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Re: Boeing 737NG Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Thu May 16, 2019 12:35 pm

Any info about L/N 7542 ? customer ?, it seems to be still at the FAL?
The next 737NG, L/N 1547 for Skymark Airlines has already completed her first (B1) flight at May 10th.
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Re: Boeing 737NG Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Wed May 22, 2019 5:15 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
Stitch wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
Given the previous E-7 AEW&C orders were recorded as 737-700W, it seems likely that this isn’t part of the UK order for 5 E-7s announced on the 22nd of March, but time will tell.


Agreed, it does not make sense to book BDS orders as BBJs.


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That is a very surprising and unexpected development if these are NGs as the name suggests! 3 in a single order suggests to me it may be a C-40B/C top up perhaps? They won't be C-40As or wedge tails as those are listed as 700C and 700W respectively. My reason for thinking C-40B/C is because the US already has a bunch and would want to keep the fleet the same for familiarity. If it was a new customer I think Boeing would have directed them at their Max BBJ offering.

Indeed, and added to that normally Business Jet customers are recorded as “Business Jet/VIP Customer”. Looking at the report by model series, 112 BBJs are ordered as that, and 9 as U.S. Air Force, so you may be on to something.

There is this article from last year, but that talks of C-40As: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... an-454181/

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Interestingly, FlightGlobal is reporting that only 3 of the 5 E-7s for the UK will be new-build aircraft: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... uy-458127/

As much as it doesn’t fit with previous convention of designating the aircraft 737-700W, the timing of the order for 3 BBJs by an Unidentified Customer does seem to fit with the UK E-7 order.

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My revised opinion is that these 3 new BBJ NG orders are indeed going to be the RAF E-7s. My thinking for them being filed as BBJ rather than 700W is because Boeing isn't doing the work, it will be Marshall's who'll be doing the full installation from what I understand. As the BBJ sub-model is basically a blank canvas empty shell, it makes more sense to file them as such and differentiates between the E-7s which Boeing did themselves or played a considerable role in.

Regarding the other remaining NGs, I'm still no further ahead in IDing the remaining 2 UNID frames. I wonder if there is an accounting error or cancellation from some time ago which Boeing hasn't officially deleted from the backlog.

The other BBJs, C-40s and 900s are already known above so I shall ignore those and focus on the remaining 14 - 2x BOC and 12 UNID :

2x BOC = Skymark - 1 ready for delivery and their final one should be flying in a couple of weeks.

12x UNID =
> 1 for Bocomm/KLM. Should be flying in the next week or so.
> 1 for SB Leasing/Pobeda. Should be flying any day.
> 8 for CES Group, 6 for CUA, 2 for CES. 1 CES is flying and ready for delivery, the other should be flying in the next couple of weeks. The 6 CUAs are reportedly not going anywhere until Daxing opens.
> 2 for ? ? ? [cancelled?]
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 10:02 am

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12x UNID =
> 1 for Bocomm/KLM. Should be flying in the next week or so.
> 1 for SB Leasing/Pobeda. Should be flying any day.
> 8 for CES Group, 6 for CUA, 2 for CES. 1 CES is flying and ready for delivery, the other should be flying in the next couple of weeks. The 6 CUAs are reportedly not going anywhere until Daxing opens.
> 2 for ? ? ? [cancelled?]


Would that Bcomm/KLM be built at L/N7582 (following L/N7577 for SB Leasing/Pobeda) or was Bcomm/KLM already built as L/N7542 (no customer identified) ?
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:42 pm

Boeing has reported their order and delivery numbers for May. There were 8 deliveries in May, including a C-40 and a P-8:

  • BOC Aviation (leased to Skymark) - 1x 737-800
  • China Eastern Airlines - 1x 737-800
  • Delta Air Lines - 4x 737-900ER
  • United States Navy - 1x 737-700C
  • United States Navy P-8 - 1x 737-800A/P-8

There were no new orders for the 737NG in May.

