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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:51 am

Judge1310 wrote:
Yes, I have been to both JNB and CPT and no, I'm also "...not talking cushy 5* hotel visits..." either. Oh and robberies at red lights? Take a look at the local news from Chicago, Illinois, USA and run a search on car-hires/ride-sharing services (Uber, Lyft, etc) being held up at gunpoint in order to have iPhones/Navi stolen. (Just as a specific example)

No one was downplaying the severity of the socioeconomic and societal strife rampant throughout ZA -- that's quite evident in following both objective and anecdotal news from the region.


Good on you, we take note of your noteworthy social justice crusade for a country you don't even live in.

Tell me, have you lost friends who were murdered in their houses in South Africa for a hi-fi or a cell phone? Do you have to sit ready at red lights at night, creeping over the line and be prepared to defend yourself when a pistol-wielding crim comes knocking in your window.
Paramedics are afraid to help to help at night, and I'm not talking about in the townships. They get robbed of their drugs and valuables on scenes next to highways. Police stations were robbed by an armed gang and officers killed so they can get their weapons. Police stations close at 1800 in certain locations, or have private security because it is too unsafe. Do you have family members on a farm wiped out brutally on a racially incited home raid? Yes, I know the mainstream media downplays it as random violence with no motive, please show that article to the relatives of the 80-year old couple who was raped, knifed and hacked with a shovel before being stufffed in a freezer. (And you can't argue poverty if they haven't stolen anything)
Have you been stabbed with a knife whilst taking a stroll in a park 2km from home?

You've been to Cape Town? Good on you. Have you tried to take a metro train by yourself? There are very good chances that you might not make it through the station without some extra breathing holes.

So while you are on your noble high social horse from afar, please do not insult the intelligence of those of us for whom it is a daily concern when you wife etc. has to drive home late.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:56 am

Homadreaming86 wrote:
Crime on this level is caused by poverty and inequality. Not by the color of the skin of a person, or how diverse an area is. Be it in Europe or Africa.


Until you present evidence for this claim, it is merely your own religious belief.

There is and was plenty of poverty and inequality in China and East Asia, but those places have always had miniscule violent crime rates. Why don't illiterate impoverished starving Chinese peasants attack foreign airline crews outside PEK or PVG? How does your religion explain that?

You will never understand the world properly until you consider the heretical possibility that there is racially and culturally correlated variation in human behaviour.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:59 am

I don't see how London makes people's list. Sure there are places safer than others, but I just spent a week there and everybody is face down into their smartphones, everywhere and I didn't see any issues. The stabbings seem mostly isolated to certain areas including night clubs late night / early AM. Honestly, most big cities have some social problems but there are some locations which are worse than others. By the way, I did see two attractive women making out on the tube while their friend took pictures, that was new.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:30 am

Not the first time this has happened in Joburg.

https://sandtonchronicle.co.za/208880/t ... ton-hotel/
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:50 am

GBNWB wrote:
Complete and total nonsense. Whilst certain parts of the capital have gangs that enjoy stabbing each other, these are not places visitors or normal Londoners would go to. It would be foolish to have a wallet stuck out of your back pocket in any city in the world, including London.

You speak as if it's likely you will be robbed or stabbed on the Underground!


It is. It happed just a fews days ago:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-surrey-46765588
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:37 am

Flightguy123 wrote:
jb1087xna wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
This - and worse - can happen at dozens of destinations TK flies to. Unfortunately, this is the reality in dozens and dozens of countries in the world. They had bad luck, but all ended well in the end.


"All ended well" is relative...when they got robbed and someone was apparently physically assaulted.

My assumption is that DL (the only of the US3 flying to JNB), has relatively strict rules for any layovers internationally.


The DL rules for the layover in JNB are relaxed. More an advisory to not walk around alone at night and to stick to shopping centers or tourist areas during the day in a group.


