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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:54 am

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Qantas has scheduled a one-off A380 for MEL-NRT on Oct 21 for a charter flight, replacing the A330 on QF79/QF80 that day. NRT-MEL is the charter leg but MEL-NRT open for regular bookings.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2019/


qf789 beat you by a few days, see post #391 ;)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:14 am

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rtav wrote:

All Tiger A320’s will eventually be sent to VARA - Tiger is going all 738.


After hearing rumours for several months I have only received something more substantial today that A320's are going to replace F100's


It's a bit of a capacity jump, wonder if all those seats are needed.

I would have thought a few A320s as they're coming off TT's leases could be swapped for some sourced A319s which must be a bargain in the current market surely.
Would beat flying empty seats around and still offer the commonality of the A320s.
(the counter argument being would VA really want another aircraft type....)

Would that make them the first A319 Operator in Australia, that is if they get them?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:30 am

Air New Zealand A320neo to serve CHC-SYD/MEL/OOL/BNE from mid March

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2019/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:31 am

Some amusing antics from a young South Australian instructor....

https://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/pilo ... xJs8RuSeVQ
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:33 am

JQ321 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
qf789 wrote:

After hearing rumours for several months I have only received something more substantial today that A320's are going to replace F100's


It's a bit of a capacity jump, wonder if all those seats are needed.

I would have thought a few A320s as they're coming off TT's leases could be swapped for some sourced A319s which must be a bargain in the current market surely.
Would beat flying empty seats around and still offer the commonality of the A320s.
(the counter argument being would VA really want another aircraft type....)

Would that make them the first A319 Operator in Australia, that is if they get them?


Skytraders already operate the A319 - VH-VCJ/VH-VHD
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:38 am

JQ321 wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
qf789 wrote:

After hearing rumours for several months I have only received something more substantial today that A320's are going to replace F100's


It's a bit of a capacity jump, wonder if all those seats are needed.

I would have thought a few A320s as they're coming off TT's leases could be swapped for some sourced A319s which must be a bargain in the current market surely.
Would beat flying empty seats around and still offer the commonality of the A320s.
(the counter argument being would VA really want another aircraft type....)

Would that make them the first A319 Operator in Australia, that is if they get them?


For an airline yes but for an operator no, Skytraders has 2 A319's VH-VCJ and VH-VHD
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:16 am

Samoa Airways will deploy 737MAX9 to both SYD and BNE from early April

https://blueswandaily.com/samoa-airways ... -apr-2019/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:17 am

Well TT was suppose to get a few A319’s originally when it first started, but they went to the Singapore arm instead.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:23 am

Routeonline's interview with Russell Shaw, GM for network, revenue management and alliances

A couple of highlights

HKG - pleased with demand, surprised about the amount of passengers transferring on to VS HKG-LHR
Building brand awareness in China
Exploring new opportunities - deploy 1-2 A330's into Asia, 737MAX8's open up new short haul opportunities
Trans Tasman - adjusting to current market conditions

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... s-network/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:52 am

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It is a surprise they are swapping the NT 717s for 737s, but i think this may be more to do with the 717s being wanted elsewhere? With the closure of the DRW-CNS route and the DRW-ASP-PER route (which was operated by DRW base), the DRW 717 base is being removed?

I'm guessing the ASP-DRW service will be operated by an east coast based 737.

I would have thought the F100s would be a good size for the NT, but probably not worth justifying a new base. Otherwise might be a better fit for an Airnorth E170, especially with NT GOV trying to reduce expenses.


717s being wanted/needed elsewhere is part of the point I originally made. And yes, the DRW 717 base is closing.

The timings on PER-DRW and vv. some days has changed, making me think it's more likely the DRW-ASP service will be operated by PER base.


If the 717 utilisation were higher, then QF could not only maintain ASP-DRW, but also keep the recently announced increases on SYD-HBA and SYD-MCY. There is so much slack in the MCY, SYD, and HBA based aircraft that I had assumed further expansion for NS19 would be announced, but it appears too late for that now. It is clear there are other reasons behind the ASP-DRW change.
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:09 am

Expect one of the former VA E190's to return next month on delivery to Cobham. My understanding at this stage is it will be VH-ZPH as she has recently been undertaking test flying in the States.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:54 pm

Qantas announces first half results, underlying profit before tax $780 million down $179 million mainly due to increase in fuel costs

A new waste management reduction program has been announced

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... fuel-bill/

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... o-remarks/

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ntal-push/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:00 pm

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It is a surprise they are swapping the NT 717s for 737s, but i think this may be more to do with the 717s being wanted elsewhere? With the closure of the DRW-CNS route and the DRW-ASP-PER route (which was operated by DRW base), the DRW 717 base is being removed?

I'm guessing the ASP-DRW service will be operated by an east coast based 737.

