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PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:00 am

A Philippine Airlines A330-300 departed MNL and is currently enroute for LAX as PR6112. Is this the longest nonscheduled A330-300 flight?
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:22 pm

KGarc21 wrote:
A Philippine Airlines A330-300 departed MNL and is currently enroute for LAX as PR6112. Is this the longest nonscheduled A330-300 flight?

Distance wise probably yes, A332’s have ridiculous ferry range. This thing must’ve been light as it went straight to FL390. FR24 is showing a little under 12 hours flight time.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:27 pm

DylanHarvey wrote:
KGarc21 wrote:
A Philippine Airlines A330-300 departed MNL and is currently enroute for LAX as PR6112. Is this the longest nonscheduled A330-300 flight?

Distance wise probably yes, but the -300 definitely has 12 hour legs with, this one is probably a 238t version so with the jetstream this is reasonable.
And this thing must’ve been light as it went straight to FL390. FR24 is showing a little under 12 hours flight time.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:56 pm

DylanHarvey wrote:
KGarc21 wrote:
A Philippine Airlines A330-300 departed MNL and is currently enroute for LAX as PR6112. Is this the longest nonscheduled A330-300 flight?

Distance wise probably yes, A332’s have ridiculous ferry range. This thing must’ve been light as it went straight to FL390. FR24 is showing a little under 12 hours flight time.


That’s pretty awesome! What was the cause of the 300 on the route?

I know QF took delivery of a 200 TLS-SYD! Pretty impressive ferry.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:40 pm

smi0006 wrote:

That’s pretty awesome! What was the cause of the 300 on the route?

I know QF took delivery of a 200 TLS-SYD! Pretty impressive ferry.


Looks like PR 113 (LAX MNL) yesterday was cancelled. There’s an extra section today - PR 5113. Based on current scheduled flight times, looks like a technical stop is anticipated.

Not sure what happened to the 773 that was supposed to operate yesterday.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:46 pm

Pit stop in HNL on way back like the old A340 days.
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:57 pm

HA did a nonstop ferry from HNL-FCO not long ago for paint. 8,000+ miles.
Not many nonstops from Europe to Hawaii
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:06 pm

PR's A333s are likely 235t variants, at least the 309 seat ones (previously 414-seaters). They can't do TPAC nonstop; however, this could have been a rescue flight.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:40 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Pit stop in HNL on way back like the old A340 days.


Or GUM
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:04 pm

airlineaddict wrote:
Or GUM

LAX-GUM may be more challenging westbound than HNL-MNL for PR's A330 loaded with the 77W's remaining pax and baggage, due to the 584nm longer GC distance.....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=LAX-GUM%2C ... =wls&DU=nm
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:18 pm

BTW, are PR's new A359s no longer doing the second frequency to LAX... I thought that would last through February :?: .....



PR's 5th and 6th "Love Bus" can't come soon enough..... :goodvibes: .....

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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:32 pm

We haven't seen a PR 359 at LAX since December sometime at least.

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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:41 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
PR's A333s are likely 235t variants, at least the 309 seat ones (previously 414-seaters). They can't do TPAC nonstop; however, this could have been a rescue flight.

Even then a 235t can be ferried 11.5hrs, GS was about ~550kts the whole time. Definitely a tech stop like the 343 days on the way back lol.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:42 pm

FlyBitcoin wrote:
HA did a nonstop ferry from HNL-FCO not long ago for paint. 8,000+ miles.
Not many nonstops from Europe to Hawaii

That was a 332, they are basically flying fuel tanks, you can ferry a 233t one ATL-SIN like DL did for MX.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:43 pm

The777Man wrote:
We haven't seen a PR 359 at LAX since December sometime at least.

The777Man

Yea I saw the 359 when I was in LA in December, do you know how many more PR are getting?
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:51 pm

The777Man wrote:
We haven't seen a PR 359 at LAX since December sometime at least.

Probably too busy now with JFK, LHR and YYZ. :hyper:


DylanHarvey wrote:
Even then a 235t can be ferried 11.5hrs, GS was about ~550kts the whole time.

I believe PR's A333s are the 240T version.... :weightlifter: .....

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... a330s.html

Quote:
"For its latest order the airline has selected the 240 tonne high gross weight version of the A330, offering extra range capability."


DylanHarvey wrote:
That was a 332, they are basically flying fuel tanks

That's why I'm wondering about the A338 as a cheaper option for PR's secondary long-haul routes.


DylanHarvey wrote:
Yea I saw the 359 when I was in LA in December, do you know how many more PR are getting?

The 5th is due this month...the 6th (last of the batch) sometime in May this year...unless PR exercises its option for six more.
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:59 pm

UL’s A333s do CMB LHR which is a long old stretch
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:33 am

Neither FlightAware nor FlightRadar24 show this flight. Any other sources?

Not a lot on the way between Los Angeles and Manila:

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Not seeing any signs of
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:27 am

This plane RP-C8766 is a 300 variant. It flew non-rev MNL-LAX with just spare parts for the T7 that was hit by lightning the other day. It flew as PR6112 with the 6 designator as a Utility flight. It already left LAX as PR5113 (5 designator as a delayed revenue flight) and will have a Tech Stop in HNL on its way back to MNL.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:06 am

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
Neither FlightAware nor FlightRadar24 show this flight. Any other sources?

