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Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:24 pm

I would love to see Jetblue or Spirit put a significant foothole in GSO.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread

Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:30 pm

I'm concerned that Spirit's big splash in RDU will weaken the chances for any meaningful growth in GSO. B6 hasn't seemed to show any interest. They do ok in RDU with the BOS and FLL flights, the JFK almost seems like just a token presence these days. CLT has been just treading water for them for a long time as far as number of flights for them.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread

Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:25 pm

I'm a bit surprised WN has entered the market. To simply say they (any carrier) is in CLT & RDU dimisses that greater GSO is still 800,000 on its own. I have to imagine there to be enough demand to warrant a presence to MDW, BNA, FLL...
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread

Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:19 am

I know the numbers suggest otherwise, but people in GSO just seem to be trained to accept the drive to either CLT or RDU for cheaper flights. The very few flights done by NK, G4 and the previous flights done by F9 seemed to have minimal impact. The short lived Skybus experiment was the last time GSO saw real LCC competition to any major markets.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread

Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:42 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
I'm a bit surprised WN has entered the market. To simply say they (any carrier) is in CLT & RDU dimisses that greater GSO is still 800,000 on its own. I have to imagine there to be enough demand to warrant a presence to MDW, BNA, FLL...


The greater GSO area is 1.6 million (minus the 100,000 on the Burlington side that easily switch to Raleigh), plus pulls from the Roanoke area. Problem is, people are so used to going to RDU at this point.... locals rarely look at GSO anymore, they look at RDU first.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:44 pm

Also, there was a weird "announcement" make on the PTI website was also on Wikipedia the same day about JetBlue starting BOS and United starting IAH and DEN starting in June/July timeframes. Within 1 day, both were gone. So, I've been wondering if something was in the works that we don't know about yet.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pm

Also note:
FedEx just added service to CAE in addition to Mountain Air Cargo, and Mountain Air Cargo picked EWN, ILM back up and added MYR
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:14 pm

Does anyone know what the peak departures in GSO were versus how many are today? Seems like back in the 90s, it had 50-75 mainline departures a day. 727s, 737s, DC-9s, F100s mostly.

Anything major happening in the future of the airport expected? Seems like FedEx is increasing, HAECO/TIMCO is growing, and Honda is busy. Though on the other aspects, the airport is in decline (passenger service, general aviation)... is much of anything happening at Swift Air (the former Tradewinds hangars)?
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:33 pm

The major thing happening that’s been announced is that spirit airlines is starting service in a couple of months
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:45 pm

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The major thing happening that’s been announced is that spirit airlines is starting service in a couple of months


Spirit service has already started, a few months ago. Seems quiet other than that unless any of the B6 or UA rumors are true.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:22 pm

It would be nice is Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant started offering daily service instead of three times per week.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:33 pm

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United starting IAH and DEN starting in June/July timeframes.


My favorite rumor, I can't wait for IAH to come back... ~7 years without it. I'll gladly pay more for a direct to GSO instead of have the drive to/from RDU, make CLT work, or connect through IAD/ORD. Hope we can land a couple flights at reasonable times too. With how CLT and RDU have gone to E-170/E-175 or mainline from IAH, it seems like E-145XR, 50 seater econs don't work at the 1000 mi distance, and the incremental cost and capability of a E-jet fit the flight segment better. I wonder how much traffic United loses to American/Delta from GSO with better west bound connectivity through CLT/ATL/DFW?

Maybe with the addition of the E-175SCs with 70 seats, the CRJ-550s, or scope relief to add 76 seaters to the fleet they can free up some frames to bring back IAH-GSO.

DEN-GSO seems like a stretch to me. Maybe that's a better hub connection than IAH for United.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:32 am

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Does anyone know what the peak departures in GSO were versus how many are today?

Around 1995-1996 I want to say there were around 120 daily departures largely due to the CO hub. GSO served between 1.9 and 2.2 million passengers those years. There were numerous 737, 727, DC9, F100, and MD80s flying through here with AA, CO, DL, UA, and US not mention the props. Today there around 65 daily departures on 5 airlines; G4, AA, DL, NK, and UA.

Otherwise at GSO...
Sad F9 decided not to return after 6 years of service to DEN. And the NK announcement has since been overshadowed with their recent entry into RDU and CLT. Although I have heard they are doing ok here. G4 has shown no willingness to expand beyond their token SFB and PIE service either.

