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US-Russia nonstop flights

Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:37 pm

UA/AA/DL don't offer services to Russia any more. Only Aeroflot offers limited flights and destinations in US. What is the particular reason? I know Russian visa is complicated, is that the issue?
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:43 pm

Would you open a new business location in Moscow right now?
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:45 pm

The existing SU routes are SVO to IAD, JFK, LAX, and MIA
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:46 pm

Business travel collapsed as a whole. My old company used to send people to Russia (as we had clients there) but we started meeting at a European office instead of going to Russia. Geopolitical tensions became too poor to justify sending anyone to Russia.

Also, lower oil prices tends to push companies away from joint ventures in higher risk areas. Russia fits into that category. Also sanctions on Russia really hit the ability of Russian energy oligarchs to obtain capital. It's hard to pay your Western partners if you can't finance anything properly.
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:50 pm

I may think the OP is not following politics much and is probably still pretty young.
 
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Re: US-Russia nonstops flights

Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:04 pm

LondonXtreme wrote:
UA/AA/DL don't offer services to Russia any more.


AA's ORD-DME and UA's IAD-DME were marginal at best - and that was before the annexation of Crimea. I doubt those carriers have any intention of even thinking about serving Russia again anytime soon.

DL's JFK-SVO service was really the only U.S. carrier operation that had any kind of decent track record. I believe DL's ATL-SVO was about as short-lived as the aforementioned AA and UA services. Perhaps DL will elect to resume JFK-SVO if U.S.-Russia ties improve...

LondonXtreme wrote:
Only Aeroflot offers limited flights and destinations in US. What is the particular reason? I know Russian visa is complicated, is that the issue?


Limited? It seems SU heavily relies on connecting traffic to fill its U.S. flights. When I was looking at options to come home from Barcelona last August, by far the cheapest options from BCN to LAX were SU (via SVO), TK (via IST) and WW (via KEF). I'm not one to mind backtracking for a good fare, but as an American citizen, I immediately ruled out connecting through Russia. I've heard and read countless horror stories about connecting through SVO, and simply did not feel comfortable setting foot in Russia - even as a transit passenger (thus avoiding that complicated visa). I'm sure I'm not the only one!
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Re: US-Russia nonstops flights

Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:10 pm

As with many routes, the premium demand for a non-stop simply doesn't exist, and in this day and age of code-shares and alliances, a one-stop (or sometimes a total of two stops) can get a person to Moscow while still earning their miles. Delta will send you via AMS or CDG, United via FRA or MUC, and American via LHR (or maybe MAD).

On a side note, a friend of mine is flying JFK-VIE via SVO, as that is the least expensive option. Great Circle Mapper indicates that that routing adds 34.4% of flying time:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=JFK-VIE%2C+JFK-SVO-VIE&DU=mi&SU=kts&RS=best
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:19 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:

I've heard and read countless horror stories about connecting through SVO, and simply did not feel comfortable setting foot in Russia - even as a transit passenger (thus avoiding that complicated visa). I'm sure I'm not the only one!


Yup. Particularly for passengers who aren't white, forget it. Who can forget SU "deporting" US citizens of Indian origin back to India rather than rebook them onward to their final destination in the US! Insanity.
 
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:46 pm

Russia's economy is pure garbage. I cant imagine SU makes much on Russian traffic alone. They get a lot of onward connections to places outside Russia.
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:50 pm

9w748capt wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:

I've heard and read countless horror stories about connecting through SVO, and simply did not feel comfortable setting foot in Russia - even as a transit passenger (thus avoiding that complicated visa). I'm sure I'm not the only one!


Yup. Particularly for passengers who aren't white, forget it. Who can forget SU "deporting" US citizens of Indian origin back to India rather than rebook them onward to their final destination in the US! Insanity.


Paranoid much? It is a perfectly normal country. Politics is a different story, like in many other parts of the world.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:01 am

senatorflyer wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:

I've heard and read countless horror stories about connecting through SVO, and simply did not feel comfortable setting foot in Russia - even as a transit passenger (thus avoiding that complicated visa). I'm sure I'm not the only one!


Yup. Particularly for passengers who aren't white, forget it. Who can forget SU "deporting" US citizens of Indian origin back to India rather than rebook them onward to their final destination in the US! Insanity.


Paranoid much? It is a perfectly normal country. Politics is a different story, like in many other parts of the world.


Honestly that wasnt my experience there. Easily one the most racists places Ive been.
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Re: US-Russia nonstops flights

Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:05 am

LondonXtreme wrote:
UA/AA/DL don't offer services to Russia any more. Only Aeroflot offers limited flights and destinations in US. What is the particular reason? I know Russian visa is complicated, is that the issue?

