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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:57 am

Pbb152 wrote:
berari wrote:
YoungDon wrote:
Looks like a good schedule for connections out of LFW. Here's to hoping it works out, 3x weekly should be very doable.


LFW doesn't have much in terms of inbound flights from the region. Unless ASKY is gearing up to update its schedule, no short connection out of LFW to IAH exists (I would have expected this flight to be timed with LOS and ABV, at the very least.) Were it a morning flight out of ADD, it could have followed the same pattern as EWR flights, but aircraft would require an overnight in IAH.


I’m certainly no expert on ET or ASKY ops, but as someone originally from Houston I just don’t think LFW is the best option for the connection point. I’ll be interested to see how this route performs.


From an O&D perspective, I agree. But LFW is the best bet for connections.
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:42 am

How is Lome airport?

How it ET as a airline compared to ME3, and Euro Carriers?
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:00 am

Any idea if ET would consider any other US cities?
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:05 am

n2dru wrote:
Any idea if ET would consider any other US cities?


I can see SEA, DTW, and PHL next. Though How much traffic can get ET get? Their hub isn't DXB or IST, which is well placed compared to ADD.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:17 am

LH658 wrote:
n2dru wrote:
Any idea if ET would consider any other US cities?


I can see SEA, DTW, and PHL next. Though How much traffic can get ET get? Their hub isn't DXB or IST, which is well placed compared to ADD.


Wonder if they would want to go up against DL and add ATL? I agree their hub isn't DXB or IST but maybe they aren't after just VFR traffic but sub Saharan Africa traffic as well.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:18 pm

Surprised not via ACC with the new venture ET been trying to set up in Accra.
They could do the same they done with SAA, connect local traffic via Africa world airlines.

Their LFW-LAX failed, i believed they moved some of their NYC to ABJ instead of LFW where passengers connect with Air Cote D'Ivoire.
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:01 pm

This new IAH flight will be heavily dependant on LOS and a little bit of JNB to feed it.

For LOS pax they would fly via ADD-LFW to get to IAH whilst on the way back it is IAH-LFW-LOS with the connections available.

The sad part about this is due to the amount of back tracking involved from LOS, no high yielding J class corporate pax would fly them. Majority would still opt for DL via ATL or BA/LH/AF/KL via EU.

As I’ve always stated before if ET lobbied hard to get LOS-IAH 5th freedom traffic rights then the route would prosper but now with such a schedule on offer, I do not foresee this being the case.

FYI Nigeria-IAH p2p demand is greater than South Africa+NBO+ADD+DAR+EBB demand combined.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:11 pm

behramjee wrote:
This new IAH flight will be heavily dependant on LOS and a little bit of JNB to feed it.

For LOS pax they would fly via ADD-LFW to get to IAH whilst on the way back it is IAH-LFW-LOS with the connections available.

The sad part about this is due to the amount of back tracking involved from LOS, no high yielding J class corporate pax would fly them. Majority would still opt for DL via ATL or BA/LH/AF/KL via EU.

As I’ve always stated before if ET lobbied hard to get LOS-IAH 5th freedom traffic rights then the route would prosper but now with such a schedule on offer, I do not foresee this being the case.

FYI Nigeria-IAH p2p demand is greater than South Africa+NBO+ADD+DAR+EBB demand combined.


You do realize Lome to Lagos is a 1 hr flight?

Though only issue I see is the Connections to Lome, as of right now Lagos and Abuja to Lome, leave from 1 to 3 pm, just one or 2 time daily flights. Leaving long lay overs in Lome.
IAH - LFW - LOS/ABV isn't a long lay over.

How does ET service compare to the Euro 3 carriers, and Delta? How is the airport, lounge, and transit in Lome?

I wonder how UA will welcome this?

If they couldn't get Lagos, they should have just stuck to Accra, their traffic between Houston and Accra, it nothing compared to Lome, though plenty flights between Accra, and Nigeria.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:16 pm

They should realign the connection flights, out of Lome to make attractive connections making connections for 4 hours max both ways, should consider adding SSG and PHC.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:55 pm

LH658 wrote:
How is Lome airport?

How it ET as a airline compared to ME3, and Euro Carriers?


LFW very new, albeit small. Perfectly comfortable. Lounge is perfectly fine. Think of a smaller UIO.

