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A source close to British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:58 am

Good evening everyone! As we know, British Airways will retire their last 747-400 in 2024. However, it seems like there is some depth in the retirement plans that we don't know. In short summery, AirlineGeeks recently obtain info from a close source about the retirements. There are 13 aircraft that have not been retrofitted. Those will be the first to be phased out between this year and 2022. The 18 remaining aircraft that received the retrofit will stay in the fleet for a bit longer until 2024. There is a list they posted in their article of the non-retrofitted aircraft that will be retired in that time frame with 3 leaving this year, 5 in 2020, another 3 in 2021, and the final 2 in 2022. Here is a link to the article if you guys want more info about it. If the info was shared before, please lock or remove this thread.

(https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/01/26/ret ... ways-747s/)
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:14 am

In the article, referring to Lufthansa: "The airline, however, is expected to retire its newer 747-8is earlier than expected at some point in the 2020s."
What rubbish. I'd like to know the "source" they used for this claim.

As for BA, I'm happy to see the A35K enter their fleet and the older jets put to pasture.
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:18 am

Most of that makes sense, although I imagine it could end up being more fluid than set out in the article.

What does not make sense is to repaint G-CIVB and then take her our of service a few months later. Try explaining that to IAG shareholders.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:25 am

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What does not make sense is to repaint G-CIVB and then take her our of service a few months later. Try explaining that to IAG shareholders.

It makes sense if VB is leased and a respray is contractual in the event of lease return.
They did the something similar with B757 G-CPET, painted into heritage scheme only to be flown to VCV shortly thereafter for onward sale to FedEx.
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:39 am

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What does not make sense is to repaint G-CIVB and then take her our of service a few months later. Try explaining that to IAG shareholders.

Wouldn't be too hard to do, if the aircraft had mtx that (or even just previous scheduling) that would've required paint anyway.
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:58 am

The article says that they have 34 B747 and then splits them into a group of 13 and a group of 18.

What about the other 3.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:07 am

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The article says that they have 34 B747 and then splits them into a group of 13 and a group of 18.

What about the other 3.


Those 3 are BNL*’s with 2 just retired with 1 more to shortly be retired (i think).
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:53 am

Isn't the other retro jet G-BNLY ? :)
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:13 am

KICT wrote:
BHXLOVER wrote:
What does not make sense is to repaint G-CIVB and then take her our of service a few months later. Try explaining that to IAG shareholders.

It makes sense if VB is leased and a respray is contractual in the event of lease return.
They did the something similar with B757 G-CPET, painted into heritage scheme only to be flown to VCV shortly thereafter for onward sale to FedEx.


All 744's are owned outright-no outstanding finance of any sort.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:44 am

G-CIVB is about to be fully refurbished so doubt it’s retiring anytime soon. The article has out of date information.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:47 am

I think that Avgeeks info is already out of date. Initially 18 planes were refurbished and reseated to the super-hi-J configuration (with 86J seats). Since than refurbishment has started on more of the 744 fleet and 3 planes have already received new IFE, curtains, lighting, carpets and seat covers to the same standard as the original 18, but retaining the 52J seats. Another two planes are undergoing refurb at BA Maintenance at CWL right now. In addition 5 planes have had a simpler refurb, retaining the existing IFE, and these are expected to have a shorter life. 4 more planes are due to receive the higher spec refurbs after the two currently in CWL, and 1 more the simpler one. So that makes 26 planes refurbished in one form or another, 2 in maintenance, and 5 more in the queue. That leaves just one out of the 34 survivors without any refurb plans at all, and that's G-BNLN which is due to leave the fleet in July.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:08 pm

KICT wrote:
In the article, referring to Lufthansa: "The airline, however, is expected to retire its newer 747-8is earlier than expected at some point in the 2020s."
What rubbish. I'd like to know the "source" they used for this claim.

As for BA, I'm happy to see the A35K enter their fleet and the older jets put to pasture.


