RJ in the spring.
 
lhpdx
Posts: 864
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:36 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:25 pm

MrBretz wrote:
I am surprised by AS getting rid of the KOA-PDX route. The volcano has stopped. The air is as clear as it has been in at least 10 years. I finally saw the “mountains” over Kona recently. They used to be in haze in the past. I would visit if I were you.


Looks like we're witnessing the slow downsizing of AS PDX hub........
 
N174UA
Posts: 1010
Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:17 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:39 pm

MrBretz wrote:
I am surprised by AS getting rid of the KOA-PDX route. The volcano has stopped. The air is as clear as it has been in at least 10 years. I finally saw the “mountains” over Kona recently. They used to be in haze in the past. I would visit if I were you.


I was last there in 2012, and just booked a return trip on DL today. Staying in Kona, and looking forward to seeing the difference in the volcano.

Once word gets out that the volcano risk is gone (well, for the foreseable future anyway) then more people will come back.

I agree with what another poster said about WN starting Hawaii service. If SY does well, then I could see them expanding to other islands eventually.
 
User avatar
piedmontf284000
Posts: 406
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:00 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:41 pm

knope2001 wrote:

enilria wrote:
*AA JLN-ORD JUN 0>1.7[0] JUL 0>2[0] AUG 0>2[0] SEP 0>2[0] OCT 0>2[0]


This is another city graduating out of the EAS program. American stated in October that when the current EAS contract for 2x/day JLN-DFW ends in late February they would continue to serve Joplin subsidy-free. Joplin is offering a $600k revenue guarantee for these new Chicago flights and there is word that a third DFW flight will come in summer.

Joplin like fellow EAS "graduates" Columbia, Sioux City and Manhattan fell into a nasty cycle of poor service leading to decreased traffic. With branded twice-daily RJ service all four of them not only were weaned off of EAS subsidy, but all have grown to support a third or fourth flight. If I'm not mistaken what these cities have in common is they had AA*. I don't think any cities served UA* or DL* (which are nearly all Skywest) have left the EAS rolls except for Williston, but they are an odd case due to the shale oil boom. AA* still has a few EAS left including Garden City, Waterloo and Grand Island but has not sought any new ones in years.


AA is currently charging $1200 R/T for JLN-ORD, that's insane! With those prices, the flight won't last long at all. It almost seems like AA is trying to make the flight a failure, collect the full 600k and then dump the service when the contract ends.
 
TYSflyer
Posts: 220
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:44 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:54 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
knope2001 wrote:

enilria wrote:
*AA JLN-ORD JUN 0>1.7[0] JUL 0>2[0] AUG 0>2[0] SEP 0>2[0] OCT 0>2[0]


This is another city graduating out of the EAS program. American stated in October that when the current EAS contract for 2x/day JLN-DFW ends in late February they would continue to serve Joplin subsidy-free. Joplin is offering a $600k revenue guarantee for these new Chicago flights and there is word that a third DFW flight will come in summer.

Joplin like fellow EAS "graduates" Columbia, Sioux City and Manhattan fell into a nasty cycle of poor service leading to decreased traffic. With branded twice-daily RJ service all four of them not only were weaned off of EAS subsidy, but all have grown to support a third or fourth flight. If I'm not mistaken what these cities have in common is they had AA*. I don't think any cities served UA* or DL* (which are nearly all Skywest) have left the EAS rolls except for Williston, but they are an odd case due to the shale oil boom. AA* still has a few EAS left including Garden City, Waterloo and Grand Island but has not sought any new ones in years.


AA is currently charging $1200 R/T for JLN-ORD, that's insane! With those prices, the flight won't last long at all. It almost seems like AA is trying to make the flight a failure, collect the full 600k and then dump the service when the contract ends.

For some reason I cannot explain, when AA opens a new route like this it will frequently have ridiculous fares. Check back on it in a few days and you’ll see much more reasonable fares. Maybe someone that understands the software can explain why this happens.
 
User avatar
johnboy
Posts: 3023
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 1999 9:09 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:07 pm

I sure do miss Mariner commenting pithily and sardonically about F9!
 
User avatar
RWA380
Posts: 5446
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:51 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:15 pm

N174UA wrote:
AS suspension of KOA-PDX is interesting, especially for the summer months. Big Island isn't as popular as Maui or Kauai, and with SY coming in, looks like AS is feeling the impact the most in this market.


AS has been seasonal on PDX-KOA, they extended the season to cover spring break in Oregon & Washington then drop it in summer. When we flew last year in December it was packed & we left standbys behind. AS just started SMF-KOA to get a jump on WN.

AS is NOT dropping PDX-KOA it’s going seasonal this year to make the best use of their fleet. The route starts back in November.
707, 717, 720, 727-1/2, 737-1/2/3/4/5/7/8/9, 747-1/2/3, 757, 767-2/3/4, 777-2/3, DC8, DC9, MD80/2/7/8, D10-1/3/4, M11, L10-2/5, A300/310/319/320
AA AC AQ BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WN WP YS 8M
 
FlyHossD
Posts: 1889
Joined: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:45 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:47 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
Is Key Lime Air (Denver Air Connection) starting Telluride too? I don’t know if TEX has ever had two airlines. There have been no announcements anywhere, and it’s not bookable on their site.