We’ll see if that changes soon. With the new government in place in SA, and also increased violent crime like this instance, it’s only a matter of time before the Delta crews have some security restrictions, security details, etc. Unfortunate, but necessary in my opinion. SA is no longer the place it used to be. In 10 years I wouldn’t be surprised to see neighboring Namibia take over in terms of tourism/banking/business, etc. Namibia is the nicest country in Africa, imo. People are extremely friendly, laws are fair and just, and government is stable. Time will tell.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:59 am

QueenoftheSkies wrote:
senatorflyer wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
Another failed state, like Mexico in the other thread. Now SAA can make a TV spot about how wonderful and cool Cape Town is.



Where in London do you travel? I travel all the time to London and while definitely not a fan of the city (and certainly one of the unsafest cities in Europe - see knife crime -), you see people everywhere with "expensive mobile telephones", particularly in buses or the subway. Just to start because pretty much everybody in London (including criminals) will have some sort of relatively new iPhone or similar high-end Android phone; so really wearing one doesn't make you a target. Please...


Huh??? London one of the unsafest cities in Europe? You need to get out more in Europe it seems lol


While on a layover in London, myself and 4 colleagues were attacked in London. And they didn’t steal anything, it was just to do it. So yes this happens in London too. The point is, things like this can happen anywhere.....some cities more so than others.


Of course it can happen anywhere. To call London one of the unsafest cities in Europe is simply wrong. I live in London for over 12 years and nothing ever happened to me. Mind you, I’ve been living in some crap areas as well.
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:16 am

About 10 or so years ago, Newark, NJ had one of the highest rates of 'carjackings' in the USA. I presume special precautions were in place to protect crews overnight at EWR then and now. Now carjackings are very rare but Newark and some nearby areas are not so nice for personal safety. Likely as others have noted, the gang in the incident was after the van for their transport or sell for use as a 'township' bus.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:17 am

senatorflyer wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
Another failed state, like Mexico in the other thread. Now SAA can make a TV spot about how wonderful and cool Cape Town is.

peterinlisbon wrote:
In Istanbul, it always surprises me to see people walking around on busy forms of public transport with expensive mobile telephones or their wallets poking out of their back pockets because you certainly wouldn't do that in London (at least, you wouldn't do it twice). In Turkey, crowded places are safe because other people would definitely intervene if they saw anything happen (unlike many places in the world, where other people don't seem to care) but I wonder if this gives Turkish people a false sense of security when they are in busy areas abroad.


Where in London do you travel? I travel all the time to London and while definitely not a fan of the city (and certainly one of the unsafest cities in Europe - see knife crime -), you see people everywhere with "expensive mobile telephones", particularly in buses or the subway. Just to start because pretty much everybody in London (including criminals) will have some sort of relatively new iPhone or similar high-end Android phone; so really wearing one doesn't make you a target. Please...


Huh??? London one of the unsafest cities in Europe? You need to get out more in Europe it seems lol


well, its number 11 of the unsafest cities in europe
and all east europe cities are included in that chart

london is the unsafest western-europe capital by any means
you can find that easily out in the statistiks on the web
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:43 am

asdf wrote:
senatorflyer wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
Another failed state, like Mexico in the other thread. Now SAA can make a TV spot about how wonderful and cool Cape Town is.



Where in London do you travel? I travel all the time to London and while definitely not a fan of the city (and certainly one of the unsafest cities in Europe - see knife crime -), you see people everywhere with "expensive mobile telephones", particularly in buses or the subway. Just to start because pretty much everybody in London (including criminals) will have some sort of relatively new iPhone or similar high-end Android phone; so really wearing one doesn't make you a target. Please...


