Company received an anonymous letter identifying a flight attendant as a porn star acting under the name "sukisukigirl". The next day, she was pulled off the line and called in for a 3-hour disciplinary hearing.

There, she claims the following happened:
- They grilled her and made her watch multiple videos/view multiple photos of "sukisukigirl" so that she could say it was not her. She says their tone made it sound like they did not believe her.
- They asked her personal questions such as whether or not she had a foreign boyfriend and if her boyfriend ever had tattoos because the fellow "actor" had tattoos.
- They made her search the web to see if there were any disturbing photos of her online.
- They then made her sign a legal affidavit saying that she was not the person in the video.
- She was let off with a warning to be careful online so she does not damage the company's image or there will be consequences.
- Because of the hearing, rumors began to circulate amongst her coworkers that she was working as a prostitue/pornstar in her offtime.
- She says that because of this, she now has PTSD and she wants time off. The company denied all her applications and found her doctors note to be illegitimate because the company psychologist did not see anything wrong.
- The company supposedly found out after that "SukiSukiGirl" is actually a person from the Netherlands, though the company denies this. Company says the hearing was not unfounded, and that the union having her do a public conference has made her supposed "PTSD" worse. They will not grant her leave and she is expected to report to duty as scheduled.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3629487

I have to say the actress looks talented.

I think that would be good case for a solicitor, in Europe at least, if she'd like to make some easy money. Yes, if she's a port star the company may be concerned about their image and from their point of view they have every right to be. The fact however, that they made her watch porn movies/search for her nude photos on "official" meeting is a clear harassment. As is declining doctor's sick note.

She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.

on the side of this case, what's wrong of having a part time job in the porn industry?
as long as you pay the taxes.
if a male flight attendant was involved, we probably will be here clapping our hands and saying "lucky him" to each other.
many persons live thanks to the porn industry. having a side job, if it does not interfer with your full time job, and again, if you pay the taxes, cannot be discussed by anyone. if that job is in the porn industry, maybe your priest or your mother can say something about the moral, but then the body's yours and you can decide what to do with it.
or am I wrong?

Well, it is her body and her decision what to do with it. As far as I'm with her on that, I can also understand the board. Regardless of image damage a potential porn actress can do to the company, the board had no right to handle the complaint like they did.

I bet the board had a great time reviewing the footage, probably several times just to make sure it was or wasn't the FA. I'm sure she was professional enough not to appear in or out of Eva's uniform so what's the big deal ?

Also - BR seems to have an open policy of not hiring male flight attendants - you must be a female to do that job. This is against most Asian carriers, including core rival CI. Even MI have now opened the doors to men. BR's attitude seems archaic, IMO.

Cheers,

C.

Flight attendants are there to save you, not to serve you. If any flight attendant needs leave for mental distress, the company should take that seriously. Especially if aggressive false accusations from the company lead to the distress!

spacecadet wrote:

She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.

You don't see how dragging a poor young girl into a room in such a manner when she is innocent the whole time and the resulting implications from her peers with rumors spreading like wildfire could lead to PTSD? I think you need to do a Google search for types of PTSD, friend.

I suppose this is one of these cases to which feminists regard to accusing all of us (men) of constant harrasment and whatever their minds can come up with. When I was reading the article I actualy had a feeling that a bunch of old perverts were enjoying a porn in a company of a young, likely beautiful woman.
Sounds more like a joke than professional meeting. They all should be relieved from their posts. And that should be done to protect the image of a company, for which they claim they care so much.

Does the American fat man watch those porn before requesting special service on the plane?

spacecadet wrote:

She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.

I think you lost the story way before that, as she didn't claim PTSD over a disciplinary meeting.

Best regards
Thomas

The image of a 200kg fat American (or fat anybody) having his rear wiped by a "stewardess" is an image I wish I could permanently delete from my personal memory banks.
Are these not allowed in carry-on?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003DQU8P0

planemanofnz wrote:

Also - BR seems to have an open policy of not hiring male flight attendants - you must be a female to do that job. This is against most Asian carriers, including core rival CI. Even MI have now opened the doors to men. BR's attitude seems archaic, IMO.

