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OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:46 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

7H AKN-ANC MAR 0.8>0.2[0.9] APR 0.9>0.2[0.9] MAY 0.9>0.2[1.0] JUN 0.8>0.2[1.5] JUL 0.9>0.2[1.3] AUG 0.9>0.2[1.1] SEP 0.9>0.2[0.9]
7H AKN-DLG MAR 0.8>0.2[0.9] APR 0.9>0.2[0.9] MAY 0.9>0.2[0.9] JUN 0.8>0.2[0.7] JUL 0.9>0.2[0.7] AUG 0.9>0.2[0.9] SEP 0.9>0.2[0.9]
7H ANC-DLG MAR 0.8>0.2[0.9] APR 0.9>0.2[0.9] MAY 0.9>0.2[1.0] JUN 0.8>0.2[1.3] JUL 0.9>0.2[1.3] AUG 0.9>0.2[1.1] SEP 0.9>0.2[0.9]

9X BNA-MEM MAY 0>0.9[1.0] JUN 0>0.8[1.0] JUL 0>0.9[1.0] AUG 0>0.8[1.3] SEP 0>0.9[1.3] OCT 0>0.9[1.2]
9X BWI-DUJ MAY 0>1.3[2] JUN 0>1.3[2] JUL 0>1.3[2] AUG 0>1.3[2] SEP 0>1.3[2] OCT 0>1.3[2]
9X BWI-LNS MAY 0>1.8[1.9] JUL 0>1.8[1.9] AUG 0>1.8[1.9] OCT 0>1.8[1.9]
9X DFW-ELD MAY 0>2[3] JUN 0>2[3] JUL 0>2[3] AUG 0>2[3] SEP 0>2[3] OCT 0>2[3]
9X DFW-HRO FEB 2>1.6[1.6] MAY 0>0.9[1.6] JUN 0>0.9[1.6] JUL 0>0.9[1.6] AUG 0>0.9[1.7] SEP 0>0.9[1.7] OCT 0>0.9[1.7]
9X DUJ-PIT MAY 0>2[3] JUN 0>2[3] JUL 0>2[3] AUG 0>2[3] SEP 0>2[3] OCT 0>2[3]
*9X EYW-PBI MAY 0>1.3[0] JUN 0>1.3[0] JUL 0>1.3[0] AUG 0>1.3[0] SEP 0>1.3[0] OCT 0>1.3[0]
9X FKL-PIT MAY 0>2[3] JUN 0>2[3] JUL 0>2[3] AUG 0>2[3] SEP 0>2[3] OCT 0>2[3]
9X MDT-PIT MAR 0>0.7[1.7] APR 0>0.7[1.7] MAY 0>0.7[1.7] JUN 0>0.7[1.7] JUL 0>0.7[1.7] AUG 0>0.7[1.7] SEP 0>0.7[1.5] OCT 0>0.7[0.9]
*9X PBI-TPA MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0] JUL 0>2[0] AUG 0>2[0] SEP 0>2[0] OCT 0>2[0]