Huh??? London one of the unsafest cities in Europe? You need to get out more in Europe it seems lol


well, its number 11 of the unsafest cities in europe
and all east europe cities are included in that chart

london is the unsafest western-europe capital by any means
you can find that easily out in the statistiks on the web


Not here it isn’t

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/region_ran ... region=150
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:13 pm

I never imagined Brussels as unsafe. Day 1, I was robbed just a few blocks away from my hotel while I was offering a cigarette to a gentleman on the street. Day 5, my rollaboard luggage was tagged with graffiti while I was walking from the Brussels-Nord Train Station to my hotel; The Hilton at Place Rogier. Days 2, 3, and 4, I spent those days in Viehlsalm (I forget the spelling at this hour) near the Belgian Ardennes, and nothing to report. Anyway, the point is, crime happens everywhere. I blame myself for not being alert. Los Angeles to Belgium for 5 days was too short of a visit, so I blame myself and the jet-lag. But it was enough for me to never want to visit that place again.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:27 pm

Judge1310 wrote:
KingOrGod wrote:
Judge1310 wrote:
Here's that part that gets me about the potential "slant"of this post by the OP: why is the title, necessarily 'South Africa'? It could have been just as easy (and more specific) to say Johannesburg. I say this based on two points:
1) That would be like a crew getting robbed in Los Angeles, Detroit, Miami, etc and saying 'TK crew robbed in America'; such a title is incredibly vague and potentially paints the entire country as culpable
2) OP then goes on to specify, in the *first* line of the post of a crew incident in Beirut. Not Lebanon, but the actual city in which the event occured.

For a moment I was wondering whether this happened in Cape Town, Jo'Burg, Durban... And then to continue in their next post to reference Nigeria as a whole...so are we talking Lagos, Kano, Abuja?

Just be careful with painting an entire country with broad strokes--aviation professionals know better than to act in such a way, that's all.


Wtf? Slant? Have you actually even been there, and I'm not talking cushy 5* hotel visits? Actually living in the prisons we build and call "home"?

I lived 30+ years there, and it's (Johannesburg) is mostly a corrupt criminal cesspit. Anybody with a rolex on and flaunting it along with a mobile in the CBD is just plain stupid - there are scouts everywhere and they might look stupid but they are not. They can arrange robberies real fast. Just got to your local bank and withdraw R100k in cash and see if you make it home alive. I dare you :)

The crew are very lucky to still be breathing. Life has become worthless in SA. I know a family who's father was murdered for his bicycle. I have been robbed at a red light. The bollocks that this can happen in any major city is utter garbage. How often are you held up by a gang with AK47 assault rifles in New York, or London, or Frankfurt? Yes pickpocketing and muggings at knifepoint in London is on the rise. But that's hardly what happened here?


You, unwittingly, have proved *exactly* my initial point when you wrote: "...I lived 30+ years there, and it's (Johannesburg) is mostly a corrupt criminal cesspit..." The title of the post referenced an entire country when it would have been FAR more accurate and objective to have indicated the city in which the unfortunate event occurred.

Yes, I have been to both JNB and CPT and no, I'm also "...not talking cushy 5* hotel visits..." either. Oh and robberies at red lights? Take a look at the local news from Chicago, Illinois, USA and run a search on car-hires/ride-sharing services (Uber, Lyft, etc) being held up at gunpoint in order to have iPhones/Navi stolen. (Just as a specific example)

No one was downplaying the severity of the socioeconomic and societal strife rampant throughout ZA -- that's quite evident in following both objective and anecdotal news from the region.


Wow. You've "been" to CPT and JNB. You must know so much about South Africa. It just warms the cockles of my heart. I was based all over SA during my military and civil careers there. I've seen most corners of the country, and the rape and murder and vicious crime is not limited to JNB - that I can promise you. Please google if you feel the need to educate yourself.

I have not heard of anybody in NYC or London having a bullet put through their head by somebody stealing their bicycle. Please point me to this sort of news, I must not have seen it. I don't know of companies in NYC specialising in anti smash and grab films for vehicle windows. Again, show me that.

As SAAFNAV states, the frikken police stations close before dark as they get robbed. Please don't lecture me about a country you clearly know absolutely nothing about.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:52 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
This really could have happen in any large international city.

