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Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:05 am

Delta’s 12th A350 has just arrived in ATL after a delivery flight from TLS the other day. The next A350 route is Seattle to Tokyo Narita, starting March 1st. The 13th A350 will be delivered later this year, and the 14th and 15th A350s will be delivered next year. It is unknown whether or not Delta will take delivery of deferred A350s 16-25 in the 2025-2026 timeframe. With that in mind, what are some routes we could expect the future A350s to be deployed on?
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:10 am

LAX-SYD?
People are saying. Believe me.
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:14 am

Is ATL the only remaining 777 base?
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:20 am

NateGreat wrote:
Delta’s 12th A350 has just arrived in ATL after a delivery flight from TLS the other day. The next A350 route is Seattle to Tokyo Narita, starting March 1st. The 13th A350 will be delivered later this year, and the 14th and 15th A350s will be delivered next year. It is unknown whether or not Delta will take delivery of deferred A350s 16-25 in the 2025-2026 timeframe. With that in mind, what are some routes we could expect the future A350s to be deployed on?


any previous 747 routes have a chance / should get replaced with a A350s. That is my guess.
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:26 am

PDX-NRT?
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:31 am

NateGreat wrote:
It is unknown whether or not Delta will take delivery of deferred A350s 16-25 in the 2025-2026 timeframe.


Really? I wasn't aware of that. Are they considering a different model of A350, or cancelling the order and going with 777 or 787?

I don't know enough about the A350's range and optimal route usage. So, I would think DL would deploy them on high-demand/high profile routes from JFK, DTW, and ATL.
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:31 am

LAX-HND eff. March 31st

Been in the schedule for quite awhile.....
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:34 am

compensateme wrote:
LAX-HND eff. March 31st

Been in the schedule for quite awhile.....

Do you know if this is permanent?
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:36 am

N174UA wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
It is unknown whether or not Delta will take delivery of deferred A350s 16-25 in the 2025-2026 timeframe.


Really? I wasn't aware of that. Are they considering a different model of A350, or cancelling the order and going with 777 or 787?

I don't know enough about the A350's range and optimal route usage. So, I would think DL would deploy them on high-demand/high profile routes from JFK, DTW, and ATL.

When they announced the order for an additional 10 A330-900neo in November, they also announced that the 16th through 25th A350s would be deferred until the 2025-2026 time frame.
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:38 am

NateGreat wrote:
what are some routes we could expect the future A350s to be deployed on?


Its public knowledge, and I assume you know that MSP-PVG starting in 2020 will be flown by A350.
Personally, I suspect that MSP-ICN, which is starting on 77L, will be shifted to A350 pretty rapidly.
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:41 am

FlyHappy wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
what are some routes we could expect the future A350s to be deployed on?


Its public knowledge, and I assume you know that MSP-PVG starting in 2020 will be flown by A350.
Personally, I suspect that MSP-ICN, which is starting on 77L, will be shifted to A350 pretty rapidly.

I forgot about MSP-PVG. I would expect MSP-ICN to shift to an A350 at some point, as ICN is becoming Delta’s biggest city in Asia.
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:09 am

FlyHappy wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
what are some routes we could expect the future A350s to be deployed on?


Its public knowledge, and I assume you know that MSP-PVG starting in 2020 will be flown by A350.
Personally, I suspect that MSP-ICN, which is starting on 77L, will be shifted to A350 pretty rapidly.


Had DL announced MSP-PVG other than just saying they’d like to fly it sometime?

Just like CI said three years ago they were going to restart SEA. Hasn’t happened yet. This may be the same.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:22 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
what are some routes we could expect the future A350s to be deployed on?


Its public knowledge, and I assume you know that MSP-PVG starting in 2020 will be flown by A350.
Personally, I suspect that MSP-ICN, which is starting on 77L, will be shifted to A350 pretty rapidly.


Had DL announced MSP-PVG other than just saying they’d like to fly it sometime?

Just like CI said three years ago they were going to restart SEA. Hasn’t happened yet. This may be the same.


Needs formal approval, but its pretty solid.
Nothing like CI or any SEA route. This is a golden fortress hub, where fares, even to PRC are very high. DL will have feed on both sides, and no competition.
Book it.
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:26 am

FlyHappy wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:

Its public knowledge, and I assume you know that MSP-PVG starting in 2020 will be flown by A350.
Personally, I suspect that MSP-ICN, which is starting on 77L, will be shifted to A350 pretty rapidly.


Had DL announced MSP-PVG other than just saying they’d like to fly it sometime?

Just like CI said three years ago they were going to restart SEA. Hasn’t happened yet. This may be the same.


