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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:23 pm

leleko747 wrote:
There are many 747-400s being parked. United had some young (manufactured around 1999) Jumbos seeing the scrapman at Tupelo.
With pure cargo birds being picken up by Atlas, Kalitta and Cargolux, why can't airlines convert these younger 747s?


Im sure they can convert these birds, but apparently buying new 748F's is more economical. These planes had where busy at United and apparently they hadn't enough life left in them to justify the conversion.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:23 pm

leleko747 wrote:
There are many 747-400s being parked. United had some young (manufactured around 1999) Jumbos seeing the scrapman at Tupelo.
With pure cargo birds being picken up by Atlas, Kalitta and Cargolux, why can't airlines convert these younger 747s?


Converted freighters are heavier than factory and it can't be able to load cargo from the nose. Is the main reason to find very few 744F available to sale or lease.
Former JASDF aircraft would be converted only considering LOW hours and LOW cycles on their frames. (were passenger VIP aircraft, not passenger airline aircraft).
The aviation world will be bored if only twins fly with commercial passengers. I love 747s
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:58 pm

It seems Taiwan airport authority have enough of unpaid due by Orient Thai Airlines. The scrapping of B747-441 HS-STB has commenced back in July 2018.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0Z-ra0Bper ... d27bb326xq

Originally delivered in June 1992 as PP-VPG to Varig Brasil Airlines, Line #917 went on to serve Garuda Indonesia in 1995 as PK-GSI before going to Orient Thai in 2012. It flew briefly with Saudia on lease before it went to Eva Air for MRO. Orient Thai never paid up, sitting languished at Taipei Sungshan since 2014 to date.

Orient Thai has another B747-412 HS-STC Line #923 abandoned at HKG, ex-SQ 9V-SMN and CX B-HKD.
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:28 pm

Do you mean July 2018 or July 2019?.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:03 pm

LY will be retiring their 747-400 pax planes at the end of October (2019)
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:04 am

A new 747-400 operator, One Carribean has taken delivery of first B747-409 8P-ERI. Ex-China Airlines B-18208. Retired by CI on Oct 2017.

https://news784.com/local-news/one-cari ... -and-asia/

Also China Airlines B747-409F/SCD B-18705 in storage at VCV since Feb 2012, has been returned to TPE.
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... s/94JeulN1
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:06 am

bennett123 wrote:
Do you mean July 2018 or July 2019?.

The scrapping actually started back in 2018, with small parts being taken off, for past few months it has intensified, should be gone by now. You can see some of the photo on Instagram.
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:55 am

juliuswong wrote:
A new 747-400 operator, One Carribean has taken delivery of first B747-409 8P-ERI. Ex-China Airlines B-18208. Retired by CI on Oct 2017.

https://news784.com/local-news/one-cari ... -and-asia/

Also China Airlines B747-409F/SCD B-18705 in storage at VCV since Feb 2012, has been returned to TPE.
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... s/94JeulN1
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3


I have to laugh at their website:

"Currently our growing fleet is comprised of a Beechcraft 1900D (18-seater) which offers more for larger group charters."

Their growing fleet of one? I find that amusing for some reason
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:57 am

smokeybandit wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
A new 747-400 operator, One Carribean has taken delivery of first B747-409 8P-ERI. Ex-China Airlines B-18208. Retired by CI on Oct 2017.

https://news784.com/local-news/one-cari ... -and-asia/

Also China Airlines B747-409F/SCD B-18705 in storage at VCV since Feb 2012, has been returned to TPE.
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... s/94JeulN1
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3


I have to laugh at their website:

"Currently our growing fleet is comprised of a Beechcraft 1900D (18-seater) which offers more for larger group charters."

Their growing fleet of one? I find that amusing for some reason

Hahahahaha, yes, they are very ball-sy to grow from a 18-seater fleet to 450-seaters overnight. Good luck to them, they would need a lot of it!
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:23 pm

One of the JASDF 747-400's is for sale for $28,000,000. It's N7474C, former JA8091/20-1101.

