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TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:10 pm

Just announced: http://www.globenewswire.com/news-relea ... teway.html

5x weekly, year-round flights from LIS-SFO begins on June 10, 2019. Uses the A330-900neo.

Another great add for SFO!
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:22 pm

Lisbon is such a great city, great add for the Bay Area.

Man, SFO is just on a roll the last few years. So impressive
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:34 pm

Wow that must be close to 100% o and d right? Hard to believe they can fill a 330 especially upfront. It wasn’t too long ago that a big star hub, MUC, was less than daily in winter.
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:05 pm

Why couldn't there be Star connections on both ends?
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:15 pm

Just crazy expansion... how will LIS airport handle all these new flights? I hope they hire new immigration officers, baggage handlers and expand the areas for all the new foot traffic. All these jets flying in at the same time each morning it's going to be chaos. I hope it all works out and they invest in logistics and good managers to make this expansion work. Providing a great experience for these new customers first flying on TP should be paramount. Congrats to TP and I hope it works considering the current infrastructure.
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:17 pm

Thought LIS was slot restricted?
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:47 pm

I think this a risky bet by TP, although both ends are Star hubs, SFO location provides very limited connections without backtracking and LIS offer much less connections within Europe than FRA, ZRH or MUC.

Adding IAD and ORD in the US in the same year is well enough in my opinion. Giving time for this routes to establish themselves and ñater looking for other expansion opportunities.

I thought LIS-EZE was coming next year with the A339's
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:52 pm

lhrsfosyd wrote:
Thought LIS was slot restricted?

Thr aiport and local authitities are implementing new systems to increase hourly movements!
Don’t think LIS is slot restricted, there are just not slots available at peak times.
TP has canceled 4 routes recently, 3x spanish routes and OTP, maybe if they play with their slots they can operate these new routes.
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:22 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:

I thought LIS-EZE was coming next year with the A339's


Think it is in the back burner. Argentina and Brazil are not having their best year. Maybe in 2020?
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:30 pm

Northern California has a pretty decent sized Portuguese American population (hence the oddball summer-only OAK-TER flight). Throw in some Star alliance connections on both ends, and hopefully there will be enough of a market for this flight to do well.
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:11 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
I think this a risky bet by TP, although both ends are Star hubs, SFO location provides very limited connections without backtracking and LIS offer much less connections within Europe than FRA, ZRH or MUC.

50% of all of TP's passengers connect in LIS. That is TAP's business model. I don't expect SFO to be any different.
TAP has been talking about this route for a very long time. All they needed was a plane that could do it at the right cost. This route was supposed to have started last Summer but it kept getting postponed due to the delays with the A339.
Yes LIS offers fewer relative connections and the airport itself is a zoo but TP's fare structure is not premium so they cater to a different customer base. You won't find a flat bed, J fare from SFO to Europe with any other of the major airlines at the prices that TP charges:
"TAP’s Executive business class fares on both routes start at $1,531 one way, or $3,102 round-trip, for travel to Lisbon. Business class one-way fares to TAP’s popular European destinations, such as Madrid, Barcelona, Paris and Rome, start from just $1,546 each way. "
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:13 pm

While many of the Portuguese-Americans in Northern California have roots in the Azores (hence the TER flight) instead of mainland Portugal, there are growing connections to the Lisbon area also.

Fresno State University has received multiple research grants the last few years from the Lisbon-based Luso-American Development Foundation (FLAD).
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:18 pm

dcajet wrote:

Think it is in the back burner. Argentina and Brazil are not having their best year. Maybe in 2020?


That might be the reason. Schedule as follows:

LIS 10:00 SFO 14:40 339 12467
SFO 16:10 LIS 11:25+1 339 12467

Arrives in LIS quite late in the morning, don't you think?

I am not sure this can be profitable year round. TAP is putting a lot in the market.

A bit off topic, but connected to TAP anyway. What's the participation of the Portuguese Government on the airline? Any recent financial results?
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:19 pm

Quite an exciting news!
I think it's a smart game for TP to join. Good way to collect some travellers from both Europe and West coast, in my opinion.
Hope it does go well though!
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:24 pm

Only yesterday UA announced historic expansion at SFO, and now this. Such significant growth in international traffic in such a short time.
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:24 pm

a350lover wrote:
dcajet wrote:

Think it is in the back burner. Argentina and Brazil are not having their best year. Maybe in 2020?


