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New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:45 pm

So far seeing GRB, BFM and BIL as new cities.

New Routes:
BTV-DEN

New Cities:
GRB-DEN
BIL-DEN
BFM-DEN/ORD

Probably more still trying to go through the schedules.
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Re: New F9 Routes - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:53 pm

Is Mobile (BFM) new?
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:55 pm

BTV could do well. The times are a little weird. Can't see any connections on the Eastbound flights. Who wants to leave DEN that early too, not too appealing for leisure travelers. If you were in Vail you would have to leave your condo at like 3am to make the flight.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:56 pm

I’m pretty sure BTV got announced in 2018.

My bad, you’re right the DEN add is new for BTV.
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Re: New F9 Routes - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:57 pm

dabpit wrote:
Is Mobile (BFM) new?


Yes, also surprised they are choosing BFM and not MOB.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:57 pm

dabpit wrote:
Is Mobile (BFM) new?

Yes, interesting add because BFM doesn’t currently have commercial service.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:58 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
I’m pretty sure BTV got announced in 2018.


They announced to MCO. BTV-DEN is a new market for Burlington.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:58 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing GRB and BIL as new cities.

BTV-DEN
GRB-DEN
BIL-DEN
BFM-DEN

Probably more still trying to go through the schedules.

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
BTV could do well. The times are a little weird. Can't see any connections on the Eastbound flights. Who wants to leave DEN that early too.

TYSflyer wrote:
I’m pretty sure BTV got announced in 2018.


BTV is not a new announcement.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:59 pm

BTV is an interesting add. It could do well, though I've always thought of VT more as a regional tourist destination.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:59 pm

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Yes, also surprised they are choosing BFM and not MOB.

All commercial ops will be moving from MOB to BFM.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:00 pm

Mobile Airport Authority is starting to shift scheduled passenger flights from MOB to BFM. VC and F9 will be there first, in a temporary LCC terminal. A new permanent terminal will be built that will house all airlines, probably in the next 5 or so years.

F9 will also be going to ORD from BFM.
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Re: New F9 Routes - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:00 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
dabpit wrote:
Is Mobile (BFM) new?


Yes, also surprised they are choosing BFM and not MOB.


Does BFM have the facilities and security screeners for commercial flights???
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:01 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing GRB, BFM and BIL as new cities.

BTV-DEN* New route

New Cities:
GRB-DEN
BIL-DEN
BFM-DEN

Probably more still trying to go through the schedules.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:01 pm

dabpit wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
So far seeing GRB and BIL as new cities.

BTV-DEN
GRB-DEN
BIL-DEN
BFM-DEN

Probably more still trying to go through the schedules.

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
BTV could do well. The times are a little weird. Can't see any connections on the Eastbound flights. Who wants to leave DEN that early too.

TYSflyer wrote:
I’m pretty sure BTV got announced in 2018.


BTV is not a new announcement.


Show where that was announced? MCO was announced, i was at the announcement at the airport, no one mentioned DEN as official. They just said it could lead to new routes if it does well.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:02 pm

dabpit wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
dabpit wrote:
Is Mobile (BFM) new?


Yes, also surprised they are choosing BFM and not MOB.


Does BFM have the facilities and security screeners for commercial flights???


Yes it will... the temporary facility will open in late April.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:05 pm

F9 is trying another go at beefing up DEN. It felt like it was shrinking.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:06 pm

This isn't the first time F9 has done GRB-DEN. They ran it back in about 2010. It was done to compete with then UAs ATW-DEN route (which IIRC, was also moved to GRB). Eventually both carriers dropped the route. Now UA brought back ATW-DEN last year so this doesn't surprise me that F9 is going to give this another whirl.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:18 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Show where that was announced? MCO was announced, i was at the announcement at the airport, no one mentioned DEN as official. They just said it could lead to new routes if it does well.


The original post came off as BTV being a new city, take a chill pill. The OP corrected the post.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:19 pm

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F9 is trying another go at beefing up DEN. It felt like it was shrinking.


You are correct that DEN has been shrinking. The re-connecting with GRB is just one of many former routes F9 has restarted. There will be a small build up of new routes out of DEN for this summer's seasonal flying.

F9's DEN operation took substantial hits from aggressive UA and WN expansion over the past 3-4 years. Now with a bunch of new planes arriving this year, and in succeeding years, those planes may appear on prior F9 routes like GRB and the others appearing today.

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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:23 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
BTV could do well. The times are a little weird. Can't see any connections on the Eastbound flights. Who wants to leave DEN that early too, not too appealing for leisure travelers. If you were in Vail you would have to leave your condo at like 3am to make the flight.


