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EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:43 am

According to the UK authorities, Turkmenistan Airlines have been banned from the European airspace and flights to the EU have been suspended

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkmenistan
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:54 am

I bet this is due to it's poor service according to it's customers.
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:57 am

Why would an EU ban have anything to do with service?
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:01 pm

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I bet this is due to it's poor service according to it's customers.


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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:39 pm

Nothing on any of their social media or news channels. BBC News reporting thousands stranded. I must admit their badly photoshopped image of an aircraft flying through skyscrapers would have put me right off!

https://www.facebook.com/flyturkmenistanairlines

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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:44 pm

It'll be due to all sorts of safety problem I'm sure.

Last time I flew them about a dozen people were smoking on the flight.
People I know who flew them to the UK said there were also smokers and that the flight attendants in business class allowed the beds to stay in lie-flat mode during landing.
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:21 pm

Well, those Sikhs on ATQ (or DEL)-ASB-BHX (or LHR) are not going to be happy :mad: . (It's probably the largest market for T5). At least there's still HY :scratchchin: (Unless those Indians are willing to fly on AI :duck: ).
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:52 pm

Having flown T5 quite a few times within Central Asia (due to lack of choice) it’s of no great surprise. I also understood the 717’s currently being scrapped at Kemble, we’re not taken up by other 717 operators because none of T5’s paperwork was in order. I would propose the ban is related to lack of standards, than anything else
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:58 pm

AstanaMagic wrote:
Having flown T5 quite a few times within Central Asia (due to lack of choice) it’s of no great surprise. I also understood the 717’s currently being scrapped at Kemble, we’re not taken up by other 717 operators because none of T5’s paperwork was in order. I would propose the ban is related to lack of standards, than anything else


I was wondering why nobody bought those frames, do you have any sources?
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:59 pm

This has nothing to do with service. It appears that it is due to safety and many passengers are potentially stranded

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) said the European Aviation Safety Agency had suspended the airline's flights to and from the EU "pending confirmation that it meets international air safety standards".
"This means that Turkmenistan Airlines flights between the UK (London Heathrow and Birmingham) and Turkmenistan (Ashgabat), do not have permission to travel to and from the UK," the FCO said.
Affected passengers are advised to contact Turkmenistan Airlines to seek advice, the FCO said.
The budget airline also offers flights from Birmingham and London Heathrow - via Asghabat - to various other locations such as Bangkok and Beijing.


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47115732
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:30 pm

Recently I've head there have been numerous issues with their operations, so it's not exactly a surprise that the CAA and EASA have stepped in and called time. That the maintenance and paperwork issues apparently extends to their 5 year old 77Ls is quite something. It's bad enough having to scrap 15 year old 717s.

AstanaMagic wrote:
Having flown T5 quite a few times within Central Asia (due to lack of choice) it’s of no great surprise. I also understood the 717’s currently being scrapped at Kemble, we’re not taken up by other 717 operators because none of T5’s paperwork was in order. I would propose the ban is related to lack of standards, than anything else


Delta Material Services have purchased the 717s - they were aware the frames came without paperwork, but the price reflected this. They are being parted out at Kemble by Air Salvage on behalf of DMS. Where possible, parts will require complete overhaul and re-certification prior to release into the Delta spares pool.
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:47 pm

B717 EZ-A106 no radome, outer wings or rudder
B717 EZ-A101
B717 EZ-A102
B717 (EZ-A107) no radome

The situation at 31/01/2019.
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:53 pm

In my experience, T5 was a bit of a cowboy operation. I loaded some aircraft in utter disbelief at the amount of weight they put in the hold of a 737/757 operating long flights to Ashkhabad. This has been a long time coming.
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:21 pm

Presumably they’re ok to fly to the U.K. after Brexit when all the health and safety nonsense gets shafted :-)
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:23 pm

Except that they have to overfly the EU to get there from Turkmenistan....
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:29 pm

Andy33 wrote:
Except that they have to overfly the EU to get there from Turkmenistan....


I mean, technically they could avoid it...but it would take a LOT longer and be a PITA :)
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:40 pm

Galwayman wrote:
Presumably they’re ok to fly to the U.K. after Brexit when all the health and safety nonsense gets shafted :-)


Nope. All EASA rules and regulations will be grandfathered into CAA legislation, including the list of blacklisted / prohibited carriers.
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:51 pm

Will probably give QR & AI a chance to upgrade their BHX services to daily, as AI and QR are the only 2 airlines which offer service on ATQ-BHX route, the largest void to be left by this decision.
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:02 pm

anshabhi wrote:
Will probably give QR & AI a chance to upgrade their BHX services to daily, as AI and QR are the only 2 airlines which offer service on ATQ-BHX route, the largest void to be left by this decision.


I thought QR were daily to BHX?
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:03 pm

AI don't have aircraft to upgrade BHX. QR *may* be the best chance but BHX not having a great time with airlines and routes of late (outside of Jet2 that is), so could be a tough ask.
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:16 pm

How long have they been flying, since 1993 ???
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:42 pm

Arion640 wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Will probably give QR & AI a chance to upgrade their BHX services to daily, as AI and QR are the only 2 airlines which offer service on ATQ-BHX route, the largest void to be left by this decision.


I thought QR were daily to BHX?

