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QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:10 am

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Australia's Qantas Airways Ltd said on Thursday it formally canceled a longstanding order for eight Airbus SE A380 superjumbo jets.
"Following discussions with Airbus, Qantas has now formalized its decision not to take eight additional A380s that were ordered in 2006," a Qantas spokesman said.

"These aircraft have not been part of the airline's fleet and network plans for some time."

Qantas has 12 A380s in its fleet and the spokesman said it would proceed with plans to refurbish the cabins starting in the middle of this year, with the jets set to remain flying with the airline "well into the future".

(Reporting by Jamie Freed; Editing by Muralikumar Anantharaman)


https://www.businessinsider.com/r-austr ... ets-2019-2

What makes this interesting to me is I would have expected this to have stayed in the books until a selection in Project Sunrise has been made. Like a conversion to A350s or an outright cancellation if it went 777X.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:21 am

ikolkyo wrote:
SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Australia's Qantas Airways Ltd said on Thursday it formally canceled a longstanding order for eight Airbus SE A380 superjumbo jets.
"Following discussions with Airbus, Qantas has now formalized its decision not to take eight additional A380s that were ordered in 2006," a Qantas spokesman said.

"These aircraft have not been part of the airline's fleet and network plans for some time."

Qantas has 12 A380s in its fleet and the spokesman said it would proceed with plans to refurbish the cabins starting in the middle of this year, with the jets set to remain flying with the airline "well into the future".

(Reporting by Jamie Freed; Editing by Muralikumar Anantharaman)


https://www.businessinsider.com/r-austr ... ets-2019-2

What makes this interesting to me is I would have expected this to have stayed in the books until a selection in Project Sunrise has been made. Like a conversion to A350s or an outright cancellation if it went 777X.

We don't know if there was any actual QF money on the table that would have made such a conversion desirable.
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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:25 am

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ikolkyo wrote:
SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Australia's Qantas Airways Ltd said on Thursday it formally canceled a longstanding order for eight Airbus SE A380 superjumbo jets.
"Following discussions with Airbus, Qantas has now formalized its decision not to take eight additional A380s that were ordered in 2006," a Qantas spokesman said.

"These aircraft have not been part of the airline's fleet and network plans for some time."

Qantas has 12 A380s in its fleet and the spokesman said it would proceed with plans to refurbish the cabins starting in the middle of this year, with the jets set to remain flying with the airline "well into the future".

(Reporting by Jamie Freed; Editing by Muralikumar Anantharaman)


https://www.businessinsider.com/r-austr ... ets-2019-2

What makes this interesting to me is I would have expected this to have stayed in the books until a selection in Project Sunrise has been made. Like a conversion to A350s or an outright cancellation if it went 777X.

We don't know if there was any actual QF money on the table that would have made such a conversion desirable.


That is also true, these aircraft have been up in the air for quite some time.
 
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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:28 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Revelation wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:

https://www.businessinsider.com/r-austr ... ets-2019-2

What makes this interesting to me is I would have expected this to have stayed in the books until a selection in Project Sunrise has been made. Like a conversion to A350s or an outright cancellation if it went 777X.

We don't know if there was any actual QF money on the table that would have made such a conversion desirable.


That is also true, these aircraft have been up in the air for quite some time.

They certainly have not. Nor will they be... ;)
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:29 am

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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:30 am

Looks like another domino falling in the A380 cancellation story.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:32 am

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Looks like another domino falling in the A380 cancellation story.


Eh, sort of. Joyce has publically said they didn’t intend on taking these birds for a while.

I would have expected this announcement to coincide with a Sunrise announcement, however. I suspect more is to come soon.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:34 am

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Looks like another domino falling in the A380 cancellation story.


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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:42 am

Please continue posting here, one thread is enough. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1388437
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:48 am

My bad continue your comments guys. :) I didn't realize that other thread was that old.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:51 am

I am curious if there would have been financial payments due now which led to the cancellation. It is odd that Qantas didn’t wait for the project sunrise decision to cancel
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:53 am

Alan Joyce must be out of his mind! There must be a way that the A380 can work better than the 787.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:58 am

The whale is dying. Let us feast upon its composite corpse and develop groundbreaking dental maladies.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:14 am

FlyHPN wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
Looks like another domino falling in the A380 cancellation story.


Eh, sort of. Joyce has publically said they didn’t intend on taking these birds for a while.

I would have expected this announcement to coincide with a Sunrise announcement, however. I suspect more is to come soon.


It's been know for years that these frames would never be delivered, but the timing is notable.