That might be the reason. Schedule as follows:

LIS 10:00 SFO 14:40 339 12467
SFO 16:10 LIS 11:25+1 339 12467

Arrives in LIS quite late in the morning, don't you think?

I am not sure this can be profitable year round. TAP is putting a lot in the market.

A bit off topic, but connected to TAP anyway. What's the participation of the Portuguese Government on the airline? Any recent financial results?


Not sure how they are going to fill it profitably during the winter.. thinking of Iberia, who only flies during the summer, and from Madrid, that has to attract more traffic to/fr SFO than LIS.
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:37 pm

Iberia is way more conservative in launching new routes. SFO only came after LAX and once this first stop in California was fully established year round. As an IAG airline, I believe Iberia screening of routes and its profitability is way more strict than TAP's. That's why I was asking whether the airline is yet highly participated with public funds. They've just announced ORD, IAD, and now SFO. All happening at a super crowded airport. Guess... Do all these announcements help somehow the PT Government to relief criticism around Portela's limitations? It sounds like they keep developing the air links of the country, despite one of the busiest airports in Europe.
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:53 pm

Great to see yet another new airline and European destination for SFO. Curious how all these new flights will be accommodated with respect to gate space.
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:03 pm

a350lover wrote:
dcajet wrote:

Think it is in the back burner. Argentina and Brazil are not having their best year. Maybe in 2020?


That might be the reason. Schedule as follows:

LIS 10:00 SFO 14:40 339 12467
SFO 16:10 LIS 11:25+1 339 12467

Arrives in LIS quite late in the morning, don't you think?

I am not sure this can be profitable year round. TAP is putting a lot in the market.

A bit off topic, but connected to TAP anyway. What's the participation of the Portuguese Government on the airline? Any recent financial results?


By this source, and by the Portuguese press some time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAP_Air_Portugal

"The company is 50% owned by the Portuguese state, 45% by the Atlantic Gateway Consortium and 5% available shareholder to collaborators and employees of TAP Air Portugal"

But the company its entirely run by the private consortium.
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:20 pm

What is the great circle distance between LIS and SFO?
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:30 pm

a350lover wrote:
dcajet wrote:

Think it is in the back burner. Argentina and Brazil are not having their best year. Maybe in 2020?


That might be the reason. Schedule as follows:

LIS 10:00 SFO 14:40 339 12467
SFO 16:10 LIS 11:25+1 339 12467

Arrives in LIS quite late in the morning, don't you think?



Departing out of LIS at 1000 is awful as it mostly allows connections from Europe's major cities which already are linked non-stop to SFO. Too early to connect from mid size markets such as BOD, NCE, VLC, ATH, WAW or OSL just to name a few

1125 arrival is good to connect everywhere.
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:31 pm

The departure at 1000 matches their departure times between 1000-1100 to BOS MIA EWR; TP has a few flights from southern Europe arriving in LIS between 700-800a, so they are trying to build some flow traffic.
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:36 pm

And remember Portugal is one hour less then central Europe, for Paris for example is 11:00.
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:45 pm

crescent wrote:
The departure at 1000 matches their departure times between 1000-1100 to BOS MIA EWR; TP has a few flights from southern Europe arriving in LIS between 700-800a, so they are trying to build some flow traffic.


BOS, MIA and EWR are well established routes. Departure at 1300 would have allowed connecting traffic from almost all TP European network and not only a few cities.
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:05 pm

"how will LIS airport handle all these new flights? I hope they hire new immigration officers, baggage handlers and expand the areas for all the new foot traffic. All these jets flying in at the same time each morning it's going to be chaos."


I know exactly what this post means. Three years ago we were stuck for 3 hours to go through Customs. Flight attendants were calling passengers from that room by voice loud so the passengers could connect, straight without passing through. We were stuck in a small area together with 2 flights from the US, one from Canada and one from Brazil. What a crap show... we were too long in customs (and they ended up opening and letting people pass without declaring anything).