Not rubbish. This was reported by several sources. Here's one:

https://www.businesstraveller.com/news/ ... n-planned/

And the link within the link:

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... eplacement

It has also been discussed here on this forum:

viewtopic.php?t=557255

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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:04 pm

KICT wrote:
In the article, referring to Lufthansa: "The airline, however, is expected to retire its newer 747-8is earlier than expected at some point in the 2020s."
What rubbish. I'd like to know the "source" they used for this claim.

That is very old news and it's pretty accurate. By 2029 LH's 748i's will be somewhere between 15 and 18 years old. But this thread is about BA and their 744's.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:59 pm

pegasus1 wrote:
Not rubbish. This was reported by several sources. Here's one: ...

A-ha. Two brand new analyses from 2013 to bolster that claim.

While there, let us not rule out Lufthansa phasing out their heavy noisy guzzler B779 in the 2030s.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:04 pm

787X30 wrote:
pegasus1 wrote:
Not rubbish. This was reported by several sources. Here's one: ...

A-ha. Two brand new analyses from 2013 to bolster that claim.

While there, let us not rule out Lufthansa phasing out their heavy noisy guzzler B779 in the 2030s.


So, are you saying that the info, derived from a quote by non other than Lufthansa's CEO, has been superseded? If so, do go ahead and provide your source. I'm sure we all prefer to operate on the basis of accurate information. I'm very happy to stand corrected.

In the absence of any further update, this still stands.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:29 pm

pegasus1 wrote:
787X30 wrote:
pegasus1 wrote:
Not rubbish. This was reported by several sources. Here's one: ...

A-ha. Two brand new analyses from 2013 to bolster that claim.

While there, let us not rule out Lufthansa phasing out their heavy noisy guzzler B779 in the 2030s.


So, are you saying that the info, derived from a quote by non other than Lufthansa's CEO, has been superseded? If so, do go ahead and provide your source. I'm sure we all prefer to operate on the basis of accurate information. I'm very happy to stand corrected.

In the absence of any further update, this still stands.

There has only been 1 source, the Aviation Week article, that said that LH would retire their 747-8Is early. And reading the article it becomes clear that this quote from the CEO was never specifically about the 747-8I. That was Aviation Week interpretation of his actual quote on 4 engined planes when better 2 engined planes come available. It has never been confirmed or denied by either Lufthansa or any other serious publication based on other more recent sources. Since there is only 1 source it means that it is no source, even if the source is a respected publication like Aviation Week..

I don't think that Lufthansa has any set retirement dates for these 747s, and if they had in 2013 it would not mean that they would still have in 2019.

As for this Aviation Geek article, the writer is also editor of his high school newspaper, that says more than enough I would think.


Now back to BA
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:23 pm

While the assumption for some time has been that the 52J are all leaving first, 86J jumbos are actually also leaving the fleet, I believe the 4th or 5th to leave is an 86J, and there are 3 others that will be retired before all the 52J birds are retired. Thank god they are taking care of the ones staying on for a few more year, that IFE is a complete joke.
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:42 pm

ramzi wrote:
that IFE is a complete joke.

Why does everybody need IFE these days.
What’s wrong with a good book, or looking out the window.....
What did you do in the days before IFE...???
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:45 pm

pegasus1 wrote:
So, are you saying that the info, derived from a quote by non other than Lufthansa's CEO, has been superseded? [...]

As this thread is British Airways, I'll keep it short: Superseded the Lufthansa CEO of 2013 has been, while current management has laid out their fleet strategy numerous times. Currently (recent thread on this) they're analysing the (rest of) A340's replacement, with the B744 set to be taken care of by the B779 quite nicely.

Momo1435 wrote:
I don't think that Lufthansa has any set retirement dates for these 747s, and if they had in 2013 it would not mean that they would still have in 2019.