Some good news is that boardings were up almost 7% last year to around 1.8 million
https://www.journalnow.com/business/the ... 6d500.html

And FX is up to around 20 cities or so for cargo. GSO is now the busiest cargo hub in the state:
https://www.greensboro.com/business/loc ... 0b718.html

And as another stated, HondaJet, Cessna/Citation, and HAECO continue to grow here.

Personally I would like to see:
G4: LAS
AA: more mainline to CLT and DFW
DL: BOS, MSP
F9: a return to DEN, at least seasonally
NK: BWI, LAS
UA: IAH and/or DEN

To me, BWI, LAS, IAH, and BOS are the biggest voids and I would also like to see WN and B6 enter GSO at some point.... Unfortunately the RDU/CLT vacuum(s) shows no signs of stopping anytime soon.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:54 pm

mikejepp wrote:
Does anyone know what the peak departures in GSO were versus how many are today? Seems like back in the 90s, it had 50-75 mainline departures a day. 727s, 737s, DC-9s, F100s mostly.

Anything major happening in the future of the airport expected? Seems like FedEx is increasing, HAECO/TIMCO is growing, and Honda is busy. Though on the other aspects, the airport is in decline (passenger service, general aviation)... is much of anything happening at Swift Air (the former Tradewinds hangars)?


In 2011 before the collapse and recession, GSO had 119 daily departures. We have about 2/3 that now. And that included the oddball United to CLT, US Airways to ROA and MYR; along with old cities like PIT, CVG, MEM, BOS, IAH that we now no longer have service to.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:57 pm

Compared to what DL was at 1 year ago, GSO-DTW is 3x E7W now. It was 3x CRJ.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:01 pm

norcarolinian wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
Personally I would like to see:
G4: LAS
AA: more mainline to CLT and DFW
DL: BOS, MSP, JFK
F9: a return to DEN, at least seasonally
NK: BWI, LAS
UA: IAH and/or DEN


This is near my thoughts of what I'd like to see:
G4: LAS
DL: BOS, JFK
UA: IAH, DEN
Alaska: Would really like to see 1 Alaska flight per day to SEA

I'll be honest, I stopped flying United west and to South America because of the lack of IAH connection. Plus my company has constant back and forth to IAH that they're forcing us into RDU and CLT to get the direct flights from. Wouldn't say we could guarantee loads, but gosh, the flights were full back when I used to fly them.

Delta needs JFK here. It is better connections to EU and quicker to Asia connecting through Europe.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:41 pm

GSO boardings up almost 17% in January over a year ago:
https://www.journalnow.com/business/bus ... 2be5f.html

UA up 30%! wow! ... And would like to know how NK is really doing here as far as loads are concerned.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:22 am

norcarolinian wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
Does anyone know what the peak departures in GSO were versus how many are today?

Around 1995-1996 I want to say there were around 120 daily departures largely due to the CO hub. GSO served between 1.9 and 2.2 million passengers those years. There were numerous 737, 727, DC9, F100, and MD80s flying through here with AA, CO, DL, UA, and US not mention the props. Today there around 65 daily departures on 5 airlines; G4, AA, DL, NK, and UA.


Is it safe to assume you’re referring to 1.9 to 2.2 million enplanements vs total passengers? Why do so many US airports focus so much on the enplanements number vs the total pax count?
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:30 am

gsoflyer wrote:
norcarolinian wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
Personally I would like to see:
G4: LAS
AA: more mainline to CLT and DFW
DL: BOS, MSP, JFK
F9: a return to DEN, at least seasonally
NK: BWI, LAS
UA: IAH and/or DEN


Alaska: Would really like to see 1 Alaska flight per day to SEA

Logistically speaking, they already send AS planes there for maintenance, might as well sell tickets on them.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:11 pm

mikejepp wrote:
Does anyone know what the peak departures in GSO were versus how many are today? Seems like back in the 90s, it had 50-75 mainline departures a day. 727s, 737s, DC-9s, F100s mostly.

Anything major happening in the future of the airport expected? Seems like FedEx is increasing, HAECO/TIMCO is growing, and Honda is busy. Though on the other aspects, the airport is in decline (passenger service, general aviation)... is much of anything happening at Swift Air (the former Tradewinds hangars)?


