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RJNUT wrote:Makes me sad,as I had worked in that airport in early 80's and LOVED it. It always had a big city feel to it!
MEMPHIS, TENN. (January 30, 2019) – Memphis International Airport (MEM) continued its strong growth trends in 2018, posting significant increases in passenger and cargo traffic compared to 2017. More than 4.4 million passengers passed through MEM in 2018, an increase of more than 200,000 from 2017. 2018 marks the fourth straight year of increased passengers.
The number of passenger flights increased from 25,806 in 2017 to 26,624 in 2018, an increase of 3.2%. In addition, the number of seats available to MEM passengers increased by 3.4% from 2,689,914 to 2,781,380.
N292UX wrote:I have a few predictions (some bolder than others) that I think could happen at MEM in the next maybe 5ish years.
-AA starts MEM-LAX. This one isn't that bold, as LAX is the only hub at MEM not served by AA (I'm not counting JFK as heavily since they do fly to LGA, and it can debated whether JFK is truly a "hub"). I could see this happening in the next few years, maybe as early as 2020.
-DL adds MEM-IND. FedEx has wanted the return of a commercial route between MEM and IND. I would say AA would've been the better option considering they're the largest carrier at MEM, and also have a strong operation at IND. However, AA has no interest in running any p2p flights, so that won't happen. DL will get some sort of a deal that will help them run MEM-IND.
-UA adds MEM-IAD. This is probably the most likely prediction here. MEM is a big hole in UA's IAD network, and their only competition would be AA from DCA. There are other much smaller markets in which AA and UA both serve from DCA/IAD, so MEM should work unless UA screws it up. Maybe 2x daily with a either a CRJ-200/E145 and the other on an E175. I think this one will come very soon, maybe with an announcement coming this year.
-DL resumes MEM-SLC. I was kinda surprised DL dropped this route even after they de-hubbed MEM. It seems like it should be able to work if places like SLC-CLE/CMH/PIT work. I can see this one happening in 2020.
-AS enters MEM with MEM-SEA. SEA is a big hole not served from MEM. I would say DL could jump on it, but I think MEM would do more to lure new metal like AS to MEM instead. I could see this in the next few years.
-NK eventually enters MEM. Probably to FLL/MCO and maybe TPA to start. If that goes well, then I'd say they could look at LAS/RSW/ORD/LAX. BWI, DTW and IAH are possibilities, but we'd have to see. Maybe an announcement in 2020?
-AC adds another frequency on YYZ-MEM. This route has been doing great for AC so far. They've even up gauged it from CRJs to E175s.
-F9 adds a few dartboard routes from MEM. This one is another prediction I think is very likely to happen. Expect places like SAT/RSW/CLE/BUF/JAX to be possible candidates. It's just so hard to predict what routes F9 will launch since they've been all over the place in the past.
-AA adds more mainline to MEM. They just added some mainline (A319) on MEM-PHL, and there may be some more to come. I think they'll eventually add mainline back on MEM-PHX. If they start MEM-LAX, there'd be that, too. ORD is possible too, but we'll see. If AA doesn't add mainline on MEM-ORD, I think UA eventually will.
-WN stays roughly the same. I don't they'll add or drop much from MEM in the next few years. Maybe a few frequency chances, but that'll probably be it. If they were to start some new routes, I'd probably say FLL, LAS, and OAK are the three most likely candidates.
-UA most likely does NOT add MEM-SFO. I think there will be some chatter about this happening, and I think it could work, but I just don't think UA will do it. The Bay Area is definitely underserved from MEM, but I'm thinking that G4, WN if they want to grow from MEM, and AS if they enter the market, and are profitable. The Bay Area market will see better coverage from MEM in the next few years, but it most likely won't be due to UA.
-Someone adds MEM-BOS. I'm thinking DL would be the most likely candidate to add this route. If not DL, it would probably be B6, but I don't think they will be entering MEM in the near future, at least. There's more than enough PDEW to support this route, so I'd say DL does with with either an E170/5 or CRJ-900.
-If Moxy does launch as planned, the do serve MEM. I'm not sure to what level or where to, but I do believe they will be at MEM.
Now for the boldest prediction:
-BA launches LHR-MEM. By launching LHR-CHS, BA has shown they're willing to enter medium-sized US markets that have a decent tourism pull. MEM has a pretty strong tourism pull (arguably stronger than CHS), so I think MEM could quietly be one of BA's next US routes. It'd be less than daily and probably on the 787-8, but I think it's a real possibility. I honestly see it coming before places like MSP/STL/CLE/CMH. DTW will probably come before MEM (congrats DTW fanboys), but I think MEM could be on BA's radar a little more than we think. I think they do it is CHS works out for them.
