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BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:33 am

A BR flight attendant on a LAX-TPE flight was forced to:
-wipe the behind of a pax of size because he claimed he could not reach back their due to injuries. During the wiping, he kept moaning and saying "hmm, deeper, deeper" and the flight attendant felt extremely violated (the man became enraged when she refused at first, the Chief Purser and the FA ended up doing the wiping after some back and forth)
-The man questioned after the wiping whether or not they had even properly cleaned him and yelled at them over it
-He was seated in Y but was given access to the J bathroom because of his size (the J one is larger than a normal stall, it can fit a whole wheelchair+another person)
-help him remove his pants and underwear in the lav, where he then pulled out his genitals for the FAs to see
-watch him use the restroom as he demanded the door be kept open so he does not feel claustrophobic.

Upon arrival in TPE, male staffers escorted the man to the restroom, where he said he could go himself and did not need their help. The pax has reportedly had many write-ups about his behavior but it has largely been ignored by BR mgmt. because he is a frequent flyer.

Mgmt. said his requests are unreasonable but the flight attendant could've and should've said no. They refused to comment on whether or not they would blacklist him and said they are investigating whether or not their was any sexual harassment. Meanwhile, they will provide "support" for the FA.

https://udn.com/news/story/7315/3604203
https://tw.appledaily.com/new/realtime/20190120/1504018
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:44 am

hayzel777 wrote:
A BR flight attendant on a LAX-TPE flight was forced to:
-wipe the behind of a pax of size because he claimed he could not reach back their due to injuries. During the wiping, he kept moaning and saying "hmm, deeper, deeper" and the flight attendant felt extremely violated (the man became enraged when she refused at first, the Chief Purser and the FA ended up doing the wiping after some back and forth)
-The man questioned after the wiping whether or not they had even properly cleaned him and yelled at them over it
-He was seated in Y but was given access to the J bathroom because of his size (the J one is larger than a normal stall, it can fit a whole wheelchair+another person)
-help him remove his pants and underwear in the lav, where he then pulled out his genitals for the FAs to see
-watch him use the restroom as he demanded the door be kept open so he does not feel claustrophobic.
Upon arrival in TPE, male staffers escorted the man to the restroom, where he said he could go himself and did not need their help. The pax has reportedly had many write-ups about his behavior but it has largely been ignored by BR mgmt. because he is a frequent flyer.
Mgmt. said his requests are unreasonable but the flight attendant could've and should've said no. They refused to comment on whether or not they would blacklist him and said they are investigating whether or not their was any sexual harassment. Meanwhile, they will provide "support" for the FA.
https://udn.com/news/story/7315/3604203
https://tw.appledaily.com/new/realtime/20190120/1504018


That is not a passenger; that is a creep. He should be banned for life by BR - and by any other airline where he has pulled his stunts.
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:51 am

hayzel777 wrote:
A BR flight attendant on a LAX-TPE flight was forced to:
-wipe the behind of a pax of size because he claimed he could not reach back their due to injuries. During the wiping, he kept moaning and saying "hmm, deeper, deeper" and the flight attendant felt extremely violated (the man became enraged when she refused at first, the Chief Purser and the FA ended up doing the wiping after some back and forth)
-The man questioned after the wiping whether or not they had even properly cleaned him and yelled at them over it
-He was seated in Y but was given access to the J bathroom because of his size (the J one is larger than a normal stall, it can fit a whole wheelchair+another person)
-help him remove his pants and underwear in the lav, where he then pulled out his genitals for the FAs to see
-watch him use the restroom as he demanded the door be kept open so he does not feel claustrophobic.

Upon arrival in TPE, male staffers escorted the man to the restroom, where he said he could go himself and did not need their help. The pax has reportedly had many write-ups about his behavior but it has largely been ignored by BR mgmt. because he is a frequent flyer.