It looks like the schedule is arranged so the return gets to DEN at a decent time. And PDEW between BTV and DEN is relatively high, so maybe connections don't matter too much.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:26 pm

I’m thinking the reason (or one of them) they added Mobile is to put the airplanes coming off the assembly to good use instead of ferrying them empty to DEN.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:58 pm

But F9 has cut so many of the flights from DEN (e.g., DEN-SAN is now 1 1/2 daily flights!) I wonder if connections to all these new adds such as BIL & BTV will be practical? Or are F9 pax expected to spend hours (or days) in connection points (DEN) to make a connection?

Or is F9 simply after local traffic between DEN and the new cities with no interest in connecting pax throughout their network?

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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:59 pm

Looks like DEN-BOS too
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:06 pm

Could anyone see F9 starting ORD-GRB, too? It’s a route that is traditionally very expensive (albeit most people drive between the two cities, I’m assuming), but it would be interesting to see if an ULCC could succeed on this or a similar regional route.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:21 pm

Looks like the flights to/from BIL don’t offer scheduled connections. There should be plenty of local traffic at F9 prices considering what UA has historically charged for that flight.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:39 pm

F9's going to fricking MOBILE? Not even Mobile Regional like everyone else?

Jesus Christ.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:53 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
F9's going to fricking MOBILE? Not even Mobile Regional like everyone else?

Jesus Christ.


Haha... Why is this an issue?
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:57 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
F9's going to fricking MOBILE? Not even Mobile Regional like everyone else?

Jesus Christ.

And do you have a problem with this??? Tough I say!

Its about time we're getting a new airline! We need it. Looking forward to the change when the regional airport is moved here. Will likely also mean additional work here at MAE with line maint!
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:01 pm

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lavalampluva wrote:
F9 is trying another go at beefing up DEN. It felt like it was shrinking.


You are correct that DEN has been shrinking. The re-connecting with GRB is just one of many former routes F9 has restarted. There will be a small build up of new routes out of DEN for this summer's seasonal flying.

F9's DEN operation took substantial hits from aggressive UA and WN expansion over the past 3-4 years. Now with a bunch of new planes arriving this year, and in succeeding years, those planes may appear on prior F9 routes like GRB and the others appearing today.

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I have plenty of friends at F9, but to me - just my opinion - growing DEN is a mistake for F9. WN and UA are already too strong and too big.

It reminds me of a time at DEN Stapleton when UA, CO and FL battled it out. Western made the smart move and shifted from DEN to SLC. F9 can gain some passengers at DEN, sure, but at what cost?
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:10 pm

I wonder if Frontier got an especially-sweet deal from the Mobile Airport Authority to use BFM instead of MOB. They are indeed looking to move passenger ops from MOB to BFM but it’s a slow time-consuming process. And it’s one the airport authority has said may involve a period where some serve BFM and some MOB. My guess is when Frontier comes to BFM amenities and some facilities will be lesser and/or temporary versus what they’d have in MOB. BFM is somewhat more accessible and Mobile hopes moving to BFM will help them lose fewer passengers to places like New Orleans or Pensacola. I’d guess the airport authority is excited to have Frontier get travelers used to the idea that BFM is convenient, especially for travelers from the east who may save 20-ish minutes getting to BFM over MOB.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:19 pm

knope2001 wrote:
I wonder if Frontier got an especially-sweet deal from the Mobile Airport Authority to use BFM instead of MOB. They are indeed looking to move passenger ops from MOB to BFM but it’s a slow time-consuming process. And it’s one the airport authority has said may involve a period where some serve BFM and some MOB. My guess is when Frontier comes to BFM amenities and some facilities will be lesser and/or temporary versus what they’d have in MOB. BFM is somewhat more accessible and Mobile hopes moving to BFM will help them lose fewer passengers to places like New Orleans or Pensacola. I’d guess the airport authority is excited to have Frontier get travelers used to the idea that BFM is convenient, especially for travelers from the east who may save 20-ish minutes getting to BFM over MOB.


Sounds like BFM will start as an LCC airport:

"After renovations the building will become Terminal 1 and be used primarily for low-cost carriers until a master plan can be completed. The terminal is expected to open by April 30, 2019, and should cost $3.2 million to complete."

More info here:
https://lagniappemobile.com/airport-aut ... ommercial/
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:35 pm

Its only temporary. Its currently a warehouse, and half of it will be converted to the temp terminal. If I could upload pictures I would show it. Looking outside right now nothing has started any kind of renovation, but I can guarantee it'll be starting soon.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:04 pm

TWA1985 wrote:
Could anyone see F9 starting ORD-GRB, too? It’s a route that is traditionally very expensive (albeit most people drive between the two cities, I’m assuming), but it would be interesting to see if an ULCC could succeed on this or a similar regional route.


