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Ethiopian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:44 am

Hi all,


Just saw that this flight was intercepted by the Indonesian Air Force and diverted to Batam. This flight was from Addis Ababa to Hong Kong. Do you know why this flight was intercepted?


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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:57 am

A flight from ADD to HKG going over Indonesian airspace ? Doesn't sound right to me...
 
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:04 am

Indeed, why such a southern route.

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Something doesn't add up. If a plane is intercepted, normally communication is restored and send on it's way, not forcefully landed.
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:13 am

Looking at FR24 -- it appears they diverted shortly before entering Indian airspace, flew direct over Sri Lanka and then on to Indonesia/Singapore -- where they did some loops before landing.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 8#1f2b5309
 
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:19 am

Immediately after take-off, they were heading in the wrong direction. If you look at previous flights, they are way more to the north. And why going south when you reach India? I would be interested in what happened here.
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:35 am

Very strange routing, maybe some problem with the overfly permits, also very strange that they diverted to Batam not to KUL, SIN or CGK.

Dutchy wrote:
Immediately after take-off, they were heading in the wrong direction. If you look at previous flights, they are way more to the north. And why going south when you reach India? I would be interested in what happened here.


I appears to me that they change course over India, not just after take off, Chinese airspace is a tricky one, very few airways and entry and exit points, from my point of view from ADD the best route to HKG is over Thailand, Laos, Vietnam and entering China via Sana FIR, The other option is Myanmar and then China via Kunming.

Dutchy wrote:
Indeed, why such a southern route.

That's not ADD.
 
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:44 am

migair54 wrote:
Very strange routing, maybe some problem with the overfly permits, also very strange that they diverted to Batam not to KUL, SIN or CGK.

Dutchy wrote:
Immediately after take-off, they were heading in the wrong direction. If you look at previous flights, they are way more to the north. And why going south when you reach India? I would be interested in what happened here.


I appears to me that they change course over India, not just after take off, Chinese airspace is a tricky one, very few airways and entry and exit points, from my point of view from ADD the best route to HKG is over Thailand, Laos, Vietnam and entering China via Sana FIR, The other option is Myanmar and then China via Kunming.

Dutchy wrote:
Indeed, why such a southern route.

That's not ADD.


Just look at the routing for this flight and the previous flight.

Image

Image

Normally, from ADD to the Gulf of Aden and then on to Mumbai.
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:53 am

Dutchy: you say compare these two pictures, but they are identical. I suspect gremlins at work, maybe check which file?
 
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:55 am

Maybe somebody cares to correct the spelling in the thread opener?
 
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:07 am

airevents wrote:
Maybe somebody cares to correct the spelling in the thread opener?

When you ask somebody or everybody, you'll get nobody.
Just use the report button right beside the reply one and you will have a mod's attention.
You're welcome.
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:05 pm

Looking at the GC mapper, it seemed to have planned the journey. Maybe dropping off some precious cargo on the way to HKG?
 
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:47 pm

Dutchy wrote:
migair54 wrote:
Very strange routing, maybe some problem with the overfly permits, also very strange that they diverted to Batam not to KUL, SIN or CGK.

Dutchy wrote:
Immediately after take-off, they were heading in the wrong direction. If you look at previous flights, they are way more to the north. And why going south when you reach India? I would be interested in what happened here.


I appears to me that they change course over India, not just after take off, Chinese airspace is a tricky one, very few airways and entry and exit points, from my point of view from ADD the best route to HKG is over Thailand, Laos, Vietnam and entering China via Sana FIR, The other option is Myanmar and then China via Kunming.

Dutchy wrote:
Indeed, why such a southern route.

That's not ADD.


Just look at the routing for this flight and the previous flight.

Image

Image

Normally, from ADD to the Gulf of Aden and then on to Mumbai.


because they planned to have a stop at SIN before heading to HKG
 
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:55 pm

Dutchy wrote:
migair54 wrote:
Very strange routing, maybe some problem with the overfly permits, also very strange that they diverted to Batam not to KUL, SIN or CGK.

Dutchy wrote:
Immediately after take-off, they were heading in the wrong direction. If you look at previous flights, they are way more to the north. And why going south when you reach India? I would be interested in what happened here.


I appears to me that they change course over India, not just after take off, Chinese airspace is a tricky one, very few airways and entry and exit points, from my point of view from ADD the best route to HKG is over Thailand, Laos, Vietnam and entering China via Sana FIR, The other option is Myanmar and then China via Kunming.

Dutchy wrote:
Indeed, why such a southern route.

That's not ADD.


Just look at the routing for this flight and the previous flight.

Image

Image

Normally, from ADD to the Gulf of Aden and then on to Mumbai.


Yes, that's the normal routing into HKG for most middle east airlines, via a waypoint called LINSO, however routes change daily due to winds, airspace restrictions, weather, ETOPS, company policy... but indeed it's quite different and the turn over India does not make sense.

HM789 wrote:
Looking at the GC mapper, it seemed to have planned the journey. Maybe dropping off some precious cargo on the way to HKG?

Do not see the GCmapper in china airspace, it's a very limited airspace for comercial operation and often with very long routings and few directs.
I am still surprise why do they landed in Batam.
 
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:47 pm

I find it rather noteworthy that they’re still in BTH. That seems to be quite a long layover.
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:53 pm

Interesting. I had no idea BTH had a 13k foot runway! I flew there last year.

Also interesting that it was built as a diversion airport. My cousins flight into SIN a couple weeks ago diverted to KUL and not BTH.
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:53 pm

paullam wrote:
I find it rather noteworthy that they’re still in BTH. That seems to be quite a long layover.

Probably waiting for Indonesian Authorities to interview them.
 
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:44 pm

https://m.detik.com/news/berita/4385115 ... -singapura
ET claim it's an unscheduled cargo flight to Singapore
Indonesia claim it entered Indonesian airspace without permission

Here is ET's statement: https://twitter.com/flyethiopian/status ... 3505819648
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Re: Ethipoian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:26 pm

c933103 wrote:
https://m.detik.com/news/berita/4385115/lintasi-indonesia-tanpa-izin-pesawat-ethiopia-ngaku-mau-ke-singapura
ET claim it's an unscheduled cargo flight to Singapore
Indonesia claim it entered Indonesian airspace without permission

Here is ET's statement: https://twitter.com/flyethiopian/status ... 3505819648


One would have expected radio contact at least despite no prior permission? They just barged into that airspace.
 
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Re: Ethiopian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:35 am

There appears to be a geopolitical issue at play here where Singapore controls the FIR over Riau Islands and Riau provinces of Indonesia.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/201 ... skies.html
 
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Re: Ethiopian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:04 am

berari wrote:
There appears to be a geopolitical issue at play here where Singapore controls the FIR over Riau Islands and Riau provinces of Indonesia.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/201 ... skies.html


Sounds like it. Indonesian Air Force picked a non-revenue cargo flight from a country that can't retaliate to demonstrate it has regained sovereign air space control from Singapore. Basically, your run of the mill Banana Republic stuff...

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