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AA to Mesa: Improve

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:35 am

Interesting. Do any of the other regional airlines have the capacity to pick up any potential flights that Mesa could lose with AA?

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:46 am

YX could have a potential footprint in DFW flying a few DL flights through the day. It would be great to see a YX expansion westward.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:56 am

tkoenig95 wrote:
YX could have a potential footprint in DFW flying a few DL flights through the day.


Given YV's performance and history with DL, I doubt DL would be interested. DL has been at the vanguard of requiring better performance from regional outsourced carriers.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:09 am

How long does Mesas contract with American last?
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Re: AA to Mesa: Improve

Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:34 am

ScottB wrote:
tkoenig95 wrote:
YX could have a potential footprint in DFW flying a few DL flights through the day.


Given YV's performance and history with DL, I doubt DL would be interested. DL has been at the vanguard of requiring better performance from regional outsourced carriers.

YV doesn't operate for Delta, only American and United.

I am surprised we haven't heard a similar note from United on YV's performance standards.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:03 am

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YV doesn't operate for Delta, only American and United.


They have operated for DL before (well, with their Freedom Air non-union alter-ego). They don't operate for DL now, and no doubt that's due to the acrimonious way the contract ended -- DL terminated due to performance and Mesa sued because they felt the performance shortfall was due to DL cancelling regional flights at JFK when congestion necessitated it.

If AA reduces Mesa flying due to poor performance, I can't see Delta having any interest in Mesa as a subcontractor. They're already at their scope limits with their existing carriers and Delta has had a sharper eye on regional carrier performance in recent years.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:10 am

tkoenig95 wrote:
YX could have a potential footprint in DFW flying a few DL flights through the day. It would be great to see a YX expansion westward.


More like Envoy and PSA.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:15 am

Varsity1 wrote:
tkoenig95 wrote:
YX could have a potential footprint in DFW flying a few DL flights through the day. It would be great to see a YX expansion westward.


More like Envoy and PSA.


I think PSA is the likely candidate for it. But they're going to be very busy taking what's left of the Envoy CR7's and then the new build CR9's. Perhaps they could retire more of the CR2's to pick up some of the Mesa CR9 flying, and have that 50 seat flying back filled by Piedmont picking up more 145s?
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:36 am

Isn't Ornstein the greatest?
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:42 am

It's pretty rich for AA to be the ones telling anyone to improve.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:59 am

Maybe PHX would finally get some E-Jet flying for AA if Mesa gets cut.
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Re: AA to Mesa: Improve

Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:19 am

Mesa's first code-share was with UA in 1990. UA cut them off in 1998 due to performance, more than 20 years ago now. YV sued and got back on with UA a couple years later and has been flying for them ever since. AA* picked up YV beginning in 2014 with the US merger, took less than five years for YV to get their first step advisory.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:32 am

I can't wait for Mesa to get the cut. They are such a second rate regional carrier that makes flying out of the PHX hub terrible.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:37 am

tkoenig95 wrote:
YX could have a potential footprint in DFW flying a few DL flights through the day. It would be great to see a YX expansion westward.


YX is Republic not Mesa.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:42 am

The article states that two aircraft operating for American Eagle will be used as spares for both AA and UA operations. So I guess that means a couple of CR9s will be repainted into Mesa's generic all-white livery, like on N407SW?
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:47 am

I wonder if PSA would get the Mesa flying for AA?
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:06 am

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I wonder if PSA would get the Mesa flying for AA?


I highly doubt it. MQ would pick up the slack in DFW and I’m sure OO would step in for PHX.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:18 am

airtran737 wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
I wonder if PSA would get the Mesa flying for AA?


I highly doubt it. MQ would pick up the slack in DFW and I’m sure OO would step in for PHX.


I think Mesa owns the -900's themselves right??
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:34 am

TripleA wrote:
The article states that two aircraft operating for American Eagle will be used as spares for both AA and UA operations. So I guess that means a couple of CR9s will be repainted into Mesa's generic all-white livery, like on N407SW?


Not sure how this will work unless they plan on picking up some extra frames. United doesn't have CR9's in its regional fleet, and Mesa doesn't fly E175's for AA...I believe those are owned by UA anyways.

