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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:05 pm
by unrave
sibibom wrote:

Wouldn't GoAir or Air Asia India make better targets? I am not buying killing Jet for its Pilots, cos there are more efforts than rewards

6E is trying to kill 9W is a favourite myth on Anet believed by those who don't know or don't want to know about Jet's sorry state of affairs

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:22 pm
by unrave
Vistara - the Indian airline with the lowest aircraft utilisation rate, increases frequency on DEL-IXC to 2x daily wef 31MAR19

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:21 pm
by binayak
unrave wrote:
Vistara - the Indian airline with the lowest aircraft utilisation rate, increases frequency on DEL-IXC to 2x daily wef 31MAR19


Is Y+ a reason for that?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:42 pm
by EmoticonsAllDay
anshabhi wrote:

????

Do you know that AI gets 15% of its entire revenue from US routes? Can a scrapped B777 really pay off its own debt and finance a new B78J?



I guess you haven't seen my "except the trunk routes". And who even talked about scrapping the 777? No 777 would help this debt laden airline with its poor management. Dry leasing would be the best choice if they ever wanted to make profit out of their 777s. With the 787s, they have a much better chance of turning around with its lower CASM.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:25 am
by unrave
binayak wrote:
unrave wrote:
Vistara - the Indian airline with the lowest aircraft utilisation rate, increases frequency on DEL-IXC to 2x daily wef 31MAR19


Is Y+ a reason for that?

No, their planes tend to fly fewer sectors each day

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:12 am
by anshabhi
Did you know this .. ?? !!

Air India has started direct non stop flight from Delhi to Najaf (Iraq) !!

AI 901 will operate on Monday and Thursday every week. Its a same aircraft flight from LKO, with AI 414 on LKO-DEL sector. Though I believe pax would have to get down at DEL for emigration checks

https://twitter.com/27saurabhsinha/stat ... 9351305218

EmoticonsAllDay wrote:

I guess you haven't seen my "except the trunk routes". And who even talked about scrapping the 777? No 777 would help this debt laden airline with its poor management. Dry leasing would be the best choice if they ever wanted to make profit out of their 777s. With the 787s, they have a much better chance of turning around with its lower CASM.

The average age of AI B777s is 8 years. I don't think they will get a good rate in any way for them in SLB market, specially given that the market is already flooded with used B77W from many airlines around the globe. Do they operate the B777s on any non-trunk route?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:06 am
by unrave
IndiGo says it is in the final stage of negotiations with the airports at Tbilisi and Baku, the capitals of Georgia and Azerbaijan respectively for being that one-stop en route to London. Flights to commence in the middle of next summer schedule

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 021423.cms

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:36 am
by unrave
Former Spirit Airlines CEO Ben Baldanza is expected to be the next CEO of GoAir.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:48 am
by EmoticonsAllDay
anshabhi wrote:
Do they operate the B777s on any non-trunk route?


Few domestic routes come to mind like DEL-HYD, DEL-MAA, BOM-HYD with sporadic 777 operations. Not sure whether they could fill up a 777 for such routes. Sometimes their 777s can also be seen substituting for their narrow bodies like A321s.

Did AI retire their 747s or still wasting the tax payers money?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:21 pm
by avier
EmoticonsAllDay wrote:

Did AI retire their 747s or still wasting the tax payers money?


I still see those flying in and out of BOM, to HYD and some other places I think.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:12 pm
by binayak
avier wrote:
EmoticonsAllDay wrote:

Did AI retire their 747s or still wasting the tax payers money?


I still see those flying in and out of BOM, to HYD and some other places I think.


They fly BOM HYD JED and BOM DEL DXB if I ain't wrong.
Personally I'd hate to see all the AI 747s going away! In fact most of '90s /'80s kids would.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:06 pm
by dtw2hyd
Can someone decipher what this news article trying to communicate?