Cheers,

C.

Try JL/KE/NH/OZ for your argument.

Michael

Judging from the volume on the internet it appears to me that almost every person has something embarrassing on the internet with the % increasing as they spent more of their lives in the current digital age. So, the other issue is that it’s probably a much larger % of their employees than they imagine.

I don't know or care if the FA is a porn star, but the photos of her holding that mike?

eamondzhang wrote:

planemanofnz wrote:

Also - BR seems to have an open policy of not hiring male flight attendants - you must be a female to do that job. This is against most Asian carriers, including core rival CI. Even MI have now opened the doors to men. BR's attitude seems archaic, IMO.

Cheers,

C.

Try JL/KE/NH/OZ for your argument.

Michael

Agree about JL and NH

But KE and OZ have at least 2 or so male flght attendants - they used to function as kind of security guard but not sure if they do still. The chief purser forced to disembark was male KE crew

puercaeli wrote:

eamondzhang wrote:

planemanofnz wrote:

Also - BR seems to have an open policy of not hiring male flight attendants - you must be a female to do that job. This is against most Asian carriers, including core rival CI. Even MI have now opened the doors to men. BR's attitude seems archaic, IMO.

Cheers,

C.

Try JL/KE/NH/OZ for your argument.

Michael

Agree about JL and NH

But KE and OZ have at least 2 or so male flght attendants - they used to function as kind of security guard but not sure if they do still. The chief purser forced to disembark was male KE crew

Forgot about that, thanks. But KE and OZ does have not too many male attendants AFAIK - well to be honest NH also has a tiny bit, mostly foreign based, but considering their size we can almost conclude the figure's too insignificant to be comparable.

I do notice on my few experience with BR that I didn't see a male cabin crew though.

Michael

eamondzhang wrote:

puercaeli wrote:

eamondzhang wrote:

Try JL/KE/NH/OZ for your argument.

Michael

Agree about JL and NH

But KE and OZ have at least 2 or so male flght attendants - they used to function as kind of security guard but not sure if they do still. The chief purser forced to disembark was male KE crew

Forgot about that, thanks. But KE and OZ does have not too many male attendants AFAIK - well to be honest NH also has a tiny bit, mostly foreign based, but considering their size we can almost conclude the figure's too insignificant to be comparable.

I do notice on my few experience with BR that I didn't see a male cabin crew though.

Michael

BR is not comparable to those airlines - as you say, at least NH, KE and OZ all hire males, just not on an equal footing to women (but then, airlines like EK and QR do the same). Airlines like JL, NH and KE also hire different nationalities for their crew. BR - in contrast - has no male crew, and no non-Taiwanese crew. To me, it is sort of strange, considering most other carriers from Greater China (and wider Asia) are more progressive on the gender and/or nationality front, and Taiwan tends to be one of the more progressive societies in Asia.

Cheers,

C.

planemanofnz wrote:

eamondzhang wrote:

puercaeli wrote:

Agree about JL and NH

But KE and OZ have at least 2 or so male flght attendants - they used to function as kind of security guard but not sure if they do still. The chief purser forced to disembark was male KE crew

Forgot about that, thanks. But KE and OZ does have not too many male attendants AFAIK - well to be honest NH also has a tiny bit, mostly foreign based, but considering their size we can almost conclude the figure's too insignificant to be comparable.

I do notice on my few experience with BR that I didn't see a male cabin crew though.

Michael

BR is not comparable to those airlines - as you say, at least NH, KE and OZ all hire males, just not on an equal footing to women (but then, airlines like EK and QR do the same). Airlines like JL, NH and KE also hire different nationalities for their crew. BR - in contrast - has no male crew, and no non-Taiwanese crew. To me, it is sort of strange, considering most other carriers from Greater China (and wider Asia) are more progressive on the gender and/or nationality front, and Taiwan tends to be one of the more progressive societies in Asia.

