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Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:07 pm

MADPYRO wrote:
airkas1 wrote:
Noticed this in the comments underneath the first photo. Not sure if these timeframes were already known, so posting it here anyway:

It (=G-BYGC) be around for five years in these colors. Two more will be painted before the middle of March in much different livery’s and they be with us till this November before retirement unfortunately.

Comment made by the photographer.


I thought that CIVB and CIVE were sticking around past November? Someone else here said the retirement schedule had changed.....


So 2 of the 3 retro 744's will only fly for 8 months and be withdrawn after that? That may be bad news for me.

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Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:09 pm

Well, I hope that's not the case and I hope they will be around for longer. I was just quoting the photographer, I don't know whether he is right or not.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:32 pm

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Stunning. It's now my favorite looker. Love that fr24 has updated their picture of G-BYGC.
On its way to JFK but they are landing 31 (right now), so I won't see it today.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:42 pm

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A 787 painted on the BOAC Comet style livery. The 787's round nose would look smashing and reminiscent of the Comet's own round nose.


This is about as close as you'll get to that:
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:56 pm

garpd wrote:
B764er wrote:
A 787 painted on the BOAC Comet style livery. The 787's round nose would look smashing and reminiscent of the Comet's own round nose.


This is about as close as you'll get to that:
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They can practice on BA 788 G-ZBJE (awaiting its fate), or 'laugh' one of the three VS 789s sitting around at LHR.
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:58 pm

garpd wrote:
B764er wrote:
A 787 painted on the BOAC Comet style livery. The 787's round nose would look smashing and reminiscent of the Comet's own round nose.


This is about as close as you'll get to that:
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Fantastic!, Now that, the Red Square (BEA), the BOAC 747, and Negus or Landor would give a far better representation of the Centenary
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:19 pm

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skipness1E wrote:
vhtje wrote:

No. BA are recreating the final 1970-1974 BOAC livery, ie the livery worn by 747s. It was grey, not polished.


The first ones had bare metal undersides. Not sure about the white rectangle above the boac on the engines. Also, my OCD says the flag is misaligned. Yes I do need a life :)


White rectangle on engines is correct. And yeas, the flag is misaligned/too high.


They are not actually rectangles. The engine cowlings were meant to replicate the fuselage. The whole engine cowling should be white on the top and the blue cheatline should divide the white top from the silver (grey) underside. The engine cowlings were the fuselage colours in miniature.
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:23 pm

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They can practice on BA 788 G-ZBJE (awaiting its fate), or 'laugh' one of the three VS 789s sitting around at LHR.


OK, I must have missed that news, what's up with G-ZBJE?
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:45 pm

garpd wrote:
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They can practice on BA 788 G-ZBJE (awaiting its fate), or 'laugh' one of the three VS 789s sitting around at LHR.


OK, I must have missed that news, what's up with G-ZBJE?

It hasn’t flown since March due to the well reported engine issues. It has only recently had engines reattached.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:06 pm

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NickWebb wrote:
I was busy last night drawing new decals for the modelling world!!


Could you do some at 1:500 ?


Yes I could do that scale too!
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:08 pm

clipperlondon wrote:
garpd wrote:
B764er wrote:
A 787 painted on the BOAC Comet style livery. The 787's round nose would look smashing and reminiscent of the Comet's own round nose.


This is about as close as you'll get to that:
Image


Fantastic!, Now that, the Red Square (BEA), the BOAC 747, and Negus or Landor would give a far better representation of the Centenary


Nice drawing but you've got mixed style BOAC titles and the wrong speedbird on the tail but nonetheless great idea!
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:56 pm

garpd wrote:
B764er wrote:
A 787 painted on the BOAC Comet style livery. The 787's round nose would look smashing and reminiscent of the Comet's own round nose.


This is about as close as you'll get to that:
Image


That is absolutely stunning! :o :airplane:
The 787 is one of the most modern aircraft currently flying, and yet, retro liveries suit her very well. Her proportions are classic somehow, really timeless.

This one looks fantastic too:



BA will paint three 744s and one A320 in a retro livery, so sadly no 787 this time. How about a surprise for the 105th birthday? :bigthumbsup:
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:15 pm

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Fag packet = Negus & Negus.

Wasn't Landor the fag packet? The original crest on the B741 looked like the Rothmans King Size one, hence the name.
 
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:29 pm

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Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:25 pm

Her arrival at JFK today. Looking great!

 
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:06 pm

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panam330 wrote:
Man, this is just cool. Probably the most well done retrojet by any airline so far (IMO, of course). Can’t wait to see the others.


Sorry, no. I am underwhelmed. The belly painted warm grey? It was shiny metal on BOAC, only the wingbox was grey. At least the could have used metallic paint. Or, if so lazy to use grey, then cool grey, not almost brownish warm grey. BOAC logo on engines is positioned too high up, it should be vertically in the middle.