Quite so.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:54 pm

Narfish641 wrote:
Good evening everyone! As we know, British Airways will retire their last 747-400 in 2024. However, it seems like there is some depth in the retirement plans that we don't know. In short summery, AirlineGeeks recently obtain info from a close source about the retirements. There are 13 aircraft that have not been retrofitted. Those will be the first to be phased out between this year and 2022. The 18 remaining aircraft that received the retrofit will stay in the fleet for a bit longer until 2024. There is a list they posted in their article of the non-retrofitted aircraft that will be retired in that time frame with 3 leaving this year, 5 in 2020, another 3 in 2021, and the final 2 in 2022. Here is a link to the article if you guys want more info about it. If the info was shared before, please lock or remove this thread.

(https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/01/26/ret ... ways-747s/)

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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:35 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
I don't think that Lufthansa has any set retirement dates for these 747s, and if they had in 2013 it would not mean that they would still have in 2019.

There are 748i unique components which Boeing has taken in-house from external contractors, still with no current capability to manufacture. Even if rectified, at what cost?

At some point, LH will weigh up whether they should be the first to exit what is a niche model, exploiting buybacks (erode with time, hours and cycles, but must be an exit sweet spot/s) replacing with more modern aircraft, or last, exploiting soft used aircraft prices to keep their fleet flying.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:51 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
ramzi wrote:
that IFE is a complete joke.

Why does everybody need IFE these days.
What’s wrong with a good book, or looking out the window.....
What did you do in the days before IFE...???


I didn't exist in the pre-IFE days. :)

On a serious note, it is not an issue of whether there is IFE, it is the fact that you pay the same price for a flight not knowing if you will get a barely working tiny screen or a much larger one with great responsiveness and USB charging. Hence, it is a good move to consolidate what a traveler can expect on board.
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:24 pm

Here is another take on BA's 747 Refurbishments:

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british ... fresh.html

According to this source, G-CIVB is due for enhanced refurbishment in December 2019.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:26 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
ramzi wrote:
that IFE is a complete joke.

Why does everybody need IFE these days.
What’s wrong with a good book, or looking out the window.....
What did you do in the days before IFE...???

:checkmark: Yes, the window was my IFE :cloudnine:
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:29 pm

I have to wonder if we will see some of the less premium heavy 747 routes change equipment soon then? Will places like DEN, PHX, LAS etc. start seeing a switch soon? Some of those 747s that are due to be retired this year, like CIVB and CIVD tend to fly those routes.
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:46 pm

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What did you do in the days before IFE...???


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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:30 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
ramzi wrote:
that IFE is a complete joke.

Why does everybody need IFE these days.
What’s wrong with a good book, or looking out the window.....
What did you do in the days before IFE...???


Everybody doesn’t need IFE. But a sizeable portion of the flying public prefers an IFE to a book. And the BA 744 IFE is a joke from 1990s, as ramzi stated.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:46 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
ramzi wrote:
that IFE is a complete joke.

Why does everybody need IFE these days.
What’s wrong with a good book, or looking out the window.....
What did you do in the days before IFE...???

Went stir crazy and wished I had some movies to watch other than the one on the movie screen. That’s what

As a kid, we flew jfk-sfo-hkg-sin and back. We had middle section of 4 seats on a PA SP for most of the trip. No looking out the window. Headphones with tubes. Continuous loop of Bill Cosby “Himself” on the comedy radio channel both ways. “I’m faw yees owed!” “Blame it on Rio” on the big screen.

There’s only so many times you can read the inflight magazine as a 10 year old. Sure it’s interesting to see how to say “cold water dispenser” in 20 languages but that gets old.
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:35 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
ramzi wrote:
that IFE is a complete joke.

Why does everybody need IFE these days.
What’s wrong with a good book, or looking out the window.....
What did you do in the days before IFE...???


On a 787, you may be prevented from looking out the window. The cabin attendants will override the window-shading.

As for a book: I agree. I take my Kindle on any flight of more than an hour. Trans-continental or trans-oceanic, same thing. There is RARELY a movie I want to see.
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:38 pm

WesternDC6B wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
ramzi wrote:
that IFE is a complete joke.