Highly unlikely in Europe


I was robbed in Toulouse while on an Airbus course.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:25 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
My Cape Town friends say that while not prefect they do feel safer than when they visit Joburg.


Using murder as a metric, Capetown is the 15th most dangerous city in the world. Jo'burg isn't in the top 50.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:00 pm

ual763 wrote:
SA is no longer the place it used to be. In 10 years I wouldn’t be surprised to see neighboring Namibia take over in terms of tourism/banking/business, etc. Namibia is the nicest country in Africa, imo. People are extremely friendly, laws are fair and just, and government is stable. Time will tell.



It also has a tiny population. It will continue to be nice I suppose, until the illegal migration starts from surrounding countries. Then it will be no different than its neighbors. If banking business $$ come, the economic migrants and opportunists come next and make Namibia, South African again.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:05 pm

AirAfreak wrote:
I never imagined Brussels as unsafe. Day 1, I was robbed just a few blocks away from my hotel while I was offering a cigarette to a gentleman on the street. Day 5, my rollaboard luggage was tagged with graffiti while I was walking from the Brussels-Nord Train Station to my hotel; The Hilton at Place Rogier. Days 2, 3, and 4, I spent those days in Viehlsalm (I forget the spelling at this hour) near the Belgian Ardennes, and nothing to report. Anyway, the point is, crime happens everywhere. I blame myself for not being alert. Los Angeles to Belgium for 5 days was too short of a visit, so I blame myself and the jet-lag. But it was enough for me to never want to visit that place again.


T54A wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
I was robbed in Toulouse while on an Airbus course.



Who robbed you guys in Belgium/France? Give us the description you gave to the police and maybe if compared to public crime statistics we can find a pattern.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:45 pm

All the places I wanna go in africa there are currently problems … :-(

South Africa, Egypt and Kenya … … Crime and terror ...
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:44 pm

silvanus wrote:
Homadreaming86 wrote:
Crime on this level is caused by poverty and inequality. Not by the color of the skin of a person, or how diverse an area is. Be it in Europe or Africa.


Until you present evidence for this claim, it is merely your own religious belief.

There is and was plenty of poverty and inequality in China and East Asia, but those places have always had miniscule violent crime rates. Why don't illiterate impoverished starving Chinese peasants attack foreign airline crews outside PEK or PVG? How does your religion explain that?

You will never understand the world properly until you consider the heretical possibility that there is racially and culturally correlated variation in human behaviour.


Please show me some of these studies and wisdoms that you do have regarding the heretical possibility of ‘racially and culturally correlated variation of human behavior’. Also do not assume I have a religion I’m an atheist. I have common sense and I am not nationalist. Your comments are dangerous, inaccurate and shameful.

You compare the second largest economy on earth to South Africa? How many starving illiterate people do you see in the affluent cities of shanghai and Beijing!? Chances are far fewer people are desperate enough to fall into this kind of crime! Plus there’s plenty of crime and poverty in many parts of US and Europe.

In US you can get robbed or worse shot even in quaint suburban schools, often by white men does that make white men the most dangerous ethnic group in US!?

China has an aggressive approach to how its citizens live and conduct themselves, it’s a country where cameras are installed at times inside people’s homes to monitor their movements. It is a police state and it’s my understanding that there is tremendous level of crime that is under reported so race is not a factor there.


P.s make sure when you quote these wonderful sources their not from the communist manifesto or Nazi ideology or info-wars.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:47 pm

asdf wrote:
senatorflyer wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
Another failed state, like Mexico in the other thread. Now SAA can make a TV spot about how wonderful and cool Cape Town is.



Where in London do you travel? I travel all the time to London and while definitely not a fan of the city (and certainly one of the unsafest cities in Europe - see knife crime -), you see people everywhere with "expensive mobile telephones", particularly in buses or the subway. Just to start because pretty much everybody in London (including criminals) will have some sort of relatively new iPhone or similar high-end Android phone; so really wearing one doesn't make you a target. Please...


