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UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:11 pm
by Cointrin330
Any guesses as to where these extra 777s will be deployed? More EWR to Asia (PEK, PVG) or ORD to PEK, PVG and NRT?

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:17 pm
by STT757
Cointrin330 wrote:
Any guesses as to where these extra 777s will be deployed? More EWR to Asia (PEK, PVG) or ORD to PEK, PVG and NRT?


I don't think PVG or PEK, perhaps ORD would finally get in on the 77W. ORD-HKG, ORD-NRT, ORD-FRA?

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:20 pm
by drdisque
Definitely not ORD-NRT.

I can see one going on SFO-ICN, freeing up that 789. Maybe the second SFO-FRA frequency, also freeing up a 789. Maybe SFO-SYD also freeing up, you guessed it, a 789.

Maybe EWR-PVG.

I don't see them putting them at ORD.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:23 pm
by ikolkyo
Didn’t 744s fly out of ORD in their heyday? I could see it

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:26 pm
by OA412
Yes there is already a UA fleet thread, but not everyone reads that. This news is interesting enough that its own thread is warranted.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:30 pm
by AVENSAB727
More EWR maybe IAH- NRT/AMS

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:34 pm
by karan14695
Maybe EWR-DEL also

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:37 pm
by AirAfreak
drdisque wrote:
Definitely not ORD-NRT.

I can see one going on SFO-ICN, freeing up that 789. Maybe the second SFO-FRA frequency, also freeing up a 789. Maybe SFO-SYD also freeing up, you guessed it, a 789.

Maybe EWR-PVG.

I don't see them putting them at ORD.


Is the demand very high for the UA SFO-ICN flight to command a 777-300?

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:04 pm
by lightsaber
I'd love to know the terms. I'm certain UA received a good offer. Boeing still needs to sell a few more GE90 powered 777 for the easiest line transition.

Lightsaber

Late edit with link:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 73-455042/

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:04 pm
by as739x
AirAfreak wrote:
drdisque wrote:
Definitely not ORD-NRT.

I can see one going on SFO-ICN, freeing up that 789. Maybe the second SFO-FRA frequency, also freeing up a 789. Maybe SFO-SYD also freeing up, you guessed it, a 789.

Maybe EWR-PVG.

I don't see them putting them at ORD.


Is the demand very high for the UA SFO-ICN flight to command a 777-300?


It use to be a 747, so yes!!

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:05 pm
by SFOtoORD
I’d guess the 2nd SFO-LHR flight so they both are guaranteed Polaris.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:06 pm
by Polot
AirAfreak wrote:
drdisque wrote:
Definitely not ORD-NRT.

I can see one going on SFO-ICN, freeing up that 789. Maybe the second SFO-FRA frequency, also freeing up a 789. Maybe SFO-SYD also freeing up, you guessed it, a 789.

Maybe EWR-PVG.

I don't see them putting them at ORD.


Is the demand very high for the UA SFO-ICN flight to command a 777-300?

It’s high enough for UA to offer a 2nd 4x weekly frequency launching this spring.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:14 pm
by fun2fly
With 350 seats and 60 Polaris, it would have to be a route that demands that volume (equivalent to 1.3 flights per day of normal 789 a/c). So, small uptick for certain markets (ex-EWR or SFO> TPAC mentioned), trunk (FRA) or surprises (TLV or new route). It's almost guaranteed to be from EWR/SFO no?

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:19 pm
by LDRA
What is the delivery schedule?

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:51 pm
by theasianguy
AirAfreak wrote:
drdisque wrote:
Definitely not ORD-NRT.

I can see one going on SFO-ICN, freeing up that 789. Maybe the second SFO-FRA frequency, also freeing up a 789. Maybe SFO-SYD also freeing up, you guessed it, a 789.

Maybe EWR-PVG.

I don't see them putting them at ORD.


Is the demand very high for the UA SFO-ICN flight to command a 777-300?


I doubt it will be SFO-ICN. UA just announced a 2nd frequency 4x weekly that complements the current UA 893/892 schedule nicely. SFO-SYD is a likely candidate though.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:56 pm
by lhrsfosyd
What are the current routes?

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:59 pm
by United1
LDRA wrote:
What is the delivery schedule?