When we got to the carousel area to pick up our bags, they were no longer there as they were taken off the belts because we took too long in customs, and the girl told us to have a look at the screens to see which carousel that our bags were in...all belts were stopped and the screens were off. I was embarrassed considering I had Canadian friends with me.
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:55 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
crescent wrote:
The departure at 1000 matches their departure times between 1000-1100 to BOS MIA EWR; TP has a few flights from southern Europe arriving in LIS between 700-800a, so they are trying to build some flow traffic.


BOS, MIA and EWR are well established routes. Departure at 1300 would have allowed connecting traffic from almost all TP European network and not only a few cities.


OTOH departing LIS at 1300 to SFO would make flight SFO-LIS arrive at 1430. Are these secondary destinations served on their 1600-1800 bank at LIS? If not, it makes sense to depart at 1000
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:15 am

Congrats to TAP and SFO
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:33 am

winGl3t wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
crescent wrote:
The departure at 1000 matches their departure times between 1000-1100 to BOS MIA EWR; TP has a few flights from southern Europe arriving in LIS between 700-800a, so they are trying to build some flow traffic.


BOS, MIA and EWR are well established routes. Departure at 1300 would have allowed connecting traffic from almost all TP European network and not only a few cities.


OTOH departing LIS at 1300 to SFO would make flight SFO-LIS arrive at 1430. Are these secondary destinations served on their 1600-1800 bank at LIS? If not, it makes sense to depart at 1000


TP would cover most of their european network departing 1200-1300 and arriving 1330-1430. As said before, 1000 departure allows connections mostly out of major cities which already have multiple daily non-stop options to SFO.
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:21 pm

rbrunner wrote:
What is the great circle distance between LIS and SFO?

4936 nautical miles. You can check any route/distance here at http://www.gcmap.com/
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:55 pm

My opinion is that an 11.30am departure, returning at 1pm would be the best schedule. Several flights depart at 2ish pm, so that could allow connections. Arriving at 2pm wouldn't allow several connections as wel
upperdeckfan wrote:
winGl3t wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:

BOS, MIA and EWR are well established routes. Departure at 1300 would have allowed connecting traffic from almost all TP European network and not only a few cities.


OTOH departing LIS at 1300 to SFO would make flight SFO-LIS arrive at 1430. Are these secondary destinations served on their 1600-1800 bank at LIS? If not, it makes sense to depart at 1000


TP would cover most of their european network departing 1200-1300 and arriving 1330-1430. As said before, 1000 departure allows connections mostly out of major cities which already have multiple daily non-stop options to SFO.


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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:20 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
crescent wrote:
The departure at 1000 matches their departure times between 1000-1100 to BOS MIA EWR; TP has a few flights from southern Europe arriving in LIS between 700-800a, so they are trying to build some flow traffic.

BOS, MIA and EWR are well established routes. Departure at 1300 would have allowed connecting traffic from almost all TP European network and not only a few cities.

TP may not have a choice. The airport is at capacity and both slots and gates are hard to come.
Nevertheless it's a typical N.America schedule with loads of conx potential from Europe and a couple of African destinations: DSS, ACC, SVQ, AGP, BCN, MAD, BIO, ORY, LYS, STR, GVA, BRU, ZRH, MXP, FCO, FRA, HAM, MUC, DUS, TXL, BUD, OTP, LHR, PRG, CPH, AMS. Basically most major cities in Western Europe. Pushing it to 13:00 if possible, would only add IST, HEL, VLC.
49Paralell wrote:
I know exactly what this post means. Three years ago we were stuck for 3 hours to go through Customs. Flight attendants were calling passengers from that room by voice loud so the passengers could connect, straight without passing through. We were stuck in a small area together with 2 flights from the US, one from Canada and one from Brazil. What a crap show... we were too long in customs (and they ended up opening and letting people pass without declaring anything).