Also, I know that not long ago, many of Mesa's delays were crew related...extra frames won't help that, but I'm guessing they're trying to get ahead of the maintenance delays.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:40 am

People always called it Messy for a reason.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:33 am

Varsity1 wrote:
airtran737 wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
I wonder if PSA would get the Mesa flying for AA?


I highly doubt it. MQ would pick up the slack in DFW and I’m sure OO would step in for PHX.


I think Mesa owns the -900's themselves right??


There's ~15 they don't own
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:27 am

Dark Lord Parker has spoken. Maybe he should just acquire/merge them into AA. It's been a few years since his last merger, he's gotta be hungry by now...
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:50 am

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:27 pm

Cbusflyer wrote:
tkoenig95 wrote:
YX could have a potential footprint in DFW flying a few DL flights through the day. It would be great to see a YX expansion westward.


YX is Republic not Mesa.


Yes it is. And YX has 100 E175s on order to begin delivery next year. If Mesa gets the boot, and they own a significant portion of their CR9 fleet, YX would probably be a contender.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:09 pm

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Isn't Ornstein the greatest?

How in the hell is this guy still running their operation?
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:04 pm

Doesn't AA owe some of % MESA that came over form the merger?
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:37 pm

floridaflyboy wrote:
Cbusflyer wrote:
tkoenig95 wrote:
YX could have a potential footprint in DFW flying a few DL flights through the day. It would be great to see a YX expansion westward.


YX is Republic not Mesa.


Yes it is. And YX has 100 E175s on order to begin delivery next year. If Mesa gets the boot, and they own a significant portion of their CR9 fleet, YX would probably be a contender.

Couldn't have said it better myself. From the looks of it YX is doing a stupendous job on behalf of the US3 and hopefully can win a bigger stake with AA.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:37 pm

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It's pretty rich for AA to be the ones telling anyone to improve.


Quote of the day, and you beat me to it. If I couldn't say it first, I'm glad someone else did!
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:41 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
n7371f wrote:
Isn't Ornstein the greatest?

How in the hell is this guy still running their operation?


I've said that for years. He runs a crappy operation and has no ethics -- what are his positives?
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:03 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
tkoenig95 wrote:
YX could have a potential footprint in DFW flying a few DL flights through the day. It would be great to see a YX expansion westward.


More like Envoy and PSA.


I think PSA is the likely candidate for it. But they're going to be very busy taking what's left of the Envoy CR7's and then the new build CR9's. Perhaps they could retire more of the CR2's to pick up some of the Mesa CR9 flying, and have that 50 seat flying back filled by Piedmont picking up more 145s?


Its more likely to be an OO expansion in DFW/PHX with PSA backfilling in ORD. MQ would also pick up some more flying in DFW and YX could probably backfill some of the other capacity required for PSA to shift themselves around some more.

ericm2031 wrote:
TripleA wrote:
The article states that two aircraft operating for American Eagle will be used as spares for both AA and UA operations. So I guess that means a couple of CR9s will be repainted into Mesa's generic all-white livery, like on N407SW?


Not sure how this will work unless they plan on picking up some extra frames. United doesn't have CR9's in its regional fleet, and Mesa doesn't fly E175's for AA...I believe those are owned by UA anyways.


For UA to have a white tail CR9 probably wouldn't be much of an issue, it's a very minor difference when it comes to servicing and a bigger plane isn't going to hurt capacity.

ericm2031 wrote:
Also, I know that not long ago, many of Mesa's delays were crew related...extra frames won't help that, but I'm guessing they're trying to get ahead of the maintenance delays.


They still have many crew delays but its mostly poor crew routing/reserves as opposed to a complete lack of crew. The MX delays make the crew delays worse as they have forced crew changes in almost every line of flying the way its built with a 1.5 hour sit in the hub.

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
It's pretty rich for AA to be the ones telling anyone to improve.


Quote of the day, and you beat me to it. If I couldn't say it first, I'm glad someone else did!

A big part of AA's poor performance in PHX & DFW though comes from YV. When YV constantly performs 10-15% under AA mainline and 20-25% under OO and MQ, it makes them the black eye of the operation.

usflyer msp wrote:
AWACSooner wrote:
n7371f wrote:
Isn't Ornstein the greatest?

How in the hell is this guy still running their operation?


