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Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:57 am

Did UA have a 747 base at EWR (Post-Continental merger)?
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:07 am

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Did UA have a 747 base at EWR (Post-Continental merger)?


No.
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:10 pm

Why didn’t United have a 747 base in EWR?
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:20 pm

UA (legacy, pre-merger) flew 747's out of EWR to NRT and to LHR though these routes were axed long before the UA/CO merger. Post-merger, UA never operated scheduled 747 service out of EWR.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:58 pm

UA857 wrote:
Why didn’t United have a 747 base in EWR?

Most sCO and sUA long-haul aircraft have remained at their respective former airline bases. At that point, most of UA's 747s were based at ORD and SFO. It was not worth a reshuffling of aircraft bases, especially larger ones.
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:14 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Why didn’t United have a 747 base in EWR?

Most sCO and sUA long-haul aircraft have remained at their respective former airline bases. At that point, most of UA's 747s were based at ORD and SFO. It was not worth a reshuffling of aircraft bases, especially larger ones.


Best answer of all - excellent summary!

Unless there were routes - meaning many - that could only be served by the 747 from EWR, why would anyone move a base there? Granted, as new airliners enter service, such as the 787, new mx bases will be added, but the time of the merger, the handwriting was on the wall for United's Queen of the Skies.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:55 am

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Why didn’t United have a 747 base in EWR?

Because when it broke, not if, when, you had less access to spares, spare parts, and expertise in fixing it.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:18 am

UA 744 at EWR, does not even sound right. CO did not have 744s.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:30 am

BWIAirport wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Why didn’t United have a 747 base in EWR?

Most sCO and sUA long-haul aircraft have remained at their respective former airline bases. At that point, most of UA's 747s were based at ORD and SFO. It was not worth a reshuffling of aircraft bases, especially larger ones.


The 744 reliability got so bad at that point that they were all moved to SFO.
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:37 pm

intotheair wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Why didn’t United have a 747 base in EWR?

Most sCO and sUA long-haul aircraft have remained at their respective former airline bases. At that point, most of UA's 747s were based at ORD and SFO. It was not worth a reshuffling of aircraft bases, especially larger ones.


The 744 reliability got so bad at that point that they were all moved to SFO.


In 2012, UA repositioned the entire 747-400 fleet to SFO and the maintenance facility they have there because the dispatch reliability of the 747-400 had gotten so bad. Pre-merger, legacy UA deferred a lot of maintenance on planes that was not critical and the result was a terrible track record, particularly for the 747. All 747's flew out of SFO and between SFO and ORD for the ORD flights that had 747 service.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:31 pm

I had the rare chance to catch a 744 in EWR post merger that was used as a charter for athletes going to Sochi for the winter Olympics. That was pretty cool. Especially the Canadian hockey players who filled the UA lounge.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:12 am

Didn’t DL fly 747s out of JFK and ATL after the DL/NW merger?
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:25 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
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[snip]
In 2012, UA repositioned the entire 747-400 fleet to SFO and the maintenance facility they have there because the dispatch reliability of the 747-400 had gotten so bad. Pre-merger, legacy UA deferred a lot of maintenance on planes that was not critical and the result was a terrible track record, particularly for the 747. All 747's flew out of SFO and between SFO and ORD for the ORD flights that had 747 service.

They also flew out of LAX for SYD & MEL re-positioning to SFO via the SYD - SFO flight.

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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:46 am

Gemuser wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
[snip]
In 2012, UA repositioned the entire 747-400 fleet to SFO and the maintenance facility they have there because the dispatch reliability of the 747-400 had gotten so bad. Pre-merger, legacy UA deferred a lot of maintenance on planes that was not critical and the result was a terrible track record, particularly for the 747. All 747's flew out of SFO and between SFO and ORD for the ORD flights that had 747 service.

They also flew out of LAX for SYD & MEL re-positioning to SFO via the SYD - SFO flight.

Gemuser


MEL was flown as LAX-SYD-MEL-SYD-LAX. It was not served nonstop until post-merger UA launched 787-9 service from LAX to MEL in 2014.

UA also operated the 744 from SFO to SYD, and prior to the LAX nonstop to MEL, the SFO-SYD flight would connect to a SYD-MEL flight operated with one of the two 744s operated by UA into SYD.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:56 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

They also flew out of LAX for SYD & MEL re-positioning to SFO via the SYD - SFO flight.

Gemuser


MEL was flown as LAX-SYD-MEL-SYD-LAX. It was not served nonstop until post-merger UA launched 787-9 service from LAX to MEL in 2014.

UA also operated the 744 from SFO to SYD, and prior to the LAX nonstop to MEL, the SFO-SYD flight would connect to a SYD-MEL flight operated with one of the two 744s operated by UA into SYD.

On some days, as maintenance required, the aircraft from SFO would operate the SYD - LAX leg [maybe/maybe not operating the SYD - MEL - SYD flight], thus becoming the LAX aircraft until maintenance requirements dictated another swap. During irrops the planned operational pattern was discarded and the various aircraft operated as circumstance dictated.

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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:56 am

For a short while, there were 2 beautiful 744’s at JFK. One was brand new and flew JFK- HKG. I believe the new one for HK was Battleship.
I never once saw one at EWR. Once upon a time EWR saw many 744’s From many different airlines. (And while not a -400) there were often a good number of People Express. Today I rarely see any kind of 747 at EWR, not even UPS.
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:11 am

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Why didn’t United have a 747 base in EWR?