LIS is still an overcrowded mess but the customs situation has been improved a lot. 3 years ago was the first year of TP's international expansion after being "privatized" at the same time that Portugal was being promoted heavily for tourism, but immigration at LIS wasn't prepared to handle it. Since then, flights have been re-timed, and extra immigration officials have been added. I'll be there in July so hope things are much better :)
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:15 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
TP would cover most of their european network departing 1200-1300 and arriving 1330-1430. As said before, 1000 departure allows connections mostly out of major cities which already have multiple daily non-stop options to SFO.

I forgot to add this yesterday. TLV is an important new market that should generate good traffic to/from the U.S. An arrival back in LIS that late would not connect to TLV. As it is this flight is perfectly timed for "Mediterranean" connections which IMO is TP's primary connecting market to/from the U.S.: Spain, France, Italy, and the new service to TLV.
 
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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:42 pm

airbazar wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
crescent wrote:
The departure at 1000 matches their departure times between 1000-1100 to BOS MIA EWR; TP has a few flights from southern Europe arriving in LIS between 700-800a, so they are trying to build some flow traffic.

BOS, MIA and EWR are well established routes. Departure at 1300 would have allowed connecting traffic from almost all TP European network and not only a few cities.

TP may not have a choice. The airport is at capacity and both slots and gates are hard to come.
Nevertheless it's a typical N.America schedule with loads of conx potential from Europe and a couple of African destinations: DSS, ACC, SVQ, AGP, BCN, MAD, BIO, ORY, LYS, STR, GVA, BRU, ZRH, MXP, FCO, FRA, HAM, MUC, DUS, TXL, BUD, OTP, LHR, PRG, CPH, AMS. Basically most major cities in Western Europe. Pushing it to 13:00 if possible, would only add IST, HEL, VLC.
49Paralell wrote:
I know exactly what this post means. Three years ago we were stuck for 3 hours to go through Customs. Flight attendants were calling passengers from that room by voice loud so the passengers could connect, straight without passing through. We were stuck in a small area together with 2 flights from the US, one from Canada and one from Brazil. What a crap show... we were too long in customs (and they ended up opening and letting people pass without declaring anything).

LIS is still an overcrowded mess but the customs situation has been improved a lot. 3 years ago was the first year of TP's international expansion after being "privatized" at the same time that Portugal was being promoted heavily for tourism, but immigration at LIS wasn't prepared to handle it. Since then, flights have been re-timed, and extra immigration officials have been added. I'll be there in July so hope things are much better :)


airbazar wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
crescent wrote:
The departure at 1000 matches their departure times between 1000-1100 to BOS MIA EWR; TP has a few flights from southern Europe arriving in LIS between 700-800a, so they are trying to build some flow traffic.

BOS, MIA and EWR are well established routes. Departure at 1300 would have allowed connecting traffic from almost all TP European network and not only a few cities.

TP may not have a choice. The airport is at capacity and both slots and gates are hard to come.
Nevertheless it's a typical N.America schedule with loads of conx potential from Europe and a couple of African destinations: DSS, ACC, SVQ, AGP, BCN, MAD, BIO, ORY, LYS, STR, GVA, BRU, ZRH, MXP, FCO, FRA, HAM, MUC, DUS, TXL, BUD, OTP, LHR, PRG, CPH, AMS. Basically most major cities in Western Europe. Pushing it to 13:00 if possible, would only add IST, HEL, VLC.
49Paralell wrote:
I know exactly what this post means. Three years ago we were stuck for 3 hours to go through Customs. Flight attendants were calling passengers from that room by voice loud so the passengers could connect, straight without passing through. We were stuck in a small area together with 2 flights from the US, one from Canada and one from Brazil. What a crap show... we were too long in customs (and they ended up opening and letting people pass without declaring anything).

LIS is still an overcrowded mess but the customs situation has been improved a lot. 3 years ago was the first year of TP's international expansion after being "privatized" at the same time that Portugal was being promoted heavily for tourism, but immigration at LIS wasn't prepared to handle it. Since then, flights have been re-timed, and extra immigration officials have been added. I'll be there in July so hope things are much better :)


Besides DSS, ACC, SVQ, AGP, BCN, MAD, BIO, ORY, LYS, STR, GVA, BRU, ZRH, MXP, FCO, FRA, HAM, MUC, DUS, TXL, BUD, OTP, LHR, PRG, CPH, AMS

On winter also on domestic connections we have OPO, FAO, FNC, and international we also have SID, RAI, OXB, ABJ,

Also besides the flights I listed for winter, on summer, when the flight schedule will work, we also have TLS, NCE, CGN, VLC, STR and maybe I missed one or other destination ....