I would have thought the F100s would be a good size for the NT, but probably not worth justifying a new base. Otherwise might be a better fit for an Airnorth E170, especially with NT GOV trying to reduce expenses.


717s being wanted/needed elsewhere is part of the point I originally made. And yes, the DRW 717 base is closing.

The timings on PER-DRW and vv. some days has changed, making me think it's more likely the DRW-ASP service will be operated by PER base.


If the 717 utilisation were higher, then QF could not only maintain ASP-DRW, but also keep the recently announced increases on SYD-HBA and SYD-MCY. There is so much slack in the MCY, SYD, and HBA based aircraft that I had assumed further expansion for NS19 would be announced, but it appears too late for that now. It is clear there are other reasons behind the ASP-DRW change.


The DRW base uses all economy B717s, with the exception of some operations over the past few months while several of the all economy aircraft have come through heavy maintenance in CBR (and NXD was repainted in TSV). There is some increase in B717 ops at places at KTA, BME and others in WA, though I wouldn't have said it was equivalent to 2+ lines of flying.

There has been quite a bit of expansion announced with the two class aircraft - B717s will be back on ISA (indeed they already are operating some ISA services), a number of B737 services at TSV and CNS are being replaced with B717s (including the overnighting service at TSV), and there is the HBA increase you mentioned. I believe I also noticed some additional flying on ADL, and I'd suggest MKY might've seen an increase in B717 ops as well. My understanding is that some of the two class aircraft are scheduled for maintenance later this year, and of course 19/20 B717s still need to go through repaint at some point.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:19 pm

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Expect one of the former VA E190's to return next month on delivery to Cobham. My understanding at this stage is it will be VH-ZPH as she has recently been undertaking test flying in the States.


According to planespotters.net, VH-ZPH will be heading over to Swiss airline Helvetic.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:56 am

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Unfortunately, many on here have never seen an airline route performance matrix


eta, ive had this on my list of things to look at and google isnt throwing up something that seems like a standard. What do you usually see on the axes of this? performance (in profitably terms) I expect on one, what do you see on the others? Volumes, loads, other? I guess they could be multidimensional based on the data available and analysis desired?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:50 am

QF says since the introduction of PER-LHR, LHR is profitable for the first time since 2010

https://twitter.com/chamberlinchris/sta ... 07456?s=21
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:32 am

qf 789 should be the moderator again in philippine aviation forum.i need to click everywhere,like 4x,to get on their current page.it wasn't like that before.:( greetings from zrh to australia:)
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:03 am

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According to planespotters.net, VH-ZPH will be heading over to Swiss airline Helvetic.


Then it will be one her sisters, it's definitely one of the ones that was sent to Nashville.
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:04 am

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QF says since the introduction of PER-LHR, LHR is profitable for the first time since 2010

https://twitter.com/chamberlinchris/sta ... 07456?s=21


That’s impressive and shocking at the same time. I wonder what the strategic value was of keeping so much capacity on londone for 8-9years... I wonder how JFK is going.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:57 am

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That’s impressive and shocking at the same time. I wonder what the strategic value was of keeping so much capacity on londone for 8-9years... I wonder how JFK is going.

LAX-JFK Sector might not always be great down the back, but the business class cabin load factor makes it worth it from day one.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:11 am

smi0006 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF says since the introduction of PER-LHR, LHR is profitable for the first time since 2010

https://twitter.com/chamberlinchris/sta ... 07456?s=21


That’s impressive and shocking at the same time. I wonder what the strategic value was of keeping so much capacity on londone for 8-9years... I wonder how JFK is going.


That's unbelievable, that LHR has been unprofitable for almost a decade. For most of that time, until the 787 launched, we're talking 2 x A380s each way and each day, loads always seemed healthy enough, plenty of business class plus first class, and QF has been losing money on this? Was it down to the A380s, or crew costs, or what exactly? Incredible!
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:21 am

Re LHR, it is now clear why QF walked away from Emirates and DXB as soon as possible once the 5 year agreement ended. I was ecstatic when the EK agreement was announced, and remained a staunch supporter of the agreement practically up until today, but clearly it wasn't delivering for Qantas.

To say that Qantas did nothing for close to a decade isn't fair. The EK agreement (2013-2018) was premised on the basis that Qantas was losing money to LHR and therefore had to take a radical change in direction. At the time this seemed like the best path to take. It obviously didn't work out, but they had locked themselves in to maintaining capacity so basically couldn't make any changes until it expired.

Just think, QF-EK actually requested a 10 year term but were knocked back to 5 by the ACCC! They couldn't have launched PER-LHR or made other changes for another 4 years if the ACCC had granted the original proposal.
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:21 am

qf2220 wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
Unfortunately, many on here have never seen an airline route performance matrix


eta, ive had this on my list of things to look at and google isnt throwing up something that seems like a standard. What do you usually see on the axes of this? performance (in profitably terms) I expect on one, what do you see on the others? Volumes, loads, other? I guess they could be multidimensional based on the data available and analysis desired?