Too short a market for leisure travelers -- it's barely three hours with decent traffic. It's a similar distance to Indy-Chicago, a market which doesn't generate all that much local traffic in spite of being much larger and having Southwest to Midway. I could sooner see them try something like IND-ORD but I doubt they'd find enough traffic unless average fare was under maybe $50. And even though Frontier certainly offers those fares as teasers they would lose their shirts if that was the average fare.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:15 pm

Very exciting to see resumptions of DEN-BIL (it hasn't been that long), DEN-GRB (it didn't last that long - hopefully it'll do better this time around!) and DEN-BOS (it's been what, about 20 years since they've flown this?!?!). Also great to see them link BTV with DEN (I assume BTV-MCO can't be doing too bad, then?) and enter the Mobile market in spite of service to nearby PNS. I had no idea that commercial ops are expected to shift from MOB to BFM. A few years ago I sat next to an Alabama woman who much to my surprise was flying into PNS rather than using MOB because she "didn't like the Mobile Airport". IIRC it wasn't in a convenient location - and it's not like PNS is right off the freeway! I'm guessing more than a few travelers hold similar opinions to her...
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:30 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
A few years ago I sat next to an Alabama woman who much to my surprise was flying into PNS rather than using MOB because she "didn't like the Mobile Airport". IIRC it wasn't in a convenient location - and it's not like PNS is right off the freeway! I'm guessing more than a few travelers hold similar opinions to her...

Its mainly because for a lot of the flights its cheaper enough to make the drive to PNS/GPT/MSY than to fly here out of MOB. Hopefully that's gonna change when its all moved here to BFM
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:35 pm

Awesome for northeast Wisconsin. I think it would be more beneficial if they did MCO rather then DEN. Wisconsiners love there Florida. But I get it, its their hub. Not the first time they flew GRB, hopefully this one lasts.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:01 pm

UWPAviation wrote:
Awesome for northeast Wisconsin. I think it would be more beneficial if they did MCO rather then DEN. Wisconsiners love there Florida. But I get it, its their hub. Not the first time they flew GRB, hopefully this one lasts.


If the GRB-DEN response is decent, I would not count out an Orlando announcement come this fall. Keep your fingers crossed.

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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:47 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
I’m thinking the reason (or one of them) they added Mobile is to put the airplanes coming off the assembly to good use instead of ferrying them empty to DEN.


Ferried empty to TPA where the interior is installed then typically ferried TPA-MCO for entry into service

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N34 ... /KBFM/KTPA
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N34 ... /KTPA/KMCO
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:43 pm

Hey Frontier how about showing Flint (FNT) a little love.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:54 am

Man, the dartboard really came out for this one. I guess BIL could work, but I'm not sure about the other ones. BFM and BTV seem like major WTF routes but maybe I'm wrong. GRB-DEN could probably work, but I would've expected it on UA using RJs for the route, not Airbii.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:59 am

N292UX wrote:
Man, the dartboard really came out for this one. I guess BIL could work, but I'm not sure about the other ones. BFM and BTV seem like major WTF routes but maybe I'm wrong. GRB-DEN could probably work, but I would've expected it on UA using RJs for the route, not Airbii.


To me BIL makes a ton of sense - the fares into/out of BIL except on G4 are ludicrous. BTV I'm sure is following the success of DEN-PWM last year (no reason it shouldn't do well too), and GRB doesn't seem far fetched given UA does ATW. BFM is the one that makes me scratch my head...
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:10 am

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slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
BTV could do well. The times are a little weird. Can't see any connections on the Eastbound flights. Who wants to leave DEN that early too, not too appealing for leisure travelers. If you were in Vail you would have to leave your condo at like 3am to make the flight.


It looks like the schedule is arranged so the return gets to DEN at a decent time. And PDEW between BTV and DEN is relatively high, so maybe connections don't matter too much.


Sleep wise these times are horrible, but connections do exist with Frontier's weird-hour redeyes from the west coast to DEN. There's a few more options on the return, but with 4 hour or so connections to most destinations. However, for the right price, people might do it.

