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Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:52 pm
by Dominion301
https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/c ... 43402.html

Chorus will use approximately 60% of the investment proceeds to purchase nine additional new larger-gauge CRJ900 (76-seat) aircraft to modernize Jazz's fleet and generate additional lease revenue under the CPA.


Good news for Bombardier too.

Would not be surprised if an additional Q400 top-up order is eventually placed too.

As well:

Five CRJ900s sourced by Air Canada will initiate the fleet changes with deliveries expected to begin in the first half of 2019.


Hope those will be used to increase frequencies on some routes.

Air Canada will consolidate more of its overall regional capacity into Jazz's footprint, thereby further securing Jazz's place in Air Canada's regional network.


Wonder what that means long-term for Sky Regional and Air Georgian? Status quo?

The minimum Covered Fleet of 105 aircraft to 2025 and a minimum of 80 75-seat aircraft between 2026 and 2035 will provide a predictable minimum contracted revenue stream for 17 years.


I wonder if that means 25 DH3s will remain with no more CRJs eventually or if a combination of the two will be maintained? Could also mean Jazz' AC fleet will be above 105.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:56 pm
by curnewg
Also heard that Jazz will re-aquire all of the CRJ-200s that are in the Air Canada Express fleet, including Air Georgian. 16 aircraft.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:02 pm
by jwjsamster
Oh great news for my fellow Canadians, more CRJs!
With the much more comfortable and fuel efficient E-275 available, we still insist on buying these turds.
Hopefully they will at least improve their regional product in these "new" planes...

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:06 pm
by willenglish
The 300s will almost certainly remain long term. I can see the being mainly focused out of YUL and YVR, for such routes a CRJ/Q400 isn’t really feasible. (YGR, YGP, ZBF, YYY, YBC, YCG, YYF, YZP, YPR).

As per Sky Regional; I really don’t think this move will effect them a whole bunch as they serve a bit of different market. If some of the newer 900s get Based in YYZ then it could effect them as that is more of the market they currently serve.

Looking forward to seeing the new ALPA contract. That said, am also curious about what will happen with the Georgian pilots. With this not being a merger, and both ZX and QK being unionized under ALPA, I would say there will be a transition to Jazz available, but with loss of seniority. This would almost certainly mean displacement from their YYZ base as there are many more senior Jazz pilots that would bid YYZ CRJ CAPT ahead of Georgian ones coming in (if that were even to happen). Just speaking theoretically.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:06 pm
by ExMilitaryEng
jwjsamster wrote:
Oh great news for my fellow Canadians, more CRJs!
With the much more comfortable and fuel efficient E-275 available, we still insist on buying these turds.
Thanks for your "valuable" comment!
By the way (@76 seats) the CRJ900 is more fuel efficient (and has lower CASM) than what you call an E-275 (ok, let's say E175)...

Maybe Jazz (and Air Canada) knows WAY MORE about the economy, reliability and passenger's acceptance of those two models than you and me... And Jazz still keep buying CRJ900s despite buying more expensive than E175s. (FWIW, Sky Regional/Air Canada did NOT buy any additional E175s; they might know something about operating E175s in Canada...)

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:11 pm
by whywhyzee
Basicially, Jazz takes over GGN jet flying, looks like GGN with lose their contract once the B1900s are gone from YYC. 14 new RJ900s total and 5 RJ200s from GGN. New CPA guarantees 105 frames at minimum for the duration of the old contract length, and then 80 minimum (all 70+ seats) thereafter.

Dash 100s should all retire in short order and the -300 fleet is slated to reduce to 19. From what I am seeing, it'll likely happen quite quickly.

