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Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:39 pm

I wish them luck. That is a generous seat pitch in coach.
 
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Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:21 pm

How many airlines does a tiny country like South Korea need ???
 
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Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:36 pm

F27500 wrote:
How many airlines does a tiny country like South Korea need ???


What is up with the anti-South Korea trolls today. It’s a country of more than 50M people, that’s not “tiny”
 
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:47 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
F27500 wrote:
How many airlines does a tiny country like South Korea need ???


What is up with the anti-South Korea trolls today. It’s a country of more than 50M people, that’s not “tiny”


Not just that it's a country of more than 50M people, but also the fact that it's more or less an "island" as ground transport (i.e. cars/trains) can't go through North Korea, which means flying is pretty much the only options getting in/out of South Korea.

Plus, with Asiana being a mess right now, by the time Air Premia fly, god knows if OZ will still be around or not.
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:21 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
F27500 wrote:
How many airlines does a tiny country like South Korea need ???


What is up with the anti-South Korea trolls today. It’s a country of more than 50M people, that’s not “tiny”


Not just that it's a country of more than 50M people, but also the fact that it's more or less an "island" as ground transport (i.e. cars/trains) can't go through North Korea, which means flying is pretty much the only options getting in/out of South Korea.

Plus, with Asiana being a mess right now, by the time Air Premia fly, god knows if OZ will still be around or not.


Also considering Seoul is a humongous tourist and business destination that's growing rapidly you can bet there's room for a carrier like Air Premia (if they play their cards right)
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Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:17 pm

Why would they do 35" on economy? It would make them lose up to 2-3 rows of economy class seat (18-27 loss of seat). Wouldn't it be more logical for them to reduce the pitch to 32" which is above industry standard for FSC. And then lower the ticket prices much further to increase chance to attract more customers?


KE seat pitch for wide-body are 32" and 33"-34".

OZ seat pitch for old wide-body are 33"-34". B767 have 31"-32". But the newest A350-900 have 32"-33" pitch. So we see reductions of pitch. Alongside A220 31" pitch. Down from the 33" average on other older narrowbody.
 
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Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:28 pm

ewt340 wrote:
Why would they do 35" on economy? It would make them lose up to 2-3 rows of economy class seat (18-27 loss of seat). Wouldn't it be more logical for them to reduce the pitch to 32" which is above industry standard for FSC. And then lower the ticket prices much further to increase chance to attract more customers?


KE seat pitch for wide-body are 32" and 33"-34".

OZ seat pitch for old wide-body are 33"-34". B767 have 31"-32". But the newest A350-900 have 32"-33" pitch. So we see reductions of pitch. Alongside A220 31" pitch. Down from the 33" average on other older narrowbody.


Maybe here's an airline that cares about customer comfort instead of squeezing in seats.
 
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:31 pm

Ishrion wrote:
ewt340 wrote:
Why would they do 35" on economy? It would make them lose up to 2-3 rows of economy class seat (18-27 loss of seat). Wouldn't it be more logical for them to reduce the pitch to 32" which is above industry standard for FSC. And then lower the ticket prices much further to increase chance to attract more customers?


KE seat pitch for wide-body are 32" and 33"-34".

OZ seat pitch for old wide-body are 33"-34". B767 have 31"-32". But the newest A350-900 have 32"-33" pitch. So we see reductions of pitch. Alongside A220 31" pitch. Down from the 33" average on other older narrowbody.


Maybe here's an airline that cares about customer comfort instead of squeezing in seats.


Well yeah, but 32" for hybrid airlines sounds good remembering it's above average in terms of space. Also, cheaper ticket prices which is important to undercut KE and OZ.
 
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:45 pm

When they say medium and long haul, I can smell a bit of Asia-Pacific. Is there any spots in Asia worth digging for Air Premia?
 
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Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:26 pm

Pretty much every where in Asia is viable, thanks to the rise of K-pop over the years. South Korea is riding on the local entertainment industry or Hallyu we called it, to generate their tourism industry. Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines among others have strong affinity for such. Also they are targeting Muslim market now (Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia and ME) and Korea Tourism Organisation (KTO) is currently promoting lesser/ smaller known cities/ provinces to draw more tourists.