IMHO the is simply part of Airbus clearing the books to cancel the A380 program.

I don't think this is linked to Project Sunrise as I'd have expected the decisions to be concurrent, and a decision is not expected until the end of the year.

For this to be announced now would suggest that either Airbus want the A380s cancelled ASAP and/or the Anet specualtion that the deposits could be moved to the A350 was not accurate, either because Airbus wouldn't budge on the deposits or there was no money to be moved (potentially tied to compensation for the initial A380 delays)

If it is related to Project Sunrise then it is IMHO likely that Boeing has won the order. I reiterate that I think these are unrelated decisions, but if there was a connection between this announcement and Project Sunrise you would think that they'd mention the cancellation of the A380s in a footnote to announcing an A350 order to bury the 'bad' news.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:27 am

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The whale is dying. Let us feast upon its composite corpse and develop groundbreaking dental maladies.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_fall

is there an airliner equivalent to this lol
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:31 am

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The whale is dying. Let us feast upon its composite corpse and develop groundbreaking dental maladies.


Composite corpse?
That's be the 787 and A350.
The A380 used an evolutionary aluminum-lithium alloy, but was NOT a composite airframe.
Had it been, it would have been a more attractive airframe, but incredibly expensive to develop and produce. And purchase.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:34 am

I think QF announced that they would be contracting Airbus to do the refurb on the current A380s. I have no idea how the cost of that compares with the deposits on the eight canceled aircraft but that seems an obvious way to use the deposit $$. Sorry but there's no way this is a signal that the Project Sunrise order has gone to Boeing.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:40 am

FlyHPN wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
Looks like another domino falling in the A380 cancellation story.


Eh, sort of. Joyce has publically said they didn’t intend on taking these birds for a while.

I would have expected this announcement to coincide with a Sunrise announcement, however. I suspect more is to come soon.


Given the disclosure by Airbus of discussions with Emirates regarding their A380 contract, I think the QF cancellation brings increasing clarity to the narrative. Both QF and Airbus, to present, seem to have been content to leave those 8 ordered aircraft on the books, although deferred indefinitely; QF has been quite open in its disclosure that it had no intent to actually take delivery of those 8 ordered frames. Consequently, I see this cancellation as being indicative of Airbus clearing out the questionable A380 orders remaining on the books (leaving just Amedeo and Air Accord at present) before terminating the project. The only real question in my mind is whether EK will even take all 33 of the orders which they had placed prior to the 2017 order for 20+16 which apparently still hasn't been finalized due to the engine performance dispute with RR.

If the 20+16 order doesn't come to fruition, it's unlikely to make financial or strategic sense for Airbus to try to string out production of the remaining 33 aircraft for EK since that won't bridge the program to a potential A380neo; the lack of additional interested parties to present makes the prospect of finding another white knight to rescue the program even more improbable.

IMO, given that it has been reported that Enders wants to leave with a decision on the A380 having been taken, I think it's clear that Airbus approached Emirates about ending the program early. Even if the 20+16 order were to ultimately be annulled, the existing backlog of 36 would be sufficient to take production through mid-2024 at the announced rate. There'd be no pressure to cancel the QF order until ~2022 and again, given both parties' heretofore apparent willingness to defer the order indefinitely, seemingly no other reason to cancel it now. I just don't see another logical explanation for the series of announcements over the past week.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:50 am

I'd caution the use of the word official as they haven't released any news through the asx (https://www.asx.com.au/asx/share-price- ... ompany/QAN) or their own newsroom (https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/)
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:54 am

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The A380 used an evolutionary aluminum-lithium alloy, but was NOT a composite airframe.


Oh my god that changes everything...
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:59 am

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Alan Joyce must be out of his mind! There must be a way that the A380 can work better than the 787.


yes, clearly a raving lunatic.
for some reason he prefers flexibility and low trip cost of a modern twin engine, rather than worrying about filling 500 or 600 seats on every mission.

what a joker.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:55 am

I wonder if this signals a likely direction for future widebody twin orders. Thoughts?
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:14 am

The direction for future widebody orders already seems clear: Project Sunrise for the ULH routes (and possibly Project Sunrise-adjacent aircraft for heavy routes), and more 787s for everything else that justifies a widebody.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:20 am

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I'd caution the use of the word official as they haven't released any news through the asx (https://www.asx.com.au/asx/share-price- ... ompany/QAN) or their own newsroom (https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/)



They only need to announce if it will have a material affect on the companies fundamentals, which this clearly will not.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:37 am

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I wonder if this signals a likely direction for future widebody twin orders. Thoughts?


