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Boeing 707 crashes in Iran

Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:35 am

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran ... 80CF?il=0I

DUBAI (Reuters) - A Boeing 707 cargo plane with nine people on board crashed on Monday near Iran’s Fath airport, west of the capital, Tehran, the semi-official Fars news agency reported, adding that there was no immediate information on casualties.

“We don’t have clear information about the details of the crash,” said the head of Iran’s emergency department, Pirhossein Kolivand.

Fath airport is near Karaj in the central province of Alborz.
Iranian state television showed pictures of a plume of smoke rising from the crash site. Some reports on Iranian media said 10 people were on board and that they were killed.

TV said rescue teams had been sent to the area, between the airports of Fath and Payam.

“We do not know yet whether it was an Iranian or foreign cargo plane,” a local official told TV.


If it was a 707 I'm pretty sure it was an Iranian plane.
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Re: Boeing 707 crashes in Iran

Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:49 am

Reported as Saha Air enroute from Kyrgyzstan.
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Re: Boeing 707 crashes in Iran

Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:49 am

Anyone have any idea who is flying a 707 as a cargo plane still???
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Re: Boeing 707 crashes in Iran

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:10 am

http://en.mehrnews.com/news/141480/Boei ... ear-Tehran

Apparently tried landing at the wrong airport
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Re: Boeing 707 crashes in Iran

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:20 am

According to this source it was a Kyrgyzstani cargo plane.
Photos and video: https://twitter.com/IribnewsEn/status/1 ... 3522370560
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:24 am

ASN mentions that the aicrraft involved is EP-CPP of the Iran Air Force.

A Boeing 707-300 cargo plane, operated by the Iranian Air Force has crashed near Tehran in adverse weather conditions. According to first reports, the plane landed on the wrong airport: Fath Airport instead of Payam Airport. The runways of both airports are almost in line. The thresholds of runways 30 and 31L are 10 km apart.
The pilot lost control of the airplane upon landing. It smashed through an airport wall and came to rest in a town near the airport. The airplane was transporting meat.
According to local media, all ten occupants died in the crash. The plane was destroyed.


https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=220796
 
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Re: Boeing 707 crashes in Iran

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:25 am

airkas1 wrote:
According to this source it was a Kyrgyzstani cargo plane.
Photos and video: https://twitter.com/IribnewsEn/status/1 ... 3522370560


Yeah the reports on that seem conflicting and I honestly don't understand why anyone but Iran would still be flying a 707.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:27 am

The confusion is/was probably caused by the fact that someone incorrectly assumed it was a Kyrgyzstani aircraft because it departed from Bishkek.
 
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Re: Boeing 707 crashes in Iran

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:35 am

airkas1 wrote:
The confusion is/was probably caused by the fact that someone incorrectly assumed it was a Kyrgyzstani aircraft because it departed from Bishkek.


Now Reuters says:
A spokeswoman for Kyrgyzstan’s Manas airport said the plane, en route from Kyrgyzstan’s Manas airport, belonged to Iran’s Payam Air.


The abundance of conflicting information leads me to believe it probably belongs to the Iranian air force.

Edit: looked up photos of EP-CPP, looks correct.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:53 am

This must be the first air accident in 2019 as I searched. Not to mention smaller plane crashes since January 1 2019.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:54 am

The aircraft registration is EP-CPP. Was already 42 years old and one of the aircraft flying in these days.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:01 am

SQ789 wrote:
This must be the first air accident in 2019.

Depends on your criteria :wink2:
 
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RIP and condolences to the victims families in this tragedy.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:13 am

Jouhou wrote:
airkas1 wrote:
According to this source it was a Kyrgyzstani cargo plane.
Photos and video: https://twitter.com/IribnewsEn/status/1 ... 3522370560


Yeah the reports on that seem conflicting and I honestly don't understand why anyone but Iran would still be flying a 707.


Because of the US sanctions against Iran keeping them from buying new aircraft?

And because they are paid off I guess. As long as the maintenance is top notch (which I think it is in Iran), you won't get problems with old aircraft. And I guess on top circumventing the sanctions and buying used planes ain't as easy as everyone makes you believe. Otherwise we would see way more used planes in Iran.
 
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Jouhou wrote:
airkas1 wrote:
According to this source it was a Kyrgyzstani cargo plane.
Photos and video: https://twitter.com/IribnewsEn/status/1 ... 3522370560


Yeah the reports on that seem conflicting and I honestly don't understand why anyone but Iran would still be flying a 707.