I've said that for years. He runs a crappy operation and has no ethics -- what are his positives?

He owns the carrier (well, most of it); he isn't going to just leave.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:26 pm

AA doesn’t want to give more flying to carriers like CZ, OO, YV and YX. They are losing out in revenue when they do this. The WO carriers are a better source of revenue because AAG keeps the money rather than it going to a FFD carrier. I don’t see YX leaving their current footprint which is validated by the last fleet plan in the SEC filing. Mesa is a dumpster fire and the joke of the industry, but some of these changes could help them do a bit better.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:18 pm

airtran737 wrote:
AA doesn’t want to give more flying to carriers like CZ, OO, YV and YX. They are losing out in revenue when they do this. The WO carriers are a better source of revenue because AAG keeps the money rather than it going to a FFD carrier. I don’t see YX leaving their current footprint which is validated by the last fleet plan in the SEC filing. Mesa is a dumpster fire and the joke of the industry, but some of these changes could help them do a bit better.


You've been spouting this crap for years. If it were true, there wouldn't be FFD carriers. If it were true, OH would still be around. If it were true, DL would not have sold CP or XJ.

While sure, you keep your revenue in house, you also keep your costs 100% in house and they can be heavily variable. If your FFD contract costs 97% of what you could do it in house for and 2% of that is pure YX profit, you're still making money over doing it in house.

Claiming that just having all the revenue come back to you is wayyyyy too simplistic. Sure, AA keeps all the revenue with a WO. They also keep all the costs. Simple math. Cost of a YX contract is less than flying the aircraft at a WO, YX very well could get the flying. Likewise, if a contract with YX is more expensive than running it with a WO, the WO gets it.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:19 pm

floridaflyboy wrote:
airtran737 wrote:
AA doesn’t want to give more flying to carriers like CZ, OO, YV and YX. They are losing out in revenue when they do this. The WO carriers are a better source of revenue because AAG keeps the money rather than it going to a FFD carrier. I don’t see YX leaving their current footprint which is validated by the last fleet plan in the SEC filing. Mesa is a dumpster fire and the joke of the industry, but some of these changes could help them do a bit better.


You've been spouting this crap for years. If it were true, there wouldn't be FFD carriers. If it were true, OH would still be around. If it were true, DL would not have sold CP or XJ.

While sure, you keep your revenue in house, you also keep your costs 100% in house and they can be heavily variable. If your FFD contract costs 97% of what you could do it in house for and 2% of that is pure YX profit, you're still making money over doing it in house.

Claiming that just having all the revenue come back to you is wayyyyy too simplistic. Sure, AA keeps all the revenue with a WO. They also keep all the costs. Simple math. Cost of a YX contract is less than flying the aircraft at a WO, YX very well could get the flying. Likewise, if a contract with YX is more expensive than running it with a WO, the WO gets it.


To add to this, it only makes sense to keep it with a WO when the WO can perform that flying at a cost equal to or less than the FFD and in an area where they have a reasonable size and facilities are available. If you were to expand PSA tomorrow to cover the exact same flying that Mesa covers today; you'd find a lack of MX facilities that are a must have. However, if you give OO the PHX flying and marginal DFW flying and give MQ the more important DFW routes; you'd end up with carriers that could support the flying. Even MQ couldn't support all this flying for YV; the flying in PHX relies on the CRJ, the E175 doesn't fit in the gates and the outstations aren't setup to handle it either. I suspect there are similar scenarios with the flying out of DFW.
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Re: AA to Mesa: Improve

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You cant make this up:

https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/a- ... ation.html

Not the best timing for a Mesa FA to fly off the handle.
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:24 am

boeingguy1 wrote:
You cant make this up:

https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/a- ... ation.html

Not the best timing for a Mesa FA to fly off the handle.


Wait, this person wrote an article summarizing a FT post?
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:33 am

AAtakeMeAway wrote:
boeingguy1 wrote:
You cant make this up:

https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/a- ... ation.html

Not the best timing for a Mesa FA to fly off the handle.


Wait, this person wrote an article summarizing a FT post?


That they did; then they reached out to AA for comment.
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:04 am

alasizon wrote:
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
boeingguy1 wrote:
You cant make this up:

https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/a- ... ation.html

Not the best timing for a Mesa FA to fly off the handle.