I personally think ET is great in J. ADD not the next, though.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:02 pm

LH658 wrote:
They should realign the connection flights, out of Lome to make attractive connections making connections for 4 hours max both ways, should consider adding SSG and PHC.


Wel send them 5 or so more aircraft and I’m sure they’d be happy to oblige.

Don’t be surprised if they send you a bill for the operating subsidy for scheduling a flight solely to carry 5 people to SSG and other destinations as well.

You do realize you can’t fill a fleet of Q400s or 73Gs overnight with connecting traffic from a single 787, right?
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:00 pm

LH658 wrote:
behramjee wrote:
This new IAH flight will be heavily dependant on LOS and a little bit of JNB to feed it.

For LOS pax they would fly via ADD-LFW to get to IAH whilst on the way back it is IAH-LFW-LOS with the connections available.

The sad part about this is due to the amount of back tracking involved from LOS, no high yielding J class corporate pax would fly them. Majority would still opt for DL via ATL or BA/LH/AF/KL via EU.

As I’ve always stated before if ET lobbied hard to get LOS-IAH 5th freedom traffic rights then the route would prosper but now with such a schedule on offer, I do not foresee this being the case.

FYI Nigeria-IAH p2p demand is greater than South Africa+NBO+ADD+DAR+EBB demand combined.


You do realize Lome to Lagos is a 1 hr flight?

Though only issue I see is the Connections to Lome, as of right now Lagos and Abuja to Lome, leave from 1 to 3 pm, just one or 2 time daily flights. Leaving long lay overs in Lome.
IAH - LFW - LOS/ABV isn't a long lay over.

How does ET service compare to the Euro 3 carriers, and Delta? How is the airport, lounge, and transit in Lome?

I wonder how UA will welcome this?

If they couldn't get Lagos, they should have just stuck to Accra, their traffic between Houston and Accra, it nothing compared to Lome, though plenty flights between Accra, and Nigeria.


Yes I do know that LOS LFW is a one hour flight but LOS IAH doesn’t connect via LFW !

LOS pax flying ET to IAH have to fly LOS-ADD-LFW-IAH and on the way back IAH-LFW-LOS. Therefore it is the outbound sector from LOS which is the most cumbersome and detrimental for ET to attract decent traffic volume on this new route.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:04 pm

LH658 wrote:
They should realign the connection flights, out of Lome to make attractive connections making connections for 4 hours max both ways, should consider adding SSG and PHC


Demand from SSG to IAH is less than 7000 pax per year. This is not a good idea at all as your proposed new flight will solely be dependent on feeding IAH as there are no late night LFW Africa departures !

ET has a LFW EWR flight departing LFW at 1300-1400 which is the main departure hub wave bank so for IAH to do well it’s schedule needs to be similar to EWR.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:39 am

n2dru wrote:
LH658 wrote:
n2dru wrote:
Any idea if ET would consider any other US cities?


I can see SEA, DTW, and PHL next. Though How much traffic can get ET get? Their hub isn't DXB or IST, which is well placed compared to ADD.


Wonder if they would want to go up against DL and add ATL? I agree their hub isn't DXB or IST but maybe they aren't after just VFR traffic but sub Saharan Africa traffic as well.


SEA DTW and PHL? How? What feed and purpose would they have there?

ATL is a strong source of traffic for ADD bound pax, though I doubt ET would make it there soon. To date, ET's expansions in Europe and North America have been focused on Star hubs. With UA, what's left is DEN and SFO (LAX, if that's still considered a UA spot, didn't do so well.)

soups wrote:
Surprised not via ACC with the new venture ET been trying to set up in Accra.
They could do the same they done with SAA, connect local traffic via Africa world airlines.

Their LFW-LAX failed, i believed they moved some of their NYC to ABJ instead of LFW where passengers connect with Air Cote D'Ivoire.


ACC has yet to materialize on any level, let alone setting up long haul service with no feed. If ACC does happen, I would expect the long hauls to be to Europe and possibly JNB first. I also understand that their agreement with Ghana is to setup a local airline, and instead of AWA they'd use that to feed any future long hauls.

LFW-LAX was a last ditch attempt to salvage service to LAX. And it must have hurt. The switch was quick, and the traffic is just not there. ET had entered the DUB-LAX market with a big bang including support from DUB based entities. LFW doesn't have that, neither does West Africa.