They are making significant steps towards a much larger guage fleet and significantly more jet flying, it seems YYZ will get it's RJ base back as GGN is gradually pushed out.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:45 pm
by jwjsamster
ExMilitaryEng wrote:
jwjsamster wrote:
Oh great news for my fellow Canadians, more CRJs!
With the much more comfortable and fuel efficient E-275 available, we still insist on buying these turds.
Thanks for your "valuable" comment!
By the way (@76 seats) the CRJ900 is more fuel efficient (and has lower CASM) than what you call an E-275 (ok, let's say E175)...

Maybe Jazz (and Air Canada) knows WAY MORE about the economy, reliability and passenger's acceptance of those two models than you and me... And Jazz still keep buying CRJ900s despite buying more expensive than E175s. (FWIW, Sky Regional/Air Canada did NOT buy any additional E175s; they might know something about operating E175s in Canada...)


Sorry I may have been a bit harsh, I just find the CRJs to be the most uncomfortable aircraft in the fleet right now and it baffles me that they are buying more of them, when I as a passenger will pay to be on a different airline so as to not sit in one even if it means giving up non-stop.

I understand that you might disagree with my opinion but it is a forum for discussion and sharing opinions so please do not be so harsh.

Out of curiosity, where are you getting the numbers on the CRJ900 vs E175-E2 (what I meant by E275), thank you

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:56 pm
by longhauler
Much like Air Canada's sale of Aeroplan, only to be repurchased later, this is an interesting developement.

With an equity investment in Chorus/Jazz, Air Canada again reaps some of the benefits of its association.

jwjsamster wrote:
I as a passenger will pay to be on a different airline so as to not sit in one even if it means giving up non-stop.

You are certainly in the minority. The 50 seat RJ has never had the same level of cabin comfort as a larger aircraft, but it's entire existence comes from those who will pay to "overfly" a hub or as is more common now, fly a route that doesn't even exist on a mainline airline.

The E170/190 series offers a comparable level of comfort to larger aircraft, so techinally (at least in Canada) it is used to compete with larger mainline aircraft of other airlines, unlike the 50 seat RJ.

I find the Jazz CRJ-900 to be a very comfortable aircraft. 2x2 seating, lots of leg room and AVOD at every seat. I would (and have) choose (chosen) it over a 737 or A320.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:03 pm
by ExMilitaryEng
jwjsamster wrote:
Out of curiosity, where are you getting the numbers on the CRJ900 vs E175-E2 (what I meant by E275), thank you
I was referring to the E175 E1, which is the only other 76 seater available within current scope clauses. (The E2s being too heavy)

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:23 pm
by whywhyzee
What isn't explained (obviously) is the actual fleet Zoe plan moving forward. The new guarantees are for no more dash 100s, 15 -300s, 35 RJ900s, 15 RJ200s and 36 Q400s.

If they were to move to that, and cut off GGN, it'll be -25 frames net, which I don't suspect so be the case given that that would come with a huge route cutting. I imagine the dash classics will be replaced with Q400s (with that fleet maintaining the same rough size) and RJs replacing displaced Q's. There will obviously be some reduction in frequency as a Q does double what a -100 carries for example, and an RJ900 does almost double what an RJ100 carries. So if we look at the guarantees, and assume GGN is eliminated, that is 36 frames to replace, take away 5 from that as they just transfer from GGN to Jazz, so 31 total. 15 new RJs covers that just about perfectly, working on the assumption that they don't want to lose much flying, nor grow the express flying program.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:27 pm
by Dominion301
willenglish wrote:
The 300s will almost certainly remain long term. I can see the being mainly focused out of YUL and YVR, for such routes a CRJ/Q400 isn’t really feasible. (YGR, YGP, ZBF, YYY, YBC, YCG, YYF, YZP, YPR).

As per Sky Regional; I really don’t think this move will effect them a whole bunch as they serve a bit of different market. If some of the newer 900s get Based in YYZ then it could effect them as that is more of the market they currently serve.