IndiGo spent Rs 835 crore on staff expenses in the December quarter, up 36% from the year earlier. Its total costs, excluding fuel, in the period rose 39% to Rs 4,628 crore. In the last three fiscal years, salary expenses have risen 50% (FY16),14% (FY17) and 20% (FY18).


The hiring will increase IndiGo’s staff costs at a time when it is trying, with limited success, to curtail non-fuel expenses. With a basic salary of $13,000 on average, expat pilots in India command salary premiums of up to 35%over their Indian peers.


If they hire 100 expats this quarterstaff cost will jump even further.

Also for an airline "supposed" to outsource everything, 17000 (per Ghosh) is too many, even with 208 planes.

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/67985287.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 985287.cms

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:33 pm
by unrave
The highlighted text talks about percentage increase in employee costs in the quarter ending December 2018 over December 2017. Assuming IndiGo spent Rs. 100 on staff costs in Dec 2017. the airline would have spent Rs. 136 in Dec 2018.

The second highlighted text talks about wage premium that expat pilots command over Indian pilots. If IndiGo has to pay Rs. 100 to its Indian pilots, it has to pay Rs. 136 to its expat pilots.

Happy to help.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:50 pm
by dtw2hyd
6E similarities to EK are eerie.

EK Group has 100,000 employees still has crew issues.
6E has 17000 employees still has crew issues.

I think when pilots reject to join these airlines panic and hire more ground staff???

UK, I5 and AIX have <1000 employees each.
AI and 9W operate WB, long haul totally different crew requirement.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:03 pm
by unrave
Largest Indian airline has the largest number of employees. More shocking news at 9 PM.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:48 pm
by trinidadeG
binayak wrote:
avier wrote:
EmoticonsAllDay wrote:

Did AI retire their 747s or still wasting the tax payers money?


I still see those flying in and out of BOM, to HYD and some other places I think.


They fly BOM HYD JED and BOM DEL DXB if I ain't wrong.

A pair of 744s are used to fly BOM-HYD-JED-COK and back. The other pair is on VIP duty. Once the retro-fitted B777s take over VIP duties, AI will have no reason to keep the 744s operational. HYD/COK-JED flights may go to the A320NEOs.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:48 pm
by avier
When did 9W launch Guwahati- Dehradun ? I can't remember seeing any launch article on that. Or is that a temporary route operated?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:21 pm
by anshabhi
avier wrote:
When did 9W launch Guwahati- Dehradun ? I can't remember seeing any launch article on that. Or is that a temporary route operated?

Never knew about it!! Its 9W 675, 3 hour long and fares for even 18th Feb are only Rs 3.5k. A pretty stupid route from their side considering they recently closed DEL-IXE, which is of similar duration and average fares were always close to Rs 8k

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:28 pm
by dtw2hyd
trinidadeG wrote:
binayak wrote:
avier wrote:

I still see those flying in and out of BOM, to HYD and some other places I think.


They fly BOM HYD JED and BOM DEL DXB if I ain't wrong.

A pair of 744s are used to fly BOM-HYD-JED-COK and back. The other pair is on VIP duty. Once the retro-fitted B777s take over VIP duties, AI will have no reason to keep the 744s operational. HYD/COK-JED flights may go to the A320NEOs.


Only two are active, two are always in storage. When 744s are on special missions 777 seems to operate those routes.

It will be more than a year for new VVIP 77Ws to come online. The US approved India's technology transfer request only last week.

Two VVIP 77Ws cost AI 4300 Cr, and some small savings fund owned by GoI gave a meagre 1000 Cr "loan", rest from Abu Dhabi banks.

AI estimates it will get $13 Million for all four 744s.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:23 pm
by CPS001
anshabhi wrote:
avier wrote:
When did 9W launch Guwahati- Dehradun ? I can't remember seeing any launch article on that. Or is that a temporary route operated?