NYC flights from ABJ were in addition of those from LFW. ET had operated to EWR out of LFW for a while, but the agreement with Air Cote D'Ivoire and its feed at ABJ made it compelling. I believe there's O&D traffic from ABJ to NYC that supports this traffic. From ABJ it now flies into JFK while LFW goes into EWR. Maybe one day we will see both going daily (wishful thinking of course.) I understand that ET had always wanted to go into JFK given the concentration of African diaspora around JFK but slot restrictions have not allowed it.

ET is not shy about moving services from one city to another. If in the future ACC grows to be a bigger hub with an ET-affiliated airline, ET will move some flights to it. If the IAD-bound flight frequency increases are of any indication, we may see ET further expanding to IAD and other US destinations via any of its affiliate's hubs.

behramjee wrote:
This new IAH flight will be heavily dependant on LOS and a little bit of JNB to feed it.

For LOS pax they would fly via ADD-LFW to get to IAH whilst on the way back it is IAH-LFW-LOS with the connections available.

The sad part about this is due to the amount of back tracking involved from LOS, no high yielding J class corporate pax would fly them. Majority would still opt for DL via ATL or BA/LH/AF/KL via EU.

As I’ve always stated before if ET lobbied hard to get LOS-IAH 5th freedom traffic rights then the route would prosper but now with such a schedule on offer, I do not foresee this being the case.

FYI Nigeria-IAH p2p demand is greater than South Africa+NBO+ADD+DAR+EBB demand combined.


No doubt about LOS being a strong source of IAH-bound flights. However, I doubt that ET would sell tickets for LOS-ADD-LFW-IAH. What I expect to see, if at all possible, is for KP to have a second flight in and out of LOS that meets the IAH-bound flight at LFW. LOS is a highly competitive market with hard products on offer that are much better than that of ET's. ET can only compete on convenience and price here.

Re: lobbying I am sure ET has poked around and attempted to do so. Its large presence in Nigerian skies is already contested by locals, it'll have to tread carefully.

LH658 wrote:
They should realign the connection flights, out of Lome to make attractive connections making connections for 4 hours max both ways, should consider adding SSG and PHC.


I think there's more to come. Either ET is going to adjust the schedules or KP is going to add new flights.

ET's flights to USA via West Africa are just not right timed. Event the NYC flights arrive at ADD very late, not allowing for ample connection time from ABJ/LFW to Middle Eastern and East African destinations like they used to. And with delays at EWR mostly, the flights arrived at ADD late a lot. But I also understand that there are multiple constraints including making two hubs work, and slots at NYC.

Now imagine ET doing a triangle route to NYC (I am allowed to dream:) ADD-NYC-ABJ/LFW-ADD and ADD-ABJ/LFW-NYC-ADD. I am not looking to start the hot high debates and comments here, and if that's an issue, throw in ADD-DUB-NYC!
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:30 am

A couple of things have happened:
1. ET has adjusted its schedule to Houston as follows:
- Outbound will leave ADD at 2145 as originally scheduled via LFW
- Inbound will arrive in ADD at 1430, meeting the afternoon bank instead of arriving after the evening bank with no prospect for connections
- Inbound will see flight arrive at LFW at 0500

2. KP (ASKY) has added three new weekly flights to Lagos that will connect with the to/from IAH flight specifically

3. No other new KP flights exist, only the new LOS flight is set to connect with IAH
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Wed May 29, 2019 10:13 pm

Latest changes to ET schedule see
- the postponement of the IAH route launch to December
- the three weekly flights to IAD via ABJ have been removed from the schedule, these were in addition to the current daily ADD-DUB-IAD-ADD service
- the service to YYZ has reverted to a B77L through October instead of the A350 we have seen for the last few weeks
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Thu May 30, 2019 12:58 am

berari wrote:
Latest changes to ET schedule see
- the postponement of the IAH route launch to December
- the three weekly flights to IAD via ABJ have been removed from the schedule, these were in addition to the current daily ADD-DUB-IAD-ADD service
- the service to YYZ has reverted to a B77L through October instead of the A350 we have seen for the last few weeks

source ?
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Thu May 30, 2019 1:29 am

iadadd wrote:
berari wrote:
Latest changes to ET schedule see
- the postponement of the IAH route launch to December
- the three weekly flights to IAD via ABJ have been removed from the schedule, these were in addition to the current daily ADD-DUB-IAD-ADD service
- the service to YYZ has reverted to a B77L through October instead of the A350 we have seen for the last few weeks

source ?