IIRC, CO-EX started DHC-7 service from DEN to TEX around 1986 or 87, but it was seasonal. Once they received BE1900s, the service became daily year-round. Mesa served TEX, too, at least in the winter and summer and then SkyWest started flying EMB-120s (from LAX? Stopping in St. George on the way back). At times, TEX has had plenty of service.
My statements do not represent my former employer or my current employer and are my opinions only.
 
tbboko802
Posts: 136
Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:12 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:53 pm

Thank you so much for posting this every week, it is much appreciated.

I just wanted to point out that that UA's IAH-PBI route has been seasonal for several years, IAH-RNO returning to daily service is great news. In addition, F9's IAH-RDU resumes in May.

IAH is looking to be near or exceed 8% overall passenger growth for 2018. This would put Houston Bush between 43 million and little over 44 million. Either way a new mark! Hobby is looking to exceed 14.3 million ( a conservative estimate), which is also a new mark.

Thanks as always!
Be Open to Change
 
flyoregon
Posts: 698
Joined: Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:29 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:03 pm

lhpdx wrote:
MrBretz wrote:
I am surprised by AS getting rid of the KOA-PDX route. The volcano has stopped. The air is as clear as it has been in at least 10 years. I finally saw the “mountains” over Kona recently. They used to be in haze in the past. I would visit if I were you.


Looks like we're witnessing the slow downsizing of AS PDX hub........


Not quite.
 
User avatar
A333MSPtoAMS
Posts: 305
Joined: Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:18 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:04 pm

eaa3 wrote:
enilria wrote:
eaa3 wrote:

Note that they upsized the planes from B737-8 to B757-300. That’s an increase from 160 to 225 per flight, or 40%. That means that they decreased the frequency by 36% but increased the seats per flight by 40%. That leaves the amount of seats pretty much unchanged and a daily service.

Wasn't it a 757-300 routinely in the past?


It’s generally been a B757-200.


Historically it's been a mish mash of flights. Last year we had two daily 752s during must if the year, which switched to a 737MAX8 in the end of October for the duration of the winter season.

The year before we had a mix of 752 & 767. Before that was mostly a daily 757.
As of Dec 2018 I've flown 417,862 miles on 250 flights on 51 airplane types with 55 airlines traveling thru 97 airports in 43 countries. I've visited 59 countries. 2019 is looking like a pretty decent year for me.
http://cronkflies.com
 
StinkyPinky
Posts: 10
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:03 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:30 pm

enilria wrote:
B6 BOS-LGB MAR 1.6>1.2[1.0] APR 1.6>1.0[1.0] MAY 1.6>1.0[1.0] JUN 1.7>0.9[1.0] JUL 1.9>1.0[1.0] AUG 1.8>1.0[1.0]
B6 LGB-SEA MAR 1.0>1.6[1.6] APR 1.0>1.9[2] MAY 1.0>2[2.0] JUN 1.0>2[2] JUL 1.0>2[2] AUG 1.0>2[2]


Good to see JetBlue adding back the 2nd daily flight to SEA. Is this slot the same one used for BZN/HDN? Or from the BOS day flight? I'm surprised there is no real news on whats happening to the slots at LGB. Other than WN adding LGB-SJC 4x daily starting April 8th.
 
TWA902fly
Posts: 3032
Joined: Fri Dec 31, 1999 5:47 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:32 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
knope2001 wrote:
I don't think any cities served UA* or DL* (which are nearly all Skywest) have left the EAS rolls except for Williston, but they are an odd case due to the shale oil boom.


DL was first to serve COU among the current US3 (before leaving the market when AA entered), but that may have been part of EAS at the time.


Prior to DL there was a gap in service. Before that there was NW/Mesaba with Saabs to MEM, and USAirways/Air Midwest with Beech 1900's to MCI, not at the same time however. Both of these operated after 2000.

'902
life wasn't worth the balance, or the crumpled paper it was written on
 
hoya
Posts: 546
Joined: Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:25 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:50 pm

AirFiero wrote:
N174UA wrote:
AS suspension of KOA-PDX is interesting, especially for the summer months. Big Island isn't as popular as Maui or Kauai, and with SY coming in, looks like AS is feeling the impact the most in this market.


It’s going to be interesting to see what effects happen when WN starts Hawaii.


Especially on AS's Hawaii routes from SJC, OAK, and SAN. AS has reduced Hawaii flying from LAX and SFO after all the growth from everyone else. SFO-KOA isn't even daily in the summer. They're feeling the pressure from everyone, and WN will only make it worse for them.
Hoya Saxa!!
 
EvanWSFO
Posts: 1093
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:22 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:06 pm

hoya wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
N174UA wrote:
AS suspension of KOA-PDX is interesting, especially for the summer months. Big Island isn't as popular as Maui or Kauai, and with SY coming in, looks like AS is feeling the impact the most in this market.