WaywardMemphian wrote:N292UX wrote:I have a few predictions (some bolder than others) that I think could happen at MEM in the next maybe 5ish years.
-AA starts MEM-LAX. This one isn't that bold, as LAX is the only hub at MEM not served by AA (I'm not counting JFK as heavily since they do fly to LGA, and it can debated whether JFK is truly a "hub"). I could see this happening in the next few years, maybe as early as 2020.
-DL adds MEM-IND. FedEx has wanted the return of a commercial route between MEM and IND. I would say AA would've been the better option considering they're the largest carrier at MEM, and also have a strong operation at IND. However, AA has no interest in running any p2p flights, so that won't happen. DL will get some sort of a deal that will help them run MEM-IND.
-UA adds MEM-IAD. This is probably the most likely prediction here. MEM is a big hole in UA's IAD network, and their only competition would be AA from DCA. There are other much smaller markets in which AA and UA both serve from DCA/IAD, so MEM should work unless UA screws it up. Maybe 2x daily with a either a CRJ-200/E145 and the other on an E175. I think this one will come very soon, maybe with an announcement coming this year.
-DL resumes MEM-SLC. I was kinda surprised DL dropped this route even after they de-hubbed MEM. It seems like it should be able to work if places like SLC-CLE/CMH/PIT work. I can see this one happening in 2020.
-AS enters MEM with MEM-SEA. SEA is a big hole not served from MEM. I would say DL could jump on it, but I think MEM would do more to lure new metal like AS to MEM instead. I could see this in the next few years.
-NK eventually enters MEM. Probably to FLL/MCO and maybe TPA to start. If that goes well, then I'd say they could look at LAS/RSW/ORD/LAX. BWI, DTW and IAH are possibilities, but we'd have to see. Maybe an announcement in 2020?
-AC adds another frequency on YYZ-MEM. This route has been doing great for AC so far. They've even up gauged it from CRJs to E175s.
-F9 adds a few dartboard routes from MEM. This one is another prediction I think is very likely to happen. Expect places like SAT/RSW/CLE/BUF/JAX to be possible candidates. It's just so hard to predict what routes F9 will launch since they've been all over the place in the past.
-AA adds more mainline to MEM. They just added some mainline (A319) on MEM-PHL, and there may be some more to come. I think they'll eventually add mainline back on MEM-PHX. If they start MEM-LAX, there'd be that, too. ORD is possible too, but we'll see. If AA doesn't add mainline on MEM-ORD, I think UA eventually will.
-WN stays roughly the same. I don't they'll add or drop much from MEM in the next few years. Maybe a few frequency chances, but that'll probably be it. If they were to start some new routes, I'd probably say FLL, LAS, and OAK are the three most likely candidates.
-UA most likely does NOT add MEM-SFO. I think there will be some chatter about this happening, and I think it could work, but I just don't think UA will do it. The Bay Area is definitely underserved from MEM, but I'm thinking that G4, WN if they want to grow from MEM, and AS if they enter the market, and are profitable. The Bay Area market will see better coverage from MEM in the next few years, but it most likely won't be due to UA.
-Someone adds MEM-BOS. I'm thinking DL would be the most likely candidate to add this route. If not DL, it would probably be B6, but I don't think they will be entering MEM in the near future, at least. There's more than enough PDEW to support this route, so I'd say DL does with with either an E170/5 or CRJ-900.
-If Moxy does launch as planned, the do serve MEM. I'm not sure to what level or where to, but I do believe they will be at MEM.
Now for the boldest prediction:
-BA launches LHR-MEM. By launching LHR-CHS, BA has shown they're willing to enter medium-sized US markets that have a decent tourism pull. MEM has a pretty strong tourism pull (arguably stronger than CHS), so I think MEM could quietly be one of BA's next US routes. It'd be less than daily and probably on the 787-8, but I think it's a real possibility. I honestly see it coming before places like MSP/STL/CLE/CMH. DTW will probably come before MEM (congrats DTW fanboys), but I think MEM could be on BA's radar a little more than we think. I think they do it is CHS works out for them.
That was all over the place.
MEM wants BOS more than anything, it is compounded with the recently announced HQ announcement of an Agri business for downtown Memphis.
There's this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rowth-pace
I don't think AC adds another flight, they'll just upgauge
Frontier isn't throwing as many darts lately as they did last year.