Considering they cancelled one of the two available quads (sort of, 1 of 1.. Boeing pretty much threw in the towel on the 748i a year ago), and they plan on operating... a future twin order is guaranteed.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:41 am

FlyHappy wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
Alan Joyce must be out of his mind! There must be a way that the A380 can work better than the 787.


yes, clearly a raving lunatic.
for some reason he prefers flexibility and low trip cost of a modern twin engine, rather than worrying about filling 500 or 600 seats on every mission.

what a joker.


Why so aggressive? Some people value other characteristics of typical airline missions than others. It's ok to have different opinions on issues, is it not?
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:56 am

This decision, without a transfer to another Airbus aircraft, indicates to me that QF are working on a common pilot rating for all their widebody needs.
I thought it was possible that QF might go for the 321, and slowly replace the 738 with 320 as they became due, and I suppose it is still possible that Airbus has promised them a great price on a 321XLR, but I now think it is more likely that QF will go 797, 787, and if Project Sunrise is not deferred forever, the 777X, all with a common type rating.

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:01 am

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I'd caution the use of the word official as they haven't released any news through the asx (https://www.asx.com.au/asx/share-price- ... ompany/QAN) or their own newsroom (https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/)



They only need to announce if it will have a material affect on the companies fundamentals, which this clearly will not.


Which is why I'm suggesting that they are still in negotiations with Airbus. It could be a situation where if they don't agree on a a350 order, they will order more a320neo series, so the deposit money could still be in play. I'd imagine if they were going to throw away the deposits that they would have had to report it as it is a serious amount of money.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:03 am

Ruscoe wrote:
This decision, without a transfer to another Airbus aircraft, indicates to me that QF are working on a common pilot rating for all their widebody needs.
I thought it was possible that QF might go for the 321, and slowly replace the 738 with 320 as they became due, and I suppose it is still possible that Airbus has promised them a great price on a 321XLR, but I now think it is more likely that QF will go 797, 787, and if Project Sunrise is not deferred forever, the 777X, all with a common type rating.

Ruscoe


QF Group orders for Jetstar as well and they have 99 aircraft on order that are very unlikely to be fully prepaid. Don't get why everyone seems to assume they forfeited any prepayments. That would just make no sense at all.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:06 am

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DarthLobster wrote:
The whale is dying. Let us feast upon its composite corpse and develop groundbreaking dental maladies.


Composite corpse?
That's be the 787 and A350.
The A380 used an evolutionary aluminum-lithium alloy, but was NOT a composite airframe.
Had it been, it would have been a more attractive airframe, but incredibly expensive to develop and produce. And purchase.


The A380 airframe incorporates a significant amount of composites.

http://slideplayer.com/slide/1554816/5/ ... +(examples).jpg

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:26 am

aviationaware wrote:
Ruscoe wrote:
This decision, without a transfer to another Airbus aircraft, indicates to me that QF are working on a common pilot rating for all their widebody needs.
I thought it was possible that QF might go for the 321, and slowly replace the 738 with 320 as they became due, and I suppose it is still possible that Airbus has promised them a great price on a 321XLR, but I now think it is more likely that QF will go 797, 787, and if Project Sunrise is not deferred forever, the 777X, all with a common type rating.

Ruscoe


QF Group orders for Jetstar as well and they have 99 aircraft on order that are very unlikely to be fully prepaid. Don't get why everyone seems to assume they forfeited any prepayments. That would just make no sense at all.


True but if there was a transfer to another type, I feel pretty sure Airbus would have wanted to announce it, and QF would almost certainly be required to disclose it to the market.
The other factor is that it is possible, that there was very little money on the table for Qantas to lose.

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:30 am

Right now, QF flies the A380 on these routes:

MEL-LAX
MEL-SIN
SYD-DFW
SYD-HKG
SYD-LAX
SYD-SIN-LHR

With a top-up B789/B78X order (counting the B744 replacement), routes to DFW, JNB, LAX, and SCL can all be replaced with a B789, and HKG, SIN, and LHR can be replaced with a B78X with a true W class. (United is flying IAH-SYD with a B789.) A B78X can do SIN-LHR if QF opts for at least 3 classes of seats. For loss of capacity, could QF add a later departure on the B789 to LAX and then fly 2 planes in close proximity back to SYD?
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:33 am

