INFINITI329 wrote:747Whale wrote:Do airlines cut corners? Yes, unquestionably. If you work for an airline and you don't believe it, you're blind. Probably deaf, and dumb, too. Whether it's mechanics falsifying a work card and applying incorrect grease to a stabilizer trim jack screw, applying incorrect rigging to a Beech 1900, to placing hazardous unsecured "COMAT" oxygen generators in the lower cargo of a passenger operation. Yes, they do. Occasionally they get caught.
If airlines were not cutting corners the FAA fine coffers would be empty. Since 2000 the big four (AA, DL, UA & WN) paid a total of 137.5 million in safety violation fines.... 747Whale very informative post in its entirety.bob75013 wrote:QXorVX wrote:Do the recent incidents at Southwest not at least support this a little? When you look at which airlines are fined for MX issues it seems like WN is frequently on that list. Not to mention a couple high profile (one of which was deadly) engine issues in the last couple years. I'm happy everyone is such a fan of Southwest, but some of your trust may be displaced.
No it does not.
Oh please show us your "list" of which airlines received mx fines so we can determine whether WN is on the "list" more frequently.
A quick web search shows plenty of articles about AA . UA, Dl and other airlines receiving fines -- Southwest too.
Here some data. Interpret the data to formulate your own opinion. From what I see since 2000 WN is the 2nd most fined (by dollar amount) airline and last in incidents both for safety violations
WN : https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst. ... t-airlines
DL: https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst. ... -air-lines
UA: https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst. ... ontinental
AA: https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst. ... n-airlines
That is, at first glance, some fascinating information.
It is interesting to consider the correlation between the quantity of "aviation safety" violations, and the total dollar value.
Could we, from that data, conclude that Southwest was being singled out for larger penalties than the other carriers because it is less politically influential (or perhaps, some other reason)? Maybe.
From the same data, could we conclude that Southwest was find more because, while it had fewer events a violation, they were a greater severity? Maybe.
All good food for thought.
What we do know, however, is that no airline has come close to Southwest's volume of operations with anything remotely approaching Southwest's record of safety. Again, you cannot dodge the inevitability of loss that accompanies unsafe practices.
As for the original question, again, I think we can safely say that the principal problem is an unresolved union contract and, while I don't believe is anything unsafe about the airline, I prefer they get that issue resolved because, in the long term, it is unlikely to improve morale. And that, also, cannot be good for business.