Because of the US sanctions against Iran keeping them from buying new aircraft?

And because they are paid off I guess. As long as the maintenance is top notch (which I think it is in Iran), you won't get problems with old aircraft. And I guess on top circumventing the sanctions and buying used planes ain't as easy as everyone makes you believe. Otherwise we would see way more used planes in Iran.


Yes...
It gets expensive maintaining aircraft that old, that's why no one else does it.

However it seems maintenance was not what brought about this hull loss.
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Re: Boeing 707 crashes in Iran

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:46 am

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran ... SKCN1P80CF

Now confirmed to be a military flight. Casualties is now up to 15, with one person surviving.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:30 am

RIP to the victims, and commiserations to their families. :( Obviously our words won't help them much at this time though.

Sad to see a beautiful old plane go as well.
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:05 am

"Yeah the reports on that seem conflicting and I honestly don't understand why anyone but Iran would still be flying a 707."

It was a Military plane. Actually, when looking at the USAF and NATO, there are still many KC-135s and AWACS around which in principle have a lot in common with the 707. Nato even had "real" 707 until some years ago, but I believe they are all gone now. The Luftwaffe flew one until 1999, and the Israel Air Force as well.
 
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Are there now any other operational true 707s (besides the K/C-135s)?
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Re: Boeing 707 crashes in Iran

Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:43 am

KFLLCFII wrote:
Are there now any other operational true 707s (besides the K/C-135s)?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... _operators

Apparently more than I thought.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:24 pm

Look like they were on the wrong runway:

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Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:11 pm

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Look like they were on the wrong runway:

And in addition:
Another aircraft had confused the same airports but gone around in time, see Incident: Taban MD88 at Karaj on Nov 16th 2018, went around from very low height at wrong airport.

Source: http://avherald.com/h?article=4c2d9613&opt=0

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Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:55 pm

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Are there now any other operational true 707s (besides the K/C-135s)?


Not to nitpick, but the KC-135 is not the military version of the 707. The -135 has a narrower fuselage among other things.
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AWACS are 707’s operated by US military
 
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Just to clear up any confusion; if the downed 707 is c/n 21128, it was originally 5-8312 IRIAF, more recently EP-SHK of Saha Air, reverted briefly to 5-8312, and most recently flew as EP-CPP


KFLLCFII wrote:
Are there now any other operational true 707s (besides the K/C-135s)?

This depends quite what you mean by "true" 707s.
As another poster has pointed out; KC-135s don't count because they are in fact Boeing 717s with a totally different fuselage.

However, there are still some 707s still flying, albeit with military operators, and in most cases miltary designations.
I don't suppose this is quite what you had in mind; FACh EB-707 Condor
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:36 pm

Was this the last 707 with the large passenger windows in the back?
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Just to clear up any confusion; if the downed 707 is c/n 21128, it was originally 5-8312 IRIAF, more recently EP-SHK of Saha Air, reverted briefly to 5-8312, and most recently flew as EP-CPP


KFLLCFII wrote:
Are there now any other operational true 707s (besides the K/C-135s)?

This depends quite what you mean by "true" 707s.
As another poster has pointed out; KC-135s don't count because they are in fact Boeing 717s with a totally different fuselage.

However, there are still some 707s still flying, albeit with military operators, and in most cases miltary designations.
I don't suppose this is quite what you had in mind; FACh EB-707 Condor
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There is still one true commercial 707 operator - Omega Air Tanker.

RIP to the victims. Sad to think this was a case of landing at the wrong airport.
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:08 pm

Seems part of the fuselage held up well, as did the house.

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KFLLCFII wrote:
Are there now any other operational true 707s (besides the K/C-135s)?


Not to nitpick, but the KC-135 is not the military version of the 707. The -135 has a narrower fuselage among other things.



It may not be a true 707 but both the 707 and KC-135 were developed from the Dash 80, so it is still a close close relative.
 
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Seems part of the fuselage held up well, as did the house.

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Cruel, looks almost like a train entering a tunnel... :-(
 
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As another poster has pointed out; KC-135s don't count because they are in fact Boeing 717s with a totally different fuselage.



I'm not going to claim expertise on antique airplanes but I'm pretty sure the KC-135 and the 717 are very different planes.
 