Not a lot on the way between Los Angeles and Manila:

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Not seeing any signs of


It’s on FlightAware if you look at routes MNL-LAX on 2/2. According to FlightAware, PR 6113 departed MNL at 2:09 PM PM and arrived at 10:35 AM.

The return flight is also on FlightAware PR 5113 from LAX to HNL.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:07 am

DylanHarvey wrote:
Even then a 235t can be ferried 11.5hrs, GS was about ~550kts the whole time.

I believe PR's A333s are the 240T version.... :weightlifter: .....

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... a330s.html




DylanHarvey wrote:
Yea I saw the 359 when I was in LA in December, do you know how many more PR are getting?

The 5th is due this month...the 6th (last of the batch) sometime in May this year...unless PR exercises its option for six more.[/quote]
Ok cool. Ah ok yeah a 240t can ferry 12 hours easily with nothing on board. I imagine the 77W's will stay on LAX then as the 359's are doing other things.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:15 am

Devilfish wrote:
The777Man wrote:
We haven't seen a PR 359 at LAX since December sometime at least.

Probably too busy now with JFK, LHR and YYZ. :hyper:

The A359 were recently deployed in SYD and MEL during Christmas until last January replacing A333. PR already began its A359 service to YYZ yesterday and it's going back to MNL tomorrow morning.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:09 am

Devilfish wrote:
I believe PR's A333s are the 240T version.

Sidebar: anyone know if it has the centre tank activated?

I know it's an option at 242T, but is it offered at a lower weight (I'm guessing would have to be over 238T)?
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:37 am

Shenzhen Airlines routinely flies SZX-LHR with A333 configured with 309 pax for 13+ hours west bound. A lot of the airlines fly A333 with full pax load for 10-11+ hours missions. The problem is LAX-MNL which is west bound 6300nm and over pacific so extra fuel reserve required. Even the 77W that flies at a faster Mach .84 takes 15 hours so A333 will always need a fuel stop.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:36 pm

DylanHarvey wrote:
I imagine the 77W's will stay on LAX then as the 359's are doing other things.

Probably. From the A350 P&D thread (#121), PR's 6th A359 (msn303) rolled out of the FAL about a week ago.


SkyHigher wrote:
PR already began its A359 service to YYZ yesterday and it's going back to MNL tomorrow morning.

I assume by this you mean the 'nonstop' flights? Thanks for the info. :thumbsup:


LAX772LR wrote:
Sidebar: anyone know if it has the centre tank activated?

I know it's an option at 242T, but is it offered at a lower weight (I'm guessing would have to be over 238T)?

I wouldn't know, sorry. Maybe a member from PR's tech dept has the info.
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:53 pm

sabby wrote:
Shenzhen Airlines routinely flies SZX-LHR with A333 configured with 309 pax for 13+ hours west bound. A lot of the airlines fly A333 with full pax load for 10-11+ hours missions. The problem is LAX-MNL which is west bound 6300nm and over pacific so extra fuel reserve required. Even the 77W that flies at a faster Mach .84 takes 15 hours so A333 will always need a fuel stop.

Yea those are the 242t versions. Don’t quote me on this, but I think only the 242t A330-300’s have the center tank activated. The A333 is an incredibly versatile aircraft. Oh yea I mean even the A343 needed a tech stop, the headwinds can be ferocious on the westbound.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:55 pm

Devilfish wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
I imagine the 77W's will stay on LAX then as the 359's are doing other things.

Probably. From the A350 P&D thread (#121), PR's 6th A359 (msn303) rolled out of the FAL about a week ago.


SkyHigher wrote:
PR already began its A359 service to YYZ yesterday and it's going back to MNL tomorrow morning.

I assume by this you mean the 'nonstop' flights? Thanks for the info. :thumbsup:


LAX772LR wrote:
Sidebar: anyone know if it has the centre tank activated?

I know it's an option at 242T, but is it offered at a lower weight (I'm guessing would have to be over 238T)?

I wouldn't know, sorry. Maybe a member from PR's tech dept has the info.

The center fuel tank was activated on the 240t version. I messed up in the previous post lol.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:27 pm

Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
PR already began its A359 service to YYZ yesterday and it's going back to MNL tomorrow morning.

I assume by this you mean the 'nonstop' flights? Thanks for the info. :thumbsup:


Yup, nonstop PR118/119 (MNL-YYZ-MNL) flight. Though for one time only since 77W are still used for this flight.
 
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Re: PAL A333 MNL-LAX

Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:47 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
PR already began its A359 service to YYZ yesterday and it's going back to MNL tomorrow morning.

I assume by this you mean the 'nonstop' flights? Thanks for the info. :thumbsup:


Yup, nonstop PR118/119 (MNL-YYZ-MNL) flight. Though for one time only since 77W are still used for this flight.


I believe it was this weekend. I think they were testing the route. Can't wait for Mar 31 when it becomes official. And from that day daily too if i recall correctly. All the best to PAL. Come on now PAL fly to Karachi you did that in the 80s on your way to Europe.
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