I wouldn't call it a standard as different airlines would have slightly different matrices, plus it's proprietary information. I admit some of the things I've been hit with are somewhat questionable, but that's the way it is with some companies. I work in Commercial Dept. so I can access the info. At the same time, I find I'm getting more and more frustrated on these forums and don't contribute as much now as there are more things than just load factor and yield that most posters harp on about- constantly- without seeing the whole picture.
FYI here are some interesting figures...
Under operational costs every pax that passes through a jetway the airline is slugged about 10 cents. Every bag that goes down the conveyor belt is about 5 cents. Aeronautical charges in AU are high- this is the number one complaint from head office.
Don't get me started on how much a bread roll costs in catering charges.
Then you get other fixed costs added into route performance- like aircraft leasing costs. Sometimes an aircraft type not operated to your station is added too- so the entire network can absorb the costs.

My real frustration comes from the parochial BNE fanboys who are only concerned about the number of new airlines serving their city- you know what- be careful what you wish for. In certain markets there is overcapacity as airports are concerned with attracting as many airlines and passengers for their bottom line- understandable- that's their job. Unfortunately, if QR was to start BNE, do you think EY or the 3rd EK flight could survive? And what about Thai Air Asia X- how will their new flight affect TG's scaled down current operation? And does anyone expect BI to stay after their subsidy runs out? Rant over.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:36 am

This is new, Qantas is considering joint orders for the Boeing 777-8 and 777-9, or the A350-1000ULR and standard A350-1000, with one set of jets for ultra long range Project Sunrise routes and the other for 'normal' international routes. Qantas also says 2020 will see an order to replace the domestic Boeing 737 fleet, A320neo or 737 MAX or 797 'Mom'.

https://www.reuters.com/article/qantas- ... SL3N20G2W6
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:34 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
This is new, Qantas is considering joint orders for the Boeing 777-8 and 777-9, or the A350-1000ULR and standard A350-1000, with one set of jets for ultra long range Project Sunrise routes and the other for 'normal' international routes. Qantas also says 2020 will see an order to replace the domestic Boeing 737 fleet, A320neo or 737 MAX or 797 'Mom'.

https://www.reuters.com/article/qantas- ... SL3N20G2W6


I would've thought it had always been the case that whatever was ordered for the Sunrise project, also got ordered in its "normal" model for traditional routes. That's where I see the 777 having the edge with the 777-9 being that little bit bigger than the 350, but still capable of flying everything the 744 and 380 do now, whilst the -8 does the ULH.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:01 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
This is new, Qantas is considering joint orders for the Boeing 777-8 and 777-9, or the A350-1000ULR and standard A350-1000, with one set of jets for ultra long range Project Sunrise routes and the other for 'normal' international routes. Qantas also says 2020 will see an order to replace the domestic Boeing 737 fleet, A320neo or 737 MAX or 797 'Mom'.

https://www.reuters.com/article/qantas- ... SL3N20G2W6


Not really 'new', just confirms what has been discussed for a long time. It was always going to be the case that the 35K or 77X would replace the A380s and add capacity to 789 (ex-744) routes, depending on who won the Sunrise tender.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:06 am

eta unknown wrote:
My real frustration comes from the parochial BNE fanboys who are only concerned about the number of new airlines serving their city- you know what- be careful what you wish for. In certain markets there is overcapacity as airports are concerned with attracting as many airlines and passengers for their bottom line- understandable- that's their job. Unfortunately, if QR was to start BNE, do you think EY or the 3rd EK flight could survive? And what about Thai Air Asia X- how will their new flight affect TG's scaled down current operation? And does anyone expect BI to stay after their subsidy runs out? Rant over.


Allegedly BNE will get 20 new airlines this year.

I do wonder what impacts XJ might have on TG, however I saw it more of an opportunity for more service to Thailand, the same can be said for AVV too, where XJ might be able to fill the void left by TG. Though TG's presence in MEL is still abit more substantial at 11 weekly vs BNE's 4 weekly, BNE to Thailand is still underserved though. Most of the demand will be outbound rather than inbound, Thailand was never really a high yielding destination from Australia, low VFR traffic compared to neighbouring SE Asian nations.
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:13 am

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Allegedly BNE will get 20 new airlines this year.