I had no idea my personal opinion was open for critique. I'll take it into consideration!

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Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:50 pm

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They are not actually rectangles. The engine cowlings were meant to replicate the fuselage. The whole engine cowling should be white on the top and the blue cheatline should divide the white top from the silver (grey) underside. The engine cowlings were the fuselage colours in miniature.


That’s never been the case, even on the photo you quoted you can clearly seen that. The while/blue band never extended the length of the engine cowl, even in the original 747-136 version applied from new.

You can clearly see the blue/white band never extended as for forward as the inlet lip, or as far aft as the end of the first section of nacelle.


And
Image
Link to original image;
http://www.edendale.co.uk/MAIP/BOAC.747.1.5.html

So I believe the current livery applied to the 747-400 is as accurate as possible given the much longer engine nacelle on the current model’s engine.

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Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:38 pm

I think it looks awesome. Well done BA.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:19 am

That is one good-looking Speedbird, although I would really have rather seen it on a 787-9. (But I understand the reasons for painting the 744.)
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 am

Hopefully will visit BOS soon
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:22 am

Hello,

Congratulations to BA for this great looking bird !! Love the retro liveries. Can not wait to see the other ones...

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Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:21 am

Crosswind wrote:
Aviaphile wrote:
They are not actually rectangles. The engine cowlings were meant to replicate the fuselage. The whole engine cowling should be white on the top and the blue cheatline should divide the white top from the silver (grey) underside. The engine cowlings were the fuselage colours in miniature.


That’s never been the case, even on the photo you quoted you can clearly seen that. The while/blue band never extended the length of the engine cowl, even in the original 747-136 version applied from new.

You can clearly see the blue/white band never extended as for forward as the inlet lip, or as far aft as the end of the first section of nacelle.


And
Image
Link to original image;
http://www.edendale.co.uk/MAIP/BOAC.747.1.5.html

So I believe the current livery applied to the 747-400 is as accurate as possible given the much longer engine nacelle on the current model’s engine.

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Interesting to note the placement of the jetbridge in this photo!
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:15 pm

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Her arrival at JFK today. Looking great!



Boy that is a good looking 747!!! Love it!!
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:54 pm

While it looks awesome . I still don’t think ba is 100 years old. But as a marketing exercise I think it’s achieved it’s aim
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:18 pm

This plane flew me LHR-JFK in December 1980, G-AWNE

It shows the P&W engines did have some white paint above the BOAC logo, and a black spot on her nose.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/BOAC/Bo ... v6CPL1Q%3D
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:35 pm

Does anyone know when G-CIVB or G-CIVE are heading for repaint? Or the A319 that's going to get the BEA scheme?
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:01 pm

UPJ repaint at Shannon 23 Feb - 3 Mar
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:15 pm

uta999 wrote:
This plane flew me LHR-JFK in December 1980, G-AWNE

It shows the P&W engines did have some white paint above the BOAC logo, and a black spot on her nose.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/BOAC/Bo ... v6CPL1Q%3D


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Me? I loved it. (Though you really felt the aircraft drop).
On the way back we also flew low over Boscombe Down airfield.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:08 am

British European Airways (BEA) will be the next heritage livery to take to the skies on an Airbus 319 British Airways. G-EUPJ will enter the IAC paint bay at Shannon Airport this weekend where it will be repainted with the BEA livery which flew predominantly on domestic and European routes between 1959 and 1968. However, there will be a significant difference with the replica; the aircraft will have a grey upper wing, rather than the traditional red, to meet current wing paint reflectivity requirements. It will return to Heathrow and enter service next month flying across the UK and Europe, with the design remaining on the aircraft until it retires next year.

https://www.facebook.com/Aeronews.ro/po ... 0073388415
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:14 am

"Wing paint reflectivity requirements" Who comes up with this crap?

Are they allowed to have red lower wings though?
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:58 am

Link to the full BA press release with rendering of the A319 livery;
http://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/86/2019-319/10770

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Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:25 am

Current wing paint reflectivity requirements?
Tell me more.....
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:36 pm

Now when will the two remaining 747's be repainted? Is it true these two 747 will be phased out in November of this year already? Only the BOAC 747 will remain for the coming 4-5 years?

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Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:13 pm

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Now when will the two remaining 747's be repainted? Is it true these two 747 will be phased out in November of this year already? Only the BOAC 747 will remain for the coming 4-5 years?

A388


It's been stated several times that the retirement schedule has changed and that the chosen aircraft will be staying longer.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:41 pm

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Link to the full BA press release with rendering of the A319 livery;
http://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/86/2019-319/10770

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Oh, I'm so happy they are going with that scheme. I remember it well. In fact, the first airliner I ever flew on was painted in that scheme. Ah, Viscount...
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:43 pm

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While it looks awesome . I still don’t think ba is 100 years old. But as a marketing exercise I think it’s achieved it’s aim


I agree. I think it's stretching it very far claiming it's 100 years old.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:59 pm

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"Wing paint reflectivity requirements" Who comes up with this crap?