US visa is just as complicated, if not more so.
 
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Re: US-Russia nonstops flights

Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:11 am

Isn't there also the (seasonal) PKC-ANC flight on Yakutia?
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:16 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
Isn't there also the (seasonal) PKC-ANC flight on Yakutia?


Yes...hopefully it survives the correct political strife.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:21 am

senatorflyer wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:

I've heard and read countless horror stories about connecting through SVO, and simply did not feel comfortable setting foot in Russia - even as a transit passenger (thus avoiding that complicated visa). I'm sure I'm not the only one!


Yup. Particularly for passengers who aren't white, forget it. Who can forget SU "deporting" US citizens of Indian origin back to India rather than rebook them onward to their final destination in the US! Insanity.


Paranoid much? It is a perfectly normal country. Politics is a different story, like in many other parts of the world.


You're kidding me right? When did I ever say anything about the country? All I did was mention a racist incident carried out by the state apparatus, and that makes me paranoid? They're the racists, not me.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:25 am

Russia is a wonderful and fascinating country that also has a lot of issues, as anywhere does. I would definitely try to visit at some point in your life. My next scheduled trip to Russia is JFK-SVO in August in SU’s business class.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:47 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Russia's economy is pure garbage. I cant imagine SU makes much on Russian traffic alone. They get a lot of onward connections to places outside Russia.


But not Ukraine. My future in laws flew from Odessa to JFK on SU to get to the US for my fiance's and my wedding 4 years ago. By the time they flew back to the US to spend Thanksgiving with us, Ukraine and Russia were no longer allowing each other's aircraft over their airs space. Anyway since none of SU's destinations in the US are very convenient for flying to and from south Texas, it's more convenient to use TK.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:15 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
Isn't there also the (seasonal) PKC-ANC flight on Yakutia?


Yes, since 2012 PKC-ANC-PKC flights were operated on seasonal basis from end of July through September. However, Yakutia (R3) is currently under temporary suspension of International service issued by Russian State Authority for Civil Aviation. Pending reinstatement before any future scheduling can be discussed.
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:28 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
senatorflyer wrote:
Paranoid much? It is a perfectly normal country. Politics is a different story, like in many other parts of the world.

Honestly that wasnt my experience there. Easily one the most racists places Ive been.

I'll second that last part... while (parts of) India was a close second, I've **NEVER** seen racism more blatantly and disgustingly displayed than during my time in Russia.

Would never recommend a person of color go there without local (or less be real: white) acquaintances to accompany, as you're just not going to be treated well for the most part; and that's the saddest freakin' thing to say, but true.
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:07 am

I think Bering Air also have a seasonal flight from Alaska to Russia?
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:33 am

When Russia had IL-86, IL-62, TU-134, TU-154 and IL-18s all over, it was an awesome place to go. Now they fly 737s and A320s. I have little reason to go there anymore :)
 
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Re: US-Russia nonstop flights

Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:02 am

Although this thread was about US3 flights to Russia ...

I have connected via SVO and DME many times on flights from EU to Asia and even Middle East. Both are modern airports, with nice lounges, nice staff etc.

I’ve been to 8 cities in Russia so far, met helpful people at each of them. And generally everybody below the age of 40-45 speaks good English, the younger the better.

No need for Russia bashing if you haven’t been there yourself. Moscow is a ‚normal’ metropolis city of western standard, St. Petersburg is also catching up quickly.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:16 am

Nothing wrong with Aeroflot or Russia. In fact talking with my friends in Asia, Aeroflot is one of the cheapest ways to travel Asia to Europe for those on a budget.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:45 am

I don’t think its an absurd question to ask about the lack of flights between two G20 nations, I think the lack of demand also has to do with relations between the nations, as some countries with much less trade have populations (mostly on the US) side willing to visit the other country for many reasons.
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Russia is a wonderful and fascinating country that also has a lot of issues, as anywhere does. I would definitely try to visit at some point in your life. My next scheduled trip to Russia is JFK-SVO in August in SU’s business class.


I flew business class LAX-SVO and had wonderful service, the flight crew was attentive and quite friendly. I spent a week in Moscow and the flexibility SU domestic to LED and had an enjoyable flight. Even the transfer LED-SVO-LAX was easy.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:59 am

9w748capt wrote:
Yup. Particularly for passengers who aren't white, forget it. Who can forget SU "deporting" US citizens of Indian origin back to India rather than rebook them onward to their final destination in the US! Insanity.