Cheers,

C.

BR hires Thai, Vietnamese, and Japanese FAs!

hayzel777 wrote:

planemanofnz wrote:

eamondzhang wrote:

Forgot about that, thanks. But KE and OZ does have not too many male attendants AFAIK - well to be honest NH also has a tiny bit, mostly foreign based, but considering their size we can almost conclude the figure's too insignificant to be comparable.

I do notice on my few experience with BR that I didn't see a male cabin crew though.

Michael

BR is not comparable to those airlines - as you say, at least NH, KE and OZ all hire males, just not on an equal footing to women (but then, airlines like EK and QR do the same). Airlines like JL, NH and KE also hire different nationalities for their crew. BR - in contrast - has no male crew, and no non-Taiwanese crew. To me, it is sort of strange, considering most other carriers from Greater China (and wider Asia) are more progressive on the gender and/or nationality front, and Taiwan tends to be one of the more progressive societies in Asia.

Cheers,

C.

BR hires Thai, Vietnamese, and Japanese FAs!

Didn't know that - okay. Though, I note though that JL, NH and KE all hire non-Asian nationalities so arguably are more diverse than BR. My main issue is on the gender front. I don't understand why BR pursues gender discrimination so openly, given how progressive Taiwan is on many gender-related fronts (e.g. I think the only East Asian territory to currently have a female head of government and state, and having the largest LGBT Pride event in East Asia, etc).

Cheers,

C.

Hmmm what’s worse a girl that did porn for a few years or a flight attendant that used to sleep with random men on every layover. Like my buddies ex fiancé. A nice girl to bring home to mom and dad. Didnt a certain American Carrier fire a bunch of flight attendants for prostitution in Accra.

enilria wrote:

Judging from the volume on the internet it appears to me that almost every person has something embarrassing on the internet with the % increasing as they spent more of their lives in the current digital age. So, the other issue is that it’s probably a much larger % of their employees than they imagine.

If you are over 35 not likely unless you are an idiot. Plus smart phones didn’t really hit the scene until 2010.

enilria wrote:

Judging from the volume on the internet it appears to me that almost every person has something embarrassing on the internet with the % increasing as they spent more of their lives in the current digital age. So, the other issue is that it’s probably a much larger % of their employees than they imagine.

That’s the reason why you don’t record anything or take any photos that you don’t want online, regardless of the recipient.

Unless she did so with her uniform or she's open to her acquaintances about this side project, then screw BR, let people live their lives as they want. Also, I agree with those saying that watching hours of porn with (probably) horny males accusing a woman of being her on the screen, is harassment. This measures are worse for BR than an employee that does or did porn.

hayzel777 wrote:

Company received an anonymous letter identifying a flight attendant as a porn star acting under the name "sukisukigirl". The next day, she was pulled off the line and called in for a 3-hour disciplinary hearing.

An aunt of mine had a delightful little dog she called "Suki"
However, in this case, I believe the correct pronunciation is "sucky-sucky-girl"
My apologies if that offends anyone, but it is most likely the unfortunate truth.

hayzel777 wrote:

- They grilled her and made her watch multiple videos/view multiple photos of "sukisukigirl" so that she could say it was not her.
She says their tone made it sound like they did not believe her.
- They then made her sign a legal affidavit saying that she was not the person in the video.

I know that to western eyes "they all look the same", but when Eva's own management cannot be certain if she is the girl in the videos.....

hayzel777 wrote:

- They asked her personal questions such as whether or not she had a foreign boyfriend and if her boyfriend ever had tattoos because the fellow "actor" had tattoos.

I was intrigued by this, and the suggestion Sukisukigirl was Dutch. So I did some research of my own (Yes, I know, it's a tough assignment, but someone's got to do it).
As it happens, I didn't even have to leave the house; it turns out my son's computer has a collection of videos....