I found some information I used for a report in college. This is for commercial airline departures:
1994: 162 daily
1999: 116 daily after the loss of CO Lite and Eastwind; this oddball routes like United to Charlotte, US Airways to Roanoke and Myrtle Beach
2001: 101 daily went down to just hubs
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:43 pm

Would be great to see UA bring IAH back. I, too, heard rumors about DL adding JFK back and possibly B6 to BOS. But with the big B6 announcement of growth at Boston, and no GSO that seems unlikely.

I think the average daily flight count is about 53 at the moment, according to OAG schedules. The loss of the Admirals Club was a big blow. Would love to see a third party club like GSP has. If they can support one, so can GSO!
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:40 pm

It looks like IAH is coming back on E170s beginning 4/5
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:44 am

Janj wrote:
It looks like IAH is coming back on E170s beginning 4/5


Unfortunately this is only bookable for 1 week during Furniture Market.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:48 pm

GSO Total passenger boardings were up 12.06% in February vs same month last year.
UA up 26.85%
DL up 4.88%
AA up 3.02%
G4 down 8.72% (Spirit effect?)
NK (N/A as they have not been here a year yet)

https://flyfrompti.com/wp-content/uploa ... y-2019.pdf

Cargo was also up 40%
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:23 pm

norcarolinian wrote:
GSO Total passenger boardings were up 12.06% in February vs same month last year.
UA up 26.85%
DL up 4.88%
AA up 3.02%
G4 down 8.72% (Spirit effect?)
NK (N/A as they have not been here a year yet)

https://flyfrompti.com/wp-content/uploa ... y-2019.pdf

Cargo was also up 40%


Cargo is up thanks to Fedex finally running a hub at GSO and the charter cargo airline that runs the routes to Europe
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:39 pm

Delta28L wrote:

Cargo is up thanks to Fedex finally running a hub at GSO and the charter cargo airline that runs the routes to Europe


Yep... here are the cargo numbers: Feb '18 - Feb '19

FX up 103.09%
5Y (Atlas Air) down 91.73%
5X (UPS) down 16.46%
C2 (Mountain Air Cargo) down 47.92% - thought this would be higher as these are FedEx Feeder flights
Passenger Airlines Freight up 36.56%

https://flyfrompti.com/wp-content/uploa ... y-2019.pdf
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:38 pm

norcarolinian wrote:
Delta28L wrote:

Cargo is up thanks to Fedex finally running a hub at GSO and the charter cargo airline that runs the routes to Europe


Yep... here are the cargo numbers: Feb '18 - Feb '19

FX up 103.09%
5Y (Atlas Air) down 91.73%
5X (UPS) down 16.46%
C2 (Mountain Air Cargo) down 47.92% - thought this would be higher as these are FedEx Feeder flights
Passenger Airlines Freight up 36.56%


It makes sense for FedEx Feeder. The 3x daily flights to EWN and ILM were moved to RDU. GSO is left with a single daily C208 to weekday daily and picked up a single weekday ATR72 to CAE and GSP and a single weekly to MYR.

Atlas is down because ABX Air and Atlas have stopped almost all GSO ops, and it was moved to Kalitta Air.

Plus those oddball Laredo, Monterrey, London ON flights aren't listed at all.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:40 pm

Does anyone have, or know of, a pic of the FedEx ramp in GSO full of airplanes?
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:43 pm

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Does anyone have, or know of, a pic of the FedEx ramp in GSO full of airplanes?


It would be pretty hard since the hub runs at night unless we have a member who works the ramp or a spotter who stays up late. I’ve been looking and haven’t seen any good pics either. The pics I’ve seen are from when the facility was just opening up. Any chance GSO gets a Amazon Prime flight once the CVG is up and running?
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:50 pm

AA mainline returns from DFW starting June 6th using A319.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:47 pm

Delta28L wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
Does anyone have, or know of, a pic of the FedEx ramp in GSO full of airplanes?


It would be pretty hard since the hub runs at night unless we have a member who works the ramp or a spotter who stays up late. I’ve been looking and haven’t seen any good pics either. The pics I’ve seen are from when the facility was just opening up. Any chance GSO gets a Amazon Prime flight once the CVG is up and running?


I'll see if I can grab one tomorrow on my way to work, I'll swing around the long way.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:16 pm

norcarolinian wrote:
Janj wrote:
It looks like IAH is coming back on E170s beginning 4/5


Unfortunately this is only bookable for 1 week during Furniture Market.


