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Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:42 am

Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000? They could have kept the B747-400s for a few more years and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced.

Perhaps the B777-300ER is bigger? Then why not go for the B777-9?
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:45 am

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Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000? They could have kept the B747-400s for a few more years and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced.


Boeing and united are close .......and i am sure boeing gave them heavily discounted 777-300 ERs. Boeing needs to keep getting orders for the 777 while they are waiting on the 777x. They must fill that gap orders wise.
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:46 am

Because it’s the right plane for their needs at the price they desire.

The 350 is great, but it doesn’t ‘always win’.

There are many things to take into consideration: price, maintenance, availability, crew training, payload, financing costs, etc.
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:48 am

Because it is cheaper and faster to deliver
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:52 am

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Then why not go for the B777-9?

Because that airplane does not exist yet, and the fuel inerting modification on the 747-400 fleet was not done (this was a factor in the whale's retirement). Thus, the 77W fit the bill.
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:00 am

Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?

They have been converted to the A350-900
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:15 am

I would wager Boeing gave UA a screaming deal on those 77Ws to fill out the end of the production schedule for the "classic" 777 and UA needed a 744 replacement ASAP because they didn't do the inerting mod to them. It made a lot of sense to convert those -1000 orders to -900 orders to replace the 777-200s, the oldest of which are pushing 25 years old.
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:18 am

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Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?

They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:20 am

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They could have kept the B747-400s for a few more years and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced.


The 747 fleet was at the end of its life, its reliability was next to dismal and its dispatch rate the worst in the company. And besides, the 747 under US registry were due for some major FAA-mandated upgrade of its fuel tanks to prevent another TWA 800-like event. The cost of that work vis-a-vis the remaining life left on those frames was not commercially or economically justifiable. Keeping them was not an option.
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:21 am

UA ordered the 77W in 2015 and was able to take delivery in 2016.
The A350-1000 did not even have its first flight till end of 2016 and its first delivery to launch customers in 2018.
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:21 am

flee wrote:
United Airline wrote:
Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?

They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...


United ordered the A350 prior to the merger. Continental had zero orders
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:25 am

flee wrote:
United Airline wrote:
Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?

They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...



Continental was much more Boeing-centric. Gordon Bethune was a Boeing guy and they, at one time, had an exclusivity agreement with Boeing that became a gentlemen's agreement after the EU stepped in IIRC. I think many, many moons ago they had A300s-someone correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:31 am

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I think many, many moons ago they had A300s-someone correct me if I am wrong.


It'd be cool if there was a website where you could search for photos of certain types of airplanes and certain airlines.


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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:31 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
flee wrote:
United Airline wrote:
Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?

They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...


United ordered the A350 prior to the merger. Continental had zero orders


United (pre merger) concurrently ordered 25 787s and 25 A359s, then at a Paris Air Show the merged United decided to upscale the order to 35 and convert to the A35K. But as the 77Ws came in the A35K wasn't really needed, so as a means of not having to pay penalties as well as effectively deferring orders and allowing potential replacement of 77Es down the line they converted to 45 A359s.

Why did they go for the 77W? Fuel prices aren't that high, and haven't been for a little while now, and in that context older tech aircraft become more viable. With that in mind UA got a very good deal on price for late-line 77Ws, and they were available immediately to replace 744s.

The simple answer? Availability and cost.
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:31 am

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I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...

The A350 order was placed at Paris in 2013. Smisek was CEO of the merged UA.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/todayint ... y/2440665/

Just prior to the merger CO was all Boeing, while UA had just retired their last 737's and had a huge fleet of Airbus narrowbodies.

Edit: I should read the link prior to posting...the A350 order was a conversion of an order placed by pmUA
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:36 am

flee wrote:
United Airline wrote:
Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...

I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:38 am

I recommend to browse in some old threads, we had some discussions about it in the past, doing a quick search I found this thread as an example and it should give some answers:

viewtopic.php?t=1373075
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:56 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
flee wrote:
United Airline wrote:
Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...