Mgmt. said his requests are unreasonable but the flight attendant could've and should've said no. They refused to comment on whether or not they would blacklist him and said they are investigating whether or not their was any sexual harassment. Meanwhile, they will provide "support" for the FA.

https://udn.com/news/story/7315/3604203
https://tw.appledaily.com/new/realtime/20190120/1504018


IMO, the last part of the title is unnecessary - this has nothing to do with a disability or size - this is a passenger being a creep. The fact that the passenger is disabled and is large is a red herring and only seems insensitive.
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:29 am

Total creepozoid. I hope they ban him. That's totally disgusting. And on another note, sorry passengers of size, if you're too large to use a normal sized lav, then you need to address your problem. You know what it is.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:33 am

Sounds like this passenger requires medical clearance to travel along with a mandatory attendant.
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:57 am

Disgusting, shame on him and I hope the FA gets some recourse.
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:03 am

jbs2886 wrote:
hayzel777 wrote:
A BR flight attendant on a LAX-TPE flight was forced to:
-wipe the behind of a pax of size because he claimed he could not reach back their due to injuries. During the wiping, he kept moaning and saying "hmm, deeper, deeper" and the flight attendant felt extremely violated (the man became enraged when she refused at first, the Chief Purser and the FA ended up doing the wiping after some back and forth)
-The man questioned after the wiping whether or not they had even properly cleaned him and yelled at them over it
-He was seated in Y but was given access to the J bathroom because of his size (the J one is larger than a normal stall, it can fit a whole wheelchair+another person)
-help him remove his pants and underwear in the lav, where he then pulled out his genitals for the FAs to see
-watch him use the restroom as he demanded the door be kept open so he does not feel claustrophobic.

Upon arrival in TPE, male staffers escorted the man to the restroom, where he said he could go himself and did not need their help. The pax has reportedly had many write-ups about his behavior but it has largely been ignored by BR mgmt. because he is a frequent flyer.

Mgmt. said his requests are unreasonable but the flight attendant could've and should've said no. They refused to comment on whether or not they would blacklist him and said they are investigating whether or not their was any sexual harassment. Meanwhile, they will provide "support" for the FA.

https://udn.com/news/story/7315/3604203
https://tw.appledaily.com/new/realtime/20190120/1504018


IMO, the last part of the title is unnecessary - this has nothing to do with a disability or size - this is a passenger being a creep. The fact that the passenger is disabled and is large is a red herring and only seems insensitive.


I don't think that's true. He was allowed in the first class bathroom because of size and disability. He needed "help" because of disability (and probably size). These two facts (size and disability) help explain the story.

No one said "disabled people are creeps" or "big people are creeps". But for this story ... those facts help us understand the events.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:02 am

This is why if you can't go toilet alone then you're not flying. Keep it simple and it avoids nonsense like this. If you want wiped thoroughly then bring a carer with you. Cabin crew are not there to wipe bums. My airline will quite happily deliver you to a toilet via the cabin chair but you're (quite rightly) on your own once you're in the toilet.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:34 am

Lmao... ain’t NO WAY I’d have wiped that dudes ass, I might love flying and really enjoy my job but there ain’t enough pay in the world that would get me to wipe his nasty ass! Rather tell him we’re to stick it and loose my job than subject myself or any member of my crew to that perv! If you can’t wipe your own ass without help, either fly with an aide or don’t travel! But don’t ever expect I or any of my crew will ever go anywhere near your backside to wipe that rancid hoop! Total creep! Probably some sick fettish of his!
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:21 am

Wait wait wait. Lots of assumptions in the original post, we are not MDs and even if we are we haven't seen the pan nor assisted to the scene. Maybe the aircraft toilets were not big enough to let him do everything by himself (in comparison to those of the airport).

Perhaps this person requires someone accompanying and assisting him during his travels, but let's refrain from judging or calling him a creep if we don't know about the exact circumstances of the facts related.

Being "of size" is nobody's fault. And if it becomes a disability then society needs to provide all the possible care to ensure that the person with that disability can travel safely and comfortably wherever and whenever he/she wants.
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:33 am

alesfr wrote:
Being "of size" is nobody's fault.

In vast majority cases that is simply not true.
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:37 am

alesfr wrote:
Wait wait wait. Lots of assumptions in the original post, we are not MDs and even if we are we haven't seen the pan nor assisted to the scene. Maybe the aircraft toilets were not big enough to let him do everything by himself (in comparison to those of the airport).

Perhaps this person requires someone accompanying and assisting him during his travels, but let's refrain from judging or calling him a creep if we don't know about the exact circumstances of the facts related.

Being "of size" is nobody's fault. And if it becomes a disability then society needs to provide all the possible care to ensure that the person with that disability can travel safely and comfortably wherever and whenever he/she wants.