:cry: so cruel... just bring it back... Comfortable daytime travel times too for Houston O/D, IAH-GSO from 14:30 - 18:08 and GSO-IAH 18:45 - 20:47

Basically an April Fool's joke, ha!
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:12 pm

stxbohn wrote:
norcarolinian wrote:
Janj wrote:
It looks like IAH is coming back on E170s beginning 4/5


Unfortunately this is only bookable for 1 week during Furniture Market.


:cry: so cruel... just bring it back... Comfortable daytime travel times too for Houston O/D, IAH-GSO from 14:30 - 18:08 and GSO-IAH 18:45 - 20:47

Basically an April Fool's joke, ha!

I don't get why UA hasn't actually just launched IAH-GSO. You'd think that'd be a route IAH would be able to support.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:55 am

N292UX wrote:
stxbohn wrote:
norcarolinian wrote:

Unfortunately this is only bookable for 1 week during Furniture Market.


:cry: so cruel... just bring it back... Comfortable daytime travel times too for Houston O/D, IAH-GSO from 14:30 - 18:08 and GSO-IAH 18:45 - 20:47

Basically an April Fool's joke, ha!

I don't get why UA hasn't actually just launched IAH-GSO. You'd think that'd be a route IAH would be able to support.


They did have it years ago. During the recession, GSO lost a lot of routes that have no returned.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:15 pm

I know they flew to IAH as recently as Dec 2006, or at least Continental Express did. I flew on it.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:07 pm

It's a legacy CO route. They used to fly with 735/733s in the late 90s, then it was 3x day with E-145/E-145XRs when they arrived until the 5% reduction United did from Houston when retaliating to the new FIS at Hobby for Southwest coinciding with the downturn in the economy 2008ish. Can't easily find the article right now. When the GSO area had a larger textile business, there used to be more business flow GSO-IAH-Mexico going to the textile mills in Mexico helping to prop the route up. It's crazy that AA does E-175/CRJ-900/A319s to DFW no problem and United can't place a single E-170 or E-175 to IAH. Ha, even Delta flew a CRJ-200 GSO-DFW back in the day. IAH isn't that much further out of the way for transcons than DFW. Maybe with the "creation" of the United CRJ-550 that it frees up something to go on IAH-GSO.

Still hoping...
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:00 pm

stxbohn wrote:
It's a legacy CO route. They used to fly with 735/733s in the late 90s, then it was 3x day with E-145/E-145XRs when they arrived until the 5% reduction United did from Houston when retaliating to the new FIS at Hobby for Southwest coinciding with the downturn in the economy 2008ish. Can't easily find the article right now. When the GSO area had a larger textile business, there used to be more business flow GSO-IAH-Mexico going to the textile mills in Mexico helping to prop the route up. It's crazy that AA does E-175/CRJ-900/A319s to DFW no problem and United can't place a single E-170 or E-175 to IAH. Ha, even Delta flew a CRJ-200 GSO-DFW back in the day. IAH isn't that much further out of the way for transcons than DFW. Maybe with the "creation" of the United CRJ-550 that it frees up something to go on IAH-GSO.

Still hoping...


I was going to suggest it's better if heading out West to make a connection somewhere like Denver over Houston, but looks like there's not even United nonstops from GSO to DEN. Wow.
There are 4 a day to ORD though, so I guess they feel they have their bases covered with that connection vs. DEN or IAH. Really surprised not either one exist though.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:16 am

gsoflyer wrote:
Delta28L wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
Does anyone have, or know of, a pic of the FedEx ramp in GSO full of airplanes?


It would be pretty hard since the hub runs at night unless we have a member who works the ramp or a spotter who stays up late. I’ve been looking and haven’t seen any good pics either. The pics I’ve seen are from when the facility was just opening up. Any chance GSO gets a Amazon Prime flight once the CVG is up and running?


I'll see if I can grab one tomorrow on my way to work, I'll swing around the long way.



I basically live next to the FedEx facility . I’ll try to snap a photo if I have a late arrival in the next couple weeks.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:25 am

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The loss of the Admirals Club was a big blow. Would love to see a third party club like GSP has. If they can support one, so can GSO!