Wait, this person wrote an article summarizing a FT post?


That they did; then they reached out to AA for comment.


He took of running with a completely uncorroborated, one-sided social media post.

Meh
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:24 pm

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It's pretty rich for AA to be the ones telling anyone to improve.


How so? My AA flights last year we about 85 percent on time. Of the rest my longest delay was about an hour. Their focus on reliability is something I appreciate. They’ve even sped up the time it takes the jetway to be positioned to the A/C after block in. I fly 150k-200k a year on AA and as an EP they’re as good if not better than UA or DL. YMMV, but without specific examples it’s hard to see what you’re refering to as ‘rich’. Cheers.
 
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Tack wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
It's pretty rich for AA to be the ones telling anyone to improve.


How so? My AA flights last year we about 85 percent on time. Of the rest my longest delay was about an hour. Their focus on reliability is something I appreciate. They’ve even sped up the time it takes the jetway to be positioned to the A/C after block in. I fly 150k-200k a year on AA and as an EP they’re as good if not better than UA or DL. YMMV, but without specific examples it’s hard to see what you’re refering to as ‘rich’. Cheers.

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Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:50 pm

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It's pretty rich for AA to be the ones telling anyone to improve.

Haha very funny!

That being said those airplanes carry the American name on them. While AA has a lot of reliability issues improvement has to start somewhere...
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Re: AA to Mesa: Improve

Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:37 pm

I have had the pleasure of experiencing Mesa/UAX when i go thru H-town and have not dealt with any issues other than some borderline ghetto flight attendants, anyone that has issues with Mesa should try out any one of the 3 elite carriers at Trans States holdings LLC.
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:46 pm

uadc8contrail wrote:
I have had the pleasure of experiencing Mesa/UAX when i go thru H-town and have not dealt with any issues other than some borderline ghetto flight attendants, anyone that has issues with Mesa should try out any one of the 3 elite carriers at Trans States holdings LLC.


That's an interesting point. Completely anecdotally, I've flown about a dozen UAX E175 flights on Mesa through IAH and they've all been pleasant and on-time. I have also flown them on the CR7 in and out of IAD a couple times and besides the interiors needing a little work, they weren't bad. Then, I've flown them through PHX as AA....entirely different experience (now, granted that was only 2 flights). Nasty planes, rude FAs, both flights 2+ hours late. Wonder why the disparity. Or maybe I've just been really lucky on the UAX flights.
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Re: AA to Mesa: Improve

Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:53 pm

When the DOT made some smaller carriers report DB, lateness, and cancellations, the list of reporting operating carriers expanded to 17. It's not like Mesa is even the worst of the American Eagle carriers. (The ranking below is July-September 2018 IDB, but other data sets are available.)

1 DELTA AIR LINES
2 ENDEAVOR AIR
3 JETBLUE AIRWAYS
4 HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
5 UNITED AIRLINES
6 EXPRESSJET AIRLINES
7 REPUBLIC AIRLINE
8 PSA AIRLINES
9 AMERICAN AIRLINES
10 MESA AIRLINES
11 ALLEGIANT AIR
12 SKYWEST AIRLINES
13 SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
14 ALASKA AIRLINES
15 ENVOY AIR
16 FRONTIER AIRLINES
17 SPIRIT AIRLINES
 
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Re: AA to Mesa: Improve

Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:53 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
When the DOT made some smaller carriers report DB, lateness, and cancellations, the list of reporting operating carriers expanded to 17. It's not like Mesa is even the worst of the American Eagle carriers. (The ranking below is July-September 2018 IDB, but other data sets are available.)

1 DELTA AIR LINES
2 ENDEAVOR AIR
3 JETBLUE AIRWAYS
4 HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
5 UNITED AIRLINES
6 EXPRESSJET AIRLINES
7 REPUBLIC AIRLINE
8 PSA AIRLINES
9 AMERICAN AIRLINES
10 MESA AIRLINES
11 ALLEGIANT AIR
12 SKYWEST AIRLINES
13 SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
14 ALASKA AIRLINES
15 ENVOY AIR
16 FRONTIER AIRLINES
17 SPIRIT AIRLINES


Can you share the ranking for lateness and cancellations since that's really the topic at hand (I don't think AA is calling Mesa out for IDB, are they?)
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:20 pm

AAtakeMeAway wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
When the DOT made some smaller carriers report DB, lateness, and cancellations, the list of reporting operating carriers expanded to 17. It's not like Mesa is even the worst of the American Eagle carriers. (The ranking below is July-September 2018 IDB, but other data sets are available.)