Well, I know the one about IAH is for sure true.
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Thu May 30, 2019 1:46 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
iadadd wrote:
berari wrote:
Latest changes to ET schedule see
- the postponement of the IAH route launch to December
- the three weekly flights to IAD via ABJ have been removed from the schedule, these were in addition to the current daily ADD-DUB-IAD-ADD service
- the service to YYZ has reverted to a B77L through October instead of the A350 we have seen for the last few weeks

source ?


Well, I know the one about IAH is for sure true.


Due to the uncertainty about when the max will be back in service I assume?
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Thu May 30, 2019 1:49 am

berari wrote:
Latest changes to ET schedule see
- the postponement of the IAH route launch to December
- the three weekly flights to IAD via ABJ have been removed from the schedule, these were in addition to the current daily ADD-DUB-IAD-ADD service
- the service to YYZ has reverted to a B77L through October instead of the A350 we have seen for the last few weeks


The withdrawal of IAD being increased is 100% true as I checked on Sabre and Amadeus today morning and the additional 3 weekly flights effective 20JUN-19 have all been deleted for sale.

This frees up 2 B788s for the summer season (1 each from IAH 3wk + ABJ-IAD 3wk) which will help negate the effect on the network of grounding 4 B737-MAX8s. Its much better upgrading some popular intra-Africa and Middle Eastern flights to the B788 versus losing a lot of money launching new long haul routes.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:23 pm

Inaugural flight just took off from LFW, scheduled to land around 7:30 tonight, Houston time. Too bad I'm not back in town until later this week - would have definitely been nice to see it.

Good for the airport to get back into the six continent club as well.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:20 pm

YoungDon wrote:
Inaugural flight just took off from LFW, scheduled to land around 7:30 tonight, Houston time. Too bad I'm not back in town until later this week - would have definitely been nice to see it.

Good for the airport to get back into the six continent club as well.

Well, good luck, but it is doomed to fail. If LA can not make the service work, what shot does Houston have? They'd been wiser to serve BOS.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:32 pm

bravotango75 wrote:
YoungDon wrote:
Inaugural flight just took off from LFW, scheduled to land around 7:30 tonight, Houston time. Too bad I'm not back in town until later this week - would have definitely been nice to see it.

Good for the airport to get back into the six continent club as well.

Well, good luck, but it is doomed to fail. If LA can not make the service work, what shot does Houston have? They'd been wiser to serve BOS.

IAH is a more premium route than LAX and BOS to Africa, due to the energy sector. Plus, Houston has a larger diaspora than BOS, so IAH has more potential than both cities.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:39 pm

bravotango75 wrote:
YoungDon wrote:
Inaugural flight just took off from LFW, scheduled to land around 7:30 tonight, Houston time. Too bad I'm not back in town until later this week - would have definitely been nice to see it.

Good for the airport to get back into the six continent club as well.

Well, good luck, but it is doomed to fail. If LA can not make the service work, what shot does Houston have? They'd been wiser to serve BOS.


Why BOS? The Houston MSA is two million people bigger than the BOS MSA and has more business ties to Africa than BOS both in Medical services and Energy, plus a star alliance hub and a smiliar diaspora though Texas as a whole has a much larger diaspora than New England for Ethiopians not that they drive a flight. Houston is more diverse than BOS so not surprising.
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:44 pm

bravotango75 wrote:
YoungDon wrote:
Inaugural flight just took off from LFW, scheduled to land around 7:30 tonight, Houston time. Too bad I'm not back in town until later this week - would have definitely been nice to see it.

Good for the airport to get back into the six continent club as well.

Well, good luck, but it is doomed to fail. If LA can not make the service work, what shot does Houston have? They'd been wiser to serve BOS.


Let's see, LA is a longer route with weaker West African traffic and minimal oil/energy connections. The only thing it has over Houston is a larger Ethiopian diaspora, and that's not really what this flight is meant to serve (as there's tons of existing one-stop options to Addis from both LA and Houston).

And for the life of me, I can't think of one good reason they would even consider serving BOS - perhaps you can enlighten me.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:00 pm

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Really wish it was routed via Lagos, Abuja, Port Harcourt, and Accra, though Lome is always welcomed. Pleased to hear it official.