Never knew about it!! Its 9W 675, 3 hour long and fares for even 18th Feb are only Rs 3.5k. A pretty stupid route from their side considering they recently closed DEL-IXE, which is of similar duration and average fares were always close to Rs 8k


GAU-DED and MAA-IXZ were (re)launched recently, possibly to satisfy RDG requirements since 9W closed several northeast stations.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:29 pm
by edealinfo
dtw2hyd wrote:
trinidadeG wrote:
binayak wrote:

They fly BOM HYD JED and BOM DEL DXB if I ain't wrong.

A pair of 744s are used to fly BOM-HYD-JED-COK and back. The other pair is on VIP duty. Once the retro-fitted B777s take over VIP duties, AI will have no reason to keep the 744s operational. HYD/COK-JED flights may go to the A320NEOs.


Only two are active, two are always in storage. When 744s are on special missions 777 seems to operate those routes.

It will be more than a year for new VVIP 77Ws to come online. The US approved India's technology transfer request only last week.

Two VVIP 77Ws cost AI 4300 Cr, and some small savings fund owned by GoI gave a meagre 1000 Cr "loan", rest from Abu Dhabi banks.

AI estimates it will get $13 Million for all four 744s.


I can't get why the Indian PM needs his own plane...and that too, two 777s! Instead, he should have taken exclusive use of the old 744. Would have worked out just fine for him, the reporters who like to get a free trip when the PM travels abroad, and the Indian taxpayer.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:04 pm
by VTORD
My understanding is that with Modi, the days of the press hitching a ride on the PM's plane are over. The reasoning behind the 77W is ostensibly to be able to fly non-stop. I think they take a re-fueling break in Europe for the yearly UNGA trip and SIN for any OZ trips. No idea if a 77W would actually make it to South America though. The 744s are getting on in age. I think these are 1997 time frames so they are past 20 years. Why a 77W though is still a question. He gets around but only really makes any NA / Oz trips max once or twice a year. Couldn't a A321neo ACJ / VIP config work for his most of the PM/Presidential missions?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:02 am
by edealinfo
VTORD wrote:
Couldn't a A321neo ACJ / VIP config work for his most of the PM/Presidential missions?


It is all about "keeping up appearances". India wants to project "power" and thinks that the PM flying in his own Air Force One would project that power. Hopefully, it isn't "mine is bigger than yours" or else they would have asked for an Airbus A380.

You may recall that when Kim Jong Eun went to see The Donald, he took an Air China Boeing 747 as size seemed to have mattered.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:44 am
by EmoticonsAllDay
edealinfo wrote:
VTORD wrote:
Couldn't a A321neo ACJ / VIP config work for his most of the PM/Presidential missions?


It is all about "keeping up appearances". India wants to project "power" and thinks that the PM flying in his own Air Force One would project that power. Hopefully, it isn't "mine is bigger than yours" or else they would have asked for an Airbus A380.

You may recall that when Kim Jong Eun went to see The Donald, he took an Air China Boeing 747 as size seemed to have mattered.


Couldn't agree more. There is literally nothing noteworthy done in his 5yr tenure so might as well show off his "power" with an aircraft. How immature.

I know we are stepping into politics which is forbidden in this thread but there are these stupid actions of our PM which keeps me riled up.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:54 am
by unrave
It is the PM and the President who use these 744. Ideally the ownership should be transferred to GoI/MoD and the Air Force should take over the responsibility of ferrying them around.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:15 am
by JOYA380B747
Off Topic: Is it too early OR pointless to jump the gun (more like jump the artillery) and think of the dreaded possibility of reciprocal airspace restrictions between India and its neighbour given the current scenario. Who'd lose more in such a "situation"?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:33 am
by lutfi
anshabhi wrote:
Did you know this .. ?? !!

Air India has started direct non stop flight from Delhi to Najaf (Iraq) !!

?


It is a major Shia pilgrimage site - and there are 30-40m Shia in India

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:34 am
by trinidadeG
anshabhi wrote:
avier wrote:
When did 9W launch Guwahati- Dehradun ? I can't remember seeing any launch article on that. Or is that a temporary route operated?

Never knew about it!! Its 9W 675, 3 hour long and fares for even 18th Feb are only Rs 3.5k. A pretty stupid route from their side considering they recently closed DEL-IXE, which is of similar duration and average fares were always close to Rs 8k


All domestic routes in India aren't created equal.

The MoCA's Route Dispersal Guidelines (RDG) splits them into CAT I, CAT II and CAT IIA. The RDG mandates 10% and 1 % of ASKMs of Category I routes to be deployed on Category II and IIA routes respectively by every private airline.

The 2016 National Civil Aviation Policy modified the RDG to include all airports in Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh as part of Category II. This not only makes all flights to Dehradun qualify as an RDG Category II Routes, but also means that GAU-DED is now effectively a CAT IIA route!

Meaning that, instead of STUPIDLY burning fuel flying Boeings/ATRs on multiple super-short, poor yielding intra-Northeast routes in a bid to rack up CAT IIA ASKMs, it makes sense for 9W to rack up the same number of ASKMs by flying a single, long route like GAU-DED!

9W should have pulled out of several North East stations long ago, but they were kept running purely to fulfil the CAT II A requirements.

The route is certainly not stupid. The government's method of ensuring "connectivity" in the NE at the expense of airlines is stupid. They should junk the RDG system and focus on their RCS viability gap funding system instead which is a much better method to ensure air service to distant communities.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:51 am
by MIAFLLPBIFlyer
unrave wrote:
Former Spirit Airlines CEO Ben Baldanza is expected to be the next CEO of GoAir.



WOW...big time hire if it happens. Transformed NK into a huge presence here in the Miami area with a ULCC hub at FLL connecting a lot of Latin America to the US. Really changed the game in the US, IMO in addition to turning NK from a niche carrier on boutique routes from FLL/DTW into a really viable carrier with a clear identity and plan.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:12 am
by anshabhi
JOYA380B747 wrote:
Off Topic: Is it too early OR pointless to jump the gun (more like jump the artillery) and think of the dreaded possibility of reciprocal airspace restrictions between India and its neighbour given the current scenario. Who'd lose more in such a "situation"?

Not happening. While Pakistan will lose access to entire Asia in such a scenario, Indian aircraft originating from Delhi and North India will have to take 2 hours extra detour to Mumbai and the Arabian Sea. Clearly India would lose more, but that's not happening. In the worst case scenario, if Pakistan withdraws overflight rights (which already state that no indian aircraft can be below FL 300 over pakistan), then withdrawing Indus water treaty would be the last option.

trinidadeG wrote:
All domestic routes in India aren't created equal.

The MoCA's Route Dispersal Guidelines (RDG) splits them into CAT I, CAT II and CAT IIA. The RDG mandates 10% and 1 % of ASKMs of Category I routes to be deployed on Category II and IIA routes respectively by every private airline.

The 2016 National Civil Aviation Policy modified the RDG to include all airports in Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh as part of Category II. This not only makes all flights to Dehradun qualify as an RDG Category II Routes, but also means that GAU-DED is now effectively a CAT IIA route!

Meaning that, instead of STUPIDLY burning fuel flying Boeings/ATRs on multiple super-short, poor yielding intra-Northeast routes in a bid to rack up CAT IIA ASKMs, it makes sense for 9W to rack up the same number of ASKMs by flying a single, long route like GAU-DED!

9W should have pulled out of several North East stations long ago, but they were kept running purely to fulfil the CAT II A requirements.

The route is certainly not stupid. The government's method of ensuring "connectivity" in the NE at the expense of airlines is stupid. They should junk the RDG system and focus on their RCS viability gap funding system instead which is a much better method to ensure air service to distant communities.


Thanks for the explanation!!

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
unrave wrote:
Former Spirit Airlines CEO Ben Baldanza is expected to be the next CEO of GoAir.



WOW...big time hire if it happens. Transformed NK into a huge presence here in the Miami area with a ULCC hub at FLL connecting a lot of Latin America to the US. Really changed the game in the US, IMO in addition to turning NK from a niche carrier on boutique routes from FLL/DTW into a really viable carrier with a clear identity and plan.


I think he will leave Go Air soon too and join one of Vistara or IndiGo. The problem with GoAir is its promoters, who can't get along with any CEO

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:31 am
by avier
trinidadeG wrote:

All domestic routes in India aren't created equal.

The MoCA's Route Dispersal Guidelines (RDG) splits them into CAT I, CAT II and CAT IIA. The RDG mandates 10% and 1 % of ASKMs of Category I routes to be deployed on Category II and IIA routes respectively by every private airline.

The 2016 National Civil Aviation Policy modified the RDG to include all airports in Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh as part of Category II. This not only makes all flights to Dehradun qualify as an RDG Category II Routes, but also means that GAU-DED is now effectively a CAT IIA route!

Meaning that, instead of STUPIDLY burning fuel flying Boeings/ATRs on multiple super-short, poor yielding intra-Northeast routes in a bid to rack up CAT IIA ASKMs, it makes sense for 9W to rack up the same number of ASKMs by flying a single, long route like GAU-DED!

9W should have pulled out of several North East stations long ago, but they were kept running purely to fulfil the CAT II A requirements.

The route is certainly not stupid. The government's method of ensuring "connectivity" in the NE at the expense of airlines is stupid. They should junk the RDG system and focus on their RCS viability gap funding system instead which is a much better method to ensure air service to distant communities.


Indeed a very smart route selection then by 9W. And I completely agree they need to do away with RDG when RCS has come into the picture. RDG offers no real incentives to the airlines and just burns a hole in the airlines pockets. AI being subsidized can fullfill that obligation and shouldn't force pvt. cos. on that.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:16 am
by sand26391
1) 29 new CODE C aircraft parking stands to become operational at BLR by 29/03/19.
2) Air Traffic Movement per hour will also increase from current 40 to 44 by Winter sked 2019.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:11 am
by unrave
sand26391 wrote:
1) 29 new CODE C aircraft parking stands to become operational at BLR by 29/03/19.
2) Air Traffic Movement per hour will also increase from current 40 to 44 by Winter sked 2019.

Good to see BLR being proactive in adding apron space. And thanks for your timely updates on BLR developments. Definitely makes for more interesting reading than pontificating about IndiGo's imminent death

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:40 pm
by pune
dtw2hyd wrote:
Can someone decipher what this news article trying to communicate?

IndiGo spent Rs 835 crore on staff expenses in the December quarter, up 36% from the year earlier. Its total costs, excluding fuel, in the period rose 39% to Rs 4,628 crore. In the last three fiscal years, salary expenses have risen 50% (FY16),14% (FY17) and 20% (FY18).


The hiring will increase IndiGo’s staff costs at a time when it is trying, with limited success, to curtail non-fuel expenses. With a basic salary of $13,000 on average, expat pilots in India command salary premiums of up to 35%over their Indian peers.


If they hire 100 expats this quarterstaff cost will jump even further.

Also for an airline "supposed" to outsource everything, 17000 (per Ghosh) is too many, even with 208 planes.

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/67985287.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 985287.cms


wish I could just have upvoted or given a thumbs up instead of commenting but do stand by your reading.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:54 pm
by pune
edealinfo wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
trinidadeG wrote:
A pair of 744s are used to fly BOM-HYD-JED-COK and back. The other pair is on VIP duty. Once the retro-fitted B777s take over VIP duties, AI will have no reason to keep the 744s operational. HYD/COK-JED flights may go to the A320NEOs.


Only two are active, two are always in storage. When 744s are on special missions 777 seems to operate those routes.

It will be more than a year for new VVIP 77Ws to come online. The US approved India's technology transfer request only last week.

Two VVIP 77Ws cost AI 4300 Cr, and some small savings fund owned by GoI gave a meagre 1000 Cr "loan", rest from Abu Dhabi banks.