Truth to be told, 35" in coach is too generous by today's standard. Wish them all the success they can get.
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Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:12 am

B1168 wrote:
When they say medium and long haul, I can smell a bit of Asia-Pacific. Is there any spots in Asia worth digging for Air Premia?


They can't start flying US immediately, so of course they will start from Asia.
KIX, NRT, HKG, HAN, and SGN are where they intend to fly initially.
 
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Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:24 am

ITSTours wrote:
B1168 wrote:
When they say medium and long haul, I can smell a bit of Asia-Pacific. Is there any spots in Asia worth digging for Air Premia?


They can't start flying US immediately, so of course they will start from Asia.
KIX, NRT, HKG, HAN, and SGN are where they intend to fly initially.


I do smell them. But will they use these routes for stable development, or will they choose some further-flung niches that KE or OZ hasn’t been able to touch?
 
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:04 am

jbs2886 wrote:
F27500 wrote:
How many airlines does a tiny country like South Korea need ???


What is up with the anti-South Korea trolls today. It’s a country of more than 50M people, that’s not “tiny”

He is a troll generally not just for South Korea.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:12 am

Its SN re-borne! Seriously though, I don't hate it, but where is the imagination in developing new liveries these days? so much can be done thanks to paint and computer technology, yet liveries are boring as ****
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:22 pm

ALC confirms leases on initial 3 frames.

Air Lease (US) announced long-term lease agreements with Air Premia (South Korea) for three new B787-9s, all scheduled for delivery in 2020. The three Dreamliner aircraft are scheduled to deliver starting in summer 2020 through fall 2020 from ALC’s order book with Boeing.

https://airleasecorp.com/press/air-leas ... air-premia
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:50 pm

The article states the airline intends to commence services to Los Angeles and San Jose, not Los Angeles and San Francisco as many are saying.

I’ve never been to San Jose and know little about it; are the attractions sufficient?
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:20 am

Motorhussy wrote:
The article states the airline intends to commence services to Los Angeles and San Jose, not Los Angeles and San Francisco as many are saying.

I’ve never been to San Jose and know little about it; are the attractions sufficient?


It may be more of a convenience thing for people closer to SJC that don't want to drive up to SFO and deal with that. Most likely it attracts the same audience
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:10 pm

Venezuela747 wrote:
Motorhussy wrote:
The article states the airline intends to commence services to Los Angeles and San Jose, not Los Angeles and San Francisco as many are saying.

I’ve never been to San Jose and know little about it; are the attractions sufficient?


It may be more of a convenience thing for people closer to SJC that don't want to drive up to SFO and deal with that. Most likely it attracts the same audience


Thanks. Had never realised it was part of the Bay Area and part of greater San Francisco (apologies if I’ve offended any Silicon Valley types and San Joseanos).

Had also never really realised there three significant airports serving the area.
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Fri May 03, 2019 5:23 pm

Air Premia reveals first details of cabins.

Will seat 309 in two classes: a 56-seat premium economy class with a 42in seat pitch and 253-seat economy class with a 35in pitch.

Will use Recaro seats (sample photos)

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https://www.aircraftinteriorsinternatio ... abins.html
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Fri May 03, 2019 5:35 pm

To be honest, they look more comfortable than most airline seats around right now.
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Fri May 03, 2019 6:16 pm

That off the shelf Recaro seat is exact seat AA, DL and UA use for their premium economy offering.
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Fri May 03, 2019 9:18 pm

Now Air Premia's existence is in risk. I wrote in the other thread but it was deleted... but Air Premia CEO has resigned and the government will review their business license amendment. If it is not approved then their license will be revoked.

Rumor says that the dispute between the board and the CEO is actually because of the fleet choice. Kim did not want to pursue getting 787-9 because Air Premia could not secure the LOI. (They eventually got it.)
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 3:48 am

Company confirms first longhaul route to Los Angeles.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... s-angeles/

“The Los Angeles route has more demand than supply,” an Air Premia spokesperson said in an interview in Seoul. Besides being a popular leisure destination for visiting Koreans, Los Angeles is home to the largest community of overseas Koreans and Korean-Americans.
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Tue May 28, 2019 4:39 am

mercure1 wrote:
Company confirms first longhaul route to Los Angeles.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... s-angeles/

“The Los Angeles route has more demand than supply,” an Air Premia spokesperson said in an interview in Seoul. Besides being a popular leisure destination for visiting Koreans, Los Angeles is home to the largest community of overseas Koreans and Korean-Americans.


It even noted the rumored AA LAX-ICN... will be interesting to see if they go through with another carrier on the route.
 
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Tue May 28, 2019 10:12 am

There should be plenty of space for competition between LA and Seoul.

As the largest US mainland to Asia market, Premia only needs to garner small pieces of the pie to fill it's planes.
Even with 100% load factor they would only represent about 15% of the market. Add in some stimulation there should be plenty of room for additional player.
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Tue May 28, 2019 3:33 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Besides fact of already having led one successful airline, this startup has the benefit of Korea-US being indeed a massive underlying market.

Just between Seoul and LAX, some 1.2mil flew the route in 2018, making it the largest US mainland to Asia airport pair. Just being able to garner a small share of the existing flow without even much stimulation will fill a daily 787.


In 2018 the California ICN p2p numbers were as follows

LAX - 708,000
SFO - 379,000

So your stat of 1.2 million between lax ICN seems to include transit pax as well as the above are pure P2P only.

Other big US-ICN markets are as follows

JFK - 514,000
SEA - 161,000
ORD - 140,000
IAD - 125,000
ATL - 107,000
LAS - 84,000
DFW - 70,000
BOS - 49,000
IAH - 32,000
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:06 pm

They managed to raise US $147mil investor funding

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... a9989944cc
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:07 pm

That was news back in January. (Article in Korean)
https://www.msn.com/ko-kr/money/topstor ... ar-BBS5gRR
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:57 pm

Seems investors continue pumping money in

Air Premia (South Korea) receives further interest from investors, who have signed on to inject funds into the startup to more than $165 million.

http://lease-works.com
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:09 pm

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Good luck to them.

Korea has already 2 major intercontinental airlines, that's already much for an country with a population of 51 million.

But if you want to start an airline with new airplanes, going with the 787 is safe bet. Also for the lessors of the plane.


Well, Malaysia has been a huge shocker in terms of long-haul LCC success too. Though, the 787 still beats the A330 NEO on efficiency, so at least on that front this'll be an interesting fight.
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:24 am

patrickjp93 wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
Good luck to them.

Korea has already 2 major intercontinental airlines, that's already much for an country with a population of 51 million.

But if you want to start an airline with new airplanes, going with the 787 is safe bet. Also for the lessors of the plane.


Well, Malaysia has been a huge shocker in terms of long-haul LCC success too. Though, the 787 still beats the A330 NEO on efficiency, so at least on that front this'll be an interesting fight.


Unless you operate the A339 9-abreast...
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:35 pm

LA704 wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
Good luck to them.

Korea has already 2 major intercontinental airlines, that's already much for an country with a population of 51 million.

But if you want to start an airline with new airplanes, going with the 787 is safe bet. Also for the lessors of the plane.


Well, Malaysia has been a huge shocker in terms of long-haul LCC success too. Though, the 787 still beats the A330 NEO on efficiency, so at least on that front this'll be an interesting fight.


Unless you operate the A339 9-abreast...

At that point it depends on how much the landing fees (A339 has significantly higher MTOW and thus fees) and maintenance come into play (will the Trent 7000 have problems like the 1000?). The GEnx has had almost 6% in performance PIPs, dwarfing the Trent 1000 TEN in the end, which is why ANZ went with GE on their newest Dreamliners.

