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The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:28 am

I saw on Twitter that Flair Airlines is making an announcement February 13th from Edmonton. Stating the new Flair is coming on that date. Rebranding and routes?

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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:40 am

Kind of like BA 100 and Qatar Airways' hype; ambiguous announcements that could mean anything.

Or it could be like UA's "historic" announcement and be a total letdown.
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:55 am

A rebrand to Flairlines is the only acceptable "relaunch" IMO.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:15 am

New name...… U CAN Fly lol
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:19 am

Was "Fail Airlines" already taken?
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:38 am

Canadians complain that the WS/AC duoploly has them over a barrel, and that flying in Canada is too expensive. Then, when ULCC options actually appear, all we seem to do is mock them and complain about them.

Personally, I dream about having a Ryanair or an EasyJet in Canada. Sometimes, I want/need what AC/WS have to offer, but sometimes I would be perfectly well-served by a ULCC. I want options! I wish Flair all the best.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:54 am

If ric flair isn’t an investor I’ll be mad. Sorry I had to!!!!! Woooo
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:36 pm

aerolimani wrote:
Canadians complain that the WS/AC duoploly has them over a barrel, and that flying in Canada is too expensive. Then, when ULCC options actually appear, all we seem to do is mock them and complain about them.

Personally, I dream about having a Ryanair or an EasyJet in Canada. Sometimes, I want/need what AC/WS have to offer, but sometimes I would be perfectly well-served by a ULCC. I want options! I wish Flair all the best.


I have to agree. This company has been part of western Canada aviation for a few years and I believe they took over a poor operation from New Leaf in 2017 and have done fairly well at improving customer service and issues that plaged them before. Canadian seem to be forgetting that Swoop by Westjet and lower fairs will disappear with the no Flair. Flair hopefullly focuses on building their core business which is a great product, not focusing on routes such as YWG-MIA
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:02 am

Doesn't appear they are doing so well in turning around their customer service experience. Apart from their fleet issues, a huge impact is the limitations of their I.T. system. If you read some of the reviews, there is a clear disconnect, lack of I.T infrastructure and/or funding that is needed for an airline this diverse. Also, based on reviews and news articles, their ground handler (mostly Global Aviation) is providing less than stellar service to the passengers.

"Do not fly this airline" "It was a disaster" "would have been faster to drive"

https://www.airlinequality.com/airline-reviews/flair-airlines/

Flair Air passengers returning to Winnipeg from Orlando faced 20-hour delay, several hours on tarmac
https://globalnews.ca/news/4940946/flair-air-passengers-returning-to-winnipeg-from-orlando-faced-20-hour-delay-several-hours-on-tarmac/

Flair Airlines apologizing after calling RCMP on passengers
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/flair-airlines-apologizing-after-calling-rcmp-on-passengers-1.4190265

Since 2017, they have:

1. Rebranded from New Leaf to Flair (old branding)
2. Forced to change their website domain due to the poor handling of their initial IT contract and subsequent conflict with the company (2 different court cases are currently ongoing)
3. Rebranded Flair to their current logo and livery (managing 1 B734 in the new livery to date)

I can only imagine what this new round of branding will bring, other than more money spent which they seemingly cannot afford.
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:23 am

CFWAD wrote:
Doesn't appear they are doing so well in turning around their customer service experience. Apart from their fleet issues, a huge impact is the limitations of their I.T. system. If you read some of the reviews, there is a clear disconnect, lack of I.T infrastructure and/or funding that is needed for an airline this diverse. Also, based on reviews and news articles, their ground handler (mostly Global Aviation) is providing less than stellar service to the passengers.

"Do not fly this airline" "It was a disaster" "would have been faster to drive"

https://www.airlinequality.com/airline-reviews/flair-airlines/

Flair Air passengers returning to Winnipeg from Orlando faced 20-hour delay, several hours on tarmac
https://globalnews.ca/news/4940946/flair-air-passengers-returning-to-winnipeg-from-orlando-faced-20-hour-delay-several-hours-on-tarmac/

Flair Airlines apologizing after calling RCMP on passengers
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/flair-airlines-apologizing-after-calling-rcmp-on-passengers-1.4190265

Since 2017, they have:

1. Rebranded from New Leaf to Flair (old branding)
2. Forced to change their website domain due to the poor handling of their initial IT contract and subsequent conflict with the company (2 different court cases are currently ongoing)
3. Rebranded Flair to their current logo and livery (managing 1 B734 in the new livery to date)

I can only imagine what this new round of branding will bring, other than more money spent which they seemingly cannot afford.


A new livery based on snow globes? :stirthepot:
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:42 am

Awful new green livery!
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:48 am

CFWAD wrote:
Doesn't appear they are doing so well in turning around their customer service experience. Apart from their fleet issues, a huge impact is the limitations of their I.T. system. If you read some of the reviews, there is a clear disconnect, lack of I.T infrastructure and/or funding that is needed for an airline this diverse. Also, based on reviews and news articles, their ground handler (mostly Global Aviation) is providing less than stellar service to the passengers.