It’s going to be interesting to see what effects happen when WN starts Hawaii.


Especially on AS's Hawaii routes from SJC, OAK, and SAN. AS has reduced Hawaii flying from LAX and SFO after all the growth from everyone else. SFO-KOA isn't even daily in the summer. They're feeling the pressure from everyone, and WN will only make it worse for them.


When did AS fly SFO-KOA?
I have been on this site 15 years. A unrecoverable email account led me to starting over. Those of you who call me a rookie, you may stop ok?
 
FATFlyer
Posts: 4817
Joined: Fri May 18, 2001 4:12 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:12 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
When did AS fly SFO-KOA?


AS 755 is currently operating SFO-KOA. Departs SFO 11:55am.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
 
717atOGG
Posts: 826
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:10 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:13 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
hoya wrote:
AirFiero wrote:

It’s going to be interesting to see what effects happen when WN starts Hawaii.


Especially on AS's Hawaii routes from SJC, OAK, and SAN. AS has reduced Hawaii flying from LAX and SFO after all the growth from everyone else. SFO-KOA isn't even daily in the summer. They're feeling the pressure from everyone, and WN will only make it worse for them.


When did AS fly SFO-KOA?

They fly it right now, and have since December 2017 (albeit with Airbus equipment for the first few months). It currently operates 4x weekly.
Long live the Boeing 757!
 
EvanWSFO
Posts: 1093
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:22 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:20 pm

717atOGG wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
hoya wrote:

Especially on AS's Hawaii routes from SJC, OAK, and SAN. AS has reduced Hawaii flying from LAX and SFO after all the growth from everyone else. SFO-KOA isn't even daily in the summer. They're feeling the pressure from everyone, and WN will only make it worse for them.


When did AS fly SFO-KOA?

They fly it right now, and have since December 2017 (albeit with Airbus equipment for the first few months). It currently operates 4x weekly.


OK, I forgot it was a former VX route. My bad.
I have been on this site 15 years. A unrecoverable email account led me to starting over. Those of you who call me a rookie, you may stop ok?
 
User avatar
enilria
Topic Author
Posts: 9387
Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:15 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:45 pm

lhpdx wrote:
MrBretz wrote:
I am surprised by AS getting rid of the KOA-PDX route. The volcano has stopped. The air is as clear as it has been in at least 10 years. I finally saw the “mountains” over Kona recently. They used to be in haze in the past. I would visit if I were you.


Looks like we're witnessing the slow downsizing of AS PDX hub........

The one place they are not under competitive pressure...yet. SY is pursuing it. I wonder if NK or F9 would be smart to go in with 20 routes and low frequency?
knope2001 wrote:
Thanks as always, enilria!

:)
jb1087xna wrote:
Thanks as always for these posts!

:)
 
joeblow10
Posts: 190
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:58 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:11 am

hoya wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
N174UA wrote:
AS suspension of KOA-PDX is interesting, especially for the summer months. Big Island isn't as popular as Maui or Kauai, and with SY coming in, looks like AS is feeling the impact the most in this market.


It’s going to be interesting to see what effects happen when WN starts Hawaii.


Especially on AS's Hawaii routes from SJC, OAK, and SAN. AS has reduced Hawaii flying from LAX and SFO after all the growth from everyone else. SFO-KOA isn't even daily in the summer. They're feeling the pressure from everyone, and WN will only make it worse for them.


Everyone is feeling pressure in Hawaii - not just AS. This is just classic AS cutting things back early if it sees something not working or meeting some minimum margin.

With SY appearing to take Hawaii seriously, WN about to enter, and UA having added capacity in the past year, Hawaii is no longer as profitable as it once was - AS is just responding sensibly i.m.o. I'll be interested to see how things evolve over the next year as more and more capacity is added, I don't think only AS is going to be losing out
 
User avatar
SANFan
Posts: 4990
Joined: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:10 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:55 am

lhpdx wrote:
Looks like we're witnessing the slow downsizing of AS PDX hub........

Yup... Couldn't agree more.... But on the bright side, looks like PDX will soon be a Sun Country focus city as they take up the slack!

bb
 
TheGov
Posts: 381
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2003 6:44 am

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:59 am

*F9 LAS-MEM MAR 0.3>0[0.6] APR 0.3>0[0.6]


A number of MEM folks have been wishing for a WN MEM-LAS trip so I'm not sure if F9 pulling out is good news on that front. There are two ways of looking at WN and the MEM-LAS market now: 1- F9 did the "market research" for WN by flying the route and decided the revenue wasn't there, especially when competing with G4. Even with the F9 departure from the route, WN comes to the same conclusion and opts for the status quo or 2 - WN feels that they can now step in and split the market with G4 and to further increase the marketability of the new flight, they offer further connections to the west coast via LAS instead of DEN.

Either way, the MEM faction will be watching closely.
Always a pallbearer, never a corpse.
 
User avatar
jfklganyc
Posts: 5370
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:31 pm

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:26 am

So SYs big expansion to NY is -1 flight from last summer? haha

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos