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spacecadet wrote:She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.
spacecadet wrote:She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.
planemanofnz wrote:Also - BR seems to have an open policy of not hiring male flight attendants - you must be a female to do that job. This is against most Asian carriers, including core rival CI. Even MI have now opened the doors to men. BR's attitude seems archaic, IMO.
Cheers,
C.
eamondzhang wrote:planemanofnz wrote:Also - BR seems to have an open policy of not hiring male flight attendants - you must be a female to do that job. This is against most Asian carriers, including core rival CI. Even MI have now opened the doors to men. BR's attitude seems archaic, IMO.
Cheers,
C.
Try JL/KE/NH/OZ for your argument.
Michael
puercaeli wrote:eamondzhang wrote:planemanofnz wrote:Also - BR seems to have an open policy of not hiring male flight attendants - you must be a female to do that job. This is against most Asian carriers, including core rival CI. Even MI have now opened the doors to men. BR's attitude seems archaic, IMO.
Cheers,
C.
Try JL/KE/NH/OZ for your argument.
Michael
Agree about JL and NH
But KE and OZ have at least 2 or so male flght attendants - they used to function as kind of security guard but not sure if they do still. The chief purser forced to disembark was male KE crew
eamondzhang wrote:puercaeli wrote:eamondzhang wrote:Try JL/KE/NH/OZ for your argument.
Michael
Agree about JL and NH
But KE and OZ have at least 2 or so male flght attendants - they used to function as kind of security guard but not sure if they do still. The chief purser forced to disembark was male KE crew
Forgot about that, thanks. But KE and OZ does have not too many male attendants AFAIK - well to be honest NH also has a tiny bit, mostly foreign based, but considering their size we can almost conclude the figure's too insignificant to be comparable.
I do notice on my few experience with BR that I didn't see a male cabin crew though.
Michael
planemanofnz wrote:eamondzhang wrote:puercaeli wrote:
Agree about JL and NH
But KE and OZ have at least 2 or so male flght attendants - they used to function as kind of security guard but not sure if they do still. The chief purser forced to disembark was male KE crew
Forgot about that, thanks. But KE and OZ does have not too many male attendants AFAIK - well to be honest NH also has a tiny bit, mostly foreign based, but considering their size we can almost conclude the figure's too insignificant to be comparable.
I do notice on my few experience with BR that I didn't see a male cabin crew though.
Michael
BR is not comparable to those airlines - as you say, at least NH, KE and OZ all hire males, just not on an equal footing to women (but then, airlines like EK and QR do the same). Airlines like JL, NH and KE also hire different nationalities for their crew. BR - in contrast - has no male crew, and no non-Taiwanese crew. To me, it is sort of strange, considering most other carriers from Greater China (and wider Asia) are more progressive on the gender and/or nationality front, and Taiwan tends to be one of the more progressive societies in Asia.
Cheers,
C.
hayzel777 wrote:planemanofnz wrote:eamondzhang wrote:Forgot about that, thanks. But KE and OZ does have not too many male attendants AFAIK - well to be honest NH also has a tiny bit, mostly foreign based, but considering their size we can almost conclude the figure's too insignificant to be comparable.
I do notice on my few experience with BR that I didn't see a male cabin crew though.
Michael
BR is not comparable to those airlines - as you say, at least NH, KE and OZ all hire males, just not on an equal footing to women (but then, airlines like EK and QR do the same). Airlines like JL, NH and KE also hire different nationalities for their crew. BR - in contrast - has no male crew, and no non-Taiwanese crew. To me, it is sort of strange, considering most other carriers from Greater China (and wider Asia) are more progressive on the gender and/or nationality front, and Taiwan tends to be one of the more progressive societies in Asia.
Cheers,
C.
BR hires Thai, Vietnamese, and Japanese FAs!
enilria wrote:Judging from the volume on the internet it appears to me that almost every person has something embarrassing on the internet with the % increasing as they spent more of their lives in the current digital age. So, the other issue is that it’s probably a much larger % of their employees than they imagine.
enilria wrote:Judging from the volume on the internet it appears to me that almost every person has something embarrassing on the internet with the % increasing as they spent more of their lives in the current digital age. So, the other issue is that it’s probably a much larger % of their employees than they imagine.
hayzel777 wrote:Company received an anonymous letter identifying a flight attendant as a porn star acting under the name "sukisukigirl". The next day, she was pulled off the line and called in for a 3-hour disciplinary hearing.
hayzel777 wrote:- They grilled her and made her watch multiple videos/view multiple photos of "sukisukigirl" so that she could say it was not her.
She says their tone made it sound like they did not believe her.