Looking forward to seeing the new ALPA contract. That said, am also curious about what will happen with the Georgian pilots. With this not being a merger, and both ZX and QK being unionized under ALPA, I would say there will be a transition to Jazz available, but with loss of seniority. This would almost certainly mean displacement from their YYZ base as there are many more senior Jazz pilots that would bid YYZ CRJ CAPT ahead of Georgian ones coming in (if that were even to happen). Just speaking theoretically.


I agree as the DH3 life extension program is supposed to give a good +20 more years of life to them, based upon current utilization rates.

DH3s have not been at YYZ in a long time. In recent times YOW and YQT have been the only places in Ontario where they've shown up.

However going off topic for a moment, I do see that this summer a DH3 is showing up on YXU-YOW. What's interesting is the aircraft is routed YXU-YOW-YFC-YOW (sits for over 6 hrs)-YXU. Given the ridiculously long turn at YOW, it makes me wonder whether YOW will get a new Dash route, to a place like YQG, especially given how YUL gained a CRJ to YQG? Given the summer schedule is still only partially uploaded, it could also mean that there's currently a missing YOW-YUL DH3 flight.

A CRJ is also showing up on the second daily YXU-YOW. That'll be the first jet service on this route in over 30 years.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:35 pm
by CFM565A1
As someone who flies the DH3, I’m anticipating a new plane for me to train on in the next year whether it be Q400 or CRJ. I am also hazarding a guess to the new planes in the 2020s to be an Embraer product of some kind as it is up to AC on what they’ll be and they seem the most logical.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:52 pm
by airnorth
longhauler wrote:
Much like Air Canada's sale of Aeroplan, only to be repurchased later, this is an interesting developement.


I find the Jazz CRJ-900 to be a very comfortable aircraft. 2x2 seating, lots of leg room and AVOD at every seat. I would (and have) choose (chosen) it over a 737 or A320.

I agree, I do like the 2x2 seating and AVOD, the only issue for some is the small overhead bins.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:52 pm
by Dominion301
whywhyzee wrote:
What isn't explained (obviously) is the actual fleet Zoe plan moving forward. The new guarantees are for no more dash 100s, 15 -300s, 35 RJ900s, 15 RJ200s and 36 Q400s.

If they were to move to that, and cut off GGN, it'll be -25 frames net, which I don't suspect so be the case given that that would come with a huge route cutting. I imagine the dash classics will be replaced with Q400s (with that fleet maintaining the same rough size) and RJs replacing displaced Q's. There will obviously be some reduction in frequency as a Q does double what a -100 carries for example, and an RJ900 does almost double what an RJ100 carries. So if we look at the guarantees, and assume GGN is eliminated, that is 36 frames to replace, take away 5 from that as they just transfer from GGN to Jazz, so 31 total. 15 new RJs covers that just about perfectly, working on the assumption that they don't want to lose much flying, nor grow the express flying program.


It doesn't sound like all the CRJ flying is coming back to Jazz, is it? Wouldn't it make sense for AC to keep multiple vendors for regional flying?

I can't see AC cutting the regional fleet, especially on all those CRJ transborder routes, where AC is the only transborder route in town, like at MCI or MKE.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:13 pm
by CFM565A1
Dominion301 wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
What isn't explained (obviously) is the actual fleet Zoe plan moving forward. The new guarantees are for no more dash 100s, 15 -300s, 35 RJ900s, 15 RJ200s and 36 Q400s.

If they were to move to that, and cut off GGN, it'll be -25 frames net, which I don't suspect so be the case given that that would come with a huge route cutting. I imagine the dash classics will be replaced with Q400s (with that fleet maintaining the same rough size) and RJs replacing displaced Q's. There will obviously be some reduction in frequency as a Q does double what a -100 carries for example, and an RJ900 does almost double what an RJ100 carries. So if we look at the guarantees, and assume GGN is eliminated, that is 36 frames to replace, take away 5 from that as they just transfer from GGN to Jazz, so 31 total. 15 new RJs covers that just about perfectly, working on the assumption that they don't want to lose much flying, nor grow the express flying program.