Needs formal approval, but its pretty solid.
Nothing like CI or any SEA route. This is a golden fortress hub, where fares, even to PRC are very high. DL will have feed on both sides, and no competition.
Book it.


Do you have a start date? I couldn't find any nonstop MSP-PVG flight and I went as far out as Delta's calendar would let me. I see nothing available to book.
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:28 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:

Had DL announced MSP-PVG other than just saying they’d like to fly it sometime?

Just like CI said three years ago they were going to restart SEA. Hasn’t happened yet. This may be the same.


Needs formal approval, but its pretty solid.
Nothing like CI or any SEA route. This is a golden fortress hub, where fares, even to PRC are very high. DL will have feed on both sides, and no competition.
Book it.


Do you have a start date? I couldn't find any nonstop MSP-PVG flight and I went as far out as Delta's calendar would let me. I see nothing available to book.


oh no, its not approved, and not till 2020.
by "book it", I just meant that I believe its a firm certainty the route will actually happen, and not just "CEO speak" ;)

https://news.delta.com/delta-proposes-m ... begin-2020
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:13 am

Is there a chance for the A350 to be deployed in european missions?
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:24 am

DTW-somewhere over there
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:27 am

most interesting to me is when they eventually get one-off domestic flights to reposition aircraft from one hub to another. I've enjoyed some wide bodies on routes like ATL-LAX/SLC
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:38 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
Is there a chance for the A350 to be deployed in european missions?


Delta is flying DTW to AMS with the A350!
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:31 pm

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PDX-NRT?


An A350 is too many seats for PDX-NRT. That will see a 767 until the end of 767 ops - or sooner.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:54 pm

Unless DL puts a refurbished 777 with the Delta One Suite on LAX-SYD consistently, it would seem this route is ripe for the A350 as DL will otherwise have a less competitive product in what is a crowded field. QF are upgrading their A380s, AA has the 789 on the route, as does UA, or is the A350 too much plane for LAX-SYD when there are up to 6 daily flights?
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:02 pm

Wouldn't be too surprised to see DTW-FRA pr CDG be next. LAX-AMS is another one I can think of. Some of the west coast -Europe flights that would be DTW based like DTW-CDG-SEA-CDG-DTW.
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:13 pm

I can imagine a DTW > Germany route, probably FRA
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:49 pm

I would be surprised if DL starts anymore European flights with the A350. They only have 3 more left arriving in the near future. The current DTW-AMS is to maximize utilization. You might see one or too more European routes for utilization purposes, but not anything significant. Asia is the plane’s mission. Europe is the A339’s (although that will do some Asian missions, especially from SEA).
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:57 pm

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I can imagine a DTW > Germany route, probably FRA

DTW-FRA is a 767, they are not going to upgauge it all the way to a A350. FRA is not DL’s strongest market due to LH/UA. The A350 in Europe would be concentrated on AMS, CDG, and LHR.
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:19 pm

dik909 wrote:
I can imagine a DTW > Germany route, probably FRA

Are the DTW-Germany flights always really busy?
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:27 pm

I could have sworn I heard something about ATL-NRT becoming an A350 soon.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:44 pm

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I could have sworn I heard something about ATL-NRT becoming an A350 soon.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... lta%20a350
Just to be followed by this:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... lta%20a350
And also this:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... lta%20a350

So basically, initial plan was using the A359 currently on SEA-NRT to ATL-NRT from 31MAR2019. It'll stay 772LR operation for now, though.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:08 pm

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Is ATL the only remaining 777 base?

No. LAX is also a 777 base.
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:12 pm

Does DL already dly their A350's to AMS? If not, when will they start and on which routes? Delhi maybe?

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Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:13 pm

Does DL already fly their A350's to AMS? If not, when will they start and on which routes? Delhi maybe?

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Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:15 pm

Delta should take delivery of the 16th to 25th A350-900 since they will start flights to ultra far destination not flown currently. Mumbai has been announced but no date for the first flight has been published. Delta could fly to Melbourne and Auckland if Australia and New Zealand were a priority. DTW or MSP to Hong Kong is another, Delta stopped flying there in October, how Delta can't to HKG is beyond comprehension ? HKG was flown by NW for decades.

The A330-900 is great for anything under 12 hours which fits anything in Europe, Latin America and most of Africa.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:15 pm

A388 wrote:
Does DL already dly their A350's to AMS? If not, when will they start and on which routes? Delhi maybe?