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Not meaning to critisize anyone here, this is a genuine question, but how exactly can you confuse two airports, especially when one is tiny?
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mham001 wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
As another poster has pointed out; KC-135s don't count because they are in fact Boeing 717s with a totally different fuselage.



I'm not going to claim expertise on antique airplanes but I'm pretty sure the KC-135 and the 717 are very different planes.

He is referring to the original 717
 
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SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Just to clear up any confusion; if the downed 707 is c/n 21128, it was originally 5-8312 IRIAF, more recently EP-SHK of Saha Air, reverted briefly to 5-8312, and most recently flew as EP-CPP


KFLLCFII wrote:
Are there now any other operational true 707s (besides the K/C-135s)?

This depends quite what you mean by "true" 707s.
As another poster has pointed out; KC-135s don't count because they are in fact Boeing 717s with a totally different fuselage.

However, there are still some 707s still flying, albeit with military operators, and in most cases miltary designations.
I don't suppose this is quite what you had in mind; FACh EB-707 Condor
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SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Just to clear up any confusion; if the downed 707 is c/n 21128, it was originally 5-8312 IRIAF, more recently EP-SHK of Saha Air, reverted briefly to 5-8312, and most recently flew as EP-CPP


KFLLCFII wrote:
Are there now any other operational true 707s (besides the K/C-135s)?

This depends quite what you mean by "true" 707s.
As another poster has pointed out; KC-135s don't count because they are in fact Boeing 717s with a totally different fuselage.

However, there are still some 707s still flying, albeit with military operators, and in most cases miltary designations.
I don't suppose this is quite what you had in mind; FACh EB-707 Condor
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B717 ? What?


OA940 wrote:
Not meaning to critisize anyone here, this is a genuine question, but how exactly can you confuse two airports, especially when one is tiny?
Those ocurrences are much more common that you might think off.
 
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iirc the original Boeing 717 was supposed to be a military 707-like variant.
 
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Not meaning to critisize anyone here, this is a genuine question, but how exactly can you confuse two airports, especially when one is tiny?


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Looks like some here are either confused or too young to know that the KC-135 is the original 717.
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Etheereal wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Just to clear up any confusion; if the downed 707 is c/n 21128, it was originally 5-8312 IRIAF, more recently EP-SHK of Saha Air, reverted briefly to 5-8312, and most recently flew as EP-CPP


KFLLCFII wrote:
Are there now any other operational true 707s (besides the K/C-135s)?

This depends quite what you mean by "true" 707s.
As another poster has pointed out; KC-135s don't count because they are in fact Boeing 717s with a totally different fuselage.

However, there are still some 707s still flying, albeit with military operators, and in most cases miltary designations.
I don't suppose this is quite what you had in mind; FACh EB-707 Condor
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B717 ? What?


The currently-flying B717 (the MD-95) is the second plane to get that designation. The original Boeing model 717 became the C-135 military transport. It was never sold into airline service as a 717, but the KC-135 is the tanker version of the original model 717, known as C-135 in the USAF.
 
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I'm not going to claim expertise on antique airplanes but I'm pretty sure the KC-135 and the 717 are very different planes.


Boeing's original model 367-80 - the one that started it all - had a comparatively narrow fuselage that could only accommodate five-abreast seating.



Some civilian airlines interested in the design asked for the cabin to be widened to accommodate a six-abreast layout. Boeing designated this version the 707.

The military however found the 367-80 to its liking the way it was (at least with respect to its general dimensions). Retaining the original fuselage width, this variant was designated by Boeing as the 717, with production versions being the 717-100. However, since they saw use only in military circles, over time they became associated solely with their military designation, C-135.

When Boeing much later acquired McDonnell Douglas and its MD-95 program, it decided to recycle the 717 designation (largely forgotten by this time), renaming the new aircraft into the 717-200. As was the case with the C-135, the designation "717" soon became exclusively associated with the MD-95.

(another - albeit very brief - use of the 717 designation was for the 720, which was for a while known as the 717-020 )
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mham001 wrote:
I'm not going to claim expertise on antique airplanes but I'm pretty sure the KC-135 and the 717 are very different planes.


Boeing's original model 367-80 - the one that started it all - had a comparatively narrow fuselage that could only accommodate five-abreast seating.



Some civilian airlines interested in the design asked for the cabin to be widened to accommodate a six-abreast layout. Boeing designated this version the 707.