I could see United adding IAD eventually
I can see Alligiant adding MSY for a go.
Has it been established for whom the new large hanger that is planned is for?
Delta isn't adding Indy nor RDU, maybe Boston but they are hell bent on sending everyone through ATL.
No BA, maybe Aer Lingus but likely nothing.
N292UX wrote:WaywardMemphian wrote:N292UX wrote:I have a few predictions (some bolder than others) that I think could happen at MEM in the next maybe 5ish years.
-AA starts MEM-LAX. This one isn't that bold, as LAX is the only hub at MEM not served by AA (I'm not counting JFK as heavily since they do fly to LGA, and it can debated whether JFK is truly a "hub"). I could see this happening in the next few years, maybe as early as 2020.
-DL adds MEM-IND. FedEx has wanted the return of a commercial route between MEM and IND. I would say AA would've been the better option considering they're the largest carrier at MEM, and also have a strong operation at IND. However, AA has no interest in running any p2p flights, so that won't happen. DL will get some sort of a deal that will help them run MEM-IND.
-UA adds MEM-IAD. This is probably the most likely prediction here. MEM is a big hole in UA's IAD network, and their only competition would be AA from DCA. There are other much smaller markets in which AA and UA both serve from DCA/IAD, so MEM should work unless UA screws it up. Maybe 2x daily with a either a CRJ-200/E145 and the other on an E175. I think this one will come very soon, maybe with an announcement coming this year.
-DL resumes MEM-SLC. I was kinda surprised DL dropped this route even after they de-hubbed MEM. It seems like it should be able to work if places like SLC-CLE/CMH/PIT work. I can see this one happening in 2020.
-AS enters MEM with MEM-SEA. SEA is a big hole not served from MEM. I would say DL could jump on it, but I think MEM would do more to lure new metal like AS to MEM instead. I could see this in the next few years.
-NK eventually enters MEM. Probably to FLL/MCO and maybe TPA to start. If that goes well, then I'd say they could look at LAS/RSW/ORD/LAX. BWI, DTW and IAH are possibilities, but we'd have to see. Maybe an announcement in 2020?
-AC adds another frequency on YYZ-MEM. This route has been doing great for AC so far. They've even up gauged it from CRJs to E175s.
-F9 adds a few dartboard routes from MEM. This one is another prediction I think is very likely to happen. Expect places like SAT/RSW/CLE/BUF/JAX to be possible candidates. It's just so hard to predict what routes F9 will launch since they've been all over the place in the past.
-AA adds more mainline to MEM. They just added some mainline (A319) on MEM-PHL, and there may be some more to come. I think they'll eventually add mainline back on MEM-PHX. If they start MEM-LAX, there'd be that, too. ORD is possible too, but we'll see. If AA doesn't add mainline on MEM-ORD, I think UA eventually will.
-WN stays roughly the same. I don't they'll add or drop much from MEM in the next few years. Maybe a few frequency chances, but that'll probably be it. If they were to start some new routes, I'd probably say FLL, LAS, and OAK are the three most likely candidates.
-UA most likely does NOT add MEM-SFO. I think there will be some chatter about this happening, and I think it could work, but I just don't think UA will do it. The Bay Area is definitely underserved from MEM, but I'm thinking that G4, WN if they want to grow from MEM, and AS if they enter the market, and are profitable. The Bay Area market will see better coverage from MEM in the next few years, but it most likely won't be due to UA.
-Someone adds MEM-BOS. I'm thinking DL would be the most likely candidate to add this route. If not DL, it would probably be B6, but I don't think they will be entering MEM in the near future, at least. There's more than enough PDEW to support this route, so I'd say DL does with with either an E170/5 or CRJ-900.
-If Moxy does launch as planned, the do serve MEM. I'm not sure to what level or where to, but I do believe they will be at MEM.
Now for the boldest prediction:
-BA launches LHR-MEM. By launching LHR-CHS, BA has shown they're willing to enter medium-sized US markets that have a decent tourism pull. MEM has a pretty strong tourism pull (arguably stronger than CHS), so I think MEM could quietly be one of BA's next US routes. It'd be less than daily and probably on the 787-8, but I think it's a real possibility. I honestly see it coming before places like MSP/STL/CLE/CMH. DTW will probably come before MEM (congrats DTW fanboys), but I think MEM could be on BA's radar a little more than we think. I think they do it is CHS works out for them.
That was all over the place.
MEM wants BOS more than anything, it is compounded with the recently announced HQ announcement of an Agri business for downtown Memphis.