Let's be honest - B.S. of this grade is extremely rare in the industry and can happen on any airline.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:02 am

c933103 wrote:
I think Bering Air also have a seasonal flight from Alaska to Russia?


I've seen one of those Siberian airlines operating a seasonal summer once-weekly flight from Petropavlovsk to Anchorage, on a 738. And it was expensive (4 figures round-trip).
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:07 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Russia's economy is pure garbage. I cant imagine SU makes much on Russian traffic alone. They get a lot of onward connections to places outside Russia.


And nonetheless SU has 2x daily JFK on 333, plus LAX and MIA. In summer they often put 77Ws on these routes.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:10 am

x1234 wrote:
Nothing wrong with Aeroflot or Russia. In fact talking with my friends in Asia, Aeroflot is one of the cheapest ways to travel Asia to Europe for those on a budget.


I think the reason for these price differentials is cost of overflying Russia for non-Russian airlines - I've read somewhere it's steep and often goes into 3 figures per passenger each way. SU obviously does not have these expenses.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:38 am

anrec80 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
Nothing wrong with Aeroflot or Russia. In fact talking with my friends in Asia, Aeroflot is one of the cheapest ways to travel Asia to Europe for those on a budget.


I think the reason for these price differentials is cost of overflying Russia for non-Russian airlines - I've read somewhere it's steep and often goes into 3 figures per passenger each way. SU obviously does not have these expenses.

Not only don't they pay overflight fees, but SU is actually the recipient of the monies that other, foreign, airlines pay in overflight fees. It is one of - or the major - reasons of SU's profitability.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:57 am

I think Russia's a great place to visit. Although airport immigration at ROV (Rostov-on-Don) took me into secondary (they REALLY didn't know why I wanted to visit their city), I never encountered any issues wandering throughout Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, or Rostov. In fact, Moscow is one of my favorite cities; taking the metro and visiting the older stations is fascinating, as is admiring the metropolitan Socialist architecture, and sampling Georgian and Uzbek food.

As for SU, I've flown them a few times, on their 773ER and Airbus A320s. We landed, that's what counts...ok, the food was rough, so bring a few snacks. But, now that I don't have a valid visa, the option to transit through SVO is much less tempting.
 
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BuildingMyBento wrote:
I think Russia's a great place to visit. Although airport immigration at ROV (Rostov-on-Don) took me into secondary (they REALLY didn't know why I wanted to visit their city), I never encountered any issues wandering throughout Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, or Rostov. In fact, Moscow is one of my favorite cities; taking the metro and visiting the older stations is fascinating, as is admiring the metropolitan Socialist architecture, and sampling Georgian and Uzbek food.

As for SU, I've flown them a few times, on their 773ER and Airbus A320s. We landed, that's what counts...ok, the food was rough, so bring a few snacks. But, now that I don't have a valid visa, the option to transit through SVO is much less tempting.

But, hey, at SVO you CAN transit without a visa, which is more than can be said about the US...
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:15 pm

anrec80 wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
Yup. Particularly for passengers who aren't white, forget it. Who can forget SU "deporting" US citizens of Indian origin back to India rather than rebook them onward to their final destination in the US! Insanity.


Let's be honest - B.S. of this grade is extremely rare in the industry and can happen on any airline.


Can you cite a similar incident that occurred on a different airline? Genuinely curious.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:25 pm

anrec80 wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
Yup. Particularly for passengers who aren't white, forget it. Who can forget SU "deporting" US citizens of Indian origin back to India rather than rebook them onward to their final destination in the US! Insanity.


Let's be honest - B.S. of this grade is extremely rare in the industry and can happen on any airline.


Deporting US citizens back to India just because they are of Indian origin. Come on - I never heard of that before on any airline or country. And yes, US citizens need even transit visas in Russia if they are leaving the airport.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:34 pm

hohd wrote:
anrec80 wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
Yup. Particularly for passengers who aren't white, forget it. Who can forget SU "deporting" US citizens of Indian origin back to India rather than rebook them onward to their final destination in the US! Insanity.


Let's be honest - B.S. of this grade is extremely rare in the industry and can happen on any airline.


Deporting US citizens back to India just because they are of Indian origin. Come on - I never heard of that before on any airline or country. And yes, US citizens need even transit visas in Russia if they are leaving the airport.

If you leave the airport, then it wouldn't be a transit visa. Then you are effectively entering Russia. And you have no reason to leave the airport's transit area if you are flying, say JFK-SVO-DEL.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:40 pm

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I'm not one to mind backtracking for a good fare, but as an American citizen, I immediately ruled out connecting through Russia. I've heard and read countless horror stories about connecting through SVO, and simply did not feel comfortable setting foot in Russia - even as a transit passenger (thus avoiding that complicated visa). I'm sure I'm not the only one!