AI estimates it will get $13 Million for all four 744s.


I can't get why the Indian PM needs his own plane...and that too, two 777s! Instead, he should have taken exclusive use of the old 744. Would have worked out just fine for him, the reporters who like to get a free trip when the PM travels abroad, and the Indian taxpayer.


From what I have read, the current PM doesn't believe in the press so there have been no reporters to report what has been happening. So we don't know how many more Rafale type deals in the closet which will come out. Whatever we may think of the press, it does check people in power if only a little bit. Thqat doesn't mean leaks don't happen. Private companies, Governments etc. may leak stories to the press at any point in time. This is going beyond topic but as reported in media, no reporter flies with the Indian Prime Minister. Would be glad to be proved wrong.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:09 pm
by dtw2hyd
One can read the complete drama on Mil AV thread how AI ended up getting the shaft finally.

GoI is smart. If IAF has to procure, it has to allocate $580 Million(real money) in the defense budget.
Also, IAF maintaining dedicated crew will cost a fortune every year.
Now the $580 Million DEBT on AI books, GoI doesn't even pay invoices on time.
But every time GoI pays its overdue invoices BIG NEWS. GoI gave 1000 crores to AI. OMG.

Now they can enjoy the planes without paying invoices. AI will be happy if the entire country doesn't blame them for the debt. Win-Win.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:25 pm
by unrave
For a country that spends Rs 3 lakh crore on defence each year, spending 1000 crore on VIP transport must be a real challenge indeed.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:41 pm
by dtw2hyd
3 BBJs ($1 Billion)
12 Mi-17 V5 ($1 Billion)
3 NIB AW101s ($750 Million)
5 E-Jets ($500 Million)
4 x 744s ($1)
2 x 77Ws ($580 Million)

$3.83 Billion worth of VVIP aircraft for a country which allocated 100 Crores for sanitation projects for the entire country. Feds cannot take credit for state spending on sanitation projects.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:43 pm
by vadodara
unrave wrote:
Former Spirit Airlines CEO Ben Baldanza is expected to be the next CEO of GoAir.


Interesting development. Obviously, Baldanza's methods at Spirit are well know. Some revile him, others may argue that he is provided air-services to many first time flyers. Either way, hope Wadia's and Baldanza are clear on what will become of GoAir under his watch.

I think it could add some more market segment in the LCC space. Which might be a good thing.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:51 pm
by anshabhi
dtw2hyd wrote:
3 BBJs ($1 Billion)
12 Mi-17 V5 ($1 Billion)
3 NIB AW101s ($750 Million)
5 E-Jets ($500 Million)
4 x 744s ($1)
2 x 77Ws ($580 Million)

$3.83 Billion worth of VVIP aircraft for a country which allocated 100 Crores for sanitation projects for the entire country. Feds cannot take credit for state spending on sanitation projects.


???? Any source for your random numbers?

Swachh Bharat Mission (SBM) has a budget of Rs 17, 843 crore, nearly $2.5 billion. This is apart from the large CSR contributions made by corporations for improving sanitation.
https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/wat ... down-59596

And I don't even know if there is any authenticity in your VVIP aircraft numbers. I think you're assuming India buys that many new aircraft every year

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:34 pm
by Bhadra
dtw2hyd wrote:
$3.83 Billion worth of VVIP aircraft for a country which allocated 100 Crores for sanitation projects for the entire country. Feds cannot take credit for state spending on sanitation projects.

I don't think this calls for a response, not because it's off topic, because where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.

On a (slightly) more positive note, Bengaluru now has a draft plan and a deadline for Metro connectivity to KIA. If things go well, come 2024, the airport will have 2 runways, 2 terminals, a metro line to the city and 60 million passengers! Yayy!!