United didn’t have a base in EWR pre-merger, IIRC.
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:53 pm

InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Why didn’t United have a 747 base in EWR?


United didn’t have a base in EWR pre-merger, IIRC.


EWR was a FA base until shortly after 9/11. I also believe it was a narrow body pilot base as well.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:47 pm

VC10er wrote:
For a short while, there were 2 beautiful 744’s at JFK. One was brand new and flew JFK- HKG. I believe the new one for HK was Battleship.
I never once saw one at EWR. Once upon a time EWR saw many 744’s From many different airlines. (And while not a -400) there were often a good number of People Express. Today I rarely see any kind of 747 at EWR, not even UPS.

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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:06 pm

UA never had a 744 base at EWR. 777s were regularly seen till LHR was dropped. But I do not believe they were based there either.

CO did has 741s and 742s from EWR into the 90s and also flew JFK-HNL-SYD but that was spoke of the HNL hub. Like YVR-HNL
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:57 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

They also flew out of LAX for SYD & MEL re-positioning to SFO via the SYD - SFO flight.

Gemuser


MEL was flown as LAX-SYD-MEL-SYD-LAX. It was not served nonstop until post-merger UA launched 787-9 service from LAX to MEL in 2014.

UA also operated the 744 from SFO to SYD, and prior to the LAX nonstop to MEL, the SFO-SYD flight would connect to a SYD-MEL flight operated with one of the two 744s operated by UA into SYD.


I have a distant memory of UA trying to fly a 744 nonstop from MEL to LAX when QF began operated MEL-LAX with the 744ER. It didn't last long. Here's a thread from another site with some folks confirming it did exist

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united- ... ights.html
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:58 pm

VC10er wrote:
For a short while, there were 2 beautiful 744’s at JFK. One was brand new and flew JFK- HKG. I believe the new one for HK was Battleship.
I never once saw one at EWR. Once upon a time EWR saw many 744’s From many different airlines. (And while not a -400) there were often a good number of People Express. Today I rarely see any kind of 747 at EWR, not even UPS.


LH flies daily FRA-EWR with a 747-8i.

Until recently El Al flew a 744 on occasion.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:23 pm

UA also flew EWR-NRT until about 1997 or so with 747-222Bs. Last 747SP route for UA was EWR-LHR and was flown until about late 1994 or early 1995.

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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:57 pm

The777Man wrote:
UA also flew EWR-NRT until about 1997 or so with 747-222Bs. Last 747SP route for UA was EWR-LHR and was flown until about late 1994 or early 1995.

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Thank you,
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:30 pm

UA857 wrote:
Didn’t DL fly 747s out of JFK and ATL after the DL/NW merger?


Yes, but NW had a long history of flying 747's out of JFK pre-merger to NRT.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:23 pm

The777Man wrote:
UA also flew EWR-NRT until about 1997 or so with 747-222Bs. Last 747SP route for UA was EWR-LHR and was flown until about late 1994 or early 1995.

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No, they did not. The two high gross weight 747-200's that UA operated, were used on JFK-NRT, not EWR-NRT
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:00 am

UA857 wrote:
Why didn’t United have a 747 base in EWR?


I would guess the tight spacing at EWR. Better used for more flights with smaller airframes.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:21 am

Transpac787 wrote:
The777Man wrote:
UA also flew EWR-NRT until about 1997 or so with 747-222Bs. Last 747SP route for UA was EWR-LHR and was flown until about late 1994 or early 1995.

The777Man


No, they did not. The two high gross weight 747-200's that UA operated, were used on JFK-NRT, not EWR-NRT


I may be mistaken but then there were 747-400s out of EWR to NRT. For sure, UA flew that route for a while before CO started the route in 1999 or so.

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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:56 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Most sCO and sUA long-haul aircraft have remained at their respective former airline bases. At that point, most of UA's 747s were based at ORD and SFO. It was not worth a reshuffling of aircraft bases, especially larger ones.


The 744 reliability got so bad at that point that they were all moved to SFO.


In 2012, UA repositioned the entire 747-400 fleet to SFO and the maintenance facility they have there because the dispatch reliability of the 747-400 had gotten so bad. Pre-merger, legacy UA deferred a lot of maintenance on planes that was not critical and the result was a terrible track record, particularly for the 747. All 747's flew out of SFO and between SFO and ORD for the ORD flights that had 747 service.


Why did PMUA deferred a lot of maintenance on there 747-400?
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:26 am

UA857 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
intotheair wrote:

The 744 reliability got so bad at that point that they were all moved to SFO.


In 2012, UA repositioned the entire 747-400 fleet to SFO and the maintenance facility they have there because the dispatch reliability of the 747-400 had gotten so bad. Pre-merger, legacy UA deferred a lot of maintenance on planes that was not critical and the result was a terrible track record, particularly for the 747. All 747's flew out of SFO and between SFO and ORD for the ORD flights that had 747 service.


Why did PMUA deferred a lot of maintenance on there 747-400?


Because United Airlines entered bankruptcy in 2002 and stayed there until 2006.
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:48 am

I searched Google and could not find a definite answer. How would you type in your search words?
 
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Re: Did United ever have a 747 base at EWR?

Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:33 am

When did UA stop flying 747 out of IAD?

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