Those are probably large enough markets in their own right that ET has serve them with dedicated flights. Lome is a much smaller city.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:53 pm

Interesting that the first flight is on a 789 instead of the 788. ET does sub frequently so this isn't really that surprising I suppose, but an upgauge right out the gate isn't a bad thing to see. I find it hard to believe that they can't make this work 3x per week.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:50 pm

Airlines0613 wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
YoungDon wrote:
Inaugural flight just took off from LFW, scheduled to land around 7:30 tonight, Houston time. Too bad I'm not back in town until later this week - would have definitely been nice to see it.

Good for the airport to get back into the six continent club as well.

Well, good luck, but it is doomed to fail. If LA can not make the service work, what shot does Houston have? They'd been wiser to serve BOS.

IAH is a more premium route than LAX and BOS to Africa, due to the energy sector. Plus, Houston has a larger diaspora than BOS, so IAH has more potential than both cities.


IAH may be larger, but it is NOT more premium than BOS. IAH has no service to Western Africa and BOS has service to both RAI and CMN.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:20 am

jakeroberts212 wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
Well, good luck, but it is doomed to fail. If LA can not make the service work, what shot does Houston have? They'd been wiser to serve BOS.

IAH is a more premium route than LAX and BOS to Africa, due to the energy sector. Plus, Houston has a larger diaspora than BOS, so IAH has more potential than both cities.


IAH may be larger, but it is NOT more premium than BOS. IAH has no service to Western Africa and BOS has service to both RAI and CMN.

IAH has a lot more premium markets than BOS by a long shot.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:21 am

bravotango75 wrote:
YoungDon wrote:
Inaugural flight just took off from LFW, scheduled to land around 7:30 tonight, Houston time. Too bad I'm not back in town until later this week - would have definitely been nice to see it.

Good for the airport to get back into the six continent club as well.

Well, good luck, but it is doomed to fail. If LA can not make the service work, what shot does Houston have? They'd been wiser to serve BOS.


You lost me at BOS. If you look at ET's expansions to US and European as well as South American cities, it has been centred around Star Alliance hubs. UA has helped it in IAD, ORD, EWR. AC is there at YYZ. At LAX, ET was on its own, they only thing they had going for them was the 5th freedom from DUB and when that was pulled by Irish authorities, it was no longer sensible. IAH not only gives a Star hub, but also the African diaspora traffic that will make it more successful than LAX or any other remaining city in the US.

YoungDon wrote:
Interesting that the first flight is on a 789 instead of the 788. ET does sub frequently so this isn't really that surprising I suppose, but an upgauge right out the gate isn't a bad thing to see. I find it hard to believe that they can't make this work 3x per week.


It's a first for a new destination in recent times, to see the 789 deployed. If you look at seats out of IAH tomorrow on the same aircraft, you'll see why the larger aircraft is used. Most seats in Y are filled.

Of particular interest is that ASKY flights from Lome to Lagos are fully booked in Y all next week and beyond.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:01 am

Airlines0613 wrote:
jakeroberts212 wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
IAH is a more premium route than LAX and BOS to Africa, due to the energy sector. Plus, Houston has a larger diaspora than BOS, so IAH has more potential than both cities.


IAH may be larger, but it is NOT more premium than BOS. IAH has no service to Western Africa and BOS has service to both RAI and CMN.

IAH has a lot more premium markets than BOS by a long shot.


More premium markets by a long shot?

You clearly have no clue what constitutes a premium market. Let me give you examples:

ZRH - no IAH
HKG - no IAH
PVG - no IAH

BOS has non-stop to ALL THREE!

So aside from SYD - name one premium market IAH has that BOS doesn’t. So where from IAH is more premium than what BOS already has???
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:22 am

jakeroberts212 wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
jakeroberts212 wrote:

IAH may be larger, but it is NOT more premium than BOS. IAH has no service to Western Africa and BOS has service to both RAI and CMN.

IAH has a lot more premium markets than BOS by a long shot.


More premium markets by a long shot?

You clearly have no clue what constitutes a premium market. Let me give you examples:

ZRH - no IAH
HKG - no IAH
PVG - no IAH

BOS has non-stop to ALL THREE!

So aside from SYD - name one premium market IAH has that BOS doesn’t. So where from IAH is more premium than what BOS already has???

There’s a ton more domestic and international service that BOS doesn’t have. There’s a reason why IAH is one of the largest hubs in the US, while BOS isn’t. There are also a lot more business class seats available at IAH than BOS and don’t get me started with the vast amount of destinations that are served at IAH, but lack in BOS. Most are there because of the energy and medical sector.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:09 am

bravotango75 wrote:
They'd been wiser to serve BOS.