1 DELTA AIR LINES
2 ENDEAVOR AIR
3 JETBLUE AIRWAYS
4 HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
5 UNITED AIRLINES
6 EXPRESSJET AIRLINES
7 REPUBLIC AIRLINE
8 PSA AIRLINES
9 AMERICAN AIRLINES
10 MESA AIRLINES
11 ALLEGIANT AIR
12 SKYWEST AIRLINES
13 SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
14 ALASKA AIRLINES
15 ENVOY AIR
16 FRONTIER AIRLINES
17 SPIRIT AIRLINES


Can you share the ranking for lateness and cancellations since that's really the topic at hand (I don't think AA is calling Mesa out for IDB, are they?)

I'm not an expert on the DOT data but I did find this report on the BTS website which is interesting, Mesa is better on both stats than Envoy, but not by much.....

Note: The site didn't have data for Republic, PSA or Allegiant, but here's the data through the 12 months ending October 2018:

https://www.transtats.bts.gov/carriers.asp?pn=1

by On Time Arrival:
Airline Arrival On time Avg Arrival Delay (MINS)
HAWAIIAN AIRLINES 88% 44.89
DELTA AIR LINES 86% 67.25
ALASKA AIRLINES 83% 47.76
SPIRIT AIRLINES 81% 74.97
UNITED AIRLINES 81% 69.43
SKYWEST AIRLINES 80% 78.18
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES 80% 50.64
AMERICAN AIRLINES 79% 62.64
ENDEAVOR AIR 79% 78.46
EXPRESSJET AIRLINES 78% 79.06
MESA AIRLINES 78% 73.24
ENVOY AIR 77% 60.6
JETBLUE AIRWAYS 72% 67.72
FRONTIER AIRLINES 71% 73.97
REPUBLIC AIRLINE
PSA AIRLINES
ALLEGIANT AIR

by Cancellation Rate:
Airline Cancellation Rate
HAWAIIAN AIRLINES 0.33%
DELTA AIR LINES 0.58%
UNITED AIRLINES 0.71%
ALASKA AIRLINES 0.84%
SPIRIT AIRLINES 1.06%
SKYWEST AIRLINES 1.33%
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES 1.33%
AMERICAN AIRLINES 1.48%
FRONTIER AIRLINES 1.88%
JETBLUE AIRWAYS 2.07%
EXPRESSJET AIRLINES 2.34%
MESA AIRLINES 2.74%
ENDEAVOR AIR 2.91%
ENVOY AIR 3.79%
1.4mm and counting...
 
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Re: AA to Mesa: Improve

Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:31 pm

Reading the OP link, it sounds like Mesa and AA are working together. Two aircraft used as spares. More touch time.

Envoy and PSA are doing worse. Rhoo rhroo
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Re: AA to Mesa: Improve

Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:03 pm

alasizon wrote:
For UA to have a white tail CR9 probably wouldn't be much of an issue, it's a very minor difference when it comes to servicing and a bigger plane isn't going to hurt capacity.


The main issue I could see is if they've reached their scope limit for 76-seaters, flying a 76-seater in place of a 69- or 70-seater might be considered a technical violation of scope even if only 69 or 70 seats are sold.

AAtakeMeAway wrote:
I don't think AA is calling Mesa out for IDB, are they?


I can't even imagine how IDBs would be relevant to this topic unless YV is causing them due to things like broken seats or maintenance items which might require blocking seats. AA controls the number of seats sold on AA* flights.
 
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Re: AA to Mesa: Improve

Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:02 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Reading the OP link, it sounds like Mesa and AA are working together. Two aircraft used as spares. More touch time.

Envoy and PSA are doing worse. Rhoo rhroo


Envoy and PSA have by far and away the most difficult flight files in the AA system. They pick up all the crumbs and loose ends the other carriers won't or can't. Just look at flight aware.
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