United ordered the A350 prior to the merger. Continental had zero orders

Ooops, my bad! Thanks for the correction!
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:23 am

PmUA placed the Airbus A350 order, while pmCO placed the Boeing 787 order leading to the merger having both types.
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:02 pm

Airlines0613 wrote:
PmUA placed the Airbus A350 order, while pmCO placed the Boeing 787 order leading to the merger having both types.

As stated previous, pmUA also had 25 787s on order in addition to their 25 A350s. The merger just increased their 787 count because CO also had ~25 787s on order. Then later they converted to A35K and bumped up order.
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:06 pm

They keep deferring the A350s while ordering Boeing widebodies right left and center. I do not see them getting any A350s, otherwise they would be on site already with the A350-1000s.
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:07 pm

flee wrote:
United Airline wrote:
Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?

They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...


Except its actually Continental that survived the merger retaining most of the management. They just chose to stick with the United name. And UA was the one who ordered the A350 and CO the 787.
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:09 pm

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UA ordered the 77W in 2015 and was able to take delivery in 2016.
The A350-1000 did not even have its first flight till end of 2016 and its first delivery to launch customers in 2018.


UA was getting nervous from 744 operating costs and Boeing was filling the gap until the 777X.
And they got for a suitable price for delivery the year after. A win-win it seems. :thumbsup:

And Airbus lost a prime A350-1000 customer. So they were sad, but not for long. Because United upped their A350 order from 25 to 35 and 45 for starting replacing their 74 x 777-200/200ER's. I guess the new 22 x 77W's will be there until at least 2034..
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:11 pm

Here we go again, another A vs B thread.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:13 pm

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flee wrote:
United Airline wrote:
Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?

They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...


Except its actually Continental that survived the merger retaining most of the management. They just chose to stick with the United name. And UA was the one who ordered the A350 and CO the 787.

Again UA also ordered 787s:

https://www.heraldnet.com/business/unit ... 87s-a350s/
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:19 pm

The A350-1000 is a lot more advanced right?
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:21 pm

This is my copy/paste answer for all of these threads...

Because it was the best product for them (be it price, availability, performance, size, commonality, relationship with OEM and/or Gov, etc).
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:22 pm

Because United has 18 new 777-300er’s now and just topped the number up by four, at a end of production run discount. Good move.
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:32 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
Here we go again, another A vs B thread.


Not really. After your comment, maybe...
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:35 pm

United got a very good deal on the first batch of 777-300ERs it ordered, as the plane is nearing the end of its production cycle and there is a gap before the assembly line transitions to the updated 777. United most likely got a sweet deal on the 4 additional 777-300ERs it just ordered. United historically, has been a Boeing and McDonnell Douglas operator. There has been a long standing relationship between Boeing and United going back decades. In the early 1990s, United broke with tradition and bought 100 A320 family jets because the 737s on offer at the time did not have the range to handle transcontinental flights and Airbus scored a victory and a big order with one of the big 3 US carriers. Continental operated Airbus A300s from the late 1980s into the mid-1990s because it inherited them from Eastern Airlines. Eastern and Continental were sister airlines, under the Texas Air Corporation umbrella Frank Lorenzo created in the 1980s. Continental's fleet renewal program launched in 1993 as it emerged from its second bankruptcy was an ALL BOEING affair, with 737-500s, 757-200s being the first part of a multi-year order, followed up by the 737-700/800/900/900ER later and the wide body fleet renewal was focused on transitioning from 747-200s and DC10-30s to 767-200/400ER and 777-200ER.
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:38 pm

In February of 2015 Boeing and GE announced a 2% PIP for the 777-300ER so that should help the economics of these end of the line aircraft which includes the whole United fleet.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:40 pm

AirKevin wrote:
flee wrote:
United Airline wrote:
Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...

I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.


To be fair, I think the A320's were all bought for TED and were just shunted to mainline when that operation went bellyup. But I do believe that post you quoted is actually the opposite. UA isn't opposed to Airbus and really hasn't been for many years. It was CO that was all Boeing.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:44 pm

GatorClark wrote:
AirKevin wrote:
flee wrote:
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...

I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.