Better than BOS would have been MSP.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:15 am

Airlines0613 wrote:
jakeroberts212 wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
IAH has a lot more premium markets than BOS by a long shot.


More premium markets by a long shot?

You clearly have no clue what constitutes a premium market. Let me give you examples:

ZRH - no IAH
HKG - no IAH
PVG - no IAH

BOS has non-stop to ALL THREE!

So aside from SYD - name one premium market IAH has that BOS doesn’t. So where from IAH is more premium than what BOS already has???

There’s a ton more domestic and international service that BOS doesn’t have. There’s a reason why IAH is one of the largest hubs in the US, while BOS isn’t. There are also a lot more business class seats available at IAH than BOS and don’t get me started with the vast amount of destinations that are served at IAH, but lack in BOS. Most are there because of the energy and medical sector.


Please enlighten us as to what premium routes IAH has that BOS doesn’t aside from the one I already listed - SYD.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:56 pm

jakeroberts212 wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
jakeroberts212 wrote:

More premium markets by a long shot?

You clearly have no clue what constitutes a premium market. Let me give you examples:

ZRH - no IAH
HKG - no IAH
PVG - no IAH

BOS has non-stop to ALL THREE!

So aside from SYD - name one premium market IAH has that BOS doesn’t. So where from IAH is more premium than what BOS already has???

There’s a ton more domestic and international service that BOS doesn’t have. There’s a reason why IAH is one of the largest hubs in the US, while BOS isn’t. There are also a lot more business class seats available at IAH than BOS and don’t get me started with the vast amount of destinations that are served at IAH, but lack in BOS. Most are there because of the energy and medical sector.


Please enlighten us as to what premium routes IAH has that BOS doesn’t aside from the one I already listed - SYD.


Yeah. While I agree that IAH is definitely better for a route to West Africa than BOS, I dont agree that IAH has more premium markets at all. The two areas that IAH outshines BOS are Latin America and Oceania and I dont know that Id call any market in Latin America premium outside MEX and GRU. Maybe SCL?
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK THE PAYWALL!!!!
 
zakuivcustom
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Somehow this turn into BOS vs. IAH...when they are two totally different market.

I mean, PVG and HKG? Of course BOS had them with the much larger O&D to/from China (East Asia in general...JL and KE is also in that market). ZRH? Well, that's b/c BOS is on the Northeast which is a much shorter flights to/from Europe?

The premium demand are also different - BOS is mostly financial service related traffic, while IAH is mostly oil & gas related traffic. Not exactly comparable.

Lastly, Greater Houston has a HUGE West African population, much larger than you think. Those Nigerians or Ghanaians or even Ethiopians are also professionals that would be living like a king (or...a Nigerian prince :duck: ) in Africa, and many are fairly well off.

P.S. Glad to see ET finally starting the IAH flight after it was delayed multiple times.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:30 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Lastly, Greater Houston has a HUGE West African population, much larger than you think. Those Nigerians or Ghanaians or even Ethiopians are also professionals that would be living like a king (or...a Nigerian prince :duck: ) in Africa, and many are fairly well off.

P.S. Glad to see ET finally starting the IAH flight after it was delayed multiple times.


Also glad to see it start up again. The only drawback here is the 21 hours the aircraft will be on the ground at IAH. It's the longest of any ET flights/aircraft with scheduled down time.

The delay in starting up this service was related to this, where the initial schedule pointed to a quicker turnaround. However, it's arrival back at LFW would not be met with a bank of ASKY flights. In fact, even the outbound from ADD was not to be met by a bank of ASKY flights which would have made this service a failure without the necessary West African feed. If and when ASKY does add additional banks at LFW (dependent on aircraft, schedules, traffic rights,) I see the schedules for IAH changing.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:37 pm

B747-437B wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
They'd been wiser to serve BOS.


Better than BOS would have been MSP.


Adding fuel to fire ... but I get you.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:07 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
jakeroberts212 wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
There’s a ton more domestic and international service that BOS doesn’t have. There’s a reason why IAH is one of the largest hubs in the US, while BOS isn’t. There are also a lot more business class seats available at IAH than BOS and don’t get me started with the vast amount of destinations that are served at IAH, but lack in BOS. Most are there because of the energy and medical sector.