2 late this year and 2 in 2020.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:01 pm
by behramjee
lightsaber wrote:
I'd love to know the terms. I'm certain UA received a good offer. Boeing still needs to sell a few more GE90 powered 777 for the easiest line transition.

Lightsaber

Late edit with link:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 73-455042/


The article also states that 24 additional B737MAXs were ordered...any idea which variant ?

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:28 pm
by FlightLevel360
EWR-PEK/PVG

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:47 pm
by lightsaber
I have no idea on the MAX order. As this is a 777 thread, I'm more interested in the deal UA received on the late 77Ws.

United1 wrote:
LDRA wrote:
What is the delivery schedule?


2 late this year and 2 in 2020.

Just in time, for Boeing. ;)

The two this year must have been started as white tails...

Lightsaber

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:52 pm
by FSDan
lhrsfosyd wrote:
What are the current routes?


As of Summer 2019, they will be:
SFO-LHR #1
SFO-FRA
SFO-TLV
SFO-NRT
SFO-TPE
SFO-HKG
EWR-TLV #2
EWR-BOM
EWR-NRT
EWR-HKG

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the new 77Ws serve ORD-HKG and one of the ORD-FRA frequencies. ORD-HKG is one of the longest remaining 772 routes, and those are some of the routes UA has been targeting for the 77W. I could also potentially see one of the SFO-PVG frequencies or EWR-PVG getting upgauged (but only if UA doesn't get awarded their requested 2nd EWR-PVG frequency).

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:53 pm
by maps4ltd
Surprised that PVG didn't get them, especially since we now know that Apple buys 50 placeholder premium seats a day on SFO-PVG.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:54 pm
by iahcsr
behramjee wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I'd love to know the terms. I'm certain UA received a good offer. Boeing still needs to sell a few more GE90 powered 777 for the easiest line transition.

Lightsaber

Late edit with link:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 73-455042/


The article also states that 24 additional B737MAXs were ordered...any idea which variant ?

As with most past 737 orders the subtype(s) will most likely be decided at a later time. Don’t expect any Max8 though.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:07 pm
by ojjunior
Told before and now repeat: GRU
Maybe seasonal or swapping with 772 but this gonna happen. Just a matter of time (or frames)

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:31 pm
by dcajet
ojjunior wrote:
Told before and now repeat: GRU
Maybe seasonal or swapping with 772 but this gonna happen. Just a matter of time (or frames)


There are no current plans to base the 77W @ IAH or ORD which is from where GRU would see a 77W in UA's colors.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:45 pm
by jetskipper
ikolkyo wrote:
Didn’t 744s fly out of ORD in their heyday? I could see it


In the heydays UA flew double daily ORD-NRT 744s. That was during their large NRT hub and prior to the ANA partnership.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:55 pm
by Boof02671
lightsaber wrote:
I have no idea on the MAX order. As this is a 777 thread, I'm more interested in the deal UA received on the late 77Ws.

United1 wrote:
LDRA wrote:
What is the delivery schedule?


2 late this year and 2 in 2020.

Just in time, for Boeing. ;)

The two this year must have been started as white tails...

Lightsaber

Nope.

Takes 83 days to build a 777. I seriously doubt Boeing wants to build any white tails.

Of course depending on the paint job and possible issues, these numbers can change, but this is based on the average build for a 777:

From first part to out of the Boeing factory in Everett: 49 days
Time in the paint booth: 4 additional days
Flights and testing: About 30 additional days
Total from first part to delivery: About 83 days — less than three months.

https://blog.seattlepi.com/airlinerepor ... oeing-777/

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:40 pm
by FSDan
dcajet wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Told before and now repeat: GRU
Maybe seasonal or swapping with 772 but this gonna happen. Just a matter of time (or frames)


There are no current plans to base the 77W @ IAH or ORD which is from where GRU would see a 77W in UA's colors.


Actually, I think EWR-GRU is more likely to someday see a 77W than either of the other two... I'm not sure GRU is a better fit for the 77W than some more Asian destinations, however. Maybe a winter-only upgrade to EWR-GRU while routes like SFO-LHR and SFO-FRA are in slow season.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:52 pm
by Judge1310
OA412 wrote:
Yes there is already a UA fleet thread, but not everyone reads that. This news is interesting enough that its own thread is warranted.


