Delta A220 Debut Today (2/7/19)

penguins · Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:00 am

Delta 744 will depart LGA this morning at 6 AM ET bound for BOS, marking the first A220/CS100 commercial service for Delta and in North America. I will be on the flight and am greatly looking forward to it!

PWMRamper · Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:54 am

On board! A beautiful aircraft!

Pudelhund · Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:27 am

>tfw scheduled on the original date and is instead sitting on a 717 now

qf789 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:36 am

Pushback of inaugural revenue service

https://twitter.com/savhuddles/status/1 ... 10208?s=20

qf789 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:37 am

Takeoff for the first flight

https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/1 ... 27041?s=20

mtcross · Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:48 am

Boston approach had a long conversation with DL744 about the aircraft type and what they should call it. DL744 went as far to explain Airbus bought 50.1% of the program and will be building them soon in Mobile.

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mwearley · Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:04 pm

penguins wrote:
Delta 744 will depart LGA this morning at 6 AM ET bound for BOS, marking the first A220/CS100 commercial service for Delta and in North America. I will be on the flight and am greatly looking forward to it!

The first commercial flight of the B767 was also a Boston flight (UA). However, it was a Boston departure, rather than an arrival. All of the pax received laminated inaugural flight luggage tags.Hopefully, DL will do something similar.

teachpdx · Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:05 pm

The first flight ceremony is just getting underway at DFW. Departure in one hour.

anxo75 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:26 pm

PWMRamper wrote:
On board! A beautiful aircraft!

It'd better be beautiful...the unit cost is 89.5 m. Maybe not so much for DL

Narfish641 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:38 pm

Way to go Delta! Now just waiting for a trip report to see how the product is! (iTripReport?)

sassiciai · Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:45 pm

anxo75 wrote:
PWMRamper wrote:
On board! A beautiful aircraft!

It'd better be beautiful...the unit cost is 89.5 m. Maybe not so much for DL

What currency are you using?

It certainly isn't USD - for $89.5, you can almost get a brand-new A330 or B787!

flymco753 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:53 pm

I saw a lot of videos and pictures from fellow avgeeks on Twitter. Looks like they're having fun!

SEA · Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:58 pm

sassiciai wrote:
anxo75 wrote:
PWMRamper wrote:
On board! A beautiful aircraft!

It'd better be beautiful...the unit cost is 89.5 m. Maybe not so much for DL

What currency are you using?

It certainly isn't USD - for $89.5, you can almost get a brand-new A330 or B787!

The A220-100 list price is $81m, the -300 is $90m. Obviously DL is paying nowhere near that.

$89.5m for a 787 or A330 would be a steal at a nearly 60% discount!

Bobloblaw · Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:01 pm

mwearley wrote:
penguins wrote:
Delta 744 will depart LGA this morning at 6 AM ET bound for BOS, marking the first A220/CS100 commercial service for Delta and in North America. I will be on the flight and am greatly looking forward to it!

The first commercial flight of the B767 was also a Boston flight (UA). However, it was a Boston departure, rather than an arrival. All of the pax received laminated inaugural flight luggage tags.Hopefully, DL will do something similar.

I didn’t know that. I thought the first 767 was ORD-LGA

mwearley · Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:07 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
mwearley wrote:
penguins wrote:
Delta 744 will depart LGA this morning at 6 AM ET bound for BOS, marking the first A220/CS100 commercial service for Delta and in North America. I will be on the flight and am greatly looking forward to it!

The first commercial flight of the B767 was also a Boston flight (UA). However, it was a Boston departure, rather than an arrival. All of the pax received laminated inaugural flight luggage tags.Hopefully, DL will do something similar.

I didn’t know that. I thought the first 767 was ORD-LGA

No, it was BOS-ORD. The common element was BOS.

anxo75 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:20 pm

SEA wrote:
sassiciai wrote:
anxo75 wrote:
It'd better be beautiful...the unit cost is 89.5 m. Maybe not so much for DL

What currency are you using?

It certainly isn't USD - for $89.5, you can almost get a brand-new A330 or B787!

The A220-100 list price is $81m, the -300 is $90m. Obviously DL is paying nowhere near that.

$89.5m for a 787 or A330 would be a steal at a nearly 60% discount!

Anyway, $90m for that type of aircraft is simply ridiculous...

B1168 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:26 pm

anxo75 wrote:
SEA wrote:
sassiciai wrote:
What currency are you using?

It certainly isn't USD - for $89.5, you can almost get a brand-new A330 or B787!