AA ABQ-PHX JUN 4>5[4] JUL 4>5[5] AUG 4>5[4]
AA ANU-JFK JUN 0.7>0.9[0.7] AUG 0.7>1.0[0.7]
AA ANU-MIA SEP 1.0>0.1[1.0] OCT 1.9>0.9[1.0]
AA ATL-ORD JUL 6>5[5] AUG 6>5[6] SEP 6>5[5] OCT 6>5[5]
AA AUA-PHL SEP 0.7>0.3[0.3] OCT 0.7>0.3[0.6]
*AA AVL-DFW MAY 0>0.9[0] JUN 0>1.0[0.1] JUL 0>1.0[0.1] AUG 0>1.0[0.1] SEP 0>1.0[0] OCT 0>1.0[0]
AA BDA-PHL SEP 1.0>0.8[0.7]
AA BHM-DFW JUN 6>7[6] JUL 6>7[6] AUG 6>7[6] SEP 6>7[5] OCT 6>7[5]
AA BNA-ORD JUL 8>9[9] AUG 8>9[9] SEP 8>9[8]
AA BON-MIA SEP 0.6>0.2[0.2]
AA BZE-MIA SEP 2>1.1[2] OCT 2>1.0[2]
AA CAK-ORD JUN 3>2[3] JUL 3>2[3] AUG 3>2[2] SEP 3>2[1.7] OCT 3>2[3]
AA CAP-MIA SEP 1.0>0.6[1.0] OCT 1.0>0.6[1.0]
AA CLT-NAS OCT 1.5>2[1.9]
AA CLT-PLS SEP 0.7>0.2[0.2] OCT 0.9>0.1[0.1]
AA CLT-STT SEP 0.4>0.1[0] OCT 0.4>0.1[0]
AA CLT-SXM AUG 1.6>2[0] SEP 1.0>0.3[0] OCT 0.8>0.1[0]
AA COS-DFW JUL 5>6[5]
AA CUN-JFK SEP 1.0>0.2[1.0] OCT 1.0>0.1[1.0]
AA CUN-MIA JUN 6>5[6] JUL 6>5[6]
AA CUN-PHX AUG 0.9>1.3[1.5] SEP 0.7>0.4[1.1] OCT 1.1>0.4[1.1]
AA CZM-DFW OCT 1.1>0.8[1.1]
AA CZM-MIA OCT 0.9>0.7[1.0]
AA DCA-DFW JUL 9>10[9] AUG 9>10[9] SEP 9>10[8] OCT 9>10[8]
AA DEN-ORD JUL 4>5[5] AUG 4>5[5] SEP 4>5[5]
AA DFW-GDL SEP 3>2[2] OCT 3>2[2]
AA DFW-JAN JUN 6>7[6] JUL 6>7[6] AUG 6>7[6] SEP 6>7[6] OCT 6>7[6]
AA DFW-JLN JUN 2>3[2] JUL 2>3[3] AUG 2>3[2] SEP 2>3[2.0] OCT 2>3[2]
AA DFW-MOB JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3] AUG 3>4[3] SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3]
AA DFW-MSY JUN 8>9[8] JUL 8>9[8] AUG 8>9[7] SEP 8>9[7] OCT 8>9[7]
AA DFW-PNS JUN 5>6[5] JUL 5>6[5] AUG 5>6[4] SEP 5>6[4] OCT 5>6[4]
AA DFW-PVR SEP 2>1.1[1.0] OCT 3>1.9[1.9]
AA DFW-QRO SEP 3>2[2] OCT 3>1.8[2]
AA DFW-SHV APR 6>7[5]
AA DFW-SLP SEP 3>2[2] OCT 3>1.8[2]
*AA DLH-ORD MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>2[0] JUL 0>2[0] AUG 0>2[0] SEP 0>2[0] OCT 0>2[0]
AA ELH-MIA OCT 0.6>0[0]
AA FAT-PHX JUN 5>6[5] JUL 5>6[5] AUG 5>6[5]
AA FDF-MIA JUN 0.3>0.8[0.3] AUG 0.6>1.0[0.7]
AA FLL-ORD MAY 2>1.1[1.9] JUN 2>1.0[2] JUL 2>1.0[1.9] AUG 2>1.0[1.6] SEP 2>1.0[1.0]
AA FPO-MIA SEP 2>1.1[2] OCT 2>1.0[2]
AA HPN-ORD JUN 2>3[3] JUL 2>3[3] AUG 2>3[3] SEP 2>3[2]
AA LSE-ORD JUN 3>4[4] SEP 3>4[3]
AA MDE-MIA SEP 2>1.1[2] OCT 2>1.0[2]
AA MHK-ORD JUN 2>3[2] JUL 2>3[3] AUG 2>3[2] SEP 2>3[2.0] OCT 2>3[2]
AA MIA-PAP SEP 3>2[2] OCT 3>2[2]
AA MIA-PLS SEP 3>2[3]
AA MIA-PTY JUN 3>2[3] JUL 3>2[3] AUG 3>2[3] SEP 3>2[3] OCT 3>2[3]
AA MIA-SAP SEP 2>1.1[1.0] OCT 1.8>1.0[1.0]
AA MIA-SNU SEP 2>1.1[1.0] OCT 2>1.0[1.0]
AA NAS-PHL SEP 0.7>0.3[0.3]
AA OAK-PHX JUN 4>5[4] JUL 4>5[4] AUG 4>5[4]
AA OKC-ORD JUN 3>5[4] JUL 3>5[4] AUG 3>5[3] SEP 3>5[3] OCT 3>4[3]
AA OMA-ORD JUN 5>6[5] JUL 5>6[5] AUG 5>6[5] SEP 5>6[5] OCT 5>6[5]
AA ORD-RSW MAY 4>3[2] JUN 4>3[1.4] JUL 4>3[1.1] AUG 4>3[1.1] SEP 4>3[1.2]
AA ORD-SDF JUN 4>5[5] JUL 4>5[5] AUG 4>5[5] SEP 4>5[4]
AA ORD-SNA JUN 4>5[5] JUL 4>5[5] AUG 4>5[5] SEP 4>5[4]
AA ORD-TUL JUN 2>3[2] JUL 2>3[1.8] AUG 2>3[2] SEP 2>3[1.9]
AA ORD-XNA JUL 5>6[4] AUG 5>6[4] SEP 5>6[5] OCT 5>6[5]
AA PHL-SJU SEP 0.9>0.5[0.4] OCT 0.9>0.5[0.5]