Sorry that is RIDICULOUS. And shameful. Though you guys were the land of the free. But the world outside your borders is off limits apparently. Have you seen The Truman Show?
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:49 pm

Pan Am had a non stop 747 service from Moscow to NY for a while

Dont think any other US carriers flew into the Soviet Union in that era though
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:49 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Russia's economy is pure garbage. I cant imagine SU makes much on Russian traffic alone. They get a lot of onward connections to places outside Russia.


On the other hand, PAX at Moscow airports are exploding and must be at record levels or close to it. Russian carriers are launching all the time new holiday-oriented routes to Europe and Asia.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:51 pm

cedarjet wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
I'm not one to mind backtracking for a good fare, but as an American citizen, I immediately ruled out connecting through Russia. I've heard and read countless horror stories about connecting through SVO, and simply did not feel comfortable setting foot in Russia - even as a transit passenger (thus avoiding that complicated visa). I'm sure I'm not the only one!

Sorry that is RIDICULOUS. And shameful. Though you guys were the land of the free. But the world outside your borders is off limits apparently. Have you seen The Truman Show?

Don't you insult Truman. He was pretty intelligent, he found his way out in the end.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:55 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
BuildingMyBento wrote:
I think Russia's a great place to visit. Although airport immigration at ROV (Rostov-on-Don) took me into secondary (they REALLY didn't know why I wanted to visit their city), I never encountered any issues wandering throughout Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, or Rostov. In fact, Moscow is one of my favorite cities; taking the metro and visiting the older stations is fascinating, as is admiring the metropolitan Socialist architecture, and sampling Georgian and Uzbek food.

As for SU, I've flown them a few times, on their 773ER and Airbus A320s. We landed, that's what counts...ok, the food was rough, so bring a few snacks. But, now that I don't have a valid visa, the option to transit through SVO is much less tempting.

But, hey, at SVO you CAN transit without a visa, which is more than can be said about the US...


Haha great point actually. I suspect if the US economy was as weak as Russia's and our airlines were dependent on connecting traffic that things would change. Although that would require US airports to completely change their operations.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:59 pm

hohd wrote:
anrec80 wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
Yup. Particularly for passengers who aren't white, forget it. Who can forget SU "deporting" US citizens of Indian origin back to India rather than rebook them onward to their final destination in the US! Insanity.


Let's be honest - B.S. of this grade is extremely rare in the industry and can happen on any airline.


Deporting US citizens back to India just because they are of Indian origin. Come on - I never heard of that before on any airline or country. And yes, US citizens need even transit visas in Russia if they are leaving the airport.


What, you think I'm making it up? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 74406.html

Obviously passengers simply transiting SVO (as the passengers in the article were trying to do) don't need a transit visa, but that's irrelevant here.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:40 pm

All of these moronic and incorrect statements.

Yes Russian economy is weaker but by 2020 it will overtake Germany and Uk to be in the top 5. As per charter bank and world bank iirc.

Loved Delta from JFK to Svo, especially on the 767.

Keep in mind, us3 flights primarily were for Americans visiting Russia. Most native Russians and Slavs who do not speak English as primary language would far prefer to take Aeroflot, even at higher prices.

Beyond that, SU also had a better product in Business versus Delta, so Russian money, which there was a lot of, would prefer SU A330 and 777 to the Delta 767.

Don’t forget Trans Aero also had a really solid product up front.

So not a surprise at all that Delta and other domestics are not flying to russia. Nothing to do with sanctions but rather common business.

SU is generally 3x daily now on SVO to JFK and all of the flights we were on were packed to the gills.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:47 pm

Singapore had service from IAH to DME for many years with several contracts with Chevron, Lukoil, and ENI, to name a few, for oil traffic. This is when US imports of Russian crude hit their highs. They also carried a fair amount of NASA traffic up front. Once the oil traffic slowed, as did cargo, Singapore moved the route to IAH-MAN a couple of years ago.
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:48 pm

MaksFly wrote:
All of these moronic and incorrect statements.

Yes Russian economy is weaker but by 2020 it will overtake Germany and Uk to be in the top 5. As per charter bank and world bank iirc.

Loved Delta from JFK to Svo, especially on the 767.

Keep in mind, us3 flights primarily were for Americans visiting Russia. Most native Russians and Slavs who do not speak English as primary language would far prefer to take Aeroflot, even at higher prices.

Beyond that, SU also had a better product in Business versus Delta, so Russian money, which there was a lot of, would prefer SU A330 and 777 to the Delta 767.