It is not the job of the flight attendants to whipe your rear-end. Period
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:57 am

alesfr wrote:
Wait wait wait. Lots of assumptions in the original post, we are not MDs and even if we are we haven't seen the pan nor assisted to the scene. Maybe the aircraft toilets were not big enough to let him do everything by himself (in comparison to those of the airport).

Perhaps this person requires someone accompanying and assisting him during his travels, but let's refrain from judging or calling him a creep if we don't know about the exact circumstances of the facts related.

Being "of size" is nobody's fault. And if it becomes a disability then society needs to provide all the possible care to ensure that the person with that disability can travel safely and comfortably wherever and whenever he/she wants.


Hang on... let me get this straight, you think it’s acceptable for a flight attendant to be demeaned into wiping some “of size” dudes ass??

Nah.... oh hell no! I don’t care if being “of size” is or is not his fault, he is a FREQUENT FLYER so he is WELL aware of the size of the lavs on the plane! If he can’t manage it on his own he should be traveling with someone that is qualified to help or he should not be traveling AT ALL, no if’s and’s or butt’s (Excuse the pun lol)

To argue with a complete stranger to wipe your ass and get annoyed that they first say no qualifies you under ALL senses of the word as a complete and utter tool and creep! And to then argue that they might not have wiped it properly... at that point I’d have made him eat his own... well I’ll leave that to your imagination haha

Lol get outta here dude
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:07 am

What is this 'person of size' crap?! Are we not allowed to call fat people fat anymore for fear of infringing their human rights?
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:09 am

I'm sorry, who exactly "forced" this FA to do this?
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:27 am

Agree with most of your points on here. No FA should ever have to wipe someone’s ass. That is not in any way their job, and could actually compromise safety if they were engaged while an incident occurred.

The description of this odious man makes him seem like a creep who falsely portrays his size as a disability to get people to wipe his rear. The mind boggles.

He seems like a real troublemaker who may well be committing sexual harassment. In my view, at the very least he should be banned from flying with BR and indeed all airlines for a long time.

Also, most but not all fat people are in part to blame for their size. Unlike skin colour or sexuality, size and religion usually are entirely a result of the individual’s choices.

And “of size”?! Call him what he is, fat, overweight or large. I’m leftist on most things, but this really is political correctness gone mad!
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:57 am

alesfr wrote:
Wait wait wait. Lots of assumptions in the original post, we are not MDs and even if we are we haven't seen the pan nor assisted to the scene. Maybe the aircraft toilets were not big enough to let him do everything by himself (in comparison to those of the airport).

Perhaps this person requires someone accompanying and assisting him during his travels, but let's refrain from judging or calling him a creep if we don't know about the exact circumstances of the facts related.

Being "of size" is nobody's fault. And if it becomes a disability then society needs to provide all the possible care to ensure that the person with that disability can travel safely and comfortably wherever and whenever he/she wants.



Good grief, give me a break. Nobody put a gun to his head and forced him to eat another helping. Stop enabling bad behavior!
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:21 pm

Can this website allow reaction gifs to posts like these.

I’m all for defending people of size, but dis just too much
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:27 pm

Hopefully he faces a sizable fine.
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:29 pm

I believe Jetstar requires its passengers to be able to take care of themselves, so guys like this (even if they weren't pervs) will be SOL.

Is it possible for this guy to be criminally prosecuted?
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:38 pm

What's with BR! if it's not the rumored little fights the FA have over the Pacific and now this.
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:50 pm

How about prison time because that's what he deserves :)
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:11 pm

kitplane01 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
hayzel777 wrote:
A BR flight attendant on a LAX-TPE flight was forced to:
-wipe the behind of a pax of size because he claimed he could not reach back their due to injuries. During the wiping, he kept moaning and saying "hmm, deeper, deeper" and the flight attendant felt extremely violated (the man became enraged when she refused at first, the Chief Purser and the FA ended up doing the wiping after some back and forth)
-The man questioned after the wiping whether or not they had even properly cleaned him and yelled at them over it
-He was seated in Y but was given access to the J bathroom because of his size (the J one is larger than a normal stall, it can fit a whole wheelchair+another person)
-help him remove his pants and underwear in the lav, where he then pulled out his genitals for the FAs to see
-watch him use the restroom as he demanded the door be kept open so he does not feel claustrophobic.