No. They are 4 days a week on B788. But a bigger issue for them is ATQ-DOH is already full
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:42 pm

Qatar are daily to BHX.
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:46 pm

The FRA operation will also be affected
Now I'm regretting my decision a bit to have opted for KU instead of TUA last year for my FRA-BKK routing. Who knows if it'll come back :shock:
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:03 pm

LH748 wrote:
The FRA operation will also be affected
Now I'm regretting my decision a bit to have opted for KU instead of TUA last year for my FRA-BKK routing. Who knows if it'll come back :shock:


Have done longhaul on Turkmenistan, you're not missing a ton
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:04 pm

Don’t they still fly to JFK?
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:33 pm

sonicruiser wrote:
Don’t they still fly to JFK?


Not AFAIK, Uzbekistan Airlines does via RIX with the 788/763
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:37 pm

MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
Don’t they still fly to JFK?


Not AFAIK, Uzbekistan Airlines does via RIX with the 788/763


They go direct now, the RIX stop has been abandoned
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:38 pm

MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
Don’t they still fly to JFK?


Not AFAIK, Uzbekistan Airlines does via RIX with the 788/763


Did Turkmenistan ever fly to JFK? I can't remember it, only Uzbekistan.
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:02 pm

sw733 wrote:
MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
Don’t they still fly to JFK?


Not AFAIK, Uzbekistan Airlines does via RIX with the 788/763


Did Turkmenistan ever fly to JFK? I can't remember it, only Uzbekistan.


I've kept an eye on Central Asian carriers for over a decade now and I can't recall T5 ever flying anywhere outside of Eurasia. I really doubt they could get any kind of load with a 77L on ASB-JFK, even if it was bi-weekly.
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:19 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
Presumably they’re ok to fly to the U.K. after Brexit when all the health and safety nonsense gets shafted :-)


Nope. All EASA rules and regulations will be grandfathered into CAA legislation, including the list of blacklisted / prohibited carriers.

I think he was being ironic :-)
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:20 pm

sw733 wrote:
MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
Don’t they still fly to JFK?


Not AFAIK, Uzbekistan Airlines does via RIX with the 788/763


Did Turkmenistan ever fly to JFK? I can't remember it, only Uzbekistan.


They never did commercially; perhaps an UN charter for the annual UN meeting.
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:21 pm

I wonder if Mary airport in eastern Turkmenistan might get a new airline so that the gas engineers from outside Turkmenistan don't have to fly on T5...
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:22 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
(Unless those Indians are willing to fly on AI :duck: ).


They will fight EASA than risking their lives on AI. I can see them arguing "You should ban AI".
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:36 pm

User001 wrote:
Qatar are daily to BHX.


Yeah i thought so.
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:41 pm

Arion640 wrote:
User001 wrote:
Qatar are daily to BHX.


Yeah i thought so.

Yes they are just with different flight no#. QR 33 on -2-4-67 and QR 35 on 1-3-5.
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:41 pm

Some more details about the Kemble B717’s.

All 4 lack engines/nacelles.

A106 also lacks cockpit windows/doors and leading edges of rudder and stabiliser.

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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:59 pm

I’d expect Air India to go double daily on some days with more direct flights to Amritsar from BHX
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:17 pm

Olly2185 wrote:
I’d expect Air India to go double daily on some days with more direct flights to Amritsar from BHX


On the face of it this makes sense - the market just lost some 1100 seats per week each way.

However, we're talking bottom of the barrel pricing here - one of my (few) regrets whilst living in Birmingham was never taking advantage of the sub £200rtns to India that Turkmenistan offered via the network of corner-shop travel agents. AI can't (profitably) match the prices Turkmenistan offered, and much of their target market just won't travel now, or will take the cheapest routing into India via the ME etc... instead.
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:07 pm

sw733 wrote:
MrGtheSheepA346 wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
Don’t they still fly to JFK?


Not AFAIK, Uzbekistan Airlines does via RIX with the 788/763


Did Turkmenistan ever fly to JFK? I can't remember it, only Uzbekistan.

If they had regular service it's been a while. Pretty sure I saw one during UN week many years ago.
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:28 pm

T5 offered very low fares from/to BHX and ATQ which AI or QR will not be able to match. Even the ME airlines cannot match T5. They may have to look at alternate routing from BHX (or go to MAN or London Area), perhaps Uzbekistan or a Kazhak airline will pick this route up. Also this ban is temporary, if T5 fixes the issues they go back into service, perhaps when they do they probably will not able to offer their earlier rock bottom pricing.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:17 pm

EC-MJS Wamos A332 has just gone over London routing BHX-ASB operating "TUA426", so the flights are continuing to operate.
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:46 pm

Anyone know if tomorrow's LHR flight is operating? I asked T5 on Twitter but nobody replied!
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:00 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
Anyone know if tomorrow's LHR flight is operating? I asked T5 on Twitter but nobody replied!

According to Heathrows app the flight tomorrow is cancelled
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:13 pm

Thanks. Was hoping for an interesting sub.
 
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:13 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
I wonder if Mary airport in eastern Turkmenistan might get a new airline so that the gas engineers from outside Turkmenistan don't have to fly on T5...


Doubt it, unless TK take up the route from ISL.

Turkmenistan has always been a pain for visas and flights. My last trip from DXB was FZ out and LH/J2 back (FZ was full).
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Re: EASA bans Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) from EU airspace

Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:51 am

Does anybody know if Turkmenistan Airlines are back flying to Birmingham (BHX) or London Heathrow (LHR) yet?

And if so is it on their own metal or wet leasing?

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