The A220-100 list price is $81m, the -300 is $90m. Obviously DL is paying nowhere near that.

$89.5m for a 787 or A330 would be a steal at a nearly 60% discount!

Anyway, $90m for that type of aircraft is simply ridiculous...

Think about it. How much does a 737 MAX 7/8 cost on list price? Actually over 100 million USD. If so, BCS are actually cheaper, and it will make sense if BCS and 737 series offer the same ratio of discount.
Also, it is nice to see A220 into service. Hopefully they will add JFK-DFW service soon.

RobertS975 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:30 pm

Flightaware calls the A220 a "BCS1"... where does that come from? The return BOS-LGA is in the air as is the LGA-DFW flight. Wonder if DL sold revenue seats on the ATL-LGA positioning flights yesterday?

wjcandee · Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:39 pm

RobertS975 wrote:
Flightaware calls the A220 a "BCS1"... where does that come from?

Bombardier C-Series 100. The -300 is BCS3.

The funny thing is that people act as if ATC hasn't been dealing with the C-Series since loooooong before it was flying for Delta or part of the program was purchased by Airbus. It got its designator when it first went into the air, many years ago.

And Flightaware doesn't make up its own codes. BCS1 and BCS3 are the official ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) codes for the aircraft.

SheikhDjibouti · Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:09 pm

I am seeing a total of 23 C-series airborne at this time
2 in Africa (Air Tanzania)
3 in the US (Delta)
And Europe is simply swarming with Swiss and AirBaltic all over the shop.
(Asia is fast asleep at this time...)

I'm guessing Boston ATC weren't asking what the official designation was, but rather how should they describe it on the radio?

"United 427, turn left and follow the.... um.... er….. little fella in front of you."

evank516 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:18 pm

Woohoo! It finally happened! Can't wait to see this thing on more routes! Still praying to see it on LGA-MCI.

teachpdx · Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:14 pm

The first flight from DFW just touched down at LGA. It rode through the Texas thunderstorms very well. Overall a fantastic flight.
And the lavatory window is adorable.

TigerFlyer · Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:32 pm

anxo75 wrote:
SEA wrote:
sassiciai wrote:
What currency are you using?

It certainly isn't USD - for $89.5, you can almost get a brand-new A330 or B787!

The A220-100 list price is $81m, the -300 is $90m. Obviously DL is paying nowhere near that.

$89.5m for a 787 or A330 would be a steal at a nearly 60% discount!

Anyway, $90m for that type of aircraft is simply ridiculous...

The original acquisition price from Bombardier was $19.6 million a copy, leading to the Boeing anti-dumping complaint and restructuring of the program under Airbus with US production facility in Mobile. Delta did not pay anywhere near the current A220 list price.

ExMilitaryEng · Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:38 pm

Where did you get that $19.6M a copy?

The only figures we heard was $26M for a "derated" lower range/MTOW/engines CS1 version.

UALFAson · Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:43 pm

Sorry I missed it. I purchased a seat months ago and got switched to the new first flight but couldn't get out of Nashville last night due to severe weather here, so I cancelled my ticket. Hopefully a standby got to have fun for me instead!

Side note: It doesn't appear that USA Today attended the event. Ben wrote an article about it, but obviously wasn't there. I still think DL missed out on media exposure by scheduling the inaugural flight at 0600.

Sooner787 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:49 pm

Interesting the plane is listed as a " 221 " in SABRE

1DL 2252 J9 C8 D1 I0*DFWLGA N 805A 1230P 221 B/F 0 XS DCA /E
Z0 W9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U4
2DL 2949 J9 C9 D8 I7*DFWLGA 9 1144A 410P 221 L/F 0 DCA /E
Z2 W9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9
3DL 1977 J9 C9 D8 I6*DFWLGA 7 245P 716P 221 L/F 0 DCA /E
Z1 W9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U0

Oliver2020 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:52 pm

SEA wrote:
sassiciai wrote:
anxo75 wrote:
It'd better be beautiful...the unit cost is 89.5 m. Maybe not so much for DL

What currency are you using?

It certainly isn't USD - for $89.5, you can almost get a brand-new A330 or B787!

The A220-100 list price is $81m, the -300 is $90m. Obviously DL is paying nowhere near that.

$89.5m for a 787 or A330 would be a steal at a nearly 60% discount!