It doesn't sound like all the CRJ flying is coming back to Jazz, is it? Wouldn't it make sense for AC to keep multiple vendors for regional flying?

I can't see AC cutting the regional fleet, especially on all those CRJ transborder routes, where AC is the only transborder route in town, like at MCI or MKE.


All 16 CRJs are returning to Jazz by the end of this year from GGN.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:22 pm
by Dominion301
CFM565A1 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
What isn't explained (obviously) is the actual fleet Zoe plan moving forward. The new guarantees are for no more dash 100s, 15 -300s, 35 RJ900s, 15 RJ200s and 36 Q400s.

If they were to move to that, and cut off GGN, it'll be -25 frames net, which I don't suspect so be the case given that that would come with a huge route cutting. I imagine the dash classics will be replaced with Q400s (with that fleet maintaining the same rough size) and RJs replacing displaced Q's. There will obviously be some reduction in frequency as a Q does double what a -100 carries for example, and an RJ900 does almost double what an RJ100 carries. So if we look at the guarantees, and assume GGN is eliminated, that is 36 frames to replace, take away 5 from that as they just transfer from GGN to Jazz, so 31 total. 15 new RJs covers that just about perfectly, working on the assumption that they don't want to lose much flying, nor grow the express flying program.


It doesn't sound like all the CRJ flying is coming back to Jazz, is it? Wouldn't it make sense for AC to keep multiple vendors for regional flying?

I can't see AC cutting the regional fleet, especially on all those CRJ transborder routes, where AC is the only transborder route in town, like at MCI or MKE.


All CRJs are returning to Jazz by the end of this year from GGN except for the possibility for retirements of the -100s if there are any left.


So that'll leave just the BEHs again at Georgian? I bet the FAs at Air Georgian who just ratified their first collective agreement aren't too thrilled. Hopefully they'll be offered transfers to Jazz.

http://www.airgeorgian.ca/tag/agreement/

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:28 pm
by curnewg
GGN has a mix of both CRJ-100 and CRJ-200... they'll keep the 100s that they own or lease, while the 200s will be returning to Jazz.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:37 pm
by CFM565A1
Dominion301 wrote:
CFM565A1 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

It doesn't sound like all the CRJ flying is coming back to Jazz, is it? Wouldn't it make sense for AC to keep multiple vendors for regional flying?

I can't see AC cutting the regional fleet, especially on all those CRJ transborder routes, where AC is the only transborder route in town, like at MCI or MKE.


All CRJs are returning to Jazz by the end of this year from GGN except for the possibility for retirements of the -100s if there are any left.


So that'll leave just the BEHs again at Georgian? I bet the FAs at Air Georgian who just ratified their first collective agreement aren't too thrilled. Hopefully they'll be offered transfers to Jazz.

http://www.airgeorgian.ca/tag/agreement/


I’m not sure what their intentions at GGN are at this point. All I know is that it seems their CPA wit AC is finished.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:42 pm
by Cubsrule
Dominion301 wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
What isn't explained (obviously) is the actual fleet Zoe plan moving forward. The new guarantees are for no more dash 100s, 15 -300s, 35 RJ900s, 15 RJ200s and 36 Q400s.

If they were to move to that, and cut off GGN, it'll be -25 frames net, which I don't suspect so be the case given that that would come with a huge route cutting. I imagine the dash classics will be replaced with Q400s (with that fleet maintaining the same rough size) and RJs replacing displaced Q's. There will obviously be some reduction in frequency as a Q does double what a -100 carries for example, and an RJ900 does almost double what an RJ100 carries. So if we look at the guarantees, and assume GGN is eliminated, that is 36 frames to replace, take away 5 from that as they just transfer from GGN to Jazz, so 31 total. 15 new RJs covers that just about perfectly, working on the assumption that they don't want to lose much flying, nor grow the express flying program.