To be fair, I think the A320's were all bought for TED and were just shunted to mainline when that operation went bellyup. But I do believe that post you quoted is actually the opposite. UA isn't opposed to Airbus and really hasn't been for many years. It was CO that was all Boeing.

The A320s have been around since the early to mid 90s, long before TED. PmUA hadn’t received any new mainline plane since early 2002 before CO merger.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:49 pm

GatorClark wrote:
AirKevin wrote:
flee wrote:
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...

I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.


To be fair, I think the A320's were all bought for TED and were just shunted to mainline when that operation went bellyup. But I do believe that post you quoted is actually the opposite. UA isn't opposed to Airbus and really hasn't been for many years. It was CO that was all Boeing.


UA received their first A320 in 1993... 11 years before TED. United did not order any new A320s for TED.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:55 pm

GatorClark wrote:
AirKevin wrote:
flee wrote:
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...

I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.


To be fair, I think the A320's were all bought for TED and were just shunted to mainline when that operation went bellyup. But I do believe that post you quoted is actually the opposite. UA isn't opposed to Airbus and really hasn't been for many years. It was CO that was all Boeing.


- not correct GatorClark, the TED fleet came from mainline UA, then returned to it after TED was shut down.
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:57 pm

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Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000? They could have kept the B747-400s for a few more years and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced.

Perhaps the B777-300ER is bigger? Then why not go for the B777-9?


They would have had major required fuel tank upgrades to keep the 747-400's flying.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:59 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
flee wrote:
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...


United ordered the A350 prior to the merger. Continental had zero orders


United (pre merger) concurrently ordered 25 787s and 25 A359s, then at a Paris Air Show the merged United decided to upscale the order to 35 and convert to the A35K. But as the 77Ws came in the A35K wasn't really needed, so as a means of not having to pay penalties as well as effectively deferring orders and allowing potential replacement of 77Es down the line they converted to 45 A359s.

Why did they go for the 77W? Fuel prices aren't that high, and haven't been for a little while now, and in that context older tech aircraft become more viable. With that in mind UA got a very good deal on price for late-line 77Ws, and they were available immediately to replace 744s.

The simple answer? Availability and cost.

What was their reasoning for not ordering the 748? Availability and better fuel economy with the 777? I know that was the main reason why many airlines phased out their 747 fleets in favor of the later triple-7 variants. After reading some of these posts, I had no idea that TW800 played a factor in UA's 747 retirement. If they hadn't phased them out, I guess they would have faced fines from the FAA, NTSB, etc?
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:04 pm

This is all about cost and money. Has nothing to do with capability or favorability. The 777 current generation is just cheaper and Boeing had positions, so its a win-win for UA/Boeing.
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:17 pm

This is a very un-scientific answer, but it is larger, more powerful, has a slightly larger payload/cargo capacity, and is more closer in terms of capabilities to the 747-400.
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:42 pm

United Airlines and Boeing Aircraft co. were both founded by the same person. So along with United Technologies (note the "United") the Boeing Aircraft/United Airlines/Pratt & Whitney connection is close & tight. United will always buy planes and engines from it's two brothers. Not a surprise for anyone that knows their history. They will also buy the 777x, that's why they downsized the A350's ordered to the -900 model and only placed a new small order for the 773.
The 777x is going to be their new flagship, Its only a matter of when. The A320 is there because of UA. At that time CO was a Boeing - only airline. Having the 2 best selling narrow body jets in their fleet didn't hurt anyone. It's only helped to keep the A and B fans coming back to fly "the friendly skies."
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:58 pm

AirKevin wrote:
flee wrote:
United Airline wrote:
Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...

I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.