Upon arrival in TPE, male staffers escorted the man to the restroom, where he said he could go himself and did not need their help. The pax has reportedly had many write-ups about his behavior but it has largely been ignored by BR mgmt. because he is a frequent flyer.

Mgmt. said his requests are unreasonable but the flight attendant could've and should've said no. They refused to comment on whether or not they would blacklist him and said they are investigating whether or not their was any sexual harassment. Meanwhile, they will provide "support" for the FA.

https://udn.com/news/story/7315/3604203
https://tw.appledaily.com/new/realtime/20190120/1504018


IMO, the last part of the title is unnecessary - this has nothing to do with a disability or size - this is a passenger being a creep. The fact that the passenger is disabled and is large is a red herring and only seems insensitive.


I don't think that's true. He was allowed in the first class bathroom because of size and disability. He needed "help" because of disability (and probably size). These two facts (size and disability) help explain the story.

No one said "disabled people are creeps" or "big people are creeps". But for this story ... those facts help us understand the events.


Really So he is disabled & makes comments of a sexual nature when it is a female FA. But needs no assistance in the airport when it is male employees. And tells them he does not need help. Thats a sad man using his disability to sexually harass a woman. And before anyone responds back. I worked as a home nurse for disabled people for over 10 years. What he did would get him warned & written up. with notice of termination of care if it continued. And the female attendant/nurse would be reassigned & a male put in their place.
A male FA should have to help him from now on.
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:24 pm

hayzel777 wrote:
A BR flight attendant on a LAX-TPE flight was forced to:
-wipe the behind of a pax of size because he claimed he could not reach back their due to injuries. During the wiping, he kept moaning and saying "hmm, deeper, deeper" and the flight attendant felt extremely violated (the man became enraged when she refused at first, the Chief Purser and the FA ended up doing the wiping after some back and forth)
-The man questioned after the wiping whether or not they had even properly cleaned him and yelled at them over it
-He was seated in Y but was given access to the J bathroom because of his size (the J one is larger than a normal stall, it can fit a whole wheelchair+another person)
-help him remove his pants and underwear in the lav, where he then pulled out his genitals for the FAs to see
-watch him use the restroom as he demanded the door be kept open so he does not feel claustrophobic.

Upon arrival in TPE, male staffers escorted the man to the restroom, where he said he could go himself and did not need their help. The pax has reportedly had many write-ups about his behavior but it has largely been ignored by BR mgmt. because he is a frequent flyer.

Mgmt. said his requests are unreasonable but the flight attendant could've and should've said no. They refused to comment on whether or not they would blacklist him and said they are investigating whether or not their was any sexual harassment. Meanwhile, they will provide "support" for the FA.

https://udn.com/news/story/7315/3604203
https://tw.appledaily.com/new/realtime/20190120/1504018
Absolutely shocking to say the least. Anyone ID'd the guy yet? I would like to know what his deal is - Sexual gratification? He has not done himself any favours at all, can't claim disability since he can clearly go by himself in the presence of male attendants.

Meanwhile, I would like to see BR Management assist the poor FA who clearly, have gone above and beyond what is necessary to provide 5-star service. Also, I would like to see more male flight attendants in Asian carriers, whilst I wouldn't expect male attendants to be wiping any passenger's back passage, with a male presence, it's easier for the crew to say no and be more assertive on what their current role entitles should there be a dispute between flight attendants' actual duties and passengers' fictional expectations like this gentleman's.
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:29 pm

Does Eva Air have male FA?
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:17 pm

alesfr wrote:
Being "of size" is nobody's fault.


I'm fat. I'm not "of size", I am fat. I know this, my doctor has told me such, and I am trying to work on it. That being said, I know definitively whose fault this is: mine. I made the choices that lead to it, so I am responsible. People need to be held accountable for their choices, period.

alesfr wrote:
And if it becomes a disability then society needs to provide all the possible care to ensure that the person with that disability can travel safely and comfortably wherever and whenever he/she wants.


Being fat is not a disability, it is a choice. It can be remedied whenever the person who is fat takes the initiative to stop being fat. A paraplegic cannot choose to stop being paraplegic. Someone who is blind or deaf cannot choose to stop being blind or deaf. But I can choose to stop being fat. Furthermore, this creep abused several FA's and sexually assaulted them. Society owes this cretin nothing.
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:41 pm

My wife is a BSN and worked in an oncology unit. For some reason oncology receive a lot of the drug addicts\crazies from the ER. They had a larger gentleman who would hit the call button and if the nurses didnt come fast enough he would crap himself so they would have to clean him up. Some people are just crazy. This guy sounds like one of those people.