Why does everybody need IFE these days.
What’s wrong with a good book, or looking out the window.....
What did you do in the days before IFE...???


On a 787, you may be prevented from looking out the window. The cabin attendants will override the window-shading.

As for a book: I agree. I take my Kindle on any flight of more than an hour. Trans-continental or trans-oceanic, same thing. There is RARELY a movie I want to see.

I don't appreciate forced cabin dimming, ESPECIALLY at night when you are offered a decent opportunity for astrophotography and sometimes a great opportunity for aurora watching.
 
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Re: A source close to British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:59 pm

BA has sent 744s to YVR for 15+ years. I flew it during my first international flight, YVR-LHR-HBE-ADD back in 2006. I sure am going to miss them, and I dread the 10-abreast 777s that will replace them in the off-season.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:53 pm

leftcoast8 wrote:
BA has sent 744s to YVR for 15+ years. I flew it during my first international flight, YVR-LHR-HBE-ADD back in 2006. I sure am going to miss them, and I dread the 10-abreast 777s that will replace them in the off-season.

Are BA taking the 744 off YVR?
 
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Re: A source close to British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:12 am

Whenever I see how these 747s are retiring, it makes me so sad that I kind of wish something would happen to the 787 or the airline realizing the new aircraft will not work so they can order the 748.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:20 am

Ziyulu wrote:
Whenever I see how these 747s are retiring, it makes me so sad that I kind of wish something would happen to the 787 or the airline realizing the new aircraft will not work so they can order the 748.

Same here. I realize that small twins are the near future of aviation, but none of them capture my imagination the way aircraft like the Concorde, 747, and A380
 
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Re: A source close to British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:33 am

speedbird52 wrote:
leftcoast8 wrote:
BA has sent 744s to YVR for 15+ years. I flew it during my first international flight, YVR-LHR-HBE-ADD back in 2006. I sure am going to miss them, and I dread the 10-abreast 777s that will replace them in the off-season.

Are BA taking the 744 off YVR?


* Sorry, I can't help but be snarky in my reply to this question *

Yes, this whole thread is essentially about YVR losing the 747. I think what you're trying to ask is “will it happen in the immediate near future?”.

AUS, BOS, JFK, ORD, DFW, LAX, SFO, PHL, and LOS are the cities that usually see the fully refurbished planes and will keep BA 747 service the longest.

YVR, PHX, SAN, and any other current 747 city could loose them at anytime, but the exact dates are unknown. That’s why I booked my upcoming trip (my first and most likely last 747 flights) as BA PHX-LHR-JFK in May, so that way if one gets swapped early, I should be good on the other.
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Re: A source close to British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:50 am

The last LHR-YVR with the 337-seat 744 will be on 4 May 2019 to be replaced with the 469-seat 388.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:57 am

gunnerman wrote:
The last LHR-YVR with the 337-seat 744 will be on 4 May 2019 to be replaced with the 469-seat 388.


Currently BA sends the 388 to YVR during the summer. Are you saying it's going to be replaced with a year-round 388? Or will the off-season aircraft become a 787-10, 77W, A350-1000?
 
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Re: A source close to British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:44 am

Sorry, should have made it clear that the 388 will be used until 30 September 2019 after which it will be the 744 again.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:11 am

kearnet wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
leftcoast8 wrote:
BA has sent 744s to YVR for 15+ years. I flew it during my first international flight, YVR-LHR-HBE-ADD back in 2006. I sure am going to miss them, and I dread the 10-abreast 777s that will replace them in the off-season.

Are BA taking the 744 off YVR?


* Sorry, I can't help but be snarky in my reply to this question *

Yes, this whole thread is essentially about YVR losing the 747. I think what you're trying to ask is “will it happen in the immediate near future?”.

AUS, BOS, JFK, ORD, DFW, LAX, SFO, PHL, and LOS are the cities that usually see the fully refurbished planes and will keep BA 747 service the longest.