It doesn't sound like all the CRJ flying is coming back to Jazz, is it? Wouldn't it make sense for AC to keep multiple vendors for regional flying?

I can't see AC cutting the regional fleet, especially on all those CRJ transborder routes, where AC is the only transborder route in town, like at MCI or MKE.


Where AC is the only transborder game in town, frequency isn't so important. So I expect we'll see places like CMH and MKE lose some frequency but gain CR9s. I was surprised to see that MCI has a mainline flight, but that's very much the exception in the GGN CRJ cities; I think every other city is CRJ only.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:21 am
by multimark
Now if only they could get rid of Skyregional.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:06 am
by whywhyzee
There has been an amendment to the numbers, 12 ex GGN RJs to Jazz, 4 or 5 RJ900s to Jazz this year, sourced by AC, 9 new builds in 2020. All Dash 100s likely to retire, no Q400s and up to 3 dash 300s retired.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:12 am
by Dominion301
Cubsrule wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
What isn't explained (obviously) is the actual fleet Zoe plan moving forward. The new guarantees are for no more dash 100s, 15 -300s, 35 RJ900s, 15 RJ200s and 36 Q400s.

If they were to move to that, and cut off GGN, it'll be -25 frames net, which I don't suspect so be the case given that that would come with a huge route cutting. I imagine the dash classics will be replaced with Q400s (with that fleet maintaining the same rough size) and RJs replacing displaced Q's. There will obviously be some reduction in frequency as a Q does double what a -100 carries for example, and an RJ900 does almost double what an RJ100 carries. So if we look at the guarantees, and assume GGN is eliminated, that is 36 frames to replace, take away 5 from that as they just transfer from GGN to Jazz, so 31 total. 15 new RJs covers that just about perfectly, working on the assumption that they don't want to lose much flying, nor grow the express flying program.


It doesn't sound like all the CRJ flying is coming back to Jazz, is it? Wouldn't it make sense for AC to keep multiple vendors for regional flying?

I can't see AC cutting the regional fleet, especially on all those CRJ transborder routes, where AC is the only transborder route in town, like at MCI or MKE.


Where AC is the only transborder game in town, frequency isn't so important. So I expect we'll see places like CMH and MKE lose some frequency but gain CR9s. I was surprised to see that MCI has a mainline flight, but that's very much the exception in the GGN CRJ cities; I think every other city is CRJ only.


I’ve never ever heard of MCI and MKE being anything but CRJs.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:53 am
by Cubsrule
Dominion301 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

It doesn't sound like all the CRJ flying is coming back to Jazz, is it? Wouldn't it make sense for AC to keep multiple vendors for regional flying?

I can't see AC cutting the regional fleet, especially on all those CRJ transborder routes, where AC is the only transborder route in town, like at MCI or MKE.


Where AC is the only transborder game in town, frequency isn't so important. So I expect we'll see places like CMH and MKE lose some frequency but gain CR9s. I was surprised to see that MCI has a mainline flight, but that's very much the exception in the GGN CRJ cities; I think every other city is CRJ only.


I’ve never ever heard of MCI and MKE being anything but CRJs.


It’s only MCI. Flight numbers are 2334 and 2335. It shows up on AC’s website but the gate assignments make me think it may not be a normal scheduled flight (but then what is it?).

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:03 am
by CFM565A1
Cubsrule wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

Where AC is the only transborder game in town, frequency isn't so important. So I expect we'll see places like CMH and MKE lose some frequency but gain CR9s. I was surprised to see that MCI has a mainline flight, but that's very much the exception in the GGN CRJ cities; I think every other city is CRJ only.


I’ve never ever heard of MCI and MKE being anything but CRJs.


It’s only MCI. Flight numbers are 2334 and 2335. It shows up on AC’s website but the gate assignments make me think it may not be a normal scheduled flight (but then what is it?).