According to a bio that may or may not be true, SukiSukiGirl was born in Thailand Sep 10, 1999. Further research leads me to believe she lives in Jupiter, FL with her American husband, who appears to be a part-time cage fighter, part-time amateur porn star, and not surprisingly has a collection of tattoos.

In contrast, this FA has served with Eva Air for 8 years, which suggests she is considerably older than 19, let alone all the other aspects that don't add up.

Setting all the humor aside, this young lady was treated abyssmally.
She should have had the option to have a (female) union rep by her side.
And if her initial response was that she had never made any videos of this type, there was absolutely no requirement to force her to view them.

Although it shouldn't apply to this FA in this case, FWIW, as the woman who flipped the bird at Trump's limo found out, actions you take in your private life can later be detrimental to your employment.

BR does owe at least a public apology upon finding out it wasn’t her.

eamondzhang wrote:

planemanofnz wrote:

Also - BR seems to have an open policy of not hiring male flight attendants - you must be a female to do that job. This is against most Asian carriers, including core rival CI. Even MI have now opened the doors to men. BR's attitude seems archaic, IMO.

Cheers,

C.

Try JL/KE/NH/OZ for your argument.

Michael

I fly KE/OZ often. Almost twice a month.. there are lots of male FAs, I would say there are more males on the regional flights (I.e intro-Asia) but there aren’t a “few” of them as claimed. I’ve taken flights were male FAs were more than half the crew especially on KE. As for JL, I find most male FAs in business class cabin.

enilria wrote:

Judging from the volume on the internet it appears to me that almost every person has something embarrassing on the internet with the % increasing as they spent more of their lives in the current digital age. So, the other issue is that it’s probably a much larger % of their employees than they imagine.

Or, as Hugh Hefner famously said, "Relax, it's just sex!".

I wish I could post what Redd Foxx said.

The third wave feminists would have a field day with this one...

On another note, as long as the actor/actress isn't in uniform, and is as anonymous as possible, then I don't see the possible harm to the brand. I seem to remember a story, a long time ago, about a DL (I believe) flight attendant who started a channel on one of these sites and posted a video of her in uniform... Now that's a whole different story. Then again, DL also fired a flight attendant for posting photos on her blog of her legs showing and perhaps a bit too much cleavage, so my mind might be confusing airlines.

In any event, sucks that she got accused for something she didn't do. That wouldn't fly for a second in the US environment for sure, hopefully she can move on and not suffer too many repercussions later on. Good on her for wearing that mask.

PS: Anonymous letter.... Pissed off ex-boyfriend, or jealous colleague??

FatCat wrote:

on the side of this case, what's wrong of having a part time job in the porn industry?
as long as you pay the taxes.
if a male flight attendant was involved, we probably will be here clapping our hands and saying "lucky him" to each other.
many persons live thanks to the porn industry. having a side job, if it does not interfer with your full time job, and again, if you pay the taxes, cannot be discussed by anyone. if that job is in the porn industry, maybe your priest or your mother can say something about the moral, but then the body's yours and you can decide what to do with it.
or am I wrong?

In the realm of 2 things I'd never thought would cross, it's because they don't want to be outed to the public (with very few exceptions, they don't reveal their real names and their stage names aren't usually even shortened forms of such). Now, as for why Evergreen Group would be concerned, she's a front-line employee and there is the idea that they don't want someone who could potentially give improper favors based on side work. I can understand the position of Evergreen Group. I also wonder if the fact that EVA Air is a private company (Evergreen Group is owned by Taiwan's Chang family and not publicly traded) plays a role. (A family fallout led to a family member deciding to start his own airline.)

BTW, for the OP, it's always capitalized---EVA Air.

She's filing all these claims of harassment and PTSD and horror and drama and abuse … but yet is covering her face in her interview? Why? Cuz she knows she'd be recognized by all her fans … ruining her case.

Sounds more like America here than Taiwan.

spacecadet wrote:

She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.

You must not be a woman in a male dominated society, in which men are congratulated for acting out sexually, while women (who these same men are having sex with) are expected to be chaste and virginal.