*AC SAT-YYZ MAY 1.0>0[0.9] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0[0.9]

This appears to be an error, I still see it loaded on their website
*AS BOI-PDX AUG 7>6[7] SEP 7>0[7] OCT 7>0[7]
AS BOI-SEA SEP 8>9[8] OCT 8>9[8]
PAE was delayed it appears (govt shutdown?)
AS LAS-PAE FEB 0.5>0[0]
AS LAS-PDX JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3] AUG 3>4[3] SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3]
AS LAS-SEA JUN 9>8[9] JUL 9>8[9] AUG 9>8[9]
AS LAX-PAE FEB 1.8>0[0]
AS PAE-PDX FEB 1.3>0[0]
AS PAE-PHX FEB 0.4>0[0]
AS PAE-SAN FEB 0.7>0[0]
AS PAE-SFO FEB 1.1>0[0] MAR 2>1.5[0]
AS PAE-SJC FEB 0.6>0[0]
AS PDX-PHX JUN 1.5>2[1.1] JUL 1.4>2[1.0] AUG 1.3>2[1.3] SEP 1.0>2[1.0] OCT 1.0>2[1.0]
AS PDX-RNO SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3]
AS PDX-SFO JUN 7>8[8] JUL 7>9[8] AUG 7>9[7] SEP 7>9[7] OCT 7>9[7]

AV GUA-JFK FEB 1.0>0.6[0] MAR 1.0>0.6[0]
AV GUA-LAX FEB 2>1.0[1.0] MAR 2>1.0[1.0]
AV GUA-MIA MAR 1.0>0.8[0.3]
AV GUA-ORD FEB 1.0>0.4[0] MAR 1.0>0.5[0]
AV MIA-SAP MAR 1.0>0.8[1.0]

B6 LAX-MCO JUL 1.0>0.7[1.0]
B6 MBJ-MCO AUG 1.0>1.9[1.0]

CM PTY-TPA AUG 1.0>0.7[1.0] SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0] OCT 1.0>0.7[1.0]

Finally for sale
*DL DTW-ORH AUG 0>1.0[0] SEP 0>1.0[0] OCT 0>1.0[0]
*DL FUK-HNL MAY 0.8>0.2[0.8] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0] AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 0.9>0[0.7] OCT 0.7>0[0.7]
DL GLA-JFK OCT 0.5>0.8[0]
DL JFK-PRG OCT 0.5>0.8[0.6]
*DL SBA-SLC AUG 0>1.9[0] SEP 0>3[0] OCT 0>3[0]

*F9 BFM-DEN MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.5[0]
*F9 BFM-ORD MAY 0>0.3[0] JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0]
*F9 BIL-DEN JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
*F9 BOS-DEN MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
*F9 BTV-DEN MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.5[0]
*F9 DEN-GRB JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
*F9 DEN-IAD AUG 0>0.4[1.0]

Now completely out
*FI DFW-KEF MAY 0.3>0[0.0] JUN 0.6>0[0.6] JUL 0.6>0[0.6] AUG 0.5>0[0.5] SEP 0.6>0[0.6] OCT 0.5>0[0.5]

KG DEN-RIW FEB 1.4>2[0] MAR 1.3>2[0]
KG DEN-SHR FEB 0.5>1.5[0] MAR 0.5>1.5[0]

LF LAS-PGA APR 0.2>0.7[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
LF OAK-SBA APR 0.5>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
LF PGA-PHX APR 0.7>1.2[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]

*NK EWR-TPA MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.3[0]
NK MSP-TPA MAR 1.0>2[1.0] APR 1.0>1.3[0.4]