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/ba ... 284751.ece

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:38 pm
by unrave
dtw2hyd wrote:
3 BBJs ($1 Billion)
12 Mi-17 V5 ($1 Billion)
3 NIB AW101s ($750 Million)
5 E-Jets ($500 Million)
4 x 744s ($1)
2 x 77Ws ($580 Million)

$3.83 Billion worth of VVIP aircraft for a country which allocated 100 Crores for sanitation projects for the entire country. Feds cannot take credit for state spending on sanitation projects.

There's nobody called Feds in INDIA

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:55 pm
by dtw2hyd
Livemint gave little more clarity on Indigo crew issue.
Several senior expat pilots of IndiGo (InterGlobe Aviation Ltd) have left the carrier in the last few months, prompting India’s largest domestic carrier to hire new ones amid a spate of flight cancellations.

Not sure if their contract was up or they just quit. Brings up a new question, Does the one-year notice period applicable to expats???
IndiGo currently has 40 senior expat pilots in a flying crew that consists of 1,260 captains, a senior official of the airline said.

https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 65749.html

1-2% cancellation rate claim to be understated, unconfirmed reports 130 on 2/15, 60 yesterday of 1300. There is no way to confirm because the website shows fictitious flights.

6E should lease a lot more land at Bangalore, to park planes. Bangalore is no stranger for parked planes, a lot of BLR HQed airlines like King Fisher, Deccan, Deccan 360 and Pegasus went belly up.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:41 pm
by lightsaber
dtw2hyd wrote:
Livemint gave little more clarity on Indigo crew issue.
Several senior expat pilots of IndiGo (InterGlobe Aviation Ltd) have left the carrier in the last few months, prompting India’s largest domestic carrier to hire new ones amid a spate of flight cancellations.

Not sure if their contract was up or they just quit. Brings up a new question, Does the one-year notice period applicable to expats???
IndiGo currently has 40 senior expat pilots in a flying crew that consists of 1,260 captains, a senior official of the airline said.

https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 65749.html

1-2% cancellation rate claim to be understated, unconfirmed reports 130 on 2/15, 60 yesterday of 1300. There is no way to confirm because the website shows fictitious flights.

6E should lease a lot more land at Bangalore, to park planes. Bangalore is no stranger for parked planes, a lot of BLR HQed airlines like King Fisher, Deccan, Deccan 360 and Pegasus went belly up.

Another article, slightly different numbers, but same idea:
https://m.economictimes.com/industry/tr ... 985287.cms

I have trouble imagining so many planes grounded on such a small pilot shortage. That does show the NEO issues masked a fundamental issue.

Expat pilots going from about 2% of pilots to 4% to 5% will reduce margins 1/4% or so. Not ideal, but within Indigo's ability to absorb. They should have hired 50+ before the current debacle.

Lightsaber

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:24 pm
by unrave
lightsaber wrote:
Expat pilots going from about 2% of pilots to 4% to 5% will reduce margins 1/4% or so. Not ideal, but within Indigo's ability to absorb. They should have hired 50+ before the current debacle.

That's the price the airline has to pay for growth. They have been promoting first officers to captains at the rate of 260 a year, so this issue could be managed if they were to slowdown their expansion for a year. But knowing IndiGo that won't happen, so they just have to absorb the costs.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:02 pm
by edealinfo
unrave wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
There's nobody called Feds in INDIA


You're right -- they are called CENTRAL "GOURMENT"

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:09 am
by unrave
edealinfo wrote:
unrave wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
There's nobody called Feds in INDIA


You're right -- they are called CENTRAL "GOURMENT"

Exactly. Why use Amreekan terminology in Indian aviation thread.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:17 am
by unrave
anshabhi wrote:

???? Any source for your random numbers?


Imagination doesn't need any source

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:33 am
by EmoticonsAllDay
What happened to the Indigo's Cadet Pilot Program? Isn't the program supposed to supply pilots for their ever growing fleet?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:36 am
by unrave
EmoticonsAllDay wrote:
What happened to the Indigo's Cadet Pilot Program? Isn't the program supposed to supply pilots for their ever growing fleet?

Their cadet programs supply them with sufficient number of first officers. Their shortage is with captains