Heavy maintenance for the Airbus fleets. 2300 flights are ferries.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:04 am
by CFM565A1
Another possibility is that the DH3s stay, Ex-Sky R Qs and Ex-colgan Qs go and the new RJs and ex Georgian ones pick up the balance.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:05 am
by Dominion301
Cubsrule wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

Where AC is the only transborder game in town, frequency isn't so important. So I expect we'll see places like CMH and MKE lose some frequency but gain CR9s. I was surprised to see that MCI has a mainline flight, but that's very much the exception in the GGN CRJ cities; I think every other city is CRJ only.


I’ve never ever heard of MCI and MKE being anything but CRJs.


It’s only MCI. Flight numbers are 2334 and 2335. It shows up on AC’s website but the gate assignments make me think it may not be a normal scheduled flight (but then what is it?).


AC 2000 series flight numbers are extra sections, usually to recover from IRROPS. The US Midwest had a lot of snow the past few days.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:03 am
by CFM565A1
Dominion301 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

I’ve never ever heard of MCI and MKE being anything but CRJs.


It’s only MCI. Flight numbers are 2334 and 2335. It shows up on AC’s website but the gate assignments make me think it may not be a normal scheduled flight (but then what is it?).


AC 2000 series flight numbers are extra sections, usually to recover from IRROPS. The US Midwest had a lot of snow the past few days.


Also ferries now, all the repaint flights and WIFI upgrades to VCV are usually AC23XX and no longer 70XX,

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:06 pm
by Cubsrule
CFM565A1 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

I’ve never ever heard of MCI and MKE being anything but CRJs.


It’s only MCI. Flight numbers are 2334 and 2335. It shows up on AC’s website but the gate assignments make me think it may not be a normal scheduled flight (but then what is it?).


Heavy maintenance for the Airbus fleets. 2300 flights are ferries.


That makes much more sense; thanks. The frequency of the flights coupled with the serial use of the same flight numbers caught me.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:04 pm
by longhauler
multimark wrote:
Now if only they could get rid of Skyregional.

What's wrong with Skyregional?

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:17 pm
by boeing767300
I too would like to hear what is wrong with Sky Regional!!!

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:48 pm
by airman99o
Yes Why Get rid of Skyregional? I am an employee of this airline. Id hate to see myself and the many others out of a job?

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:20 pm
by CRJ900
Will the new CRJ900s come with the Atmosphere interior?

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:23 pm
by amcnd
CRJ900 wrote:
Will the new CRJ900s come with the Atmosphere interior?


Hopefully they fix the overhead bin design first.. they keep breaking...

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:51 am
by multimark
longhauler wrote:
multimark wrote:
Now if only they could get rid of Skyregional.

What's wrong with Skyregional?


Generally I've been less impressed with them than Jazz. Outside of that if I worked for Skyregional I'd be worried that AC now has an outright financial stake in Chorus.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:15 pm
by airman99o
Am sorry to hear that you haven't been impressed with Skyregional. I think youd be mistaken if you think that Air Canada doesn't have a pretty large stake in Skyregional. The rumours Floating around the past while is they ( Air Canada ) want all the Regional flying under one roof shall we say. Also with a new Hangar being built, and new offices out of Midfield. I think 2019 will be an interesting year at Express. Ah the aviation industry in Canada. Best Soap opera out there. Beats Days of our Lives any day. :-P

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:34 pm
by Airontario
airman99o wrote:
The rumours Floating around the past while is they ( Air Canada ) want all the Regional flying under one roof shall we say.


So they want to go back to what they had 5-6 years ago?

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:46 pm
by airman99o
Who really knows. As I said, Rumours.... It has been spoken of between people. But we all know airline crew are some of the best gossipers out there. Ill believe it all when I see an announcement and the like. I won't deny I was taken aback when I saw this press release regarding air canada and chorus.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:54 pm
by longhauler
multimark wrote:
longhauler wrote:
multimark wrote:
Now if only they could get rid of Skyregional.