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Backlog as of 31 May 2019
737-700 - 1 (+4 BBJ)
  • United States Navy - 1 (737-700C)
  • Business Jet/VIP Customer - 1 (BBJ)
  • Unidentified Customer - 3 (BBJ)

737-800 - 12 (+41 737-800A/P-8, +2 BBJ2)
  • BOC Aviation - 1
  • Unidentified Customer(s) - 11
  • Australia - 1 (737-800A/P-8)
  • Indian Navy - 4 (737-800A/P-8)
  • Norway - 5 (737-800A/P-8)
  • United States Navy - 23 (737-800A/P-8)
  • United Kingdom - 8 (737-800A/P-8)
  • Business Jet/VIP Customer(s) - 2 (BBJ2)

737-900ER - 1
  • Delta Air Lines - 1

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Re: Boeing 737NG Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:00 am

As reported in another thread:

Someone83 wrote:
Pobeda took delivery av an NG today, so that is one less in the backlog

Boeing 737 -800 64871 7577 VP-BQZ Pobeda delivery 20-21jun19 BFI-KEF-VKO


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Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:23 am

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Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:33 am

Could NG production be restarted if there were some demand from airlines, or will Boeing resist this as a mark of failure/suicide with the MAX?

I am sure there are airlines that just want aircraft quickly, regardless of the tech.
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:07 am

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Could NG production be restarted if there were some demand from airlines, or will Boeing resist this as a mark of failure/suicide with the MAX?

I am sure there are airlines that just want aircraft quickly, regardless of the tech.

In theory yes. They won't do top ups of 2 or 3 frames but let's imagine theoretically that Southwest wants 100 737-800s, they still can produce them. But that being said some parts, engines etc all have to be purpose built and the first delivery will take at least 20 to 24 months, by that time the MAX should be flying again for a long time.
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:28 pm

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Could NG production be restarted if there were some demand from airlines...


Well they still are producing 737-800A that serve as the base platform for the P-8 Poseidon. There is also the 737-700 military models (C-40 Clipper, 737 AEW&C).

But as MEA-707 noted, commercial production would be very unlikely.
 
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:36 pm

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Skymark 737-800 JA73AC doing a touch and go at PAE

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And now delivered:
https://www.bocaviation.com/en/press-re ... e-delivery
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ym-459334/

Meanwhile Delta’s final 737-900ER is on a delivery flight to MCI: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9 ... /KBFI/KMCI

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Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:00 pm

Still unknown to me who the remaining 2x UNID B738s are for on Boeing's order books. Not showing in the current firing order here. I wonder if these will mysteriously be "cancelled" and disappear from the order books in the coming months? Just seeing a long list of Max frames now interspersed with a P8 every c.35 frames.
 
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:21 pm

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The BBJ and 2x BBJ2s you may as well remove off the list as they're already long gone. It's the Dutch Govt one and the 2 for Poland which are all flew away a long time ago.

Are you sure the last BBJ in the order book is the Dutch one PH-GOV? Strange it would still be showing as an order when it was delivered last year. The Polish ones are still undergoing outfitting aren’t they, so they make sense still being shown on order.

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Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:11 pm

Yes, the Dutch BBJ had not delivered as of the end of May. I believe it has been officially delivered earlier this month as it was registered to Koninkrijk der Nederlanden on or just prior to 16 June according to my sources. The order book in a few weeks time will tell us. It's still being worked on by GKN Fokker with final delivery pencilled in for August apparently (not confirmed by me).

The Polish BBJ2s were cancelled off the N-register quite some time ago but I believe both frames are still being worked on at Bordeaux. That just leaves the KLM which seems to have gone into hiding again after making a brief appearance and the C-40A which should leave for Kelly Field (for interior mods, not storage) in just over a week, and of course the 6x China United's which aren't expected to leave until Daxing opens (again not confirmed by me, it was reported by a Chinese source).
 
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Yes, the Dutch BBJ had not delivered as of the end of May. I believe it has been officially delivered earlier this month as it was registered to Koninkrijk der Nederlanden on or just prior to 16 June according to my sources. The order book in a few weeks time will tell us. It's still being worked on by GKN Fokker with final delivery pencilled in for August apparently (not confirmed by me).

The Polish BBJ2s were cancelled off the N-register quite some time ago but I believe both frames are still being worked on at Bordeaux. That just leaves the KLM which seems to have gone into hiding again after making a brief appearance and the C-40A which should leave for Kelly Field (for interior mods, not storage) in just over a week, and of course the 6x China United's which aren't expected to leave until Daxing opens (again not confirmed by me, it was reported by a Chinese source).