Think back to high school (or middle school). The guys who claimed to have scored with a girl on campus achieved status, while the girls involved were accused of being sluts and subjected to ridicule, humiliation and discipline. Men accused of such conduct have (in the recent past anyway) have gotten away with such sexually inappropriate conduct. For a woman in a patriarchal society, however, (which is just about every society) the mere accusation could ruin her career, and her life. I can see that these accusations against a female employee would be deeply terrifying.

Many men (and I assume) women view pornography on a regular basis and pornography viewing among Asian men is well known. It seems a bit hypocritical to enjoy watching pornography, yet ridicule and condemn the women who appear in the videos.

I hope she pursues a claim against the airline and wins big.

Andrw wrote:

I think that would be good case for a solicitor, in Europe at least, if she'd like to make some easy money. Yes, if she's a port star the company may be concerned about their image and from their point of view they have every right to be. The fact however, that they made her watch porn movies/search for her nude photos on "official" meeting is a clear harassment. As is declining doctor's sick note.

But as she is not in the EU & it appears there is not a harassment law. It's a useless point. She can't sue them in the EU.

F27500 wrote:

She's filing all these claims of harassment and PTSD and horror and drama and abuse … but yet is covering her face in her interview? Why? Cuz she knows she'd be recognized by all her fans … ruining her case.

Sounds more like America here than Taiwan.

Wtf. Seriously, that's what you would expect from someone who does need more unwarranted humiliation. Especially in an East Asian country where the culture doesn't really condone anything that may come off as individualistic attention seeking.

Everything described is f*cking awful especially considering it wasn't even her. It'd also be a violation of civil law in the US to handle the situation like they did, even if it was her. No idea about Taiwanese law.

Edit: Yes, Taiwan appears to have laws at least as robust as ours. The airline probably can and will be sued.

https://tw.mobi.yahoo.com/news/快訊-空姐遭誣拍不雅片-長榮航空-無不當約談-135254642.html
Eva Air claimed that their action were based on the principle of protection and care and to avoid further spreading of rumor and there were no inappropriate hearing.

c933103 wrote:

https://tw.mobi.yahoo.com/news/快訊-空姐遭誣拍不雅片-長榮航空-無不當約談-135254642.html
Eva Air claimed that their action were based on the principle of protection and care and to avoid further spreading of rumor and there were no inappropriate hearing.

As I just looked up, Taiwanese law looks a lot like US law on this issue. I can tell you my employer similarly acted on a "rumor" under a similar premise that it was for my "protection". Thing is, I realized they were breaking laws and reported it to a higher tier of management immediately and gave them a chance to clean up that pile of legal liability the middle level management created.

This is likely the actions of complete idiot middle managers.

From the headline, I was led to believe this had something to do with scantily clad people at a barbecue.

Talk about clickbait.

Wait! Eva Air staff watch porn?
They must watch it and they must be working around the lady mentioned to make an observation that she has some ressemblance between the lady and the pornstar.

That's creepy.

Jouhou wrote:

c933103 wrote:

https://tw.mobi.yahoo.com/news/快訊-空姐遭誣拍不雅片-長榮航空-無不當約談-135254642.html
Eva Air claimed that their action were based on the principle of protection and care and to avoid further spreading of rumor and there were no inappropriate hearing.

As I just looked up, Taiwanese law looks a lot like US law on this issue. I can tell you my employer similarly acted on a "rumor" under a similar premise that it was for my "protection". Thing is, I realized they were breaking laws and reported it to a higher tier of management immediately and gave them a chance to clean up that pile of legal liability the middle level management created.

This is likely the actions of complete idiot middle managers.

word

aside: I know at least one production called "Airline Girls" And layovers play a role in it

VV wrote:

Wait! Eva Air staff watch porn?

Yes, they probably do. It is a surprisingly common phenomenon. The execs and ordinary staff at your favorite airline probably do it too.