O6 GRU-JFK MAR 1.0>0.6[1.0]
O6 GRU-MIA MAR 1.0>0.7[1.0]

OJ JFK-KIN FEB 0.7>0[0.6] MAR 0.7>0[0.5] APR 0.7>0[0.7] MAY 0.7>0[0.7] JUN 0.7>0[0.7] JUL 0.7>0[0.7] AUG 0.7>0[0.7] SEP 0.7>0[0.7] OCT 0.7>0[0.6]

VB GDL-IAH JUN 0>0.3[0]
VB IAH-MTY JUN 0>1.0[0.4]

*WS AUS-YYC MAY 0>0.3[0] JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.3[0] SEP 0>0.3[0] OCT 0>0.2[0]
WS BNA-YYZ MAY 1.0>1.5[1.0] JUN 1.0>1.4[1.0] JUL 1.0>1.5[1.0] AUG 1.0>1.4[1.0] SEP 1.0>1.4[1.0] OCT 1.0>1.3[1.0]
WS LAS-YYZ JUL 2>1.8[2]
*WS PDX-YYC MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>1.0[0] SEP 0>1.0[0] OCT 0>0.8[0]
WS PHX-YEG OCT 0.6>0.9[0.9]
WS PSP-YVR MAY 0.6>0.8[0.6] OCT 0.5>1.0[1.3]
WS PSP-YYC MAY 1.2>1.8[1.3]
WS RSW-YYZ SEP 0.6>0.3[0.6]
WS SFO-YVR SEP 2>1.1[2] OCT 1.7>0.8[0.9]

Early out of all of these
WW KEF-LAX FEB 0.4>0.2[0.5]
WW KEF-ORD FEB 0.5>0.1[0.7]
WW KEF-PIT FEB 0.3>0.0[0.6]
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:50 pm

"It's official: Debut of Paine Field passenger flights delayed by federal shutdown"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 647918002/
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:59 pm

Interesting to see WS adding YYC-AUS. Perhaps they were inspired by the success of YYC-BNA?
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:03 pm

It’s a nice coincidence that we see the BNA-YYZ adds in the same update as AUS/PDX-YYC. BNA was really WS’ first effort at a secondary US city without tremendous leisure demand and it they seem to have found a solid - albeit not infinitely large - niche. AC’s ridiculous transborder pricing, especially to Toronto, no doubt helps.
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:06 pm

A complete, but welcome, surprise for AUS to have WS entering the market. I find YYC service interesting instead of YYZ to compete with AC. As noted above, hopefully this will drive down the cost of AC Canadian-bound tickets which are always sky high.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:13 pm

Not seeing PDX-YYC yet. Assuming it'll take a while to show up in the reservation system.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:29 pm

SAT was so happy to have that nonstop flight to YYZ. It's really too bad they can't support it. Meanwhile, an hour up the road AUS is now getting a flight to YYC. Ouch.

It's nice to see WS finally entering the PDX market. The US Pacific Northwest always seemed like a gaping hole in their network. I expected them to add SEA first but I guess DL has that covered under the transborder JV.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:42 pm

enilria wrote:
Finally for sale
*DL DTW-ORH AUG 0>1.0[0] SEP 0>1.0[0] OCT 0>1.0[0]



yes ... finally !!!

ORH-DTW DL3534 6:00am - 7:50am
DTW-ORH DL3543 8:10pm - 9:50pm

Skywest CRJ

first flight DTW-ORH on August 1 ... ORH-DTW starts August 2
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:50 pm

tkoenig95 wrote:
A complete, but welcome, surprise for AUS to have WS entering the market. I find YYC service interesting instead of YYZ to compete with AC. As noted above, hopefully this will drive down the cost of AC Canadian-bound tickets which are always sky high.


I had a feeling WS was coming to AUS sooner or later, especially with the rumored DL buildup right around the corner.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:52 pm

Fargo wrote:
tkoenig95 wrote:
A complete, but welcome, surprise for AUS to have WS entering the market. I find YYC service interesting instead of YYZ to compete with AC. As noted above, hopefully this will drive down the cost of AC Canadian-bound tickets which are always sky high.


I had a feeling WS was coming to AUS sooner or later, especially with the rumored DL buildup right around the corner.