What's wrong with Skyregional?


Generally I've been less impressed with them than Jazz. Outside of that if I worked for Skyregional I'd be worried that AC now has an outright financial stake in Chorus.

I would be very surprised if Air Canada did anything with Skyregional. With 25 E175s, they are covering quite a bit of flying.

On the other hand, it is always a nice ace in the pocket to be able to whipsaw two companies against each other, even with a minor equity investment in one of them. Maybe the next announcement with be an equity investment in Skyregional! ;)

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:52 pm
by yyz717
Chorus stock (CHR) enjoyed a nice bump up on this announcement, of close to 20%. The v healthy ~7% dividend is likely as firm as it can be. Happy camper here.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:22 am
by longhauler
Dominion301 wrote:
So that'll leave just the BEHs again at Georgian? I bet the FAs at Air Georgian who just ratified their first collective agreement aren't too thrilled. Hopefully they'll be offered transfers to Jazz.

As a part of this agreement, the following Air Georgian employees were offered ....

Pilots can transition to Jazz, or those that qualify can go to Air Canada.
Flight Attendants can go to Air Canada or Air Canada Rouge.
AMEs can transition to Air Canada.
SOC employees can go to either Air Canada or Air Canada Express.

From the sound of it, it doesn't look like there will be too much of Air Georgian left when the dust settles.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:45 am
by Dominion301
longhauler wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
So that'll leave just the BEHs again at Georgian? I bet the FAs at Air Georgian who just ratified their first collective agreement aren't too thrilled. Hopefully they'll be offered transfers to Jazz.

As a part of this agreement, the following Air Georgian employees were offered ....

Pilots can transition to Jazz, or those that qualify can go to Air Canada.
Flight Attendants can go to Air Canada or Air Canada Rouge.
AMEs can transition to Air Canada.
SOC employees can go to either Air Canada or Air Canada Express.

From the sound of it, it doesn't look like there will be too much of Air Georgian left when the dust settles.


Would you happen to know longhauler whether the unbranded B1900 aircraft flying remain? I’m guessing this doesn’t impact EVAS out east?

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:35 am
by dr1980
Seems like a pretty good upgrade for most staff at least.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:26 pm
by multimark
longhauler wrote:
multimark wrote:
longhauler wrote:
What's wrong with Skyregional?


Generally I've been less impressed with them than Jazz. Outside of that if I worked for Skyregional I'd be worried that AC now has an outright financial stake in Chorus.

I would be very surprised if Air Canada did anything with Skyregional. With 25 E175s, they are covering quite a bit of flying.

On the other hand, it is always a nice ace in the pocket to be able to whipsaw two companies against each other, even with a minor equity investment in one of them. Maybe the next announcement with be an equity investment in Skyregional! ;)


Late to reply, but isn't Skyregional a private company?

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:45 pm
by longhauler
multimark wrote:
Late to reply, but isn't Skyregional a private company?

As far as I can tell, yes. It is wholly owned by Skyservice Business Aviation, which was left after Skyservice shut down.

But, that doesn't mean it can not be (partially) purchased. ;)

Dominion301 wrote:
Would you happen to know longhauler whether the unbranded B1900 aircraft flying remain? I’m guessing this doesn’t impact EVAS out east?


You are correct, the B1900s out east continue to fly under an AC flight number. I honestly do not know what is going to happen to the Ontario based B1900s. It appears a lot of the flying/destinations have been cancelled.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:44 pm
by Dominion301
longhauler wrote:
multimark wrote:
Late to reply, but isn't Skyregional a private company?

As far as I can tell, yes. It is wholly owned by Skyservice Business Aviation, which was left after Skyservice shut down.

But, that doesn't mean it can not be (partially) purchased. ;)

Dominion301 wrote:
Would you happen to know longhauler whether the unbranded B1900 aircraft flying remain? I’m guessing this doesn’t impact EVAS out east?