A388

They fly DTW-AMS 1x daily. That is the only non TPAC DL A350 route.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:23 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Delta should take delivery of the 16th to 25th A350-900 since they will start flights to ultra far destination not flown currently. Mumbai has been announced but no date for the first flight has been published. Delta could fly to Melbourne and Auckland if Australia and New Zealand were a priority. DTW or MSP to Hong Kong is another, Delta stopped flying there in October, how Delta can't to HKG is beyond comprehension ? HKG was flown by NW for decades.

The A330-900 is great for anything under 12 hours which fits anything in Europe, Latin America and most of Africa.

Are you saying they could swap the deferred 10 A350-900XWBs for 10 A350-900ULRs, for ultra-long haul (12+ hours) routes?
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:49 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
PDX-NRT?


An A350 is too many seats for PDX-NRT. That will see a 767 until the end of 767 ops - or sooner.


It’s speculated that the flight will move to PDX-ICN. It’s been speculated for years that DL will end PDX-NRT but it never seems to happen.

I’m assuming that the A350 is too much airplane for PDX-ICN too. DL doesn’t really have anything in their fleet suitable for thinner routes like that. That’s where the 787-8 would have been useful.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:49 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
PDX-NRT?


An A350 is too many seats for PDX-NRT. That will see a 767 until the end of 767 ops - or sooner.


Duplicate post
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:20 pm

Delta is flying DTW to AMS with the A350![/quote]

I booked a seat on that flight in June. I can't wait!
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:23 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
PDX-NRT?


An A350 is too many seats for PDX-NRT. That will see a 767 until the end of 767 ops - or sooner.


It’s speculated that the flight will move to PDX-ICN. It’s been speculated for years that DL will end PDX-NRT but it never seems to happen.

I’m assuming that the A350 is too much airplane for PDX-ICN too. DL doesn’t really have anything in their fleet suitable for thinner routes like that. That’s where the 787-8 would have been useful.


DL has a Nike contract for PDX-NRT. Don't think it'll go anywhere anytime soon.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:38 pm

DTW-HND and DTW or JFK-BOM
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:41 pm

Polot wrote:
dik909 wrote:
I can imagine a DTW > Germany route, probably FRA

DTW-FRA is a 767, they are not going to upgauge it all the way to a A350. FRA is not DL’s strongest market due to LH/UA. The A350 in Europe would be concentrated on AMS, CDG, and LHR.


Ford just signed a big deal with VW so you never know that might be some additional premium traffic to warrant an upgauge.
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:42 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
PDX-NRT?


An A350 is too many seats for PDX-NRT. That will see a 767 until the end of 767 ops - or sooner.


It’s speculated that the flight will move to PDX-ICN. It’s been speculated for years that DL will end PDX-NRT but it never seems to happen.

I’m assuming that the A350 is too much airplane for PDX-ICN too. DL doesn’t really have anything in their fleet suitable for thinner routes like that. That’s where the 787-8 would have been useful.


Lucky for DL, they have plenty of late model 763 as well as the 332 to operate PDX-NRT.
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:42 pm

I'd be surprised if all the current A350 routes are retained A350. If you look at the sector length you will see that some sectors are ripe for A339. And so IMHO we will see some A359 released for more ideal missions. One can dream on about those..... such as ATL-AKL-SYD or DTW-AKL-SYD but who knows. Only time will tell.
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:15 pm

As of summer 2019, all 13 359s that DL will have on property are spoken for on these routes:
SEA-NRT
LAX-HND
LAX-PVG
DTW-AMS
DTW-NRT
DTW-ICN
DTW-PEK
DTW-PVG
ATL-ICN

I do expect SEA-NRT (and maybe LAX-HND) to move to the 339 once there are some of those in operation, so there should be anywhere from 2-4 frames available for new routes in the near future. If DL is successful in petitioning the DOT to be able to move their HND frequencies around to different gateways, I could see them dropping MSP-HND (instead opting for MSP-PVG along with MSP-ICN) and starting JFK-HND. If JFK-HND were to start, I think it could be a 359 route.

Another sort of "out there" route for the 359 could be SEA-MNL if DL fully draws down the NRT operation but wants to keep serving MNL. However, that would likely be a challenging route as MNL isn't known as a high yield destination.
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:05 pm

FSDan wrote:
As of summer 2019, all 13 359s that DL will have on property are spoken for on these routes:
SEA-NRT
LAX-HND
LAX-PVG
DTW-AMS
DTW-NRT
DTW-ICN
DTW-PEK
DTW-PVG
ATL-ICN

I do expect SEA-NRT (and maybe LAX-HND) to move to the 339 once there are some of those in operation, so there should be anywhere from 2-4 frames available for new routes in the near future. If DL is successful in petitioning the DOT to be able to move their HND frequencies around to different gateways, I could see them dropping MSP-HND (instead opting for MSP-PVG along with MSP-ICN) and starting JFK-HND. If JFK-HND were to start, I think it could be a 359 route.