And have. I just rode in one from ORF-DEN a week ago.
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:28 pm

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United got a very good deal on the first batch of 777-300ERs it ordered, as the plane is nearing the end of its production cycle and there is a gap before the assembly line transitions to the updated 777. United most likely got a sweet deal on the 4 additional 777-300ERs it just ordered. United historically, has been a Boeing and McDonnell Douglas operator. There has been a long standing relationship between Boeing and United going back decades. In the early 1990s, United broke with tradition and bought 100 A320 family jets because the 737s on offer at the time did not have the range to handle transcontinental flights and Airbus scored a victory and a big order with one of the big 3 US carriers. Continental operated Airbus A300s from the late 1980s into the mid-1990s because it inherited them from Eastern Airlines. Eastern and Continental were sister airlines, under the Texas Air Corporation umbrella Frank Lorenzo created in the 1980s. Continental's fleet renewal program launched in 1993 as it emerged from its second bankruptcy was an ALL BOEING affair, with 737-500s, 757-200s being the first part of a multi-year order, followed up by the 737-700/800/900/900ER later and the wide body fleet renewal was focused on transitioning from 747-200s and DC10-30s to 767-200/400ER and 777-200ER.




This is not completely accurate


While Continental did acquire some A300
aircraft from Eastern they already had a substantial A300 fleet delivered new from Airbus
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:59 pm

Nobody mentioned compatibility, and the ease for adding the 77W to UA, already one of the largest 777 operators in the world.
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:29 pm

I thought part of the deal with the 777-300ER's was a straight swap for 787 slots. United got the 777-300ER's instead of 787's at no extra cost. Boeing gets to keep the 777 line going and to open up lucrative 787 slots to sell.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:33 pm

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I thought part of the deal with the 777-300ER's was a straight swap for 787 slots. United got the 777-300ER's instead of 787's at no extra cost. Boeing gets to keep the 777 line going and to open up lucrative 787 slots to sell.

Please correct me if I am wrong.


They were swapped from 787-10s.
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:36 pm

B764er wrote:
United Airlines and Boeing Aircraft co. were both founded by the same person. So along with United Technologies (note the "United") the Boeing Aircraft/United Airlines/Pratt & Whitney connection is close & tight. United will always buy planes and engines from it's two brothers. Not a surprise for anyone that knows their history. They will also buy the 777x, that's why they downsized the A350's ordered to the -900 model and only placed a new small order for the 773.
The 777x is going to be their new flagship, Its only a matter of when. The A320 is there because of UA. At that time CO was a Boeing - only airline. Having the 2 best selling narrow body jets in their fleet didn't hurt anyone. It's only helped to keep the A and B fans coming back to fly "the friendly skies."


Um.... Walter Varney is credited as United Airlines founder. William Boeing's contribution was to put all the pieces together called it United Aircraft and Transport Corporation. In 1931, UATC formed United Airlines.

United, P&W, and Boeing were indeed one company, but it was broken up with the Air Mail Scandal of 1934.
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:15 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
flee wrote:
United Airline wrote:
Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?

They have been converted to the A350-900

I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...


United ordered the A350 prior to the merger. Continental had zero orders


Right, in fact it was the quite opposite really. CO had orders for the 787 that got heavily delayed due to production issues at Boeing. UA had orders before the merger for both 787 and A350, but the order UAL took first were legacy CO (hence the lack of Polaris interiors on the planes for the -9, they were already ordered). I forget if and when UAL is taking delivery of legacy PMUA 787 orders. I think they have but it got muddy between the flight attendants of which are S-UA and S-CO, that sort of B.S. IIRC.

I'm fairly convinced UAL got the 773ER from Boeing because of price incentives. I believe it was at random too, they weren't in the fleet plan back circa 2012-2013. Boeing also gave UA a deal back in circa 2016 for something like 60 additional 73G that they announced and then retracted (I believe this was to catch up to DL and ditching single class RJs.)
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:19 pm

United have a lot of older 77E's that are due for replacement in the next 10 years or so.
The A359's are ideal replacements for that fleet.

Now the question is will UA debut a new livery on those jets?
 
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Re: Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000?

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:29 pm

The A320/319 fleet at United was ordered under Stephen Wolfe.He wanted Boeing to put a new wing on the 737-400 so it could fly non stop from DEN to any city in the 48 states.Boeing said no and Wolfe bought the Airbus product.Boeing decided to upgrade the 737 when they lost this order and the airplane United wanted became the 737-800.

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