Ah well that will teach me for trusting the information on planespotters.net. I’m as intrigued as you are by the two UFOs. I wonder if they’ll pop up later on in the firing order?

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Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:13 am

They have a bad habit of putting the date it flew away as the delivery date so pretty much half of their data is wrong as most of the leasing companies deliver (officially, as per Boeing's order spreadsheet)) the day before they fly-away.
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:53 am

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Yes, the Dutch BBJ had not delivered as of the end of May. I believe it has been officially delivered earlier this month as it was registered to Koninkrijk der Nederlanden on or just prior to 16 June according to my sources. The order book in a few weeks time will tell us. It's still being worked on by GKN Fokker with final delivery pencilled in for August apparently (not confirmed by me).

A couple of nice interior pics in a tweet from Fokker Technologies:

https://twitter.com/fokker/status/11474 ... 64160?s=21

The hashtag #PHGOV leads to some more posts about the aircraft too.

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Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:29 pm

Thanks for the info V/F. Ref the KLM, an interesting development has caught my attention. It's original msn has now been changed on internal documents to one starting with a 9 ! I've never seen this happen before with an msn but I do know that Boeing uses line numbers starting with a 9 for static and fatigue test frames. Whether this is just an admin error or something more sinister is happening I have no clue at this time. It's odd that the frame hasn't been sighted at all, only its pair of winglets in the P-8 factory (the frame in Calla's pic is a P-8, not the KLM, as the P-8 fuselage antennas are all visible in the 2nd pic).

I shall make enquiries with my sources.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:50 pm

RobK wrote:
Thanks for the info V/F. Ref the KLM, an interesting development has caught my attention. It's original msn has now been changed on internal documents to one starting with a 9 ! I've never seen this happen before with an msn but I do know that Boeing uses line numbers starting with a 9 for static and fatigue test frames. Whether this is just an admin error or something more sinister is happening I have no clue at this time. It's odd that the frame hasn't been sighted at all, only its pair of winglets in the P-8 factory (the frame in Calla's pic is a P-8, not the KLM, as the P-8 fuselage antennas are all visible in the 2nd pic).

I shall make enquiries with my sources.


Rumor at AMS is that the wrong (?) wings were attached. No idea whether that is even remotely possible.
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:56 pm

June deliveries

Customer Name Model Delivery Date Total
BDS U.S. Navy (P-8A Poseidon) 737-800A 13-Jun-2019 1
BOC Aviation Limited 737-800 26-Jun-2019 1
Business Jet / VIP Customer(s) BBJ 14-Jun-2019 1
China Eastern Airlines 737-800 20-Jun-2019 1
Delta Air Lines 737-900ER 27-Jun-2019 1
Sberbank Leasing 737-800 19-Jun-2019 1
United States Navy 737-700C 30-Jun-2019 1


remaining backlog:
BBJ: 3
BBJ2: 2
737-800: 9 (all unidentified)

737-800A: 40 (P-8A Poseidon)
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:05 pm

Boeing has reported their order and delivery numbers for June. There were 7 deliveries in June, including a C-40 and a P-8:

  • BOC Aviation (leased to Skymark) - 1x 737-800
  • China Eastern Airlines - 1x 737-800
  • Delta Air Lines - 1x 737-900ER
  • Sberbank Leasing (leased to Probeda) - 1x 737-800
  • Business Jet/VIP Customers (Government of The Netherlands) - 1x BBJ
  • United States Navy - 1x 737-700C
  • United States Navy P-8 - 1x 737-800A/P-8

There were no new orders for the 737NG in June.