There's this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rowth-pace
I don't think AC adds another flight, they'll just upgauge
Frontier isn't throwing as many darts lately as they did last year.
I could see United adding IAD eventually
I can see Alligiant adding MSY for a go.
Has it been established for whom the new large hanger that is planned is for?
Delta isn't adding Indy nor RDU, maybe Boston but they are hell bent on sending everyone through ATL.
No BA, maybe Aer Lingus but likely nothing.
How many A321LRs does Aer Lingus have on order? Can those reach MEM from DUB?
WaywardMemphian wrote:N292UX wrote:WaywardMemphian wrote:
That was all over the place.
MEM wants BOS more than anything, it is compounded with the recently announced HQ announcement of an Agri business for downtown Memphis.
There's this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rowth-pace
I don't think AC adds another flight, they'll just upgauge
Frontier isn't throwing as many darts lately as they did last year.
I could see United adding IAD eventually
I can see Alligiant adding MSY for a go.
Has it been established for whom the new large hanger that is planned is for?
Delta isn't adding Indy nor RDU, maybe Boston but they are hell bent on sending everyone through ATL.
No BA, maybe Aer Lingus but likely nothing.
How many A321LRs does Aer Lingus have on order? Can those reach MEM from DUB?
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MEM-DUB%0D ... =wls&DU=nm
Maybe, maybe not
This kinda of route is in the wheelhouse of theoritical A321 XLR and Boeing 797
N292UX wrote:WaywardMemphian wrote:N292UX wrote:How many A321LRs does Aer Lingus have on order? Can those reach MEM from DUB?
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MEM-DUB%0D ... =wls&DU=nm
Maybe, maybe not
This kinda of route is in the wheelhouse of theoritical A321 XLR and Boeing 797
They probably could with a light restriction on the flight. Someone trying it with the 797 later on may be the most likely option.
N292UX wrote:I have a few predictions (some bolder than others) that I think could happen at MEM in the next maybe 5ish years.
-AA starts MEM-LAX. This one isn't that bold, as LAX is the only hub at MEM not served by AA (I'm not counting JFK as heavily since they do fly to LGA, and it can debated whether JFK is truly a "hub"). I could see this happening in the next few years, maybe as early as 2020.
-DL adds MEM-IND. FedEx has wanted the return of a commercial route between MEM and IND. I would say AA would've been the better option considering they're the largest carrier at MEM, and also have a strong operation at IND. However, AA has no interest in running any p2p flights, so that won't happen. DL will get some sort of a deal that will help them run MEM-IND.
-UA adds MEM-IAD. This is probably the most likely prediction here. MEM is a big hole in UA's IAD network, and their only competition would be AA from DCA. There are other much smaller markets in which AA and UA both serve from DCA/IAD, so MEM should work unless UA screws it up. Maybe 2x daily with a either a CRJ-200/E145 and the other on an E175. I think this one will come very soon, maybe with an announcement coming this year.
-DL resumes MEM-SLC. I was kinda surprised DL dropped this route even after they de-hubbed MEM. It seems like it should be able to work if places like SLC-CLE/CMH/PIT work. I can see this one happening in 2020.
-AS enters MEM with MEM-SEA. SEA is a big hole not served from MEM. I would say DL could jump on it, but I think MEM would do more to lure new metal like AS to MEM instead. I could see this in the next few years.
-NK eventually enters MEM. Probably to FLL/MCO and maybe TPA to start. If that goes well, then I'd say they could look at LAS/RSW/ORD/LAX. BWI, DTW and IAH are possibilities, but we'd have to see. Maybe an announcement in 2020?
-AC adds another frequency on YYZ-MEM. This route has been doing great for AC so far. They've even up gauged it from CRJs to E175s.
-F9 adds a few dartboard routes from MEM. This one is another prediction I think is very likely to happen. Expect places like SAT/RSW/CLE/BUF/JAX to be possible candidates. It's just so hard to predict what routes F9 will launch since they've been all over the place in the past.
-AA adds more mainline to MEM. They just added some mainline (A319) on MEM-PHL, and there may be some more to come. I think they'll eventually add mainline back on MEM-PHX. If they start MEM-LAX, there'd be that, too. ORD is possible too, but we'll see. If AA doesn't add mainline on MEM-ORD, I think UA eventually will.
-WN stays roughly the same. I don't they'll add or drop much from MEM in the next few years. Maybe a few frequency chances, but that'll probably be it. If they were to start some new routes, I'd probably say FLL, LAS, and OAK are the three most likely candidates.