Still waiting on WJ at RDU and DL has built up a lot here. Very unfortunate but Congratulations to y’all!
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:56 pm

ERJ170 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
tkoenig95 wrote:
A complete, but welcome, surprise for AUS to have WS entering the market. I find YYC service interesting instead of YYZ to compete with AC. As noted above, hopefully this will drive down the cost of AC Canadian-bound tickets which are always sky high.


I had a feeling WS was coming to AUS sooner or later, especially with the rumored DL buildup right around the corner.


Still waiting on WJ at RDU and DL has built up a lot here. Very unfortunate but Congratulations to y’all!


RDU seems like the next logical add, although maybe they haven't come because isn't AC a bit stronger there?
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:08 pm

I was hoping that AA would add PHX-YYC, it would've been nice as they already have PHX-YEG which is a smaller market compared to YYC.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:24 pm

Any idea on equipment for SLC-SBA? Last time it was a 200. Im hopefull for Atleast a 700 or E175..
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:27 pm

Fargo wrote:
ERJ170 wrote:
Fargo wrote:

I had a feeling WS was coming to AUS sooner or later, especially with the rumored DL buildup right around the corner.


Still waiting on WJ at RDU and DL has built up a lot here. Very unfortunate but Congratulations to y’all!


RDU seems like the next logical add, although maybe they haven't come because isn't AC a bit stronger there?


Space at Terminal 3 and the Encore fleet are YYZ-specific issues for a place like RDU. Remember also that YYC is really far west; YYC-RDU is almost exactly the same distance as LAS-RDU
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:27 pm

RE: BOI-PDX

Actually looks like BOI-PDX is going to 8 flights a day.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:31 pm

amcnd wrote:
Any idea on equipment for SLC-SBA? Last time it was a 200. Im hopefull for Atleast a 700 or E175..


All 3 are loaded as E175's. Could just be placeholders though, we shall see.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:33 pm

Where else in the US could WestJet could add service after AUS & PDX? I know RDU and BOS could be possible but anything else we can think of in the near future?
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:43 pm

master14225 wrote:
Where else in the US could WestJet could add service after AUS & PDX? I know RDU and BOS could be possible but anything else we can think of in the near future?

I would love to see WestJet take over CVG-YYZ from DL. YYC seems less likely, but there would be connections on both ends.

IND also seems like a good choice.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:55 pm

FA9295 wrote:
Not seeing PDX-YYC yet. Assuming it'll take a while to show up in the reservation system.


Summer sked hasn’t officially been released yet.....
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:24 pm

enilria wrote:
*DL SBA-SLC AUG 0>1.9[0] SEP 0>3[0] OCT 0>3[0]


This is great news for DL customers living in Santa Barbara who now must drive down to LAX to fly DL. The return of DL to SBA is going to make a lot of people very happy.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:34 pm

master14225 wrote:
Where else in the US could WestJet could add service after AUS & PDX? I know RDU and BOS could be possible but anything else we can think of in the near future?

ANC summer seasonal. I’m actually shocked they aren’t already.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:52 pm

Interesting note: The only route AA*/OO operates CRJ-200s is on PHX-SGU. SGU closes on May 29. PHX-ABQ receives a 5th flight on that day, a CRJ-200.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:53 pm

Correction to above: The only route that AA*/OO operates out of PHX with CRJ-200s is to SGU.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:02 pm

AA ANU-MIA SEP 1.0>0.1[1.0] OCT 1.9>0.9[1.0]


I’m pretty sure September is a misfile. AA has never reduced MIA-ANU to that extent, even in low season (September).
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:07 pm

master14225 wrote:
Where else in the US could WestJet could add service after AUS & PDX? I know RDU and BOS could be possible but anything else we can think of in the near future?


How about seasonal Palm Beach International to/from YYZ? Of course Westjet already serves FLL and MIA but perhaps PBI might be worth trying out.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:15 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
AA ANU-MIA SEP 1.0>0.1[1.0] OCT 1.9>0.9[1.0]


I’m pretty sure September is a misfile. AA has never reduced MIA-ANU to that extent, even in low season (September).

Looking at AA.com for September it appears correct. I don't think this is a weekend op. It looks like service completely stops for a period. AA.com is offering me JFK-ANU on UA!
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:37 pm

What do people think is the significance of DL dropping FUK-HNL. Is this a sign that the Japan-Hawaii market is something that DL wants to get out of over time as they re-organize the Asia network around ICN?
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:46 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
master14225 wrote:
Where else in the US could WestJet could add service after AUS & PDX? I know RDU and BOS could be possible but anything else we can think of in the near future?