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Backlog as of 30 June 2019
737-700 - 0 (+3 BBJ)
  • Unidentified Customer - 3 (BBJ)

737-800 - 9 (+2 BBJ2, +40 737-800A/P-8)
  • Unidentified Customer(s) - 9
  • Business Jet/VIP Customer(s) - 2 (BBJ2)
  • Australia - 1 (737-800A/P-8)
  • Indian Navy - 4 (737-800A/P-8)
  • Norway - 5 (737-800A/P-8)
  • United States Navy - 22 (737-800A/P-8)
  • United Kingdom - 8 (737-800A/P-8)

737-900ER - 0
  • Production run complete

For the unidentified customers the working understanding from this thread is:
  • 3x BBJ - UK AEW&C Programme
  • 1x 737-800 - Bank of Communications Leasing (for KLM) - L/N 7542 - has had some sort of issue in final assembly
  • 6x 737-800 - China United Airlines - L/Ns 7352, 7362, 7377, 7417, 7457, 7522 - waiting for the opening of Daxing Airport in September.
  • 2x 737-800 - Unidentifiable
  • 2x BBJ2 - Government of Poland - L/Ns 7152, 7297

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Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:31 pm

Courtesy of the Airliners.net photo database, these are the China United aircraft stored at Boeing Field as photographed on 20 April:


L/N 7352 B-209G


L/N 7362 B-209F


L/N 7417 B-20A1 - foreground
L/N 7377 B-209H - middle
L/N 7457 B-209Z - background


L/N 7522 B-20A8

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Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:03 pm

For interest’s sake, these are the two Polish BBJ2s, as photographed last year:



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Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:48 am

pspfan wrote:
RobK wrote:
Thanks for the info V/F. Ref the KLM, an interesting development has caught my attention. It's original msn has now been changed on internal documents to one starting with a 9 ! I've never seen this happen before with an msn but I do know that Boeing uses line numbers starting with a 9 for static and fatigue test frames. Whether this is just an admin error or something more sinister is happening I have no clue at this time. It's odd that the frame hasn't been sighted at all, only its pair of winglets in the P-8 factory (the frame in Calla's pic is a P-8, not the KLM, as the P-8 fuselage antennas are all visible in the 2nd pic).

I shall make enquiries with my sources.


Rumor at AMS is that the wrong (?) wings were attached. No idea whether that is even remotely possible.


P-8 wings? :scratchchin:
 
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Re: Boeing 737NG Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:18 pm

Boeing has reported their order and delivery numbers for July. As expected, there were no commercial 737 deliveries in July, but two P-8s were marked as delivered:

  • United Kingdom - 1x 737-800A/P-8
  • United States Navy P-8 - 1x 737-800A/P-8

There were no new orders for the 737NG in July.

—————
Backlog as of 31 July 2019
737-700 - 0 (+3 BBJ)
  • Unidentified Customer - 3 (BBJ)

737-800 - 9 (+2 BBJ2, +38 737-800A/P-8)
  • Unidentified Customer(s) - 9
  • Business Jet/VIP Customer(s) - 2 (BBJ2)
  • Australia - 1 (737-800A/P-8)
  • Indian Navy - 4 (737-800A/P-8)
  • Norway - 5 (737-800A/P-8)
  • United States Navy - 20 (737-800A/P-8)
  • United Kingdom - 8 (737-800A/P-8)

737-900ER - 0
  • Production run complete

For the unidentified customers the working understanding from this thread is:
  • 3x BBJ - UK AEW&C Programme
  • 1x 737-800 - Bank of Communications Leasing (for KLM) - L/N 7542 - a production error led to Boeing rejecting the fuselage. New fuselage to be produced, aircraft unlikely to be delivered until next year - see thread at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1427119
  • 6x 737-800 - China United Airlines - L/Ns 7352, 7362, 7377, 7417, 7457, 7522 - waiting for the opening of Daxing Airport in September.
  • 2x 737-800 - Unidentifiable
  • 2x BBJ2 - Government of Poland - L/Ns 7152, 7297

—————

Note that the United States Navy P-8 backlog has dropped by 2 since last month's report, while the UK P-8 backlog remains the same. As has been noted before the P-8 delivery numbers on the Boeing website seem to be prone to error. Looking back over the thread and Boeing's latest report, it would appear that the P-8 delivered in March which was reported as United Kingdom at the time has been changed to United States Navy. This confirms what a couple of posters noted back then:

RobK wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
cpthuy wrote:
You sure that is not US Navy P-8? The first P-8 for UK is still months away.

Boeing’s delivery information is the source for it. I suspect it means it has been delivered to the UK P-8 programme, as opposed to the UK itself.

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Boeing has a history of making errors with the P-8 customer data. This is another example.


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