20 :eyebrow:

Given that there aren't any new start-up Australian based airlines on the horizon, then the 20 would be have to be international airlines. There are circa 30 international airlines currently flying into BNE, so I think BNE getting 20 new airlines this year is somewhat fanciful...
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:25 am

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I do wonder what impacts XJ might have on TG, however I saw it more of an opportunity for more service to Thailand, the same can be said for AVV too, where XJ might be able to fill the void left by TG. Though TG's presence in MEL is still abit more substantial at 11 weekly vs BNE's 4 weekly, BNE to Thailand is still underserved though. Most of the demand will be outbound rather than inbound, Thailand was never really a high yielding destination from Australia, low VFR traffic compared to neighbouring SE Asian nations.


Thailand in general has been low yielding for a long time now. The days of QF1/QF2 and the high flyer traffic has long gone.

Saying that BNE-BKK/DMK is underserved, however the route has been low yielding for a long while considering TG had flew BNE as a BKK-SYD-BNE-BKK triangular routing in the early 2000s before the 772/77W and prior to the engine issues (which grounded the 788s), settling with the 788 for low yielding markets BNE and PER.

Perhaps XJ might be able to make BNE-DMK work to some extent with the LCC nature and capturing the low yielding traffic to Thailand and beyond, TG and XJ may possibly be able to co-exist on the BNE-Bangkok route. BUT it may be at the expense of TG restoring the BNE-BKK flights to daily, deciding to remain at x4 weekly or possibly even scale back to x3 weekly.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:41 am

Re BNE-BKK... a lot of that traffic is transit to HKT which now largely goes via SQ with their 4 daily BNE-SIN flights. I don't think BNE-BKK with the current 772 4x/week is helping and I think that's why the 788 was previously rostered on to BNE- to keep the ops costs way down- the 773 was overkill.

And here's the other issue... BNE-BKK is largely ex AU originating, so in low season the route suffers as there's no inbound traffic to sustain it. BNE-DPS is worse with about 95% ex AU traffic, hence the Malindo cut backs. VA survives on a good chunk of SYD overspill and MEL/NZ-BNE-DPS transits. JQ just fare dumps with aggressive marketing and a large EDM marketing base, but low season loads can be horrible, although not sure if worse than the BNE-HNL loads of a few years ago, some of which were shocking. Again, be careful what you wish for...
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:51 pm

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Re BNE-BKK... a lot of that traffic is transit to HKT which now largely goes via SQ with their 4 daily BNE-SIN flights. I don't think BNE-BKK with the current 772 4x/week is helping and I think that's why the 788 was previously rostered on to BNE- to keep the ops costs way down- the 773 was overkill.



Unfortunately for TG the 772 is the best they can do at the moment with 5 of 6 788's grounded thanks to RR
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:24 pm

Here is the full fleet list and up to date WIFI for VA

737-700

VH-VBY (144Y - Kingston Beach)
VH-VBZ (144Y - Cronulla Beach)