It feels like the 380 story has been around since I first joined A.net back in 1999 (Space 1999 pretty much). In all that time I went from such an American pro-Boeing guy to someone who really just loves the pure competition of this really incredible industry, the joy of travel, the pure awe of a plane taking off, the whole mystery of flight etc. I'm truly pretty depressed to see this happen to the 380 despite my many old arguments against it and Airbus and the rest of it. One thing about the plane you have to admit, it's a unique situation to bid an early farewell to a plane so universally praised by crew, passengers and airlines, the latter at the outset at least. I'm planning my first possible 380 trip in October PDX to LHR and I hope it pans out on BA via SFO. But I know I'd spring for AC on a 787 via Vancouver if AC Prem+ was cheaper than World+. And I guess that's a fair representation of the 380's story and ultimate fate, it was never able to get sufficient momentum to dominate the options and choices one now has. Airbus built the ultimate comfort widebody but Boeing did guess the market right in the end.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:40 am

No surprise. This has been well known for a while.
 
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True but if there was a transfer to another type, I feel pretty sure Airbus would have wanted to announce it, and QF would almost certainly be required to disclose it to the market.


We can skip the almost - there is no such requirement. Unless QF forfeited those payments, there is no possible constellation that would force them to disclose anything ad-hoc, very questionable if they'd even have to disclose in their annual report.

aemoreira1981 wrote:
With a top-up B789/B78X order (counting the B744 replacement), routes to DFW, JNB, LAX, and SCL can all be replaced with a B789, and HKG, SIN, and LHR can be replaced with a B78X with a true W class. (United is flying IAH-SYD with a B789.) A B78X can do SIN-LHR if QF opts for at least 3 classes of seats. For loss of capacity, could QF add a later departure on the B789 to LAX and then fly 2 planes in close proximity back to SYD?


QF will not put a 789 on their best F market. LAX will stay A380 for the foreseeable future.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:47 am

Good news for Airbus and with the damning words from QR about the fat and overweight whale, it should be obvious that it time to move on.

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:58 am

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FlyHappy wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
Alan Joyce must be out of his mind! There must be a way that the A380 can work better than the 787.


yes, clearly a raving lunatic.
for some reason he prefers flexibility and low trip cost of a modern twin engine, rather than worrying about filling 500 or 600 seats on every mission.

what a joker.


Why so aggressive? Some people value other characteristics of typical airline missions than others. It's ok to have different opinions on issues, is it not?


not aggressive. perhaps you misunderstood the "joker" comment - was not directed at you, nothing more than a bit of sarcasm referring to Joyce.
remember, you believe Joyce to be "out of his mind", and considering he runs a successful long haul airlines (operating said A380), and you (and I) do not, seems reasonable for me to counter that Joyce is likely not "out of his mind".

your opinion isn't really divergent from mine - its divergent from Joyces, and most of the airlines of the world.
 
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If it is related to Project Sunrise then it is IMHO likely that Boeing has won the order. I reiterate that I think these are unrelated decisions, but if there was a connection between this announcement and Project Sunrise you would think that they'd mention the cancellation of the A380s in a footnote to announcing an A350 order to bury the 'bad' news.


This is my take, too. The timing of this announcement has some meaning. Exactly what, time will tell, but logically, if Airbus had won Project Sunrise, one would think this A380 announcement would have coincided with announcement of an A350 order.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:15 am

Could they use this cancellation to adjust against any payments or top-up order towards their A320 family order for the group (JQ)? What's their 737NG replacement plan?
 
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Imho it is Airbus cleaning the house. The cancellation will have been in mutual agreement, possibly Airbus wants to officially terminate the A380 - maybe even as the last decision by Enders before Faury takes over. (or as one of the first decisions by Faury)
 
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Imho it is Airbus cleaning the house. The cancellation will have been in mutual agreement, possibly Airbus wants to officially terminate the A380 - maybe even as the last decision by Enders before Faury takes over. (or as one of the first decisions by Faury)

I definitely looks like this. Let’s imagine they wrote kind of a reminder to all remaining A380-customers, asking „when can we start to build your outstanding airframes? Or do you prefer to cancel? :scratchchin: “ ...

I wonder about the reaction of Amadeo in this scenario and once Airbus increases the pressure for a decision. We never heard anything about their plans to operate the twenty A380s by themselves...
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RyanairGuru wrote:
If it is related to Project Sunrise then it is IMHO likely that Boeing has won the order. I reiterate that I think these are unrelated decisions, but if there was a connection between this announcement and Project Sunrise you would think that they'd mention the cancellation of the A380s in a footnote to announcing an A350 order to bury the 'bad' news.