You are correct, the B1900s out east continue to fly under an AC flight number. I honestly do not know what is going to happen to the Ontario based B1900s. It appears a lot of the flying/destinations have been cancelled.


That’s true and YZR is now all DH1s again. There’s also the 3? 1900s at YYC.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:42 am
by CFM565A1
The DH1s will be temporary replacements for the 1900s on uncancelled routes until ratification of the MOS with Jazz pilots (if it passes). They will then be rapidly retired... I believe AC will make Sky Regional and Jazz will spread out the different routes they fly... some more heavy ones will use the 220s as we see the 190s doing. The 175s will slot in below then the CRJs below that. We could see YYZ based CRJs flying routes for Jazz that hadn’t been flown for a few yrs!

That is if the pilot contract is ratified.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:51 pm
by multimark
longhauler wrote:
multimark wrote:
Late to reply, but isn't Skyregional a private company?

As far as I can tell, yes. It is wholly owned by Skyservice Business Aviation, which was left after Skyservice shut down.

But, that doesn't mean it can not be (partially) purchased. ;)
.


I was confused when somebody mentioned upthread that AC had a large investment in Skyregional. As far as I can see, they just lease them the E175s, which isn't really an "investment". If Sky is building a new hangar as someone claimed, it must be on their own dime, I can't see how financially a public company like AC can "invest" in that.

As to the Dash 8-300 questions, I wonder if Viking could be persuaded to revive that type? It seems like it fills a specific niche.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:18 pm
by CFM565A1
multimark wrote:
longhauler wrote:
multimark wrote:
Late to reply, but isn't Skyregional a private company?

As far as I can tell, yes. It is wholly owned by Skyservice Business Aviation, which was left after Skyservice shut down.

But, that doesn't mean it can not be (partially) purchased. ;)
.


I was confused when somebody mentioned upthread that AC had a large investment in Skyregional. As far as I can see, they just lease them the E175s, which isn't really an "investment". If Sky is building a new hangar as someone claimed, it must be on their own dime, I can't see how financially a public company like AC can "invest" in that.

As to the Dash 8-300 questions, I wonder if Viking could be persuaded to revive that type? It seems like it fills a specific niche.


As a DH3 pilot, I’d love to see it but my head tells me they won’t bring it back :(

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:53 pm
by longhauler
multimark wrote:
I was confused when somebody mentioned upthread that AC had a large investment in Skyregional.


This is actually what I said ...

longhauler wrote:
As far as I can tell, yes. It is wholly owned by Skyservice Business Aviation, which was left after Skyservice shut down.
But, that doesn't mean it can not be (partially) purchased.


longhauler wrote:
Maybe the next announcement with be an equity investment in Skyregional!


Skyregional is wholly owned by Skyservice Business Aviation. The point I was making though, is that if Air Canada saw value in purchasing a part of Chorus/Jazz, then it would not be a surprise if they did the same thing with Skyregional.

There might be some "economies of scale" by merging the 25 E175s into Jazz ... or ... there might be an advantage of keeping them separate, (purchasing an equity investment in each), then whipsaw them against each other for the best rates.

Re: Air Canada and Jazz (Chorus) Extend Agreement to 2035

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:00 pm
by longhauler
airman99o wrote:
Am sorry to hear that you haven't been impressed with Skyregional. I think youd be mistaken if you think that Air Canada doesn't have a pretty large stake in Skyregional. The rumours Floating around the past while is they ( Air Canada ) want all the Regional flying under one roof shall we say. Also with a new Hangar being built, and new offices out of Midfield. I think 2019 will be an interesting year at Express. Ah the aviation industry in Canada. Best Soap opera out there. Beats Days of our Lives any day. :-P


I read "stake" in this to mean more of a "risk" than an investment. Air Canada did give Skyregional a lot of assistance during the introduction of the E175s.

As noted, the rest is just hangar talk. Always existant in aviation. ;)