How about seasonal Palm Beach International to/from YYZ? Of course Westjet already serves FLL and MIA but perhaps PBI might be worth trying out.


Tried and dropped twice.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:49 pm

YYC indirectly serves Detroit through YQG seasonally.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:51 pm

LAXBUR wrote:
RE: BOI-PDX

Actually looks like BOI-PDX is going to 8 flights a day.


All six QX operated flights are Q-400’s, the other two are OO 175’s. SEA-BOI sees mainline jets.
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:52 pm

SBA needs delta , this is great news. They need competition for airfares. SLC is a great place to connect thru.

Surely someone put up an Incentive right? The airport had been trying for a SLC link for a while iirc
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:11 pm

BenflysDTW wrote:
YYC indirectly serves Detroit through YQG seasonally.


Exactly that's why a DTW-YYC with all connections should be a slam dunk year round
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:13 pm

Chuska wrote:
Correction to above: The only route that AA*/OO operates out of PHX with CRJ-200s is to SGU.

FAT-PHX is also gaining a CR2 frequency.
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:34 pm

enilria wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
AA ANU-MIA SEP 1.0>0.1[1.0] OCT 1.9>0.9[1.0]


I’m pretty sure September is a misfile. AA has never reduced MIA-ANU to that extent, even in low season (September).

Looking at AA.com for September it appears correct. I don't think this is a weekend op. It looks like service completely stops for a period. AA.com is offering me JFK-ANU on UA!

Wow. ANU-MIA has at its lowest been at least 4x a week since inception. It’s usually JFK/CLT-ANU that get cut during low season. Very interesting.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:38 pm

Whiteguy wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Not seeing PDX-YYC yet. Assuming it'll take a while to show up in the reservation system.


Summer sked hasn’t officially been released yet.....


Indeed so congrats to enilria on stealing a bit of WS thunder. ;)

Evidently that means WS will announce their full summer schedule either tomorrow or Tuesday.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:52 pm

will PDX-YYC be operated by Encore or mainline WS?
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:06 pm

RJNUT wrote:
will PDX-YYC be operated by Encore or mainline WS?

Encore Q400.
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:07 pm

duplicate post, please ignore
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:16 pm

FA9295 wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
will PDX-YYC be operated by Encore or mainline WS?

Encore Q400.


This is the first YYC transborder route for WR, isn’t it? That’s going to be operationally challenging with the isolation of the YYC domestic and transborder operations.
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:18 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
Chuska wrote:
Correction to above: The only route that AA*/OO operates out of PHX with CRJ-200s is to SGU.

FAT-PHX is also gaining a CR2 frequency.


OAK is too. Any others?
 
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:26 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
SBA needs delta , this is great news. They need competition for airfares. SLC is a great place to connect thru.

Surely someone put up an Incentive right? The airport had been trying for a SLC link for a while iirc


I doubt it. A lot of service has been added to SBA, SBP, and MRY in the last two years, and I don't think any of them are subsidized. The Central Coast has been a big hole in DL's western network for a while.

Hopefully SBP isn't too far behind. Passenger traffic there is booming now that they have a modern terminal, and the farther distance between LA and the Bay Area means people there are more likely to want to fly local.
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Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:41 pm

per FlightView: AUS/PDX-YYC schedule

Begins May 2nd (2x weekly; Sunday/Thursday)
YYC-AUS: 10:00 AM - 2:43 PM (737-700)
AUS-YYC: 3:35 PM - 6:31 PM (737-700)

Begins April 29th: (7x weekly; Daily)
YYC-PDX: 10:30 AM - 11:17 AM (Q400)
PDX-YYC: 12:10 PM - 2:57 PM (Q400)
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:08 am

Cubsrule wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
will PDX-YYC be operated by Encore or mainline WS?

Encore Q400.


This is the first YYC transborder route for WR, isn’t it? That’s going to be operationally challenging with the isolation of the YYC domestic and transborder operations.


Looks like WR does YYZ-BNA and Seasonal YYZ-MYR.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:19 am

TW870 wrote:
What do people think is the significance of DL dropping FUK-HNL. Is this a sign that the Japan-Hawaii market is something that DL wants to get out of over time as they re-organize the Asia network around ICN?