I told her she should write a book about her stories. Some of them are off the wall funny.
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:40 pm

santi319 wrote:
Does Eva Air have male FA?


Nope, only female FAs, which I find archaic.
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:51 pm

TPX101 wrote:
santi319 wrote:
Does Eva Air have male FA?


Nope, only female FAs, which I find archaic.

Ah well there you go.... no wonder why this pig chose this airline, and also no wonder these women felt like they “had to” proceed with it..
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:33 am

This is one of the most insane things I've read in this website. So shockingly disgusting.
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:54 am

KICT wrote:
Hopefully he faces a sizable fine.


You can't say that.

Instead, you should say: a fine "of size".
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:59 am

alesfr wrote:
Wait wait wait. Lots of assumptions in the original post, we are not MDs and even if we are we haven't seen the pan nor assisted to the scene. Maybe the aircraft toilets were not big enough to let him do everything by himself (in comparison to those of the airport).

Perhaps this person requires someone accompanying and assisting him during his travels, but let's refrain from judging or calling him a creep if we don't know about the exact circumstances of the facts related.

Being "of size" is nobody's fault. And if it becomes a disability then society needs to provide all the possible care to ensure that the person with that disability can travel safely and comfortably wherever and whenever he/she wants.
BR frequent flyer, huh? :)
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:21 am

This is so gross, I do not know where to start.
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:22 am

Forgive my assumptions but this guy sounds/looks like a "frequent flyer" who's primary destination are the brothels of Thailand. He seems to fit the profile of one of those creeps who goes just to pay (barely legal) people for sexual service.
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:27 am

alesfr wrote:
Being "of size" is nobody's fault.


That is absolutely not true. If someone is morbidly obese, it's their own fault. They're the one who crammed the food down their face and didn't manage their diet and caloric intake properly.
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:32 am

TheLion wrote:
Agree with most of your points on here. No FA should ever have to wipe someone’s ass. That is not in any way their job, and could actually compromise safety if they were engaged while an incident occurred.

The description of this odious man makes him seem like a creep who falsely portrays his size as a disability to get people to wipe his rear. The mind boggles.

He seems like a real troublemaker who may well be committing sexual harassment. In my view, at the very least he should be banned from flying with BR and indeed all airlines for a long time.

Also, most but not all fat people are in part to blame for their size. Unlike skin colour or sexuality, size and religion usually are entirely a result of the individual’s choices.

And “of size”?! Call him what he is, fat, overweight or large. I’m leftist on most things, but this really is political correctness gone mad!


If fat is too insulting, my suggestion would be obese or morbidly obese as these are medical terms. But that is largely irrelevant as I am in agreement that the lack of personal accountability and this notion that society should cater to other people's chosen shortcomings is reaching critical mass. Most of the people in my family are obese and it is due to personal choices. That said, there are conditions that can cause runway obesity but I would be surprised to find out that is more often than not the case vs eating/dietary habits.

As others have said, frequent flier or not, there is no way I'd do it. Not sure what employee protections Taiwan has in place but I would be certain that if this was on a US carrier and the FA was fired over it, there would be a wrongful termination lawsuit not long after the main gear hit the pavement.

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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:05 am

I wonder how would he use the lavatory on an AA 738?
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:27 am

JAGflyer wrote:
Forgive my assumptions but this guy sounds/looks like a "frequent flyer" who's primary destination are the brothels of Thailand. He seems to fit the profile of one of those creeps who goes just to pay (barely legal) people for sexual service.

Likely and may involve women who are under 18 and not legal for adults to have sex with in most of the world as well as liking unusual forms of sex, probably has to pay for it to get any sex, has difficulty in part due to their obesity.