Huh??? London one of the unsafest cities in Europe? You need to get out more in Europe it seems lol


well, its number 11 of the unsafest cities in europe
and all east europe cities are included in that chart

london is the unsafest western-europe capital by any means
you can find that easily out in the statistiks on the web



How about you share those ‘statistiks’ ? Why so coy?
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:05 pm

Homadreaming86 wrote:
asdf wrote:
senatorflyer wrote:

Huh??? London one of the unsafest cities in Europe? You need to get out more in Europe it seems lol


well, its number 11 of the unsafest cities in europe
and all east europe cities are included in that chart

london is the unsafest western-europe capital by any means
you can find that easily out in the statistiks on the web



How about you share those ‘statistiks’ ? Why so coy?


Because he made this up lol
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:27 pm

KingOrGod wrote:

I have not heard of anybody in NYC or London having a bullet put through their head by somebody stealing their bicycle. Please point me to this sort of news, I must not have seen it. I don't know of companies in NYC specialising in anti smash and grab films for vehicle windows. Again, show me that.

As SAAFNAV states, the frikken police stations close before dark as they get robbed. Please don't lecture me about a country you clearly know absolutely nothing about.


Those things can and do happen in Western cities and you can find them in the news. In fact, it is generally big news because it does not happen often and people value life. We only heard about this one because it was an airline crew, otherwise it was a non-event in SA. Anybody trying to equate NYC, London or any other Western culture to what has been happening in SA for years is just trying to deflect attention because it does not fit the desired perception.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:46 pm

So is this level of crime in South Africa constantly on the rise?
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:56 pm

Mortyman wrote:
All the places I wanna go in africa there are currently problems … :-(

South Africa, Egypt and Kenya … … Crime and terror ...


Go to Namibia! Lots of Norwegian nurses in the hospitals of Windhoek too! ;)
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:15 pm

senatorflyer wrote:
Homadreaming86 wrote:
asdf wrote:

well, its number 11 of the unsafest cities in europe
and all east europe cities are included in that chart

london is the unsafest western-europe capital by any means
you can find that easily out in the statistiks on the web



How about you share those ‘statistiks’ ? Why so coy?


Because he made this up lol


No, he's just reading The Independent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 95511.html
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:32 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
My Cape Town friends say that while not prefect they do feel safer than when they visit Joburg.


Using murder as a metric, Capetown is the 15th most dangerous city in the world. Jo'burg isn't in the top 50.


True but I believe in Cape Town violent crime (murder, specifically) is localized to areas most toursits wouldn't be visiting anyway.

Joburg has it where it intersects more with places a tourist or businessperson would visit.

Statistics like these can be misleading. Chicago is right up there with the highest murder rate of major cities. If you stay out of the areas you should stay out of, you will enjoy one of America's nicest cities.
Very similar, in my experience (5 times) with Cape Town.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:41 pm

WildcatYXU wrote:
senatorflyer wrote:
Homadreaming86 wrote:


How about you share those ‘statistiks’ ? Why so coy?


Because he made this up lol


No, he's just reading The Independent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 95511.html


Let’s trust a consulting firm rather then the crime statistics.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:25 pm

mham001 wrote:
KingOrGod wrote:

I have not heard of anybody in NYC or London having a bullet put through their head by somebody stealing their bicycle. Please point me to this sort of news, I must not have seen it. I don't know of companies in NYC specialising in anti smash and grab films for vehicle windows. Again, show me that.

As SAAFNAV states, the frikken police stations close before dark as they get robbed. Please don't lecture me about a country you clearly know absolutely nothing about.


Those things can and do happen in Western cities and you can find them in the news. In fact, it is generally big news because it does not happen often and people value life. We only heard about this one because it was an airline crew, otherwise it was a non-event in SA. Anybody trying to equate NYC, London or any other Western culture to what has been happening in SA for years is just trying to deflect attention because it does not fit the desired perception.