-UA most likely does NOT add MEM-SFO. I think there will be some chatter about this happening, and I think it could work, but I just don't think UA will do it. The Bay Area is definitely underserved from MEM, but I'm thinking that G4, WN if they want to grow from MEM, and AS if they enter the market, and are profitable. The Bay Area market will see better coverage from MEM in the next few years, but it most likely won't be due to UA.
-Someone adds MEM-BOS. I'm thinking DL would be the most likely candidate to add this route. If not DL, it would probably be B6, but I don't think they will be entering MEM in the near future, at least. There's more than enough PDEW to support this route, so I'd say DL does with with either an E170/5 or CRJ-900.
-If Moxy does launch as planned, the do serve MEM. I'm not sure to what level or where to, but I do believe they will be at MEM.
Now for the boldest prediction:
-BA launches LHR-MEM. By launching LHR-CHS, BA has shown they're willing to enter medium-sized US markets that have a decent tourism pull. MEM has a pretty strong tourism pull (arguably stronger than CHS), so I think MEM could quietly be one of BA's next US routes. It'd be less than daily and probably on the 787-8, but I think it's a real possibility. I honestly see it coming before places like MSP/STL/CLE/CMH. DTW will probably come before MEM (congrats DTW fanboys), but I think MEM could be on BA's radar a little more than we think. I think they do it is CHS works out for them.
TTailedTiger wrote:I agree that IAD-MEM is a glaring hole in the network. The city wants MEM-CVG back as well. The flight from an ~80% load factor to ~25% load factor when Delta changed the timings. It seems they did it on purpose.
pmanni1 wrote:N292UX wrote:I have a few predictions (some bolder than others) that I think could happen at MEM in the next maybe 5ish years.
-AA starts MEM-LAX. This one isn't that bold, as LAX is the only hub at MEM not served by AA (I'm not counting JFK as heavily since they do fly to LGA, and it can debated whether JFK is truly a "hub"). I could see this happening in the next few years, maybe as early as 2020.
-DL adds MEM-IND. FedEx has wanted the return of a commercial route between MEM and IND. I would say AA would've been the better option considering they're the largest carrier at MEM, and also have a strong operation at IND. However, AA has no interest in running any p2p flights, so that won't happen. DL will get some sort of a deal that will help them run MEM-IND.
-UA adds MEM-IAD. This is probably the most likely prediction here. MEM is a big hole in UA's IAD network, and their only competition would be AA from DCA. There are other much smaller markets in which AA and UA both serve from DCA/IAD, so MEM should work unless UA screws it up. Maybe 2x daily with a either a CRJ-200/E145 and the other on an E175. I think this one will come very soon, maybe with an announcement coming this year.
-DL resumes MEM-SLC. I was kinda surprised DL dropped this route even after they de-hubbed MEM. It seems like it should be able to work if places like SLC-CLE/CMH/PIT work. I can see this one happening in 2020.
-AS enters MEM with MEM-SEA. SEA is a big hole not served from MEM. I would say DL could jump on it, but I think MEM would do more to lure new metal like AS to MEM instead. I could see this in the next few years.
-NK eventually enters MEM. Probably to FLL/MCO and maybe TPA to start. If that goes well, then I'd say they could look at LAS/RSW/ORD/LAX. BWI, DTW and IAH are possibilities, but we'd have to see. Maybe an announcement in 2020?
-AC adds another frequency on YYZ-MEM. This route has been doing great for AC so far. They've even up gauged it from CRJs to E175s.
-F9 adds a few dartboard routes from MEM. This one is another prediction I think is very likely to happen. Expect places like SAT/RSW/CLE/BUF/JAX to be possible candidates. It's just so hard to predict what routes F9 will launch since they've been all over the place in the past.
-AA adds more mainline to MEM. They just added some mainline (A319) on MEM-PHL, and there may be some more to come. I think they'll eventually add mainline back on MEM-PHX. If they start MEM-LAX, there'd be that, too. ORD is possible too, but we'll see. If AA doesn't add mainline on MEM-ORD, I think UA eventually will.
-WN stays roughly the same. I don't they'll add or drop much from MEM in the next few years. Maybe a few frequency chances, but that'll probably be it. If they were to start some new routes, I'd probably say FLL, LAS, and OAK are the three most likely candidates.
-UA most likely does NOT add MEM-SFO. I think there will be some chatter about this happening, and I think it could work, but I just don't think UA will do it. The Bay Area is definitely underserved from MEM, but I'm thinking that G4, WN if they want to grow from MEM, and AS if they enter the market, and are profitable. The Bay Area market will see better coverage from MEM in the next few years, but it most likely won't be due to UA.