With the after-security areas split in two, I doubt a third party club could make it. Even the before-security bars are nearly always empty. However, I firmly believe Delta could support a small Sky Club. There are a ton of corporate and Medallion travelers traveling Delta in/out of GSO. The upgrade lists on the mainline flights to Atlanta usually contain 30+ passengers. Anecdotally, I’ve noticed this number increasing in recent years.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread

Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:40 am

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I know the numbers suggest otherwise, but people in GSO just seem to be trained to accept the drive to either CLT or RDU for cheaper flights. The very few flights done by NK, G4 and the previous flights done by F9 seemed to have minimal impact. The short lived Skybus experiment was the last time GSO saw real LCC competition to any major markets.


I fully agree. Door to door, I live 5 minutes from GSO and about 90 minutes from RDU, yet I fly out of RDU about as often as I fly out of GSO. Most times, the pure convenience of living beside the airport is outweighed by price and nonstop availability (on DL) out of RDU. The Sky Club at RDU helps too. I can fly nonstop to Seattle out of RDU for $250 roundtrip, versus at least $500 for an ATL layover out of GSO. And god knows I don’t want to take a CRJ through Detroit. As a loyal DL flyer, GSO is simply not competitive, and that hurts me. I’m hoping the added LCC pressure will exert downward pressure on the prices of the legacy carriers.

I’ll also add that RDU has such competitive pricing because of its Goldilocks mix of carriers, nonstops, and elite O&D traffic (the latter mainly due to the corporate makeup of the Triangle). GSO has the unfortunate distinction of being located within 90 minutes of RDU and of course CLT, with infinitely many AA nonstops. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a US airport with GSO’s problem.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread

Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:15 pm

GSOflyerDL wrote:
unusualattitude wrote:
I know the numbers suggest otherwise, but people in GSO just seem to be trained to accept the drive to either CLT or RDU for cheaper flights. The very few flights done by NK, G4 and the previous flights done by F9 seemed to have minimal impact. The short lived Skybus experiment was the last time GSO saw real LCC competition to any major markets.


I fully agree. Door to door, I live 5 minutes from GSO and about 90 minutes from RDU, yet I fly out of RDU about as often as I fly out of GSO. Most times, the pure convenience of living beside the airport is outweighed by price and nonstop availability (on DL) out of RDU. The Sky Club at RDU helps too. I can fly nonstop to Seattle out of RDU for $250 roundtrip, versus at least $500 for an ATL layover out of GSO. And god knows I don’t want to take a CRJ through Detroit. As a loyal DL flyer, GSO is simply not competitive, and that hurts me. I’m hoping the added LCC pressure will exert downward pressure on the prices of the legacy carriers.

I’ll also add that RDU has such competitive pricing because of its Goldilocks mix of carriers, nonstops, and elite O&D traffic (the latter mainly due to the corporate makeup of the Triangle). GSO has the unfortunate distinction of being located within 90 minutes of RDU and of course CLT, with infinitely many AA nonstops. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a US airport with GSO’s problem.


it is a fairly unique situation. I wonder (but don't know) if smaller airports near MKE/ORD or BOS/PVD/BDL experience that...being close to a couple decently sized alternatives that are less convenient than their smaller hometown airport. The larger airports with more service being clustered nearby together is definitely more an East Coast / Upper Midwest thing than anywhere else
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:29 pm

Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a US airport with GSO’s problem.

Try CAE. We have CLT, GSP and CHS all located about 90 minutes away. They all have WN and other carriers such as B6. Not a great situation for a state capital.
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:54 am

nikeherc wrote:
Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a US airport with GSO’s problem.

Try CAE. We have CLT, GSP and CHS all located about 90 minutes away. They all have WN and other carriers such as B6. Not a great situation for a state capital.


I think the comparison is valid. Except CAE is right under half the size of the CSA here.
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:55 pm

GSO boardings continue to grow. This is from the Winston-Salem Journal:

Passenger boardings remain on upswing at PTI
The Piedmont Triad Airport Authority said Wednesday that passenger boardings increased 20.5% year over year in March.