Yes, if you shove 420-460 people into an A339, you get better passenger-seat-mile costs than a 298-person 789 (Air Canada Melbourne to Vancouver and Vancouver to Newark), but with Air Asia's 95/5 Economy/Business configuration, you could reasonably shove 370+ people into a 789. For the long-haul market, the A339 carries significantly more fuel and has higher takeoff/landing fees, so I don't know if, say, KUL-SYD is really any better served by an A339 vs. a 789 for the final per-flight profit calculation. Interesting question for sure.
 
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:43 pm

patrickjp93 wrote:
LA704 wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:

Well, Malaysia has been a huge shocker in terms of long-haul LCC success too. Though, the 787 still beats the A330 NEO on efficiency, so at least on that front this'll be an interesting fight.


Unless you operate the A339 9-abreast...

At that point it depends on how much the landing fees (A339 has significantly higher MTOW and thus fees) and maintenance come into play (will the Trent 7000 have problems like the 1000?). The GEnx has had almost 6% in performance PIPs, dwarfing the Trent 1000 TEN in the end, which is why ANZ went with GE on their newest Dreamliners.

Yes, if you shove 420-460 people into an A339, you get better passenger-seat-mile costs than a 298-person 789 (Air Canada Melbourne to Vancouver and Vancouver to Newark), but with Air Asia's 95/5 Economy/Business configuration, you could reasonably shove 370+ people into a 789. For the long-haul market, the A339 carries significantly more fuel and has higher takeoff/landing fees, so I don't know if, say, KUL-SYD is really any better served by an A339 vs. a 789 for the final per-flight profit calculation. Interesting question for sure.


Actually, A330-900neo have lower MTOW compared to B787-9.

Both A330-900neo with 9-abreast and B787-9 with 9-abreast would have the same seating count with Air Asia configurations. So, in terms of capacity, it's comparable. But the main thing would come down to purchasing price and the fact that A330-900neo efficiency on shorter routes would be better.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:36 pm

ewt340 wrote:
But the main thing would come down to purchasing price and the fact that A330-900neo efficiency on shorter routes would be better.

Isn't that part of the reason why 5J went with the A339 instead of the 787, because they would be used more for regional flights as opposed to long-haul?
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:59 am

Government approves Air Premia business plan paving the way to obtaining AOC.

Company targeting September 2020 first flight. Planned markets are U.S., Canada and Vietnam.

Gov't approves Air Premia's revised business plan
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/tech/2 ... 75612.html
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Re: Korean start up Air Premia selects 787-9

Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:23 pm

ewt340 wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
LA704 wrote:

Unless you operate the A339 9-abreast...

At that point it depends on how much the landing fees (A339 has significantly higher MTOW and thus fees) and maintenance come into play (will the Trent 7000 have problems like the 1000?). The GEnx has had almost 6% in performance PIPs, dwarfing the Trent 1000 TEN in the end, which is why ANZ went with GE on their newest Dreamliners.

Yes, if you shove 420-460 people into an A339, you get better passenger-seat-mile costs than a 298-person 789 (Air Canada Melbourne to Vancouver and Vancouver to Newark), but with Air Asia's 95/5 Economy/Business configuration, you could reasonably shove 370+ people into a 789. For the long-haul market, the A339 carries significantly more fuel and has higher takeoff/landing fees, so I don't know if, say, KUL-SYD is really any better served by an A339 vs. a 789 for the final per-flight profit calculation. Interesting question for sure.


Actually, A330-900neo have lower MTOW compared to B787-9.

Both A330-900neo with 9-abreast and B787-9 with 9-abreast would have the same seating count with Air Asia configurations. So, in terms of capacity, it's comparable. But the main thing would come down to purchasing price and the fact that A330-900neo efficiency on shorter routes would be better.


3 tonnes is not much difference in MTOW to be fair, and in the case of the A330 it's a double loss considering the heavier wing and body. But then again I don't know of Air Asia being much of a hybrid cargo carrier, so in the end the commonality and lack of need to retrain pilots is probably too good for Air Asia to pass up.

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