Well the UA Fleet Thread is mixed with the UA Network Thread so that makes following two huge trains of thought/discussion rather difficult. But hey! That's par for the course on this forum regarding the world's second biggest air carrier...

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:40 pm
by jayunited
FSDan wrote:
As of Summer 2019, they will be:
SFO-LHR #1
SFO-FRA
SFO-TLV
SFO-NRT
SFO-TPE
SFO-HKG
EWR-TLV #2
EWR-BOM
EWR-NRT
EWR-HKG

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the new 77Ws serve ORD-HKG and one of the ORD-FRA frequencies. ORD-HKG is one of the longest remaining 772 routes, and those are some of the routes UA has been targeting for the 77W. I could also potentially see one of the SFO-PVG frequencies or EWR-PVG getting upgauged (but only if UA doesn't get awarded their requested 2nd EWR-PVG frequency).


As much as I would like to see the 77W at ORD I don't think its going to happen because we will only have 22 frames and if you throw in a third hub you then don't have enough frames to make sure each hub has a spare available when a frame is down for maintenance. I think EWR-DEL, and like you stated if we are not awarded the second frequency to PVG then EWR-PVG, also at some point when the high "J" 763's start rolling out I can see at least 1x EWR-LHR going 77W or 787-10 at least during the busy season and perhaps after when the busy season to LHR winds down they could move that frame onto the EWR-GRU route. Which by the way EWR-GRU could use the upguage during the busy season. If not EWR there are plenty of routes out of SFO that can use the upguage.

ORD's only hope in the near term for new aircraft in my opinion rest solely on the 787-10, I don't think UA needs all 14 of those frames at EWR.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:43 pm
by dcajet
FSDan wrote:
dcajet wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Told before and now repeat: GRU
Maybe seasonal or swapping with 772 but this gonna happen. Just a matter of time (or frames)


There are no current plans to base the 77W @ IAH or ORD which is from where GRU would see a 77W in UA's colors.


Actually, I think EWR-GRU is more likely to someday see a 77W than either of the other two... I'm not sure GRU is a better fit for the 77W than some more Asian destinations, however. Maybe a winter-only upgrade to EWR-GRU while routes like SFO-LHR and SFO-FRA are in slow season.


Could be, but with AA/LATAM/Avianca/Delta on the NYC-GRU route already, competition is plenty to warrant capacity.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:54 pm
by N649DL
ikolkyo wrote:
Didn’t 744s fly out of ORD in their heyday? I could see it


Those routes have since been replaced with the GE powered (Ex-CO) 777s in some cases.

I would think the additional 773s would be good for EWR to alleviate those pesky HD 777s on the European routes. Those planes are not acceptable on TATL, IMO.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:14 pm
by Kbud
jetskipper wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Didn’t 744s fly out of ORD in their heyday? I could see it


In the heydays UA flew double daily ORD-NRT 744s. That was during their large NRT hub and prior to the ANA partnership.

Not sure how long ago you consider the heyday, but United flew their 744s out of ORD to NRT, PVG, Beijing and FRA only a few years ago. They even flew HKG a year before that. They cut capacity quite a bit out of ORD when they switched them all to 777s. The last year (or two) of 744 existence for United they all were moved to SFO as they were having so many reliability issues.

I agree that it seems they’d keep them at SFO and Newark, but ORD isn’t too far fetched. Maybe adding some capacity as AA cut all China routes and reduced NRT from Chicago? Doubtful.

Sort of sad that ORD has been given zero new 787s or 77Ws for int.l ops.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:14 pm
by panam330
ojjunior wrote:
Told before and now repeat: GRU
Maybe seasonal or swapping with 772 but this gonna happen. Just a matter of time (or frames)


I disagree it'll be Brazil.

I fully expect ORD-HKG, upgauging the second EWR-TLV, or Australia to receive [some of] these 77Ws. We shall see, though - these are certainly interesting and exciting times at UA.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:20 pm
by musman9853
iahcsr wrote:
behramjee wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I'd love to know the terms. I'm certain UA received a good offer. Boeing still needs to sell a few more GE90 powered 777 for the easiest line transition.

Lightsaber

Late edit with link:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 73-455042/


The article also states that 24 additional B737MAXs were ordered...any idea which variant ?