- They then made her sign a legal affidavit saying that she was not the person in the video.
hayzel777 wrote:I was intrigued by this, and the suggestion Sukisukigirl was Dutch. So I did some research of my own (Yes, I know, it's a tough assignment, but someone's got to do it).- They asked her personal questions such as whether or not she had a foreign boyfriend and if her boyfriend ever had tattoos because the fellow "actor" had tattoos.
eamondzhang wrote:planemanofnz wrote:Also - BR seems to have an open policy of not hiring male flight attendants - you must be a female to do that job. This is against most Asian carriers, including core rival CI. Even MI have now opened the doors to men. BR's attitude seems archaic, IMO.
Cheers,
C.
Try JL/KE/NH/OZ for your argument.
Michael
enilria wrote:Judging from the volume on the internet it appears to me that almost every person has something embarrassing on the internet with the % increasing as they spent more of their lives in the current digital age. So, the other issue is that it’s probably a much larger % of their employees than they imagine.
FatCat wrote:on the side of this case, what's wrong of having a part time job in the porn industry?
as long as you pay the taxes.
if a male flight attendant was involved, we probably will be here clapping our hands and saying "lucky him" to each other.
many persons live thanks to the porn industry. having a side job, if it does not interfer with your full time job, and again, if you pay the taxes, cannot be discussed by anyone. if that job is in the porn industry, maybe your priest or your mother can say something about the moral, but then the body's yours and you can decide what to do with it.
or am I wrong?
spacecadet wrote:She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.
Andrw wrote:I think that would be good case for a solicitor, in Europe at least, if she'd like to make some easy money. Yes, if she's a port star the company may be concerned about their image and from their point of view they have every right to be. The fact however, that they made her watch porn movies/search for her nude photos on "official" meeting is a clear harassment. As is declining doctor's sick note.
F27500 wrote:She's filing all these claims of harassment and PTSD and horror and drama and abuse … but yet is covering her face in her interview? Why? Cuz she knows she'd be recognized by all her fans … ruining her case.
Sounds more like America here than Taiwan.
c933103 wrote:https://tw.mobi.yahoo.com/news/快訊-空姐遭誣拍不雅片-長榮航空-無不當約談-135254642.html
Eva Air claimed that their action were based on the principle of protection and care and to avoid further spreading of rumor and there were no inappropriate hearing.
Jouhou wrote:c933103 wrote:https://tw.mobi.yahoo.com/news/快訊-空姐遭誣拍不雅片-長榮航空-無不當約談-135254642.html
Eva Air claimed that their action were based on the principle of protection and care and to avoid further spreading of rumor and there were no inappropriate hearing.
As I just looked up, Taiwanese law looks a lot like US law on this issue. I can tell you my employer similarly acted on a "rumor" under a similar premise that it was for my "protection". Thing is, I realized they were breaking laws and reported it to a higher tier of management immediately and gave them a chance to clean up that pile of legal liability the middle level management created.
This is likely the actions of complete idiot middle managers.
VV wrote:Yes, they probably do. It is a surprisingly common phenomenon. The execs and ordinary staff at your favorite airline probably do it too.Wait! Eva Air staff watch porn?
VV wrote:No, they were responding (albeit in a most unprofessional manner) to an anonymous letter.They must watch it and they must be working around the lady mentioned to make an observation that she has some ressemblance between the lady and the pornstar.
No, that's just you.That's creepy.
Chasensfo wrote:Flight attendants are there to save you, not to serve you. If any flight attendant needs leave for mental distress, the company should take that seriously. Especially if aggressive false accusations from the company lead to the distress!spacecadet wrote:She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.
You don't see how dragging a poor young girl into a room in such a manner when she is innocent the whole time and the resulting implications from her peers with rumors spreading like wildfire could lead to PTSD? I think you need to do a Google search for types of PTSD, friend.
F27500 wrote:She's filing all these claims of harassment and PTSD and horror and drama and abuse … but yet is covering her face in her interview? Why? Cuz she knows she'd be recognized by all her fans … ruining her case.
Sounds more like America here than Taiwan.
Jouhou wrote:F27500 wrote:She's filing all these claims of harassment and PTSD and horror and drama and abuse … but yet is covering her face in her interview? Why? Cuz she knows she'd be recognized by all her fans … ruining her case.
Sounds more like America here than Taiwan.
Wtf. Seriously, that's what you would expect from someone who does need more unwarranted humiliation. Especially in an East Asian country where the culture doesn't really condone anything that may come off as individualistic attention seeking.
Everything described is f*cking awful especially considering it wasn't even her. It'd also be a violation of civil law in the US to handle the situation like they did, even if it was her. No idea about Taiwanese law.
Edit: Yes, Taiwan appears to have laws at least as robust as ours. The airline probably can and will be sued.
F27500 wrote:Of course it was her.
SheikhDjibouti wrote:F27500 wrote:Of course it was her.
And you know this how?
Nah, don't bother; I have just realised I broke the first rule of internet.
Don't feed the trolls.
spacecadet wrote:She lost me at claiming PTSD over a disciplinary meeting. Justified or not.