VV wrote:

They must watch it and they must be working around the lady mentioned to make an observation that she has some ressemblance between the lady and the pornstar.

No, they were responding (albeit in a most unprofessional manner) to an anonymous letter.
Without watching the video, how would they know if the anonymous had any substance?
What if Sukisukigirl turned out to be a 6'2" female body builder with F-cup breasts? That would end the story right there.

The alternative was to ignore the claim, and not examine the video evidence.
Perhaps, to avoid embarrassment on both sides, they should have contracted out this task to a Private Investigator?

In my own case, I somehow managed to assemble enough evidence from mere snippets of video, followed by proper investigative research.

What is surprising is that EVA Air considered there must have been enough resemblance between this FA and sukisukigirl to warrant further investigation.

This thread is predominantly about how EVA Air mishandled that investigation.

That's creepy.

No, that's just you.

EVA Air... the airline that just advocates for their flight attendants, don't they? First they let that man (who claims to be disabled in flight and needs help to have his back passage wiped but suddenly is okay once he's on the ground), continue to fly on their flights, I understand they will try to get their US based lawyers to contact the man in Thailand, who no doubt is having a whale of a time currently, to get him to have a carer to accompany him on the flight back. Yeah, like that's going to happen.

Now, an unfounded accusation against a BR Flight Attendant without prior thorough research done by her manager or HR before pulling her into a disciplinary, and not taking into account the role they play into her subsequent humiliation, lack of duty of care, or care about her mental well being. To have her google herself... it's not for the accused to prove her innocence, it's for the airline's management to prove she has indeed done what was accused. It's really not on and to be a Star Alliance member too.

Chasensfo wrote:

Flight attendants are there to save you, not to serve you. If any flight attendant needs leave for mental distress, the company should take that seriously. Especially if aggressive false accusations from the company lead to the distress!

spacecadet wrote:

She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.

You don't see how dragging a poor young girl into a room in such a manner when she is innocent the whole time and the resulting implications from her peers with rumors spreading like wildfire could lead to PTSD? I think you need to do a Google search for types of PTSD, friend.

She should sue. This was uncalled for. Does the contract prohibit side work? Poor girl.

Lightsaber

F27500 wrote:

She's filing all these claims of harassment and PTSD and horror and drama and abuse … but yet is covering her face in her interview? Why? Cuz she knows she'd be recognized by all her fans … ruining her case.

Sounds more like America here than Taiwan.

You sound special, bless your heart

Jouhou wrote:

F27500 wrote:

She's filing all these claims of harassment and PTSD and horror and drama and abuse … but yet is covering her face in her interview? Why? Cuz she knows she'd be recognized by all her fans … ruining her case.

Sounds more like America here than Taiwan.

Wtf. Seriously, that's what you would expect from someone who does need more unwarranted humiliation. Especially in an East Asian country where the culture doesn't really condone anything that may come off as individualistic attention seeking.

Everything described is f*cking awful especially considering it wasn't even her. It'd also be a violation of civil law in the US to handle the situation like they did, even if it was her. No idea about Taiwanese law.

Edit: Yes, Taiwan appears to have laws at least as robust as ours. The airline probably can and will be sued.

Of course it was her.

F27500 wrote:

Of course it was her.

And you know this how?

Nah, don't bother; I have just realised I broke the first rule of internet.

Don't feed the trolls.

SheikhDjibouti wrote:

F27500 wrote:

Of course it was her.

And you know this how?

Nah, don't bother; I have just realised I broke the first rule of internet.

Don't feed the trolls.

Wink wink.

spacecadet wrote:

She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.

Being forced to watch sexual material by your employer under these conditions is pretty damn disturbing, I’d say. Followed by the refusal to respect medical advice. There is a real power imbalance here. I think it’s reasonable to feel significant distress about the episode.

They already contacted a lawyer but it seems they cannot sue. He was at her press conference and he said he is "disappointed".

'Eva Air Criticized over Porn Grilling'
Is that a euphemism?