737-800

VH-BZG (8J168Y - Vivonne Bay) WIFI
VH-VOK (8J168Y - Johanna Beach)
VH-VOL (8J168Y - Newport Beach)
VH-VOM (8J168Y - Fairhaven Beach)
VH-VON (8J168Y - Greenmount Point)
VH-VOO (8J168Y - Peaceful Bay) WIFI
VH-VOP (8J168Y - Indian Head) WIFI
VH-VOQ (8J168Y - Margaret River)
VH-VOS (8J168Y - Chiton Rocks)
VH-VOT (8J168Y - Scarborough Beach)
VH-VUA (8J168Y - Vesteys Beach)
VH-VUC (8J168Y - Peregian Beach)
VH-VUE (8J168Y - Curl Curl Beach)
VH-VUF (8J168Y - Hobart Honey)
VH-VUG (8J168Y - Jasmine Tasman)
VH-VUH (8J168Y - Lady Rebecca) WIFI
VH-VUI (8J168Y - Kewarra Beach)
VH-VUJ (8J168Y - Rosebud Beach)
VH-VUK (8J168Y - Seaford Beach)
VH-VUL (8J168Y - Ocean Grove)
VH-VUO (8J168Y - Eighty Mile Beach) WIFI
VH-VUP (8J168Y - Lighthouse Beach) WIFI
VH-VUQ (8J168Y - Merewether Beach) WIFI
VH-VUR (8J168Y - Star City) WIFI
VH-VUS (8J168Y - Seaspray Beach) WIFI
VH-VUT (8J168Y - Alma Bay) WIFI
VH-VUU (8J168Y - Kingscliff Beach) WIFI
VH-VUV (8J168Y - Binalong Beach)
VH-VUW (8J168Y - Pebbly Beach) WIFI
VH-VUX (8J168Y - NIghcliff Beach)
VH-VUY (8J168Y - Snapper Rocks)
VH-VUZ (8J168Y - Lennox Head)
VH-YFC (8J168Y - Bondi Beach) WIFI
VH-YFE (8J168Y - Sunshine Beach) WIFI
VH-YFF (8J168Y) WIFI
VH-YFG (8J168Y - Hanson Bay) WIFI
VH-YFH (8J168Y - Mindil Beach) WIFI
VH-YFI (8J168Y - Porpoise Bay) WIFI
VH-YFJ (8J168Y - Surfers Paradise Beach) WIFI
VH-YFK (8J168Y - Long Beach) WIFI
VH-YFL (8J168Y - Sandy Bay) WIFI
VH-YFN (8J168Y - Ballina Beach) WIFI
VH-YFP (8J168Y - Nobby's Beach) WIFI
VH-YFQ (8J168Y - Whiting Beach) WIFI
VH-YFR (8J168Y - Scamander Beach) WIFI
VH-YFS (8J168Y - Sellicks Beach) WIFI
VH-YFT (8J168Y - Admirals Arch) WIFI
VH-YFU (8J168Y - Emu Bay) WIFI
VH-YFV (8J168Y - Princess Charlotte Bay) WIFI
VH-YFW (8J168Y - Turquoise Bay) WIFI
VH-YFX (8J168Y - Mackenzies Bay) WIFI
VH-YFY (8J168Y - Mungalla) WIFI
VH-YFZ (8J168Y - Lake St Clair) WIFI
VH-YIA (8J168Y) WIFI
VH-YIB (8J168Y - Trinity Beach) WIFI
VH-YID (8J168Y - Marouba Beach) WIFI
VH-YIE (8J168Y - Fingal Beach) WIFI
VH-YIF (8J168Y - Sorrento Beach) WIFI
VH-YIG (8J168Y - Kings Beach) WIFI
VH-YIH (8J168Y - Hastings Point) WIFI
VH-YIJ (8J168Y - Pennington Bay) WIFI
VH-YIL (8J168Y - Seventy Five Mile Beach) WIFI
VH-YIM(8J168Y - Bridgewater Bay) WIFI
VH-YIO (8J168Y - Lameroo Beach) WIFI
VH-YIQ (8J168Y - Hyams Beach) WIFI
VH-YIR (8J168Y - Cactus Beach) WIFI
VH-YIS (8J168Y - Casuarina Beach) WIFI
VH-YIT (8J168Y - Lammermoor Beach) WIFI
VH-YIU (8J168Y - Middleton Beach) WIFI
VH-YIV (8J168Y - Cyliner Beach) WIFI
VH-YIW (8J168Y - Mona Vale Beach) WIFI
VH-YIY (8J168Y - Stanwell Park) WIFI
VH-YIZ (8J168Y - Black Rock) WIFI
VH-YVA (8J168Y) WIFI
VH-YVC (8J168Y - Jetty Beach) WIFI
VH-YVD (8J168Y - Salmon Beach) WIFI
VH-YWA (8J168Y - Cable Beach) WIFI
VH-YWD (8J168Y - Tinamirakuna) WIFI
VH-YWE (8J168Y - Dreamtime Beach) WIFI


777-300/ER

VH-VOZ (37J24W278Y - Palm Beach) WIFI
VH-VPD (37J24W278Y - Avalon Beach) WIFI
VH-VPE (37J24W278Y - Noosa Heads Beach) WIFI
VH-VPF (37J24W278Y - Caves Beach) WIFI
VH-VPH (37J24W278Y - St Kilda Beach) WIFI


A330-200

VH-XFC (20J255Y - Mooloolaba Beach)
VH-XFD (20J255Y - Bells Beach)
VH-XFE (20J255Y - Manly Beach)
VH-XFG (20J255Y - Terrigal Beach)
VH-XFH (20J255Y - Duranbah Beach)
VH-XFJ (20J255Y - Gnaraloo Bay)


ATR-72

VH-FVN (68Y - Whitehaven Beach)
VH-FVP (68Y - Wategos Beach)
VH-FVQ (68Y - Christies Beach)
VH-FVR (68Y - Yallingup Beach)
VH-FVY (68Y - Marcoola Beach)
VH-FVZ (68Y - Angourie Beach)
VH-VPI (68Y - Bronte Beach)
VH-VPJ (68Y - Monkey Mia)


VIRGIN REGIONAL


A320-200

VH-FNP (162Y - Honeymoon Cove)
VH-VNJ (162Y - Cossies Beach)
VH-VNP (162Y - Little Parakeet Bay)
VH-YUD (162Y - Port Beach)


Fokker 100

VH-FNC (100Y)
VH-FNJ (100Y - Talbot Bay)
VH-FNN (100Y - Cape Naturaliste)
VH-FNR (100Y - Lake Argyle)
VH-FNT (100Y)
VH-FNU (100Y - Roebuck Bay)
VH-FNY (100Y)
VH-FSQ (100Y - Bills Bay)
VH-FSW (100Y) SkyWest Livery
VH-FWH (100Y - Swan River)
VH-FWI (100Y)
VH-FZH (100Y)
VH-FZI (100Y)
VH-FZO (100Y)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:45 pm

Sorry to be pedantic but the 73Gs are 8J/120Y.