As with most past 737 orders the subtype(s) will most likely be decided at a later time. Don’t expect any Max8 though.



probably a few -8s, i'd think, but the bulk probably -9s

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:26 pm
by musman9853
Boof02671 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I have no idea on the MAX order. As this is a 777 thread, I'm more interested in the deal UA received on the late 77Ws.

United1 wrote:

2 late this year and 2 in 2020.

Just in time, for Boeing. ;)

The two this year must have been started as white tails...

Lightsaber

Nope.

Takes 83 days to build a 777. I seriously doubt Boeing wants to build any white tails.

Of course depending on the paint job and possible issues, these numbers can change, but this is based on the average build for a 777:

From first part to out of the Boeing factory in Everett: 49 days
Time in the paint booth: 4 additional days
Flights and testing: About 30 additional days
Total from first part to delivery: About 83 days — less than three months.

https://blog.seattlepi.com/airlinerepor ... oeing-777/



that's just assembly time, thats not counting all the lead time it takes for all the parts

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:48 pm
by RainerBoeing777
FSDan wrote:
lhrsfosyd wrote:
What are the current routes?


As of Summer 2019, they will be:
SFO-LHR #1
SFO-FRA
SFO-TLV
SFO-NRT
SFO-TPE
SFO-HKG
EWR-TLV #2
EWR-BOM
EWR-NRT
EWR-HKG

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the new 77Ws serve ORD-HKG and one of the ORD-FRA frequencies. ORD-HKG is one of the longest remaining 772 routes, and those are some of the routes UA has been targeting for the 77W. I could also potentially see one of the SFO-PVG frequencies or EWR-PVG getting upgauged (but only if UA doesn't get awarded their requested 2nd EWR-PVG frequency).


is missing from your SFO-PEK list
my predictions are
SFO-CDG
SFO-SYD
SFO-PVG
SFO-ICN
I doubt EWR-PVG because a second frequency will be added in 2020

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:57 pm
by voxkel
I'm thinking EWR-DEL/PVG. Also, isn't EWR-TLV moving from 77W to 78J, or is that not happening anymore?

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:04 pm
by fun2fly
It's only 4 units which basically equals two TPAC routes. EWR PVG if 2nd flight doesn't happen + 1 more.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:09 pm
by seabosdca
musman9853 wrote:
probably a few -8s, i'd think, but the bulk probably -9s


Wouldn't expect any more MAX 9 orders unless Boeing decides to retrofit the 9 with the 10 main gear for improved field performance. UA will be choosing between 8s and 10s (and I expect most of these to be delivered as 10s).

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:11 pm
by jayunited
voxkel wrote:
I'm thinking EWR-DEL/PVG. Also, isn't EWR-TLV moving from 77W to 78J, or is that not happening anymore?


No the 77W is staying the 78J is replacing the 77E that currently on the route.
Currently: 1x 77E, 1x 77W
Spring 2019: 1x 78J, 1x 77W

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:11 pm
by RyanairGuru
SFO-SYD seasonal seems like a safe bet given that high season to Australia is Northern Winter, when TATL traffic plummets. I could definitely see something like swapping a 789 and 77W between SFO-FRA and SFO-SYD in summer/winter respectively.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:37 pm
by IADCA
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
lhrsfosyd wrote:
What are the current routes?


As of Summer 2019, they will be:
SFO-LHR #1
SFO-FRA
SFO-TLV
SFO-NRT
SFO-TPE
SFO-HKG
EWR-TLV #2
EWR-BOM
EWR-NRT
EWR-HKG

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the new 77Ws serve ORD-HKG and one of the ORD-FRA frequencies. ORD-HKG is one of the longest remaining 772 routes, and those are some of the routes UA has been targeting for the 77W. I could also potentially see one of the SFO-PVG frequencies or EWR-PVG getting upgauged (but only if UA doesn't get awarded their requested 2nd EWR-PVG frequency).


is missing from your SFO-PEK list
my predictions are
SFO-CDG
SFO-SYD
SFO-PVG
SFO-ICN
I doubt EWR-PVG because a second frequency will be added in 2020


I think people need to remember that the 77W might move around the system seasonally. For example, SFO-AKL has always been a 77W, and it's going year-round again, but it was announced as a 772 in Northern Hemisphere summer when the year-round announcement came. It's possible that goes 77W all year, or it splits a bird seasonally with a European route, like an additional LHR turn.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:48 pm
by FSDan
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
lhrsfosyd wrote:
What are the current routes?