The military however found the 367-80 to its liking the way it was (at least with respect to its general dimensions). Retaining the original fuselage width, this variant was designated by Boeing as the 717, with production versions being the 717-100. However, since they saw use only in military circles, over time they became associated solely with their military designation, C-135.

When Boeing much later acquired McDonnell Douglas and its MD-95 program, it decided to recycle the 717 designation (largely forgotten by this time), renaming the new aircraft into the 717-200. As was the case with the C-135, the designation "717" soon became exclusively associated with the MD-95.

(another - albeit very brief - use of the 717 designation was for the 720, which was for a while known as the 717-020 )


Perfectly written, thanks for this.
 
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Look like they were on the wrong runway:

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True. Their plan was to land at Payam Airport.
 
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Seems we have all too soon forgotten about the Dreamlifter which landed at Jabara Airport in Wichita, KS instead of landing at McConnell AFB. http://avherald.com/h?article=46bcd7c5
 
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Seems we have all too soon forgotten about the Dreamlifter which landed at Jabara Airport in Wichita, KS instead of landing at McConnell AFB. http://avherald.com/h?article=46bcd7c5


And the Northwest DC10 flying from DTW to FRA landing in BRU

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Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:12 pm

It's so painful to know that about a month ago, Taban Airlines MD-88 made the same mistake but luckily the crew aborted the landing in the final moment.. That incident should have been an eye-opener:

http://avherald.com/h?article=4c19bb8a
 
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SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Just to clear up any confusion; if the downed 707 is c/n 21128, it was originally 5-8312 IRIAF, more recently EP-SHK of Saha Air, reverted briefly to 5-8312, and most recently flew as EP-CPP


KFLLCFII wrote:
Are there now any other operational true 707s (besides the K/C-135s)?

This depends quite what you mean by "true" 707s.
As another poster has pointed out; KC-135s don't count because they are in fact Boeing 717s with a totally different fuselage.

However, there are still some 707s still flying, albeit with military operators, and in most cases miltary designations.
I don't suppose this is quite what you had in mind; FACh EB-707 Condor
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Wow that thing is ugly as hell...
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TripleDelta wrote:
mham001 wrote:
I'm not going to claim expertise on antique airplanes but I'm pretty sure the KC-135 and the 717 are very different planes.


Boeing's original model 367-80 - the one that started it all - had a comparatively narrow fuselage that could only accommodate five-abreast seating.



Some civilian airlines interested in the design asked for the cabin to be widened to accommodate a six-abreast layout. Boeing designated this version the 707.

The military however found the 367-80 to its liking the way it was (at least with respect to its general dimensions). Retaining the original fuselage width, this variant was designated by Boeing as the 717, with production versions being the 717-100. However, since they saw use only in military circles, over time they became associated solely with their military designation, C-135.

When Boeing much later acquired McDonnell Douglas and its MD-95 program, it decided to recycle the 717 designation (largely forgotten by this time), renaming the new aircraft into the 717-200. As was the case with the C-135, the designation "717" soon became exclusively associated with the MD-95.

(another - albeit very brief - use of the 717 designation was for the 720, which was for a while known as the 717-020 )

The 367-80 had an even narrower fuselage, probably only 4 abreast. If you look at it nose on, the sides of the fuselage were flat. The KC-135 fuselage was larger and round. Boeing was going to use the same fuselage for the 707, but then Douglas offered the DC-8 with 6 abreast seating, and several airlines ordrered it that Boeing was hoping to win. So they changed the 707 fuselage to 6 abreast (the KC-135 was already in production so they couldn’t change it) and they went on to decisively beat the DC-8.
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AWACS are 707’s operated by US military

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OA940 wrote:
Not meaning to critisize anyone here, this is a genuine question, but how exactly can you confuse two airports, especially when one is tiny?


A Pan-American Boeing 707 in 1960 managed to land at Northolt, whose main runway is roughly parallel to the main ones at Heathrow but six or so miles to the north, which is where it was supposed to have landed, see https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1001607/. A Lufthansa 707 attempted this in 1964, but was deterred when a warning flare was fired.
 
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SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Just to clear up any confusion; if the downed 707 is c/n 21128, it was originally 5-8312 IRIAF, more recently EP-SHK of Saha Air, reverted briefly to 5-8312, and most recently flew as EP-CPP


Don't know if this is the same plane, but if it is, it's probably the only 707 to be in the same picture as an A350.

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