Didn't Delta pay approximately 22 million for each A220-100, and approximately 90 million for each A339 as they got launch customer pricing?

wrongwayup · Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:56 pm

TigerFlyer wrote:
anxo75 wrote:
SEA wrote:

The A220-100 list price is $81m, the -300 is $90m. Obviously DL is paying nowhere near that.

$89.5m for a 787 or A330 would be a steal at a nearly 60% discount!

Anyway, $90m for that type of aircraft is simply ridiculous...

The original acquisition price from Bombardier was $19.6 million a copy, leading to the Boeing anti-dumping complaint and restructuring of the program under Airbus with US production facility in Mobile. Delta did not pay anywhere near the current A220 list price.

$19.6M was Boeing's rather baseless claim based on a flawed analysis. Boeing's "analysis" used Delta's projected annual capex and a) divided by too high a number of airplanes (using a 3rd party fleet forecast) and b) neglected to account for the millions already paid to BBD in the form of PDPs, whereas the projected capex number just included the balance. However Boeing did succeed in planting that number in the consciousness of the industry, and of course helped strengthen their otherwise weak case at the Department of Commerce...

Cebo29 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:01 pm

On flight 825 LGA-DFW...beautiful & spacious plane...very exiting day.

richierich · Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:04 pm

mwearley wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
mwearley wrote:

The first commercial flight of the B767 was also a Boston flight (UA). However, it was a Boston departure, rather than an arrival. All of the pax received laminated inaugural flight luggage tags.Hopefully, DL will do something similar.

I didn’t know that. I thought the first 767 was ORD-LGA

No, it was BOS-ORD. The common element was BOS.

The very first E190 flight anywhere in the world was a BOS departure in 2005, on B6. BOS-JFK as I recall (there was a JFK-BOS flight scheduled almost simultaneously but just a few minutes later...)

Looks like a great plane for DL, wish we could have actually seen the takeoff and not just get teased with the engine run-up!

evank516 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:09 pm

DL2952 operating LGA-DFW landed at 10:54 AM Central Time.

lightsaber · Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:11 pm

Congrats to DL. I hope they perform a top off order as well as other US orders.

As to what to call it: "Minibus". :duck:

Lightsaber

Oliver2020 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:16 pm

wrongwayup wrote:
TigerFlyer wrote:
anxo75 wrote:
Anyway, $90m for that type of aircraft is simply ridiculous...

The original acquisition price from Bombardier was $19.6 million a copy, leading to the Boeing anti-dumping complaint and restructuring of the program under Airbus with US production facility in Mobile. Delta did not pay anywhere near the current A220 list price.

$19.6M was Boeing's rather baseless claim based on a flawed analysis. Boeing's "analysis" used Delta's projected annual capex and a) divided by too high a number of airplanes (using a 3rd party fleet forecast) and b) neglected to account for the millions already paid to BBD in the form of PDPs, whereas the projected capex number just included the balance. However Boeing did succeed in planting that number in the consciousness of the industry, and of course helped strengthen their otherwise weak case at the Department of Commerce...

Also Boeing was complaining about it harming their product when they were competing with used 717s and used erj190s, and the only new AC 737-700 or 737-max which wasn't in the Same category as the A220-100 which correct me if I'm wrong weren't entered in the Rfp.

Capn · Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:17 pm

How about

CANABUS

Sorry...

797 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:35 pm

Here's a full trip report of today's flight for those interested:

https://airwaysmag.com/flight-review/de ... inaugural/

I'm so bummed. I was supposed to be on that flight but on JAN31. Stupid government shutdown.

Cactusjuba · Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:59 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Congrats to DL. I hope they perform a top off order as well as other US orders.

As to what to call it: "Minibus".

Lightsaber

I threw out a name in a different forum and it seems to have spread and stuck: Canada + Airbus = Canabus.

Capn wrote:
How about

CANABUS

Sorry...

Case in point.

rnav2dlrey · Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:02 pm

DL825 LGA-DFW just performed a go around at DFW.

liveatc for DFW tower east isn't super clear, but i believe the reason stated was that the aircraft had "floated too far down the runway."

Erebus · Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:11 pm

Small aircraft, but looks very spacious. Lavatory window is cool too.

QXAS · Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:42 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Congrats to DL. I hope they perform a top off order as well as other US orders.

As to what to call it: "Minibus".

Lightsaber

I threw out a name in a different forum and it seems to have spread and stuck: Canada + Airbus = Canabus.

Capn wrote:
How about

CANABUS

Sorry...

Case in point.

Delta Pilots I’ve spoken to all call it the Canabus (even in a formal presentation). Minibus refers to A319/A318.