-Someone adds MEM-BOS. I'm thinking DL would be the most likely candidate to add this route. If not DL, it would probably be B6, but I don't think they will be entering MEM in the near future, at least. There's more than enough PDEW to support this route, so I'd say DL does with with either an E170/5 or CRJ-900.
-If Moxy does launch as planned, the do serve MEM. I'm not sure to what level or where to, but I do believe they will be at MEM.
Now for the boldest prediction:
-BA launches LHR-MEM. By launching LHR-CHS, BA has shown they're willing to enter medium-sized US markets that have a decent tourism pull. MEM has a pretty strong tourism pull (arguably stronger than CHS), so I think MEM could quietly be one of BA's next US routes. It'd be less than daily and probably on the 787-8, but I think it's a real possibility. I honestly see it coming before places like MSP/STL/CLE/CMH. DTW will probably come before MEM (congrats DTW fanboys), but I think MEM could be on BA's radar a little more than we think. I think they do it is CHS works out for them.
I would've thought MEM had more than 4.4 million passengers. I didn't realize how far it had fallen since DL downsized. That on top of a 3% growth rate - I can't imagine hardly any of these possible flights coming to fruition. Probably lucky to hold onto what they've got.
N292UX wrote:-WN stays roughly the same. I don't they'll add or drop much from MEM in the next few years. Maybe a few frequency chances, but that'll probably be it. If they were to start some new routes, I'd probably say FLL, LAS, and OAK are the three most likely candidates.
N292UX wrote:-UA most likely does NOT add MEM-SFO. I think there will be some chatter about this happening, and I think it could work, but I just don't think UA will do it. The Bay Area is definitely underserved from MEM, but I'm thinking that G4, WN if they want to grow from MEM, and AS if they enter the market, and are profitable. The Bay Area market will see better coverage from MEM in the next few years, but it most likely won't be due to UA.
jplatts wrote:N292UX wrote:-WN stays roughly the same. I don't they'll add or drop much from MEM in the next few years. Maybe a few frequency chances, but that'll probably be it. If they were to start some new routes, I'd probably say FLL, LAS, and OAK are the three most likely candidates.
I agree that WN adding MEM-FLL and MEM-LAS are likely candidates. WN could also add MEM-MCI nonstop service once the new terminal is completed at MEM. MEM-PHX nonstop service could also be added by WN in order to better compete against AA in the PHX market and in order to improve access to the West Coast and Greater Phoenix from MEM.N292UX wrote:-UA most likely does NOT add MEM-SFO. I think there will be some chatter about this happening, and I think it could work, but I just don't think UA will do it. The Bay Area is definitely underserved from MEM, but I'm thinking that G4, WN if they want to grow from MEM, and AS if they enter the market, and are profitable. The Bay Area market will see better coverage from MEM in the next few years, but it most likely won't be due to UA.
I think that UA adding MEM-SFO might happen at some point since UA has already added new nonstop routes out of SFO such as SFO-CVG, SFO-CMH, SFO-DTW, and SFO-MSN during the last 2 years and since MEM is one of the top destinations traveled to from the San Francisco Bay Area that isn't currently served nonstop from SFO, OAK, or SJC.
IAHWorldflyer wrote:I think UA will add IAD-MEM at some point in the next 18 months. There are more A320 family planes coming on line this year, which means that some routes that are E175 now, will get up gauged. I could see them using an E175 to IAD with a Dulles arrival of 16:00 or so to connect to the trans-Atlantic bank. Then a return that leaves Dulles around 17:45, arriving MEM at 19:00, and using it as the last departure of the day to either ORD or IAH.
What's the business case for BOS? Boston is primarily finance and tech. Memphis doesn't have lots of either industry. Is there a Boston based company that has a major facility in Memphis?
southwest1675 wrote:Doubt it will happen, but I think WN adding BNA-MEM would be neat. If the times worked, and was priced right, I bet it could get some business folks to ditch their cars. It’s main purpose would be feeding connecting traffic though. The word on the street is that Nashville will be taking some stress off MDW, and some WN ATL service will be shifted to BNA. Not sure what the plans for STL are.
WaywardMemphian wrote:southwest1675 wrote:Doubt it will happen, but I think WN adding BNA-MEM would be neat. If the times worked, and was priced right, I bet it could get some business folks to ditch their cars. It’s main purpose would be feeding connecting traffic though. The word on the street is that Nashville will be taking some stress off MDW, and some WN ATL service will be shifted to BNA. Not sure what the plans for STL are.