Please enlighten us as to what premium routes IAH has that BOS doesn’t aside from the one I already listed - SYD.


Yeah. While I agree that IAH is definitely better for a route to West Africa than BOS, I dont agree that IAH has more premium markets at all. The two areas that IAH outshines BOS are Latin America and Oceania and I dont know that Id call any market in Latin America premium outside MEX and GRU. Maybe SCL?

Most small Mexican cities served from IAH tend to cater the premium demand from the oil sector. Most fly with Business Class always full. Then you also have SIN and MAN, which both tend to fly with business class sold out. DXB and DOH are also very premium to the point that EK and QR send larger aircraft solely because their business class sells out, even though their economy isn’t always full, especially in EK.

I can agree that there are certain sectors where BOS triumphs. Although overall, IAH is a larger premium market, especially internationally. It may not serve more premium markets, but I can bet you that it sells more premium seats than BOS annually.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:05 pm

BOS doesn’t stand a chance since ET can’t even a fill a plane 4x a week to EWR, a major UA hub.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:38 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
BOS doesn’t stand a chance since ET can’t even a fill a plane 4x a week to EWR, a major UA hub.


So then how does IAH or ORD stand a chance?
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:57 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
... ET can’t even a fill a plane 4x a week to EWR, a major UA hub.


No wonder if you see the sky-high airfare UA charges on the codeshares. United isn't interested in helping ET, UA wants people to fly their JV partners like LH.
Thus, ET should consider JFK and sign a deal with JetBlue.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:07 pm

Blerg wrote:
I am not surprised IAD is doing well. It's a Star Alliance hub plus there are a lot of Ethiopians living in the area.


If the composition of the United lounge staff is an indication of how many Ethiopians there are near IAD/DCA...
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:45 pm

jakeroberts212 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
BOS doesn’t stand a chance since ET can’t even a fill a plane 4x a week to EWR, a major UA hub.


So then how does IAH or ORD stand a chance?


They really don’t. But yet again those are both UA hubs, BOS is irrelevant.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:46 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
... ET can’t even a fill a plane 4x a week to EWR, a major UA hub.


No wonder if you see the sky-high airfare UA charges on the codeshares. United isn't interested in helping ET, UA wants people to fly their JV partners like LH.
Thus, ET should consider JFK and sign a deal with JetBlue.


UA is not DL and actually does a large share of the flying themselves, hence why they are flying 2x FRA - EWR and LH is staying at 1x.
 
YoungDon
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:40 pm

WorldFlier wrote:
Blerg wrote:
I am not surprised IAD is doing well. It's a Star Alliance hub plus there are a lot of Ethiopians living in the area.


If the composition of the United lounge staff is an indication of how many Ethiopians there are near IAD/DCA...


DC area has the largest Ethiopian population in the country I believe. I wouldn't be surprised if IAD has the most demand to ADD of any city in the Americas.
 
COflyerBOS
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:46 am

As a Houstonian who has lived in Boston since 1997, ignore the troll. Enjoyed HAS’ video of the arrival. What a great looking livery. Hope to see it on one of my frequent tris back home.
 
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Re: Ethiopian announces Houston + more USA expansion

Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:32 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
IAH has premium energy traffic to west Africa plus a huge West African population. BOS has neither. BOS’s African diaspora is almost entirely from Cape Verde.


If only ET is allow to do BOS-SID-ADD :scratchchin: :scratchchin: . Well, either that or ET can invest in TACV.

Kidding aside, with ET being willing to seat their plane at IAH for 21 hours, ET probably figure that being able to capture the West African (Chiefly Nigerian) traffic to/from IAH (and to lesser extent, rest of Texas i.e. Metroplex) is important, with the flight timed to specifically provide connections at LFW.

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Ummm...Houston wasnt wrecked in 2008. It was the best economically preforming city in the country in 2008. Every other city in the US was wrecked then. Houston struggled in 2015-2016. The reason it moved up is because they city and our economy grew. This posts shows you dont know anything about the city.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenergy/2 ... 60828f55db

This article sums up the situation better than I ever will do.

Yes, 2015-2016 was bad for Houston, but even then, the city didn't went into full 1980s oil bust mode (With its effect still seen today...cough...Gulfton and Gunspoint...)

And I second you about 2008 - Metro areas in Texas (Houston/DFW/Austin/SA) are more or less immune to the housing crisis, at least compare to the rest of the country, thanks to a general growth of Texas economy around that time.

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