CRJ 900 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:43 pm

Why didn't they just keep Cseries name. Cseries by Airbus for marketing or something like that. Airbus CS 100 and CS 300 I mean the aircraft reg is still Cseries...Airbus is not mentioned anywhere on there. But congrats DL! My ex colleague from Canada is now working as an FA for DL....he was sayin it wuda been awesome if they crewed the inaugural with Canadian born crew working for DL.

TropicalSky · Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:42 pm

How have the A220 been doing so far for DAL?

reltney · Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:28 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Congrats to DL. I hope they perform a top off order as well as other US orders.

As to what to call it: "Minibus".

Lightsaber

Nope! It is a CANABUS.... at least it what pilots call it at our airline.

Canabus.... c100/220 or whatever it number it is the CANABUS !
Mad dog. Md 80
3 holer 727
Tritanic. L1011
Whale 747 or 4x4 or the 18 wheeler
Puppy dog 717
Diesel 8 DC-8
Scarbus. Any Airbus But I have heard 330 as the big bus
75. 757
76. 767. Few just say ER... weird. Who says I fly the Extended Range..... well some do...
767-400 is the 2x4
350 is the trash panda
737 is always a guppy.....

There is more......just can’t remember...

However thank goodness CANABUS stuck! There is even a few good stickers out there in the pilot ops area I’ll try and post...

Cheers

TW870 · Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:45 pm

TropicalSky wrote:
How have the A220 been doing so far for DAL?

Operation has been good so far as I can tell. DFW has thunderstorms right now (3pm EST on the 19th), so the noon flight left an hour an a half late. But all 5 A220 DFW departures operated today with only that one significant delay so far. There is no longer a full-time operational spare for the fleet, since they added an additional DFW-LGA frequency and one DFW-DTW frequency, but ship 105 has been delivered, and 106 and 107 should come next week. Overall good EIS so far!

Lootess · Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:09 pm

CRJ 900 wrote:
Why didn't they just keep Cseries name. Cseries by Airbus for marketing or something like that. Airbus CS 100 and CS 300 I mean the aircraft reg is still Cseries...Airbus is not mentioned anywhere on there.

It's Airbus A220 on the serial number plate.

Chriswebb775 · Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:23 pm

reltney wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Congrats to DL. I hope they perform a top off order as well as other US orders.

As to what to call it: "Minibus".

Lightsaber

Nope! It is a CANABUS.... at least it what pilots call it at our airline.

Canabus.... c100/220 or whatever it number it is the CANABUS !
Mad dog. Md 80
3 holer 727
Tritanic. L1011
Whale 747 or 4x4 or the 18 wheeler
Puppy dog 717
Diesel 8 DC-8
Scarbus. Any Airbus But I have heard 330 as the big bus
75. 757
76. 767. Few just say ER... weird. Who says I fly the Extended Range..... well some do...
767-400 is the 2x4
350 is the trash panda
737 is always a guppy.....

There is more......just can’t remember...

However thank goodness CANABUS stuck! There is even a few good stickers out there in the pilot ops area I’ll try and post...

Cheers

You forgot the jungle jet ! Erj170

9252fly · Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:41 pm

CANABUS and Cannibis; so Canadian!

TropicalSky · Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:03 pm

#6 to be delivered today
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9931

clipperlondon · Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:59 pm

reltney wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Congrats to DL. I hope they perform a top off order as well as other US orders.

As to what to call it: "Minibus".

Lightsaber

Nope! It is a CANABUS.... at least it what pilots call it at our airline.

Canabus.... c100/220 or whatever it number it is the CANABUS !
Mad dog. Md 80
3 holer 727
Tritanic. L1011
Whale 747 or 4x4 or the 18 wheeler
Puppy dog 717
Diesel 8 DC-8

Scarbus. Any Airbus But I have heard 330 as the big bus
75. 757
76. 767. Few just say ER... weird. Who says I fly the Extended Range..... well some do...
767-400 is the 2x4
350 is the trash panda
737 is always a guppy.....

There is more......just can’t remember...

However thank goodness CANABUS stuck! There is even a few good stickers out there in the pilot ops area I’ll try and post...

Cheers

A318/9 = Babybus
757= Daddy long legs or Flying Pencil

EMB170 · Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:15 pm

That's a better nickname for the 757 than I would use...

Though I always thought "flying pencil" was reserved for the EMB145...

evank516 · Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:39 pm

Does anyone know when we will see more A220 route announcements out of LGA?

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