F9 402 LAX 0059 - 0422 DEN
F9 790 PDX 0055 - 0427 DEN
F9 772 LAS 0130 - 0427 DEN
F9 662 SFO 0055 - 0429 DEN
F9 142 SEA 0055 - 0438 DEN
<<<connect to>>>
F9 126 DEN 0700 - 1243 BTV

F9 127 BTV 1550 - 1755 DEN
<<<connects to>>>
F9 771 DEN 1843 - 1939 LAS
F9 571 DEN 1857 - 2025 SLC
F9 143 DEN 2205 - 2359 SEA
F9 791 DEN 2206 - 2345 PDX
F9 403 DEN 2207 - 2339 LAX
F9 573 DEN 2208 - 2335 SLC
F9 751 DEN 2209 - 2259 PHX
F9 665 DEN 2210 - 2350 SFO
F9 773 DEN 2221 - 2320 LAS

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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:13 am

peak86 wrote:
N292UX wrote:
Man, the dartboard really came out for this one. I guess BIL could work, but I'm not sure about the other ones. BFM and BTV seem like major WTF routes but maybe I'm wrong. GRB-DEN could probably work, but I would've expected it on UA using RJs for the route, not Airbii.


To me BIL makes a ton of sense - the fares into/out of BIL except on G4 are ludicrous. BTV I'm sure is following the success of DEN-PWM last year (no reason it shouldn't do well too), and GRB doesn't seem far fetched given UA does ATW. BFM is the one that makes me scratch my head...

I definitely agree on BFM. DEN on a UA CRJ may work, but I'm not sure about that. What made them decide to do BFM instead of MOB?
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:34 am

N292UX wrote:
peak86 wrote:
N292UX wrote:
Man, the dartboard really came out for this one. I guess BIL could work, but I'm not sure about the other ones. BFM and BTV seem like major WTF routes but maybe I'm wrong. GRB-DEN could probably work, but I would've expected it on UA using RJs for the route, not Airbii.


To me BIL makes a ton of sense - the fares into/out of BIL except on G4 are ludicrous. BTV I'm sure is following the success of DEN-PWM last year (no reason it shouldn't do well too), and GRB doesn't seem far fetched given UA does ATW. BFM is the one that makes me scratch my head...

I definitely agree on BFM. DEN on a UA CRJ may work, but I'm not sure about that. What made them decide to do BFM instead of MOB?


BFM is better located than MOB to capture more potential passengers.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:00 am

BTV has made it clear that DEN is their most sought after new route, after MCO (which F9 just recently announced)...MCO looks to be doing good, even getting increased to 3x weekly, so makes sense to try the BTV market to DEN which actually has pretty decent PDEW.

Logical growth at BTV would be getting MCO year round and eventually daily and DEN year round. Then add N-S flights like TPA, RSW, etc.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:33 am

N292UX wrote:
Man, the dartboard really came out for this one. I guess BIL could work, but I'm not sure about the other ones. BFM and BTV seem like major WTF routes but maybe I'm wrong. GRB-DEN could probably work, but I would've expected it on UA using RJs for the route, not Airbii.


BTV isn't too big of a stretch. DEN-PWM was very successful. BTV is smaller than PWM but there's still plenty of tourist and leisure travel demand. Vermont is a big destination in the fall as well, so they might see good pax numbers well into October.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:31 am

hockyluv21 wrote:
BTV is an interesting add. It could do well, though I've always thought of VT more as a regional tourist destination.


Denver for is a very popular destination for Vermonters. I imagine F9 is looking at the Vermont customer market and their demand for flights to DEN rather than BTV as some sort of vacation destination.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:51 am

dabpit wrote:
Is Mobile (BFM) new?

BFM is Mobile Downtown, the old Brookley AFB. Also the home of the Airbus Aerplex Complex. A two-fer, Mobile has started trying to develop passenger service there, closer to town, and Frontier gets to ratate AC into Airbus.
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:59 am

knope2001 wrote:
TWA1985 wrote:
Could anyone see F9 starting ORD-GRB, too? It’s a route that is traditionally very expensive (albeit most people drive between the two cities, I’m assuming), but it would be interesting to see if an ULCC could succeed on this or a similar regional route.


Too short a market for leisure travelers -- it's barely three hours with decent traffic. It's a similar distance to Indy-Chicago, a market which doesn't generate all that much local traffic in spite of being much larger and having Southwest to Midway. I could sooner see them try something like IND-ORD but I doubt they'd find enough traffic unless average fare was under maybe $50. And even though Frontier certainly offers those fares as teasers they would lose their shirts if that was the average fare.

The never ending ORD delays due to programs would kill that kind of Frontier service, without connections.
 
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Re: New F9 Routes: BTV/BIL/BFM/GRB -DEN - 1/22/2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:03 am

dumbell2424 wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
I’m thinking the reason (or one of them) they added Mobile is to put the airplanes coming off the assembly to good use instead of ferrying them empty to DEN.


Ferried empty to TPA where the interior is installed then typically ferried TPA-MCO for entry into service

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N34 ... /KBFM/KTPA
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N34 ... /KTPA/KMCO
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N34 ... /KMCO/KONT

New MRO facility opening at Aeroplex, as well.

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