I think exactly that. I think they flew that stuff as low margin routes primarily to build brand presence in Japan to support the NRT hub. I think with the hub all but gone and the company now demanding much higher margins from routes, they are likely to go. In fact, I expect DL intends to exit NRT completely in 2020 by winning 2 or 3 more slot pairs at HND.
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
SBA needs delta , this is great news. They need competition for airfares. SLC is a great place to connect thru.

Surely someone put up an Incentive right? The airport had been trying for a SLC link for a while iirc

Guaranteed there is a financial deal.
klm617 wrote:
Exactly that's why a DTW-YYC with all connections should be a slam dunk year round

The problem with border markets is that you save like $130 RT in border ticket taxes/fees by flying Canada to Canada and not USA to Canada.
Dominion301 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Not seeing PDX-YYC yet. Assuming it'll take a while to show up in the reservation system.


Summer sked hasn’t officially been released yet.....


Indeed so congrats to enilria on stealing a bit of WS thunder. ;)

Evidently that means WS will announce their full summer schedule either tomorrow or Tuesday.

:)
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:21 am

AS737MAX wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Encore Q400.


This is the first YYC transborder route for WR, isn’t it? That’s going to be operationally challenging with the isolation of the YYC domestic and transborder operations.


Looks like WR does YYZ-BNA and Seasonal YYZ-MYR.


Encore also operates YYZ-BOS
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:35 am

MartyMcFlyYYC wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

This is the first YYC transborder route for WR, isn’t it? That’s going to be operationally challenging with the isolation of the YYC domestic and transborder operations.


Looks like WR does YYZ-BNA and Seasonal YYZ-MYR.


Encore also operates YYZ-BOS


WR as in Encore? They fly a few. The ones mentioned plus YHZ-BOS.

I’m surprised WS have never used Encore on YYZ-LGA, at least on weekends.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:39 am

intotheair wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
SBA needs delta , this is great news. They need competition for airfares. SLC is a great place to connect thru.

Surely someone put up an Incentive right? The airport had been trying for a SLC link for a while iirc


I doubt it. A lot of service has been added to SBA, SBP, and MRY in the last two years, and I don't think any of them are subsidized. The Central Coast has been a big hole in DL's western network for a while.

Hopefully SBP isn't too far behind. Passenger traffic there is booming now that they have a modern terminal, and the farther distance between LA and the Bay Area means people there are more likely to want to fly local.


Central Coast airports do have incentive programs for new service.

SBA was setting up a service incentive program back in 2016. Santa Barbara pursued a SCASD grant to match local funding but did not receive the grant. I believe they set up a locally funded program instead.

SBP used a revenue guarantee with SCASD grant funds to attract the Alaska Air service. Those flights were successful and never required drawing on the revenue guarantee (the SCASD grant funds were returned to the Feds). San Luis Obispo has now created a $1 million locally funded revenue guarantee program along with marketing funds and fee waivers for the startup of new routes.

MRY had an Air Service Incentive Program for new routes that was scheduled to expire in 2018. I have not heard if the airport extended or renewed the program.
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:54 am

MartyMcFlyYYC wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

This is the first YYC transborder route for WR, isn’t it? That’s going to be operationally challenging with the isolation of the YYC domestic and transborder operations.


Looks like WR does YYZ-BNA and Seasonal YYZ-MYR.


Encore also operates YYZ-BOS


Okay, interesting. Just happened to find those two in between homework but didn't look completely.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:01 am

Dominion301 wrote:
MartyMcFlyYYC wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:

Looks like WR does YYZ-BNA and Seasonal YYZ-MYR.


Encore also operates YYZ-BOS


WR as in Encore? They fly a few. The ones mentioned plus YHZ-BOS.

I’m surprised WS have never used Encore on YYZ-LGA, at least on weekends.


But, again, no other transborder from YYC, right?
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Re: OAG Changes 1/27/2019:AC Drops SAT;DL Adds SBA-SLC;WS Adds AUS/PDX-YYC

Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:08 am

Cubsrule wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
MartyMcFlyYYC wrote:

Encore also operates YYZ-BOS


WR as in Encore? They fly a few. The ones mentioned plus YHZ-BOS.

I’m surprised WS have never used Encore on YYZ-LGA, at least on weekends.


But, again, no other transborder from YYC, right?


On Encore, correct. Everything else transborder at YYC is mainline. I guess this will mean towing an aircraft over from the domestic terminal each day.

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