Also the ATRs are operated by VARA.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:59 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
Sorry to be pedantic but the 73Gs are 8J/120Y.

Also the ATRs are operated by VARA.



ATR's have been VAA operated for a few years. VARA only manage F100's and A320's.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:05 am

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Here is the full fleet list and up to date WIFI for VA

737-700

VH-VBY (144Y - Kingston Beach)
VH-VBZ (144Y - Cronulla Beach)

737-800

VH-BZG (8J168Y - Vivonne Bay) WIFI
VH-VOK (8J168Y - Johanna Beach)
VH-VOL (8J168Y - Newport Beach)
VH-VOM (8J168Y - Fairhaven Beach)
VH-VON (8J168Y - Greenmount Point)
VH-VOO (8J168Y - Peaceful Bay) WIFI
VH-VOP (8J168Y - Indian Head) WIFI
VH-VOQ (8J168Y - Margaret River)
VH-VOS (8J168Y - Chiton Rocks)
VH-VOT (8J168Y - Scarborough Beach)
VH-VUA (8J168Y - Vesteys Beach)
VH-VUC (8J168Y - Peregian Beach)
VH-VUE (8J168Y - Curl Curl Beach)
VH-VUF (8J168Y - Hobart Honey)
VH-VUG (8J168Y - Jasmine Tasman)
VH-VUH (8J168Y - Lady Rebecca) WIFI
VH-VUI (8J168Y - Kewarra Beach)
VH-VUJ (8J168Y - Rosebud Beach)
VH-VUK (8J168Y - Seaford Beach)
VH-VUL (8J168Y - Ocean Grove)
VH-VUO (8J168Y - Eighty Mile Beach) WIFI
VH-VUP (8J168Y - Lighthouse Beach) WIFI
VH-VUQ (8J168Y - Merewether Beach) WIFI
VH-VUR (8J168Y - Star City) WIFI
VH-VUS (8J168Y - Seaspray Beach) WIFI
VH-VUT (8J168Y - Alma Bay) WIFI
VH-VUU (8J168Y - Kingscliff Beach) WIFI
VH-VUV (8J168Y - Binalong Beach)
VH-VUW (8J168Y - Pebbly Beach) WIFI
VH-VUX (8J168Y - NIghcliff Beach)
VH-VUY (8J168Y - Snapper Rocks)
VH-VUZ (8J168Y - Lennox Head)
VH-YFC (8J168Y - Bondi Beach) WIFI
VH-YFE (8J168Y - Sunshine Beach) WIFI
VH-YFF (8J168Y) WIFI
VH-YFG (8J168Y - Hanson Bay) WIFI
VH-YFH (8J168Y - Mindil Beach) WIFI
VH-YFI (8J168Y - Porpoise Bay) WIFI
VH-YFJ (8J168Y - Surfers Paradise Beach) WIFI
VH-YFK (8J168Y - Long Beach) WIFI
VH-YFL (8J168Y - Sandy Bay) WIFI
VH-YFN (8J168Y - Ballina Beach) WIFI
VH-YFP (8J168Y - Nobby's Beach) WIFI
VH-YFQ (8J168Y - Whiting Beach) WIFI
VH-YFR (8J168Y - Scamander Beach) WIFI
VH-YFS (8J168Y - Sellicks Beach) WIFI
VH-YFT (8J168Y - Admirals Arch) WIFI
VH-YFU (8J168Y - Emu Bay) WIFI
VH-YFV (8J168Y - Princess Charlotte Bay) WIFI
VH-YFW (8J168Y - Turquoise Bay) WIFI
VH-YFX (8J168Y - Mackenzies Bay) WIFI
VH-YFY (8J168Y - Mungalla) WIFI
VH-YFZ (8J168Y - Lake St Clair) WIFI
VH-YIA (8J168Y) WIFI
VH-YIB (8J168Y - Trinity Beach) WIFI
VH-YID (8J168Y - Marouba Beach) WIFI
VH-YIE (8J168Y - Fingal Beach) WIFI
VH-YIF (8J168Y - Sorrento Beach) WIFI
VH-YIG (8J168Y - Kings Beach) WIFI
VH-YIH (8J168Y - Hastings Point) WIFI
VH-YIJ (8J168Y - Pennington Bay) WIFI
VH-YIL (8J168Y - Seventy Five Mile Beach) WIFI
VH-YIM(8J168Y - Bridgewater Bay) WIFI
VH-YIO (8J168Y - Lameroo Beach) WIFI
VH-YIQ (8J168Y - Hyams Beach) WIFI
VH-YIR (8J168Y - Cactus Beach) WIFI
VH-YIS (8J168Y - Casuarina Beach) WIFI
VH-YIT (8J168Y - Lammermoor Beach) WIFI
VH-YIU (8J168Y - Middleton Beach) WIFI
VH-YIV (8J168Y - Cyliner Beach) WIFI
VH-YIW (8J168Y - Mona Vale Beach) WIFI
VH-YIY (8J168Y - Stanwell Park) WIFI
VH-YIZ (8J168Y - Black Rock) WIFI
VH-YVA (8J168Y) WIFI
VH-YVC (8J168Y - Jetty Beach) WIFI
VH-YVD (8J168Y - Salmon Beach) WIFI
VH-YWA (8J168Y - Cable Beach) WIFI
VH-YWD (8J168Y - Tinamirakuna) WIFI
VH-YWE (8J168Y - Dreamtime Beach) WIFI