YVR, PHX, SAN, and any other current 747 city could loose them at anytime, but the exact dates are unknown. That’s why I booked my upcoming trip (my first and most likely last 747 flights) as BA PHX-LHR-JFK in May, so that way if one gets swapped early, I should be good on the other.

I don't appreciate snark. This thread is about the 747s eventual retirement. You phrased it in a way that made it seem that withdrawal from the route was imminent.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:13 am

gunnerman wrote:
Sorry, should have made it clear that the 388 will be used until 30 September 2019 after which it will be the 744 again.


Has it been announced which will aircraft will eventually replace the 744s on BA's YVR and SEA routes, and the ETA for the change?
 
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Re: A source close to British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:16 am

When the BA 744's stop pitching up down here at CPT, you will know their time is finally over....

What will we get out of LHR, 773 or A3510?

As a footnote, just a few weeks ago, BNLK did its last run CPT-LHR.....what a fine machine that one has been and a fitting end to a long career
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:29 am

TUGMASTER wrote:
ramzi wrote:
that IFE is a complete joke.

Why does everybody need IFE these days.
What’s wrong with a good book, or looking out the window.....
What did you do in the days before IFE...???


Because it's 2019 and we have the technology available? It baffles me that people think having options is a bad thing. Read your book all you want, if I'm sitting in the middle I'll be happy to have a movie to distract me.
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Re: A source close to British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:39 am

leftcoast8 wrote:
gunnerman wrote:
Sorry, should have made it clear that the 388 will be used until 30 September 2019 after which it will be the 744 again.


Has it been announced which will aircraft will eventually replace the 744s on BA's YVR and SEA routes, and the ETA for the change?


No, there's been no announcement at all. Nor do we know for sure which routes keep 744s the longest. All we know is that they will all be gone from all routes by February 2024. New planes arriving between now and 2024 include A35Ks, 787-10s and 77Ws, but there's no guarantee that one old plane out = one new plane in on the same route, most airlines reshuffle their fleets as new planes arrive.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:11 am

ramzi wrote:
While the assumption for some time has been that the 52J are all leaving first, 86J jumbos are actually also leaving the fleet, I believe the 4th or 5th to leave is an 86J, and there are 3 others that will be retired before all the 52J birds are retired. Thank god they are taking care of the ones staying on for a few more year, that IFE is a complete joke.


Yep that’s right. I want to say CIVG is the first high j to go followed by CIVH (the first 747 i took a flight on). I imagine the refurbished seats will be going into the 52J frames.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:39 am

Arion640 wrote:

Yep that’s right. I want to say CIVG is the first high j to go followed by CIVH (the first 747 i took a flight on). I imagine the refurbished seats will be going into the 52J frames.
The 52J refurb package is pretty far advanced now, over half the planes are done or being done. By the time CIVG is withdrawn, only CIVB will still be awaiting refurb. It's entirely possible some seats from CIVG might find their way into CIVB but it is also possible that CIVB will be too far along for them to be of use, and they'll simply be kept as spares for the remaining fleet.
 
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Re: British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:26 am

Andy33 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Yep that’s right. I want to say CIVG is the first high j to go followed by CIVH (the first 747 i took a flight on). I imagine the refurbished seats will be going into the 52J frames.
The 52J refurb package is pretty far advanced now, over half the planes are done or being done. By the time CIVG is withdrawn, only CIVB will still be awaiting refurb. It's entirely possible some seats from CIVG might find their way into CIVB but it is also possible that CIVB will be too far along for them to be of use, and they'll simply be kept as spares for the remaining fleet.


Didn’t realise they were that far ahead!
 
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Re: A source close to British Airways Details 747-400 Retirement Plans

Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:18 pm

It seems as though the 747 retirement plan is confirmed. 13 will be retired from 2019-2022 and the last 21 in 2022-2024, with the 2nd phase retirements going quicker. I have an article as well mentioning British Airways retirement tactics and plans. Good read if you guys want to check it out. Here's the link.

(https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflyi ... -777x/amp/)
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