As of Summer 2019, they will be:
SFO-LHR #1
SFO-FRA
SFO-TLV
SFO-NRT
SFO-TPE
SFO-HKG
EWR-TLV #2
EWR-BOM
EWR-NRT
EWR-HKG

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the new 77Ws serve ORD-HKG and one of the ORD-FRA frequencies. ORD-HKG is one of the longest remaining 772 routes, and those are some of the routes UA has been targeting for the 77W. I could also potentially see one of the SFO-PVG frequencies or EWR-PVG getting upgauged (but only if UA doesn't get awarded their requested 2nd EWR-PVG frequency).


is missing from your SFO-PEK list


SFO-PEK is intentionally missing, because it's going to be operated by a 772 this summer. I started the list off with "as of Summer 2019"...

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
I doubt EWR-PVG because a second frequency will be added in 2020


*conditional on UA winning those frequencies from AA - definitely not a given at this point

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:49 pm
by GoSharks
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
lhrsfosyd wrote:
What are the current routes?


As of Summer 2019, they will be:
SFO-LHR #1
SFO-FRA
SFO-TLV
SFO-NRT
SFO-TPE
SFO-HKG
EWR-TLV #2
EWR-BOM
EWR-NRT
EWR-HKG

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the new 77Ws serve ORD-HKG and one of the ORD-FRA frequencies. ORD-HKG is one of the longest remaining 772 routes, and those are some of the routes UA has been targeting for the 77W. I could also potentially see one of the SFO-PVG frequencies or EWR-PVG getting upgauged (but only if UA doesn't get awarded their requested 2nd EWR-PVG frequency).


is missing from your SFO-PEK list
my predictions are
SFO-CDG
SFO-SYD
SFO-PVG
SFO-ICN
I doubt EWR-PVG because a second frequency will be added in 2020

CDG would be seasonal at best. In the winter, it is a 788.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?i

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:51 pm
by STT757
Perhaps one of Three possible choices;

EWR option:
FRA 1, DEL 1, TLV 1 ( 2 daily 77W)

SFO option:
ICN 1, PEK 1, SYD 1* ( could be rotated seasonally with a Trans- Atlantic)

ORD option:
FRA 1, HKG 1, NRT 1

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:39 pm
by BlatantEcho
Arrived in Frankfurt this morning on UA 77W SFO-FRA. Great ride. Glad to see them getting more of these.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:41 pm
by AA100
I wonder if SFO-LHR could go year round on the 77W?

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:35 pm
by airportlover
FlightLevel360 wrote:
EWR-PEK/PVG


I agree. Especially if United doesn’t get the second EWR-PVG flight they requested. Also maybe once they upguage these two routes to the 77W, the old 777-200s (once retrofitted) could be used on EWR-ICN, EWR-TPE, or a new African destination.

Re: UA orders 4 More 777-300ERs - What Routes?

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:10 pm
by 77H
FSDan wrote:
lhrsfosyd wrote:
What are the current routes?


As of Summer 2019, they will be:
SFO-LHR #1
SFO-FRA
SFO-TLV
SFO-NRT
SFO-TPE
SFO-HKG
EWR-TLV #2
EWR-BOM
EWR-NRT
EWR-HKG

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the new 77Ws serve ORD-HKG and one of the ORD-FRA frequencies. ORD-HKG is one of the longest remaining 772 routes, and those are some of the routes UA has been targeting for the 77W. I could also potentially see one of the SFO-PVG frequencies or EWR-PVG getting upgauged (but only if UA doesn't get awarded their requested 2nd EWR-PVG frequency).


I’m not sure why it keeps being suggested EWR/ORD-HKG need to be operated by the 77W simply because they are the longest 77E routes.
The 77E, even the PW-powered ones have been operating these routes for years, successfully. The 77W has 74 more seats than the Polaris configured 77E. If UA doesn’t feel they can confidently sell 74 additional seats on EWR/ORD-HKG there is no reason to upgauge.
I flew on a Polaris/PE configured PW 77E in December NRT-ORD and the aircraft looked brand new on the inside. From a hard product standpoint the 77E and 77W are 1:1 so the 77W doesn’t bring a value add in that regard either.

77H