Total Time: 16332
Total Landings: 13569

VIP. One of the lowest time Boeing 747-400's in the world.
Aircraft has been maintained to the highest possible standard. Shows like new.
Bed room, Shower, office and lounge area. Aircraft will be delivered fresh from C-check and paint.
This looks like a factory new aircraft.

https://www.controller.com/listings/air ... ng-747-400

Parts of the interior are going to a museum so there will also be a partly new interior.
it will be installed with a new bedroom, shower, lounge and an office. 85 VIP seats.

https://twitter.com/BenAirplane/status/ ... 7160718336

(You can see on the night time picture that there's no interior in the nose section anymore, her sistership is also cleared in that area, visible on the photo's on the bottom of this post)


Both 747's are currently stored at MZJ Pinal Airpark, Arizona. This 747 (N7474C) arrived there on July 30, her sistership (N7477C, former JA8092/20-1102) arrived on July 7.
That 2nd aircraft is scheduled to be converted to a freighter.

Both aircraft at MZJ, shortly after the arrival of N7474C:
Image

Some interior pics:
Image
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Sistership N7477C, to be converted to freighter:

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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:41 pm

What’s on the upper deck? The forward windows are blanked out.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:06 pm

jimmy9irons wrote:
What’s on the upper deck? The forward windows are blanked out.

Economy-style seats in the back half of the upper deck (up to the exit door). Those seats were used by JASDF crew and maintenance personnel.
I haven't seen the forward section; but it's mentioned that the upper deck is also used for communications and crew rest.

The total flying hours and cycles is already telling but this makes it real clear how little these aircraft have been used:

The current planes flew 318 times in the past 27 years, making stops at 269 locations in 100 countries. They have been used not only to transport the emperor or prime ministers but also to dispatch members of the SDF and the Japan Disaster Relief Team.
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:14 am

Iemand91 wrote:
One of the JASDF 747-400's is for sale for $28,000,000. It's N7474C, former JA8091/20-1101.


I'm pretty sure that the second picture doesn't belong there. I already noticed that on controller.com.
The colours, the layout and that painting with the guy on the camel simply don't fit :D
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:53 am

$ 28.000.000 is a very high figure , even for a low time 744.
The aircraft has approx 16.000 hrs (very low) and 13.000 cycles (normal). A 744 will be supported until 165.000 hrs and 35.000 cycles.
Conversion at IAI (Bedek) to a -400BDSF freighter is still offered and could be done, however is also relative expensive, because it's a full pax , requiring a side cargo door installation.
A better (cheaper !) candidate for freighter conversion would be the last built KLM 744 combi, PH-BFY, with more flight hours, but approx the same amount of cycles !
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:03 am

I’ve got a Virgin Holidays trip to Orlando booked for October 2020 but it’s so far in advance we don’t know the aircraft type yet. What are the chances of it being the 747 or are they likely to have bowed out by then?
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:58 am

LH is flying the 744 to Orlando, and will most likely do so for some time.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:44 pm

HeeseokKoo wrote:
Asiana has 2 744pax, HL7418 (Sep 1994) and HL7428 (Jun 1999)
HL7418 is to retire in Sep 2019. Korean law bans 25yo passenger fleet and that's why one Asiana 767 was retired earlier this year. No info for the other one.


:shock: I'm booked on an Asiana 744 flight early next year. Do you think Asiana will keep the one remaining 744 in pax service much longer?
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:13 pm

What was in the nose of those two JDSF 744s? Some sort of VIP suite? Sensitive electronics?
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:11 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
What was in the nose of those two JDSF 744s? Some sort of VIP suite? Sensitive electronics?

VIP suite, apparently very little photographed due security reasons, but a video of it exists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZxjcNR82FE
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:59 pm

Flew CIVC on 6th August CPT-LHR and CIVA 20th August LHR-CPT.