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Re: TP announces LIS-SFO

Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:07 pm

As TP's NorthAm network starts to grow it could be interesting to add TFN or TFS (and modify LPA timing) to compete with IB on TATL from Canaries. Less backtrack than MAD can be appealing for canarian market.
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TAP Air Portugal to launch LIS-SFO service in Jun-19

Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:43 pm

Hello everyone,

Good to know that another European airline will launch service to SFO.

https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/12/13/1666767/0/en/TAP-Air-Portugal-to-Add-a-Third-New-U-S-Route-for-2019-San-Francisco-Becomes-TAP-s-8th-North-American-and-Only-West-Coast-Gateway.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2018/12/13/tap-air-portugal-san-francisco-lisbon-nonstop-flights-begin-june/2295856002/

My question is:

1). How is the market for this route?
2). Looking long term, will the airline continue to serve SFO, go perhaps daily, or will they suspend service in, let's say, 2-3 yrs because the market was not what it was forecasted to be? Although we don't want the airline to suspend service, just curious.
3). Funny question but, could we see the airline ever getting rights to go from SFO to Brazil??
4). Where can one find information that airlines used to determine whether or not they want to launch a new route? Meaning for example, what/where did the airline get the information from to help make the decision to launch service to SFO? Curious on this one.

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Re: TAP Air Portugal to launch LIS-SFO service in Jun-19

Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:58 pm

What’s quite funny is Lisbon has a lot in common with San Fran . It has a large bay city with trams and a large suspension bridge !
 
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Re: TAP Air Portugal to launch LIS-SFO service in Jun-19

Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:06 pm

f4f3a wrote:
What’s quite funny is Lisbon has a lot in common with San Fran . It has a large bay city with trams and a large suspension bridge !


And lots of hills!
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Re: TAP Air Portugal to launch LIS-SFO service in Jun-19

Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:55 pm

1) I can see 2 main factors for TP to venture on to San Francisco, SanFran becoming a large tourist spot for europeans and SFO being a UA hub.
2) Who knows? Depends on many different factors such as advertising, fare structure, feeder traffic at both ends, etc, etc, etc.
3) If you mean TP getting rights to fly SFO-Brazil, no chance.
4) Airlines have their own strategic departments but also pay consulting companies to assess feasibility of new routes. Even though some times they fail and some others they succeed.
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Re: TAP Air Portugal to launch LIS-SFO service in Jun-19

Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:05 pm

LIS-SFO was announced last year. There's already a thread open on the topic: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1410589&p=20929725&hilit=TAP+SFO#p20929725
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Re: TAP Air Portugal to launch LIS-SFO service in Jun-19

Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:52 pm

ro1960 wrote:
f4f3a wrote:
What’s quite funny is Lisbon has a lot in common with San Fran . It has a large bay city with trams and a large suspension bridge !


And lots of hills!

and earthquakes too!!!
 
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Re: TAP Air Portugal to launch LIS-SFO service in Jun-19

Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:54 pm

Do not forget of the Portuguese community in Oakland...
 
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Re: TAP Air Portugal to launch LIS-SFO service in Jun-19

Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:34 pm

f4f3a wrote:
What’s quite funny is Lisbon has a lot in common with San Fran . It has a large bay city with trams and a large suspension bridge !


Both are also two very bubbly and overheated cities. SFO with high-tech and LIS with tourism and golden visas. I suspect whenever (soon) there is a global downturn, this route will be chopped in no time.
 
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Re: TAP Air Portugal to launch LIS-SFO service in Jun-19

Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:01 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
f4f3a wrote:
What’s quite funny is Lisbon has a lot in common with San Fran . It has a large bay city with trams and a large suspension bridge !


And lots of hills!

and earthquakes too!!!


Tout est pour le mieux dans le meilleur des mondes possibles. Lisbon earthquake, 1755.

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