All things being equal, I'd rather have MSY or STL.
pmanni1 wrote:LIT is a smaller airport and has WN to STL. Why couldn't MEM? Seems entirely possible.
pmanni1 wrote:LIT is a smaller airport and has WN to STL. Why couldn't MEM? Seems entirely possible.
WaywardMemphian wrote:There is still room for improvement though, My Brother and his family of 4 drove to Nashville to fly Southwest to New York City for spring breaks as it saved over $1,000 even with a hotel in Nashville for a night and parking for a week. There is still lots of traffic bleed. I have thought and continue to think Jet Blue would do well on JFK and BOS from Memphis especially if they make the TATL jump.
N292UX wrote:-DL adds MEM-IND. FedEx has wanted the return of a commercial route between MEM and IND. I would say AA would've been the better option considering they're the largest carrier at MEM, and also have a strong operation at IND. However, AA has no interest in running any p2p flights, so that won't happen. DL will get some sort of a deal that will help them run MEM-IND.
N292UX wrote:-AA starts MEM-LAX. This one isn't that bold, as LAX is the only hub at MEM not served by AA (I'm not counting JFK as heavily since they do fly to LGA, and it can debated whether JFK is truly a "hub"). I could see this happening in the next few years, maybe as early as 2020.
-UA adds MEM-IAD. This is probably the most likely prediction here. MEM is a big hole in UA's IAD network, and their only competition would be AA from DCA. There are other much smaller markets in which AA and UA both serve from DCA/IAD, so MEM should work unless UA screws it up. Maybe 2x daily with a either a CRJ-200/E145 and the other on an E175. I think this one will come very soon, maybe with an announcement coming this year.
-Someone adds MEM-BOS. I'm thinking DL would be the most likely candidate to add this route. If not DL, it would probably be B6, but I don't think they will be entering MEM in the near future, at least. There's more than enough PDEW to support this route, so I'd say DL does with with either an E170/5 or CRJ-900.
N292UX wrote:-BA launches LHR-MEM. By launching LHR-CHS, BA has shown they're willing to enter medium-sized US markets that have a decent tourism pull. MEM has a pretty strong tourism pull (arguably stronger than CHS), so I think MEM could quietly be one of BA's next US routes. It'd be less than daily and probably on the 787-8, but I think it's a real possibility. I honestly see it coming before places like MSP/STL/CLE/CMH. DTW will probably come before MEM (congrats DTW fanboys), but I think MEM could be on BA's radar a little more than we think. I think they do it is CHS works out for them.
jplatts wrote:WaywardMemphian wrote:There is still room for improvement though, My Brother and his family of 4 drove to Nashville to fly Southwest to New York City for spring breaks as it saved over $1,000 even with a hotel in Nashville for a night and parking for a week. There is still lots of traffic bleed. I have thought and continue to think Jet Blue would do well on JFK and BOS from Memphis especially if they make the TATL jump.
WN already offers connections to both LGA and EWR from MEM through MDW, and the nonstop from MEM to MDW is only approximately 1 hour 40 minutes whereas BNA is more than a 3-hour drive from Greater Memphis. There are likely many travelers in the Greater Memphis market who would prefer connecting to LGA or EWR through MDW on WN instead of driving to BNA.
If I were traveling to NYC from Memphis on WN, I would probably connect through MDW on WN instead of driving to BNA. While I agree that there is some leakage to BNA from MEM, there are many travelers in Memphis who would choose connecting options through BWI, MDW, DAL, DEN, or MCO over driving to BNA with BNA being more than a 3-hour drive from Greater Memphis.
Are the WN BNA-LGA nonstop flights cheaper than connecting to LGA from MEM through MDW on WN?
WaywardMemphian wrote:jplatts wrote:WaywardMemphian wrote:There is still room for improvement though, My Brother and his family of 4 drove to Nashville to fly Southwest to New York City for spring breaks as it saved over $1,000 even with a hotel in Nashville for a night and parking for a week. There is still lots of traffic bleed. I have thought and continue to think Jet Blue would do well on JFK and BOS from Memphis especially if they make the TATL jump.
WN already offers connections to both LGA and EWR from MEM through MDW, and the nonstop from MEM to MDW is only approximately 1 hour 40 minutes whereas BNA is more than a 3-hour drive from Greater Memphis. There are likely many travelers in the Greater Memphis market who would prefer connecting to LGA or EWR through MDW on WN instead of driving to BNA.