I suspect the BR F/A's are in a difficult position. Parts of Asian culture make women to be subservient to men as part of their duties even if demeaning as well as fear of keeping their jobs if decline to do certain services. This is further complicated by that the flight started in the USA (LAX) so conflicts with the USA's laws and rules as to those with disabilities including obesity.
Still the lead F/A - Purser should have stepped in and determined the demands of the pax were wrong and excessive by any standards. I hope the F/A involved gets counseling, BR revises their rules that F/A's can refuse to do offensive and really unhealthy requests, that Pursers will support the F/A from having to do such requests, that such pax face criminal penalties, put on a 'no fly' list at least by their airline.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:37 am

ltbewr wrote:
JAGflyer wrote:
Forgive my assumptions but this guy sounds/looks like a "frequent flyer" who's primary destination are the brothels of Thailand. He seems to fit the profile of one of those creeps who goes just to pay (barely legal) people for sexual service.

Likely and may involve women who are under 18 and not legal for adults to have sex with in most of the world as well as liking unusual forms of sex, probably has to pay for it to get any sex, has difficulty in part due to their obesity.

I suspect the BR F/A's are in a difficult position. Parts of Asian culture make women to be subservient to men as part of their duties even if demeaning as well as fear of keeping their jobs if decline to do certain services. This is further complicated by that the flight started in the USA (LAX) so conflicts with the USA's laws and rules as to those with disabilities including obesity.
Still the lead F/A - Purser should have stepped in and determined the demands of the pax were wrong and excessive by any standards. I hope the F/A involved gets counseling, BR revises their rules that F/A's can refuse to do offensive and really unhealthy requests, that Pursers will support the F/A from having to do such requests, that such pax face criminal penalties, put on a 'no fly' list at least by their airline.


BR AFAIK is not a company who considers their flight attendants to be outright slaves to passengers (like many Middle Eastern airlines such as QR/EK). Having to do personal care (wiping/cleaning passengers, feeding them, etc) is not at all part of a flight attendant's duties and I'm sure they know that since nobody asks them to do it (except for this man). Secondly, there is no law saying obese or "disabled' passengers are entitled to personal care services from anyone. Disability laws in this case may extend as far as offering the passenger a wheelchair or use of a larger lavatory. There is zero legal requirement for them to have flight attendants or anyone they aren't paying for such services to clean their bodies.
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:52 am

andymartin wrote:
What is this 'person of size' crap?! Are we not allowed to call fat people fat anymore [...] ?


Perhaps he was (rightly, IMHO) referred to as a P.O.S., but the acronym was mistranslated.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:20 am

Some carriers just forget that flight attendants are for safety, not service in the first place. This person should be permanently banned from flying, and the problematic culture of appeasements must be eliminated at all costs to ensure the rights of all flight attendants.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:49 am

alesfr wrote:
Wait wait wait. Lots of assumptions in the original post, we are not MDs and even if we are we haven't seen the pan nor assisted to the scene. Maybe the aircraft toilets were not big enough to let him do everything by himself (in comparison to those of the airport).

Perhaps this person requires someone accompanying and assisting him during his travels, but let's refrain from judging or calling him a creep if we don't know about the exact circumstances of the facts related.

Being "of size" is nobody's fault. And if it becomes a disability then society needs to provide all the possible care to ensure that the person with that disability can travel safely and comfortably wherever and whenever he/she wants.


It gets to a point where it's no longer safe for someone to travel because of their body and size, and I say this in a nondiscriminatory way. If you can't properly take care of yourself, you definitely should not being flying alone.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:32 am

JAGflyer wrote:
Forgive my assumptions but this guy sounds/looks like a "frequent flyer" who's primary destination are the brothels of Thailand. He seems to fit the profile of one of those creeps who goes just to pay (barely legal) people for sexual service.


I find your remarks highly offensive to me and my wife and has nothing to do with the topic.
I'm immigrated to Thailand over 30 years ago and i'm married to my Thai wife more then 28 years.
People as you gives the rest a bad name.
(child) prostitution happens unfortunately in almost every country.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:50 am

rbavfan wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

IMO, the last part of the title is unnecessary - this has nothing to do with a disability or size - this is a passenger being a creep. The fact that the passenger is disabled and is large is a red herring and only seems insensitive.


I don't think that's true. He was allowed in the first class bathroom because of size and disability. He needed "help" because of disability (and probably size). These two facts (size and disability) help explain the story.

No one said "disabled people are creeps" or "big people are creeps". But for this story ... those facts help us understand the events.