Both with the new Y cabin fit with, at last, a decent sized IFE screen. Both on time and both provided lovely smokey RB211's coming into the gate! CIVA handled the relentless chop down the Angolan coast beautifully. There is still life in the old girl's yet!
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:20 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
Image


Are we sure that picture is actually from the JASDF 744??? Why is there a painting of a sheik on a camel on the wall of that (ostentatiously decorated) conference room? This does not look very Japanese. More like the interior of a Middle Eastern VIP plane.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:42 pm

Some recent movements (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de):

Boeing 747‑412(BCF) 24227 831 OO-ACE ACE Belgium Freighters first in svc 14/21/25 Aug 2019 XMN-TLV-LGG-JFK, ex 4X-ICC
Boeing 747-4B5 26403 1095 5N-DBK MaxAir ferried 17 Aug 2019 KAN-MZJ, ex HL7472
Boeing 747‑45E(BDSF) 27899 1053 TF-AMA Air Atlanta Icelandic delivery 20 Aug 2019 CGK-LGG, ex B-16407
Boeing 747‑4KZF(SCD) 36135 1408 N508KZ Atlas Air posn / in svc 20 Aug 2019 AMA-LAX-NRT after paint into "flexport" cs, ex N408KZ
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:27 am

A stored all pax 744 returning to service ?

Boeing 747-422 24363 740 EP-MNB Mahan Air, air-test at IKA 27aug19 prior return to svc, ex EK74763 (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de)

See : https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... s/Zy9jhDML
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:34 pm

obenyehuda wrote:
LY will be retiring their 747-400 pax planes at the end of October (2019)

Down already to 3 active a/c .
4X-ELB out of service being scrapped in TLV.
3 active untill the end of October:
4C-ELA/C/D
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:40 pm

Planespotters shows it as WFU in July.

Has it been scrapped already?.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:37 pm

Two more 747-400 return to the skies.
B747-422 24363 740 EP-MNB Mahan Air 2nd air-test IKA-MHD-IKA 31aug19 prior return to svc ex EK74763
B747-422 28812 1207 N480MC Atlas Air delivery 29aug19 HKG-IAH ex N119UA
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3

Good to see more Queen of the Skies returning to the sky.

EP-MNB is previously UA N172UA which has been in storage since 2011 upon arriving in Tehran. She and her two siblings (EP-MNA ex-UA N176UA and EP-MNC ex-UA N190UA) are grounded due to US sanctions.

N480MC is previously UA N119UA. She escaped death in desert after being bought by Atlas Air for charter flight. Went into storage in Oct 2017 at VCV after retirement from UA, escaped after leaving for HKG in June 2019.
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:57 am

Breaking news. Mahan Air returned one of their abandoned 747-400 to service. Tail number
EP-MNB

https://m.planespotters.net/photo/99288 ... ng-747-422
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:28 am

El Al Boeing 747-400 4X-ELD, delivered in 1999, will operate its final flight today, LY084 BKK-TLV.
 
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:04 pm

yochai wrote:
El Al Boeing 747-400 4X-ELD, delivered in 1999, will operate its final flight today, LY084 BKK-TLV.



Do you know which LY 744 frame will carry the final final BKK-TLV flight of 31 October?

It seems there are only two frames left after today's two frames retirement. Any idea which registrations and who will have the honour of the final final?

Friend wants to be on the BKK-TLV final final (First Class) waiting for confirmation from the airline that it will indeed be the final final.

I would like to join him (sitting in the back of the bus) only if absolutely certain.

Should be quite a party flight me thinks.
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Re: Boeing 747-400 Passenger Fleet Tracking/Retirements Thread 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:32 am

Cardude2 wrote:
Breaking news. Mahan Air returned one of their abandoned 747-400 to service. Tail number
EP-MNB

https://m.planespotters.net/photo/99288 ... ng-747-422

Does this mean they are preparing to retire the 747-300?

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