777-300/ER

VH-VOZ (37J24W278Y - Palm Beach) WIFI
VH-VPD (37J24W278Y - Avalon Beach) WIFI
VH-VPE (37J24W278Y - Noosa Heads Beach) WIFI
VH-VPF (37J24W278Y - Caves Beach) WIFI
VH-VPH (37J24W278Y - St Kilda Beach) WIFI


A330-200

VH-XFC (20J255Y - Mooloolaba Beach)
VH-XFD (20J255Y - Bells Beach)
VH-XFE (20J255Y - Manly Beach)
VH-XFG (20J255Y - Terrigal Beach)
VH-XFH (20J255Y - Duranbah Beach)
VH-XFJ (20J255Y - Gnaraloo Bay)


ATR-72

VH-FVN (68Y - Whitehaven Beach)
VH-FVP (68Y - Wategos Beach)
VH-FVQ (68Y - Christies Beach)
VH-FVR (68Y - Yallingup Beach)
VH-FVY (68Y - Marcoola Beach)
VH-FVZ (68Y - Angourie Beach)
VH-VPI (68Y - Bronte Beach)
VH-VPJ (68Y - Monkey Mia)


VIRGIN REGIONAL


A320-200

VH-FNP (162Y - Honeymoon Cove)
VH-VNJ (162Y - Cossies Beach)
VH-VNP (162Y - Little Parakeet Bay)
VH-YUD (162Y - Port Beach)


Fokker 100

VH-FNC (100Y)
VH-FNJ (100Y - Talbot Bay)
VH-FNN (100Y - Cape Naturaliste)
VH-FNR (100Y - Lake Argyle)
VH-FNT (100Y)
VH-FNU (100Y - Roebuck Bay)
VH-FNY (100Y)
VH-FSQ (100Y - Bills Bay)
VH-FSW (100Y) SkyWest Livery
VH-FWH (100Y - Swan River)
VH-FWI (100Y)
VH-FZH (100Y)
VH-FZI (100Y)
VH-FZO (100Y)


Just a correction to the list - VH-FSW is no longer in SkyWest Livery, VH-FNY remains the only a/c in Skywest Livery
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:17 am

So looks like VA will probably complete the 737 Inflight Internet rollout before QF.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:29 am

moa999 wrote:
So looks like VA will probably complete the 737 Inflight Internet rollout before QF.


Yes, VA expects 737s to be completed by mid-year.. There was some confusion about the 73Gs which is still unclear. It is also likely 2 of the older 738s will be moved to TT (one heading to paint this weekend) so they won't be done. I believe QF are probably a few months behind that schedule though it has fitted a few of the domestic-centric A332s (EBA-EBE range) with SkyMuster WiFi whereas VA won't start its A330s until July.

As far as long-haul is concerned, VA has finished its 77Ws. I don't believe QF has even announced what product it will use for the international fleet (380/333/332/789) but it has to be different form the domestic fleet which only work with the NBN SkyMuster satellites.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:42 am

tullamarine wrote:
moa999 wrote:
So looks like VA will probably complete the 737 Inflight Internet rollout before QF.


Yes, VA expects 737s to be completed by mid-year.. There was some confusion about the 73Gs which is still unclear. It is also likely 2 of the older 738s will be moved to TT (one heading to paint this weekend) so they won't be done. I believe QF are probably a few months behind that schedule though it has fitted a few of the domestic-centric A332s (EBA-EBE range) with SkyMuster WiFi whereas VA won't start its A330s until July.

As far as long-haul is concerned, VA has finished its 77Ws. I don't believe QF has even announced what product it will use for the international fleet (380/333/332/789) but it has to be different form the domestic fleet which only work with the NBN SkyMuster satellites.


I personally have found on QF 737 Transcon PER flights, the internet drops out over the bight, anyone else found this?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:02 am

tullamarine wrote:
I don't believe QF has even announced what product it will use for the international fleet (380/333/332/789) but it has to be different form the domestic fleet which only work with the NBN SkyMuster satellites.