There were 88,613 boardings in March, compared with 73,548 a year ago. For the year, boardings are up 16.7% to 231,905.
Delta Air Lines and its affiliates remained the top airline carrier with 33,982 March boardings, up 6.2%. The airline had 39.3 percent of the PTI boardings for the month.
American Airlines and its affiliates were a very close second at 33,394 boardings, up 15.4%. It holds 38.5 percent of the market share.
United Airlines and its affiliates had 12,540 boardings, up 30.6%.
Spirit Airlines was at 5,527.
Allegiant Air was at 2,830 boardings, up 3.2%.

https://www.journalnow.com/business/the ... aaf21.html
A319 A320 A321 A333 AT76 B712 B721 B722 B732 B733 B734 B735 B737 B738 B752 B753 B764 B772 CNA CRJ1 CRJ2 CRJ7 CRJ9 DC87 DC91 DC93 DC95 DH8A DH8B DH8C E140 E145 E170 E175 E190 F27 F100 JS31 JS32 L101 MD82 MD83 MD88 MD90 SF34 SWM
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed May 08, 2019 2:03 am

norcarolinian wrote:
GSO boardings continue to grow.
United Airlines and its affiliates had 12,540 boardings, up 30.6%.


I’m curious as to the impact that VF’s move from Greensboro to Denver had on United’s share growth. One would assume that, at least on the margins, there would be increased round trip traffic between GSO and DEN as a result of the impending move. Anecdotally, I have seen quite a few N_VF Falcons flying between GSO and APA recently...
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 4:18 pm

GSO Total passenger boardings were up 22.32% to 93,369 in April vs same month last year.

DL carried 39,445 - up 14.43%
AA carried 35,556 - up 18.26%
UA carried 13,165 - up 25.38%
NK carried 5,315 - N/A (they have not been here a year yet)
G4 carried 2,748 - up 6.06%

https://flyfrompti.com/download/passeng ... 8470328258

Cargo was also up 75.92%
A319 A320 A321 A333 AT76 B712 B721 B722 B732 B733 B734 B735 B737 B738 B752 B753 B764 B772 CNA CRJ1 CRJ2 CRJ7 CRJ9 DC87 DC91 DC93 DC95 DH8A DH8B DH8C E140 E145 E170 E175 E190 F27 F100 JS31 JS32 L101 MD82 MD83 MD88 MD90 SF34 SWM
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:32 pm

FAA breaks ground for new air traffic tower at GSO:

http://www.aviation.ca/2019060423578/ne ... wer-at-gso
A319 A320 A321 A333 AT76 B712 B721 B722 B732 B733 B734 B735 B737 B738 B752 B753 B764 B772 CNA CRJ1 CRJ2 CRJ7 CRJ9 DC87 DC91 DC93 DC95 DH8A DH8B DH8C E140 E145 E170 E175 E190 F27 F100 JS31 JS32 L101 MD82 MD83 MD88 MD90 SF34 SWM
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:52 pm

GSO Total passenger boardings were up 16.15% to 95,806 in May vs same month last year.

AA carried 38,711 - up 28.66%
DL carried 38,374 - up 8.57%
UA carried 11,427 - down 5.17%
NK carried 4,436 - N/A (they have not been here a year yet)
G4 carried 2,505 - up 1.83%

https://flyfrompti.com/download/passeng ... 1061405300

Cargo was also up 65.74%
A319 A320 A321 A333 AT76 B712 B721 B722 B732 B733 B734 B735 B737 B738 B752 B753 B764 B772 CNA CRJ1 CRJ2 CRJ7 CRJ9 DC87 DC91 DC93 DC95 DH8A DH8B DH8C E140 E145 E170 E175 E190 F27 F100 JS31 JS32 L101 MD82 MD83 MD88 MD90 SF34 SWM
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:53 pm

norcarolinian wrote:
GSO Total passenger boardings were up 16.15% to 95,806 in May vs same month last year.

AA carried 38,711 - up 28.66%
DL carried 38,374 - up 8.57%
UA carried 11,427 - down 5.17%
NK carried 4,436 - N/A (they have not been here a year yet)
G4 carried 2,505 - up 1.83%

https://flyfrompti.com/download/passeng ... 1061405300

Cargo was also up 65.74%


Another month of big cargo gains. Any word if Fedex would add more cities to its current operations?
 
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Re: Greensboro Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:59 pm

Delta28L wrote:
Any word if Fedex would add more cities to its current operations?


Looking at schedules a bit, I've noticed that New Bern and Wilmington now occur again but not daily. Myrtle Beach is now happenning a bit. I've also seen Albany, NY on larger aircraft.

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