I generally keep up with global goings on, and I must admit I have not seen anybody having their brains blown out in NYC or London over a bicycle or mobile phone or a fifty buck note. Yes stabbings in London are at an all time high, but rape and gun grime is still pretty low in comparison.

You are right, this is an everyday event in South Africa and was only highlighted because the TK embassy made a noise about it. Rape and murder are also a normal way of life in SA.

You are also right that they are trying to cast their own slant and playing down what us South Africans have grown used to. *We* play it down, not because it is not that bad. Not because it is not going to go away - but in a twisted way the only way to cope is through denial - that it won't happen to me or my family. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen in the first place. So we build ourselves prisons (our home) and lock ourselves in and have burglar bars on every door and window and try to keep the pilfering raping murderist population at arms length. Sleeping with a loaded gun under our pillow at night. Sounds rather dramatic, but until you've actually lived this way, you cannot even begin comprehend it. (And this is what ires me so much about the "I've been to JNB and CPT brigade"). You never know if you will see your wife or children alive again because the possibility of being hijacked, raped and shot dead or hacked to bits with a macheti outside your front gate is very very real regardless the time of day.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:43 pm

Blerg wrote:
There is no slant here, you are just looking for a cause to launch a Crusade against... were they not in South Africa when this happened? Yes, they were so the title is highly appropriate. There is no doubt that South Africa is becoming increasingly unsafe, especially if you are white.


I'm white and visited PLZ and CPT last year, and was fine. We had a close call and came across a stabbing in a strip mall parking lot in PLZ, but host admitted we shouldn't have been fetching dinner after dark. Taking the necessary precautions, I didn't find it much different than bad parts of big cities in the US. Private security patrols, defenses for homes and every business and theftable item imaginable, spike strips on roofs, electric fencing - all present in US ghettoes as well.

I would rather argue SA has been incredibly unsafe for decades if one is coloured or black as they comprise the huge majority of victims.
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:47 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
There is no slant here, you are just looking for a cause to launch a Crusade against... were they not in South Africa when this happened? Yes, they were so the title is highly appropriate. There is no doubt that South Africa is becoming increasingly unsafe, especially if you are white.


I'm white and visited PLZ and CPT last year, and was fine. We had a close call and came across a stabbing in a strip mall parking lot in PLZ, but host admitted we shouldn't have been fetching dinner after dark. Taking the necessary precautions, I didn't find it much different than bad parts of big cities in the US. Private security patrols, defenses for every business and theftable item imaginable, electric fencing - all present in US ghettoes as well.

I would rather argue SA has been incredibly unsafe for decades if one is coloured or black.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:05 am

Flaps wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
This really could have happen in any large international city.

Highly unlikely in Europe

Highly unlikely in Canada, the US or most of Asia for that matter either.

Forget highly unlikely; almost impossible that this will happen in Japan or Singapore.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:19 am

I think few months ago, SQ was also robbed. Was it at Joburg or Cape Town I have forgotten.

The topic reminds me of D7 crew when few years ago when they were based in CCS covering flight for Conviasa. The cabin crew, pilot and technicians went out in group with armed security guard in tow, with machine guns!! Needless saying after the contract expired, D7 weren't keen to extend at all.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:04 am

Unrelated, but the amount of racism in this thread and forum makes me think twice about going into the aviation industry as a man of color.
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:04 am

I wonder if people in SA have tried making bait houses where robbers get attacked and trapped?

Homadreaming86 wrote:
In US you can get robbed or worse shot even in quaint suburban schools, often by white men does that make white men the most dangerous ethnic group in US!?


Unless it's the "bullies taking lunch money" scheme, I haven't heard of robberies inside US suburban schools.

Spree shootings are publicized but are rare.
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:05 am

speedbird52 wrote:
Unrelated, but the amount of racism in this thread and forum makes me think twice about going into the aviation industry as a man of color.


How exactly is anyone being racist if they are stating facts?
 
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Re: TK crew robbed in South Africa

Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:24 am

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