Are they allowed to have red lower wings though?

IIRC BEA came up with red wings as a reaction to a mid-air collision, i.e. to make their aircraft more visible.

As I cannot believe that current wing paint schemes are anywhere near as bold as their red, have we entered an Alice-in-Wonderland world where less visible is somehow safer?

I could see an argument for not wishing to dazzle the poor pilots, except how many pilots of todays Airbus and Boeings can actually see their own wings?

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Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:11 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
"Wing paint reflectivity requirements" Who comes up with this crap?

Are they allowed to have red lower wings though?


Yes, I read an article where they said the wings would be red underneath.

So any photo of the aircraft turning away from the camera will look totally legit.
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:24 pm

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Fantastic!, Now that, the Red Square (BEA), the BOAC 747, and Negus or Landor would give a far better representation of the Centenary


Only if you wanted to ignore the first half of "BA"'s history. You know, the little airlines and Imperial? How about an A321 in Spartan Airways livery with silver fuselage and black nose and engines?

But I suppose they're only useful when claiming to be a Centenarian and otherwise can be ignored.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:37 pm

Whatever BA does they will never please some people. As a company they can trace their origins back 100 years and that is what they are celebrating.

With regards the retro liveries they are honouring the two largest carriers that came together to form the modern company (BEA and BOAC); the first livery of the nationalised airline (Negus & Negus); and the livery that took BA into the privatised era (Landor). All important milestones.

What I think is a shame is that BCal and Dan-Air are not being honoured. BCal allowed BA to go truly global (from the previous spheres of influence policy) and gave it a decent presence at LGW; the Dan-Air takeover was the start of building LGW as a significant base of operations. Two A320s in the last pre-takeover colours would be a nod to former BR and DA staff who helped build BA at LGW. Plus it would acknowledge BR as one of the A320 launch customers (BR colours were only worn on test flights). As much as I would to see a BR 747-436 none are LGW based.

I'd also like an A320 in 1980s British Midland colours. The purchase of BMI helped BA's consolidation at LHR but in the 1980s and 1990s they were the plucky upstarts who forced BA to up their game on short haul, with BA introducing SuperShuttle in response to BD's Diamond Service. It would be a nod to those former BD staff now with BA whilst acknowledging BD's glory days rather than the final bmi days.
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:24 pm

Taxiied out of ORD a few ahead of BOAC two nights ago. It looked great in person.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:40 pm

Would be nice to see the old BD, Caledonian and Dan Air liveries honoured. Take me back to my young childhood in the late late 80's and early 90's when I fell in love with aviation! The BD DC-9's at EMA for instance!
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:04 pm

I saw her in IAD yesterday. Me and some other guy were taking pictures of her then the whole BA inflight crew for the outbound came to take pictures.
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:05 pm

JBo wrote:
From what I understand, it's really hard to polish bare metal that's been stripped of paint so that it looks good (remember that Air Canada 767?), so it doesn't surprise me at all that they simply painted the underbody grey.

Sure, they could have used a metallic paint, but applying metallic paint is a much more involved process, which would mean that much more work to apply matching paint when they inevitably have to replace the engine cowls.

Flat grey is a far more practical solution. Could have been a cooler shade, but the warm grey honestly doesn't look that bad to me.


I wonder if they couldn't have just bought a few buckets of the metallic paint AA uses. Does that require any special process? I have a hard time believe AA would be willing to pay for anything special across its entire fleet.
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:15 pm

Thanks to member tcx69 here are the other two 747 repaint plans:

G-BNLY Negus & Negus 26 Feb-9 Mar DUB
G-CIVB Landor 9-20 Mar DUB
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:11 pm

I really wish they’d do an A380 in Landor. Preferably G-XLEA. Still. Looking forward to the rest to come. Great job BA.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:24 pm

ELBOB wrote:
clipperlondon wrote:

Fantastic!, Now that, the Red Square (BEA), the BOAC 747, and Negus or Landor would give a far better representation of the Centenary


Only if you wanted to ignore the first half of "BA"'s history. You know, the little airlines and Imperial? How about an A321 in Spartan Airways livery with silver fuselage and black nose and engines?

But I suppose they're only useful when claiming to be a Centenarian and otherwise can be ignored.


Yes I understand that, but if you go back to 1919 and do a retro of every single livery from then til now, there'd be an awul lot of liveries! A bit like Brexit - everyone has their own preference and you end up with a total mess. :roll:
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:53 pm

Given the great publicity, and how tired and a little bit shabby the rest of the BA744 fleet look, it's probably worth painting the last 12 to leave service in BOAC colours. Would look great in a row at T5.
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:23 pm

The Points Guy is reporting that an A350 will receive a heritage livery. However, I thought we’ve confirmed here that it will be 3 747s and the A319.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/british-a ... rways/amp/

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