Really So he is disabled & makes comments of a sexual nature when it is a female FA. But needs no assistance in the airport when it is male employees. And tells them he does not need help. Thats a sad man using his disability to sexually harass a woman. And before anyone responds back. I worked as a home nurse for disabled people for over 10 years. What he did would get him warned & written up. with notice of termination of care if it continued. And the female attendant/nurse would be reassigned & a male put in their place.
A male FA should have to help him from now on.


I wonder you misunderstood what I tried to write. I agree with you, and I think most people here do too.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:39 am

If I were that FA we would have need to make a medical diversion to offload this perv. Therr is no way in hell I am wiping a passengers ass for him. This is one of the most disturbing and disgusting stories I have ever read.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:03 am

That's plain sick. You don't, size/disability or whatever ask people to help you with your big business. I truly hope he gets on a no flight list with BR.
What that's wrong, in the head, of someone who thinks it's acceptable to ask such a thing from a fellow human is beyond me. Something really wrong with this man's basic values.

With that said, not needing help at airport toilets can be due to size. The toilets aren't ecactly premium space on today's airplanes. I got less than 5% body fat and the toilets are miniscule for me.
Or he can play up a bit to get his upgrade. That he wouldn't be the first who does.

Unfortunately I would also suspect that the man's final destination is either Cambodia, Thailand or The Philippines. The modus operandi makes it my educated guess. The world has a tendency to see some of its creepiest men travel to those destinations.

Sitting in Manila today, I had the dubious pleasure of watching two 60+ white 'whales' wearing well used fake brands T shirts and too short jeans(showing hairy arses) try to ask(35 times so read harass) junior doctors at Manilas premier hospital out.
Thinking they can act to professionals loke they act to the bargirls. No understanding that junior doctors absolutely despise them and are so out of their league it's ridiculous. Makes me feel ashamed as a fellow white man. The number of white trash men in Se Asia is sad.
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:38 am

MillwallSean wrote:
That's plain sick. You don't, size/disability or whatever ask people to help you with your big business. I truly hope he gets on a no flight list with BR.
What that's wrong, in the head, of someone who thinks it's acceptable to ask such a thing from a fellow human is beyond me. Something really wrong with this man's basic values.

With that said, not needing help at airport toilets can be due to size. The toilets aren't ecactly premium space on today's airplanes. I got less than 5% body fat and the toilets are miniscule for me.
Or he can play up a bit to get his upgrade. That he wouldn't be the first who does.

Unfortunately I would also suspect that the man's final destination is either Cambodia, Thailand or The Philippines. The modus operandi makes it my educated guess. The world has a tendency to see some of its creepiest men travel to those destinations.

Sitting in Manila today, I had the dubious pleasure of watching two 60+ white 'whales' wearing well used fake brands T shirts and too short jeans(showing hairy arses) try to ask(35 times so read harass) junior doctors at Manilas premier hospital out.
Thinking they can act to professionals loke they act to the bargirls. No understanding that junior doctors absolutely despise them and are so out of their league it's ridiculous. Makes me feel ashamed as a fellow white man. The number of white trash men in Se Asia is sad.

The toilet that he used was a J toilet designed to fit a whole wheelchair+a caregiver comfortably. It is larger than a normal stall at any restroom.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:03 am

alesfr wrote:
Perhaps this person requires someone accompanying and assisting him during his travels, but let's refrain from judging or calling him a creep if we don't know about the exact circumstances of the facts related.

Being "of size" is nobody's fault. And if it becomes a disability then society needs to provide all the possible care to ensure that the person with that disability can travel safely and comfortably wherever and whenever he/she wants.


Again "society". If you have a disability or a medical condition - please bring in an aide. Be considerate to other passengers around you. Flight crew has 350 other pax to help.

Nearly all disability and LTC insurance policies provide coverage for one. If he is a frequent flier - he certainly can afford such policy (or at least could when he was healthy). If one doesn't take care of their own financial security - it's not "society", an airline or flight attendant fault or problem. Please sit at home in that case.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:05 am

JAGflyer wrote:
Forgive my assumptions but this guy sounds/looks like a "frequent flyer" who's primary destination are the brothels of Thailand. He seems to fit the profile of one of those creeps who goes just to pay (barely legal) people for sexual service.


Yeah. And save on some caregiver costs as well. Poor Thai girls.
 
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Re: BR Flight Attendant Subjected to Unreasonable Requests by Disabled Pax of Size

Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:57 am

"Disabled passenger of size"... Haha. Wow.

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