If I were traveling to NYC from Memphis on WN, I would probably connect through MDW on WN instead of driving to BNA. While I agree that there is some leakage to BNA from MEM, there are many travelers in Memphis who would choose connecting options through BWI, MDW, DAL, DEN, or MCO over driving to BNA with BNA being more than a 3-hour drive from Greater Memphis.
Are the WN BNA-LGA nonstop flights cheaper than connecting to LGA from MEM through MDW on WN?
You don't connect with a wife and two teenage girls on Spring Break if you fon't have to. Again, even after a one night stay at the Opryland Hotel with it's new indoor waterpark and parking for a week, it was over $1,000 bucks cheaper to drive and fly direct on WN from BNA. Look, i get it. One personson or even a couple, you connect. Heck, the Sat flight from LGA to MEM on WN is often a no plane change flight. But... with luggage in tow for a crew like that he kept 1K of his money.
I agree on MEM/ATL but WN seems 0 percent interested in growing ATL.
MEM has amazing potential considering it's catchment area and cultivating it. ( The greater Mid-South area as a whole has a population of 2.4 million according to 2013 census estimates.[3] This area is covered by Memphis local news channels and includes the Missouri Bootheel, Northeast Arkansas, West Tennessee, and North Mississippi.) It was price suppressed for decades. The best thing that happened to BNA was losing the AA hub. It allowed WN in to flourish by offering great fares.
Airlinea like Contour and Via, if they were dependable, would be perfect for markets like PIT, RDU, IND, MSY, CVG, STL and dare I say TYS.
The MEM/TYS drive isn't getting easier with Nashville in the middle, there is the UT connection plus the tourism angle. I wouldn't be shocked to see Allegiant add it. They found great success on the Destin flight. Destin was considered a driving destination this is in that same vein along with MSY. There is the spinning caboose(Amtrack) between MEM/MSY.
IAHWorldflyer wrote:What's the business case for BOS? Boston is primarily finance and tech. Memphis doesn't have lots of either industry. Is there a Boston based company that has a major facility in Memphis?
WaywardMemphian wrote:I agree on MEM/ATL but WN seems 0 percent interested in growing ATL.
Airventure737 wrote:AA has replaced one of the two daily CRJ-900 flights to PHX with an A319 and will place one of the three daily regional flights to PHL with an A319 in May. Nice to see the larger equipment coming in.
WaywardMemphian wrote:Airventure737 wrote:AA has replaced one of the two daily CRJ-900 flights to PHX with an A319 and will place one of the three daily regional flights to PHL with an A319 in May. Nice to see the larger equipment coming in.
I'd rather see those 319s coming and going from LAX and JFK and all hubs be connected to MEM.
plinth857 wrote:Flight lands at Memphis 11:59 P.M... then I catch a flight the next morning at 5:00 A.M. Is MEM an airport that would allow me to stay in the secure area, or would it be required to leave and then re-enter security when it opens? With that small amount of time, I'm trying to avoid going to a hotel, since I'd only be there for a couple hours anyway.
jplatts wrote:WaywardMemphian wrote:I agree on MEM/ATL but WN seems 0 percent interested in growing ATL.
There were actually a few nonstop routes that were added by WN out of ATL subsequent to the WN-FL merger such as ATL-CLE, ATL-DAL, ATL-GSP, ATL-BNA, ATL-OAK, and ATL-IAD. ATL-AUS nonstop service was also added by WN subsequent to the acquisition of FL by WN but prior to the discontinuation of the AirTran brand and the full integration of AirTran into Southwest.
WN currently only serves ATL nonstop from GSP, and ATL is also currently the only destination that has daily nonstop service out of RIC on WN.
While WN had cut back on some nonstop routes out of ATL, WN had recently increased ATL-AUS nonstop service to 3 daily nonstops from 2 daily nonstops, and WN had recently increased ATL-MCI nonstop service to 4 daily nonstops from 3 daily nonstops.
I am unsure if WN will ever add MEM-ATL nonstop service, but MEM-ATL nonstop service could be added by WN to improve competition on the MEM-ATL route and to provide easier connections to the East Coast from MEM.
Airventure737 wrote:What happened tp the Air Canada E175 that was supposed to begin May 1? The Toronto route is still operated by the crj200.
Fargo wrote:Airventure737 wrote:What happened tp the Air Canada E175 that was supposed to begin May 1? The Toronto route is still operated by the crj200.
I also noticed the Nashville flights that were suppose to be upgauged also have reverted back to the CRJ. What happened?
TTailedTiger wrote:I wonder if UA will ever try SFO-MEM. Can an E175 make the trip?