This is my take, too. The timing of this announcement has some meaning. Exactly what, time will tell, but logically, if Airbus had won Project Sunrise, one would think this A380 announcement would have coincided with announcement of an A350 order.

There is a third party to both deals that has so far said nothing. QF has a contract with Rolls Royce for engines on the A380 which will need to be negotiated away, and could even be moved across to an A350 purchase. It isn't as simple as an Airbus-QF deal and all three need to be singing from the same hymnsheet.

This could be the first move in several even ts that need to happen to sort out the long-delayed order once and for all so all three parties can move on.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:41 am

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There is a third party to both deals that has so far said nothing. QF has a contract with Rolls Royce for engines on the A380 which will need to be negotiated away, and could even be moved across to an A350 purchase. It isn't as simple as an Airbus-QF deal and all three need to be singing from the same hymnsheet.


Any RR prepayment could also have been rolled over to future 787 engine purchases or maintenance agreements. For all we know this could have happened ages ago.

This entire thing is a black box. There are so many potential reasons and behind the scenes workings that it's impossible to find out without access to the books.

The same goes for any Sunrise direction people want to read out of this. Could mean either. Might not have any connection whatsoever.

There is just nothing we can take from this WRT the future direction of Qantas' fleet other than what we already knew, which is that those A380s weren't going to happen one way or another.
 
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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:49 am

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Any RR prepayment could also have been rolled over to future 787 engine purchases or maintenance agreements. For all we know this could have happened ages ago.


That is extremely unlikely considering the 787's are all powered by GEnx
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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:51 am

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Any RR prepayment could also have been rolled over to future 787 engine purchases or maintenance agreements. For all we know this could have happened ages ago.


Qantas (and Jetstar) are GEnx on the 787.

If the RR deposits have been quietly dealt with already it would most likely have been part of a broader compensation package for VH-OQA.
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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:51 am

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aviationaware wrote:
Any RR prepayment could also have been rolled over to future 787 engine purchases or maintenance agreements. For all we know this could have happened ages ago.


That is extremely unlikely considering the 787's are all powered by GEnx


True, my bad. Could still have been rolled over into any maintenance contract for the existing T900s.

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If the RR deposits have been quietly dealt with already it would most likely have been part of a broader compensation package for VH-OQA.


Another possibility. The bottom line is, since Qantas have known for so long that they wouldn't take those orders, they had plenty of opportunity to salvage the prepayments.
 
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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:59 am

I think Qantas cancelled a long time ago but Airbus still wanted to show them as orders for PR/marketing reasons. I am pretty sure that the deposits would have been rolled into subsequent orders for other Airbus products. Now that Airbus is tidying up their final production run orders and are cleaning up the order book, it was an easy announcement for Qantas to make. As for RR, they might have rolled over the deposits as payment for their TotalCare contracts.
 
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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:00 am

Airbus has the last laugh with the QF deposit money I presume.
 
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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:00 am

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Right now, QF flies the A380 on these routes:

MEL-LAX
MEL-SIN
SYD-DFW
SYD-HKG
SYD-LAX
SYD-SIN-LHR

With a top-up B789/B78X order (counting the B744 replacement), routes to DFW, JNB, LAX, and SCL can all be replaced with a B789, and HKG, SIN, and LHR can be replaced with a B78X with a true W class. (United is flying IAH-SYD with a B789.) A B78X can do SIN-LHR if QF opts for at least 3 classes of seats. For loss of capacity, could QF add a later departure on the B789 to LAX and then fly 2 planes in close proximity back to SYD?


The 744 replacements being 789's are pretty much covered, 3 will be delivered in Q4 this year with the over 3 being delivered in the first half next year. The next 744 will be retired in 10 days time being OJS, and OEB is scheduled for withdrawal sometime in April. The A388's will still be around for some time, most like another 10 years. The first A388 is due for cabin refurbishment this month. I very much doubt you will see a 787-10 in QF colours fly outside of Asia.

The Project Sunrise aircraft will be decided this year, personally I think it will be the 777X, initially the 778 will be ordered to operate SYD-JFK along with SYD/MEL-LHR. QF has also indicated by 2022-2023 when this aircraft will arrive into the fleet that PER-LHR will likely be upgraded to the Project Sunrise aircraft. When it comes to the A388 replacement the 779 will be ordered later down the track for the busy trunk routes being MEL/SYD-LAX plus premium heavy routes into Asia
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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:00 am

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I think Qantas cancelled a long time ago but Airbus still wanted to show them as orders for PR/marketing reasons.


Very unlikely as it violates several accounting standards.

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