QF is expected to use the ViaSat system, specifically the ViaSat-3 'constellation' of 3 satellites with Ka-band spot beams, launching between 2020 and 2022.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:10 am

jrfspa320 wrote:

I personally have found on QF 737 Transcon PER flights, the internet drops out over the bight, anyone else found this?


To be expected with the relatively narrow spot beams of the NBN satellites - not focussed at water.

Trade off for better speeds. Same reason why QF has no service to NZ.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:04 am

ThunderB wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Sorry to be pedantic but the 73Gs are 8J/120Y.

Also the ATRs are operated by VARA.



ATR's have been VAA operated for a few years. VARA only manage F100's and A320's.


Very interesting, when did this happen?

From talking to ATR cabin crew it sounds like they are still a separate fleet. I would have assumed that if they were VA [mainline] staff that they would be type rated for the ATR/737/330.

What was the benefit of bringing the ATRs in house?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:18 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
ThunderB wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Sorry to be pedantic but the 73Gs are 8J/120Y.

Also the ATRs are operated by VARA.



ATR's have been VAA operated for a few years. VARA only manage F100's and A320's.



What was the benefit of bringing the ATRs in house?

It may have been a reaction to the maintenance and training issues that were experienced at VARA with the ATRs. They had a lot on their hands as the Skywest integration took lace and then they had to introduce the A320s. I assume VA were concerned how it was all panning out and decided to get a better handle on the ATR operations.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:44 am

tullamarine wrote:
It may have been a reaction to the maintenance and training issues that were experienced at VARA with the ATRs. They had a lot on their hands as the Skywest integration took lace and then they had to introduce the A320s. I assume VA were concerned how it was all panning out and decided to get a better handle on the ATR operations.


I was under the assumption that XR already had one A320 online for mining/charter operations. IIRC, the second A320 was only introduced after the VA takeover.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:14 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
ThunderB wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Sorry to be pedantic but the 73Gs are 8J/120Y.

Also the ATRs are operated by VARA.



ATR's have been VAA operated for a few years. VARA only manage F100's and A320's.


Very interesting, when did this happen?

From talking to ATR cabin crew it sounds like they are still a separate fleet. I would have assumed that if they were VA [mainline] staff that they would be type rated for the ATR/737/330.

What was the benefit of bringing the ATRs in house?


From what I can tell the ATRs were brought to mainline late 2015. They still see, to have separate FA groups, as many are CBR based and CBR only has ATR FAs.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:55 am

SCFlyer wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
It may have been a reaction to the maintenance and training issues that were experienced at VARA with the ATRs. They had a lot on their hands as the Skywest integration took lace and then they had to introduce the A320s. I assume VA were concerned how it was all panning out and decided to get a better handle on the ATR operations.


I was under the assumption that XR already had one A320 online for mining/charter operations. IIRC, the second A320 was only introduced after the VA takeover.


Mostly agree, I think XR had two A320s prior to VA’s purchase of them.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:17 am

Obzerva wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
It may have been a reaction to the maintenance and training issues that were experienced at VARA with the ATRs. They had a lot on their hands as the Skywest integration took lace and then they had to introduce the A320s. I assume VA were concerned how it was all panning out and decided to get a better handle on the ATR operations.


I was under the assumption that XR already had one A320 online for mining/charter operations. IIRC, the second A320 was only introduced after the VA takeover.


Mostly agree, I think XR had two A320s prior to VA’s purchase of them.



Yes they got #2 online just before the purchase. The old TT birds still have a couple of years or so left before their lease ends, so may as well use the planes with the charter/WA flying. So if the work picks up, they could extend some or rotate the old ones out and continue flying the ones with longer lease periods.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:03 pm

QFA98 has 12 hr delay on VH-ZND. Is the 789 broken or they didn’t have flight crew?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:33 pm

Captdasbomb wrote:
QFA98 has 12 hr delay on VH-ZND. Is the 789 broken or they didn’t have flight crew?

Qantas source reports as a crew issue delay: http://theqantassource.com/qantas-b787- ... ong-delay/

I would say someone called in sick while on layover in HKG and hence the delay; I could be wrong though.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:09 pm

Is there still much buzz about the Australian pilot shortage? I recall CASA unveiling a particular visa for foreign pilots to enter the country and obtain jobs but not much else has been released about the program.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:34 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
This is new, Qantas is considering joint orders for the Boeing 777-8 and 777-9, or the A350-1000ULR and standard A350-1000, with one set of jets for ultra long range Project Sunrise routes and the other for 'normal' international routes. Qantas also says 2020 will see an order to replace the domestic Boeing 737 fleet, A320neo or 737 MAX or 797 'Mom'.

https://www.reuters.com/article/qantas- ... SL3N20G2W6


The lack of much discussion of future 787 fleet orders is a bit interesting.

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