Don’t forget Trans Aero also had a really solid product up front.

So not a surprise at all that Delta and other domestics are not flying to russia. Nothing to do with sanctions but rather common business.

SU is generally 3x daily now on SVO to JFK and all of the flights we were on were packed to the gills.


The Russian economy (2017 GDP) would have to grow by 62% to surpass the U.K. and by 225% to surpass the German economy.

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Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:02 pm

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Pan Am had a non stop 747 service from Moscow to NY for a while

Dont think any other US carriers flew into the Soviet Union in that era though

TWA did for a hot minute via Frankfurt, with one of their European based 727s. At the time, they also had intra-German service to/from TXL, similar to what PA offered. This was wall prior to the Berlin Wall coming down.
 
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:34 pm

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Yes Russian economy is weaker but by 2020 it will overtake Germany and Uk to be in the top 5. As per charter bank and world bank iirc.


Drinking Vladimir's Kool Aid? Are you aware of the level of fantasy & delusion of the above sentence?

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Keep in mind, us3 flights primarily were for Americans visiting Russia. Most native Russians and Slavs who do not speak English as primary language would far prefer to take Aeroflot, even at higher prices.


Slavs as in? Half of my family is from the Czech Republic. And I can't think of any Czech that would pay more to take Aeroflot. Quite the contrary, actually.
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Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:53 pm

MaksFly wrote:
All of these moronic and incorrect statements.
Most native Russians and Slavs who do not speak English as primary language would far prefer to take Aeroflot, even at higher prices.


I do not know anyone in the local community of Slovaks, Czechs, Poles who would bother to fly SU from the left side of the Atlantic.
The Widget Air Line :)
 
vlad1971
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Re: US-Russia nonstop flights

Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:17 pm

BigGSFO wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Pan Am had a non stop 747 service from Moscow to NY for a while

Dont think any other US carriers flew into the Soviet Union in that era though

TWA did for a hot minute via Frankfurt, with one of their European based 727s. At the time, they also had intra-German service to/from TXL, similar to what PA offered. This was wall prior to the Berlin Wall coming down.

I remember TW was operating twice weekly B762 from STL to SVO in 92 or 93 but it did not last long . I think only one season .
 
jetblueguy22
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Re: US-Russia nonstops flights

Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:40 pm

cedarjet wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
I'm not one to mind backtracking for a good fare, but as an American citizen, I immediately ruled out connecting through Russia. I've heard and read countless horror stories about connecting through SVO, and simply did not feel comfortable setting foot in Russia - even as a transit passenger (thus avoiding that complicated visa). I'm sure I'm not the only one!

Sorry that is RIDICULOUS. And shameful. Though you guys were the land of the free. But the world outside your borders is off limits apparently. Have you seen The Truman Show?

No, the ridiculous thing is your overreaction to a logical line of thinking. Russia isn’t friendly to America, that surprises nobody considering that we haven’t been friends since the early 1940s.

You like Russia, and that’s fine. I’d like to visit someday when things aren’t so tense. But right now, it makes sense. You can say everybody is putting on blinders and you for some magical reason have the clarity we all lack, but it doesn’t mean you’re right.
Look at sweatpants guy. This is a 90 million dollar aircraft, not a Tallahassee strip club
 
trav777
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Re: US-Russia nonstop flights

Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:54 pm

BuildingMyBento wrote:
I think Russia's a great place to visit. Although airport immigration at ROV (Rostov-on-Don) took me into secondary (they REALLY didn't know why I wanted to visit their city), I never encountered any issues wandering throughout Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan, or Rostov. In fact, Moscow is one of my favorite cities; taking the metro and visiting the older stations is fascinating, as is admiring the metropolitan Socialist architecture, and sampling Georgian and Uzbek food.

As for SU, I've flown them a few times, on their 773ER and Airbus A320s. We landed, that's what counts...ok, the food was rough, so bring a few snacks. But, now that I don't have a valid visa, the option to transit through SVO is much less tempting.


Flew SU AMS-MLE thru SVO. Had no problems whatsoever.

I did J MLE-SVO for upsell at the airport. Great airline. Loved their airline promo montage on board. Flight attendants were top notch. A333.

I'm a US Citizen. Spent a night in Moscow. Great place. The slander leveled at the Russians upthread...it's shameful. No problems on the train to moscow, just didn't have any rubles to ride the Metro (#sadface). Stayed at the Savoy near Red Square. No idea why anyone would be afraid of traveling there. Certainly it was safer than Africa and Latin America, both places I've also been. Heck it is far safer than a lot of cities in the USA.

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