Another sort of "out there" route for the 359 could be SEA-MNL if DL fully draws down the NRT operation but wants to keep serving MNL. However, that would likely be a challenging route as MNL isn't known as a high yield destination.


I doubt JFK is on DL’s radar, and most certainly not before incumbent services are moved to HND. The future of DL in Tokyo is likely to be HND-ATL, DTW, SEA and LAX. MNL and SIN are likely to be dropped in favor of KE metal at ICN; MNL is a notoriously poor yielding route (UA doesn’t even serve SFO, and the market is likely to get worse if PR executes plans to dump capacity into USA) and SIN would be a stretch given SQ on the route.

MSP-HND, PDX and HNL-NRT are likely drops as well (with MSP gaining PVG and PDX perhaps gaining ICN). Just a few years ago, DL highlighter its beach market flying as a strength, but sadly it quickly changed [insert comment about DL needing the 787 here :p ].
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:34 pm

KICT wrote:
LAX-SYD?


The a.net 'myth' turned out to not be a myth. I'm told Ed confirmed while visiting LAX earlier this week during an employee townhall that DL's current A350s cannot make LAX-SYD without a penalty that DL is unwilling to take, so DL will be putting their retro-fitted 777 that includes the Delta One Suites on LAX-SYD in early April as has been loaded into the schedule.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:49 pm

NateGreat wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Delta should take delivery of the 16th to 25th A350-900 since they will start flights to ultra far destination not flown currently. Mumbai has been announced but no date for the first flight has been published. Delta could fly to Melbourne and Auckland if Australia and New Zealand were a priority. DTW or MSP to Hong Kong is another, Delta stopped flying there in October, how Delta can't to HKG is beyond comprehension ? HKG was flown by NW for decades.

The A330-900 is great for anything under 12 hours which fits anything in Europe, Latin America and most of Africa.

Are you saying they could swap the deferred 10 A350-900XWBs for 10 A350-900ULRs, for ultra-long haul (12+ hours) routes?


Delta doesn't need the A350-900ULR unless Singapore nonstop from the USA is in its site. The regular A359 can fly 16 hours as SFO to Singapore by Singapore Air has shown us.
 
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:49 pm

winginit wrote:
KICT wrote:
LAX-SYD?


The a.net 'myth' turned out to not be a myth. I'm told Ed confirmed while visiting LAX earlier this week during an employee townhall that DL's current A350s cannot make LAX-SYD without a penalty that DL is unwilling to take, so DL will be putting their retro-fitted 777 that includes the Delta One Suites on LAX-SYD in early April as has been loaded into the schedule.


You have good sources but hopefully somebody else can confirm this. In the past few weeks, we’ve had oodles of news reported by the forum allegedly told to various employee groups, and a lot of it is very questionable. And a very credible DL insider reported last year that DL would consider the 359 on routes like SYD and JNB, but not until the 777ER were up for retirement in a decade or so — although he may have been referring to an enhanced 359 model.
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Re: Future Delta A350 Routes

Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:04 pm

Polot wrote:
dik909 wrote:
I can imagine a DTW > Germany route, probably FRA

DTW-FRA is a 767, they are not going to upgauge it all the way to a A350. FRA is not DL’s strongest market due to LH/UA. The A350 in Europe would be concentrated on AMS, CDG, and LHR.


ATL/DTW/JFK to FRA are probably great examples of DL routes that would be an excellent candidate for the 797.
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DTW-HND and DTW or JFK-BOM

The BOM flight is 85% gonna be from ATL, and it will be a 77L.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:10 pm

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NateGreat wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Delta should take delivery of the 16th to 25th A350-900 since they will start flights to ultra far destination not flown currently. Mumbai has been announced but no date for the first flight has been published. Delta could fly to Melbourne and Auckland if Australia and New Zealand were a priority. DTW or MSP to Hong Kong is another, Delta stopped flying there in October, how Delta can't to HKG is beyond comprehension ? HKG was flown by NW for decades.

The A330-900 is great for anything under 12 hours which fits anything in Europe, Latin America and most of Africa.

Are you saying they could swap the deferred 10 A350-900XWBs for 10 A350-900ULRs, for ultra-long haul (12+ hours) routes?


Delta doesn't need the A350-900ULR unless Singapore nonstop from the USA is in its site. The regular A359 can fly 16 hours as SFO to Singapore by Singapore Air has shown us.

It’s a low density 253 seat cabin, Deltas will be a hair under 300 after 4 class mods, even though they are 275t they will have to restrict cargo uplift to get a full cabin.

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