"Do not fly this airline" "It was a disaster" "would have been faster to drive"

https://www.airlinequality.com/airline-reviews/flair-airlines/

Flair Air passengers returning to Winnipeg from Orlando faced 20-hour delay, several hours on tarmac
https://globalnews.ca/news/4940946/flair-air-passengers-returning-to-winnipeg-from-orlando-faced-20-hour-delay-several-hours-on-tarmac/

Flair Airlines apologizing after calling RCMP on passengers
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/flair-airlines-apologizing-after-calling-rcmp-on-passengers-1.4190265

Since 2017, they have:

1. Rebranded from New Leaf to Flair (old branding)
2. Forced to change their website domain due to the poor handling of their initial IT contract and subsequent conflict with the company (2 different court cases are currently ongoing)
3. Rebranded Flair to their current logo and livery (managing 1 B734 in the new livery to date)

I can only imagine what this new round of branding will bring, other than more money spent which they seemingly cannot afford.



I have flown flair several times. Nothing but great service. Very helpful staff. Most people are ok with the service. It's not supposed to be CX first class and that's just fine for a cheap ticket.
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:52 am

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Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:36 pm

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Need more flair!

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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:43 pm

Am glad this airline is keeping up in a monotonuous classic duopoly market. The Canadian scene deserves more products and more choices.
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:04 pm

I took a quick look at their website. There is no schedule available but by trying to book various flights it looks like they are operational but spread really thin. Lots of routes with low frequencies (2 to 4 flights/week). Not a lot of flexibility in their flight options for sure. Very strange business plan. I didn't look at prices but it looks like a financial tightrope. The problem with Flair is that if you book say YWG-MIA that the airline might go belly up before your next flight arrives a week later. I for one would not take the risk.
I do admire them for trying and we all know that airfares in Canada are high (taxes a big part) but man oh man there are red flags all over the place.
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:10 pm

As an aside I find in general that the Canadian economy is too small to encourage the type of competition that Southwest/Ryanair and so on provide in other, larger economies. There are simply not the economies of scale to allow it. This is true in the financial and media/telco sectors and many others as well. On top of that the taxes/fees imposed on domestic flying make it even harder to compete on pricing. Sad but true.
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:58 pm

I'm due to fly them today for the first time. As a European who loves taking cheap EastJet, Ryanair and Wizz Air flights i cannot wait to see how these guys compare
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:12 pm

Does this airline intend to fly to French speaking destinations? Flair means “sense of smell” (for dogs) in French. Just saying...
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:29 pm

ro1960 wrote:
Does this airline intend to fly to French speaking destinations? Flair means “sense of smell” (for dogs) in French. Just saying...

Domestic flying from Quebec to the ROC (rest of Canada) is a relatively small market. I really doubt whether they'd bother especially since they have so many other issues to address.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:43 pm

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Awful new green livery!


Correct. Silver topsides with black "Flair." titles, black tail with white "Flair." titles and a day-glo green belly. Probably going to have their first 737-800 painted in that livery on display on the 13th. C-FFLA ex Air China / ex-Primera built in 2010.
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:49 pm

A new livery and branding is not going to solve any of their problems. Yes, it gives them some positive(?) publicity for a few days and perhaps the perception of a fresh new airline. Unfortunately, the little $$ they have needs to be spent on maturing their markets instead of throwing darts on the map; and seriously investing in their booking systems and airport operations/customer service.

With the early December threat of a FA strike most likely hitting their holiday revenues, an entire HQ move from YLW to YEG (and corresponding higher wages), training and infrastructure costs associated with implementing the 737NG, the fact we are now in a slow shoulder season (domestically) and that at least some of their U.S. destinations are not performing as expected ( some YWG-LAS/AZA have been flying via YEG), the move from YHM to the much higher cost YYZ.... I could go on and on.

All of this just makes me think back to the spring of 2005. I would hardly be surprised that if the bookings for either spring break or early summer look grim, you see some pull back in service or worst case - a shutdown. The President is on the record stating they lost millions last summer, I can't imagine how much they lost this winter.
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:02 pm

Should have called it Flair-lines from the get go
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Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:17 am

CFWAD wrote:
Since 2017, they have:

1. Rebranded from New Leaf to Flair (old branding)
2. Forced to change their website domain due to the poor handling of their initial IT contract and subsequent conflict with the company (2 different court cases are currently ongoing)
3. Rebranded Flair to their current logo and livery (managing 1 B734 in the new livery to date)

I can only imagine what this new round of branding will bring, other than more money spent which they seemingly cannot afford.


1. Flair existed before NewLeaf did and Flair operated flights for NewLeaf; so, it would be more accurate to state that NewLeaf was folded into Flair after Flair bought NewLeaf. NewLeaf changed "branding" but Flair didn't.
2. Definite sloppiness there.
3. Passengers that fly Flair don't really care about their logo or livery - price is it.
 
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Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:05 am

I’ve heard rumblings that part of this announcement will include the addition of 3 destinations in Ontario. YOW (at last) seems like a given. As for the other two, it’ll no doubt be between YKF, YQT, YQG and YSB, or just maybe a return to YHM? I can’t see them copying Swoop and jumping into YXU.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:19 pm

I just got an email from Flair entitled "we look a lil' different (smiley)." It is mostly touting a new look in black white and green . The beauty is that most of the links don't work (yet?). Instead of flairair.com they point to flyflair.com So either the marketing folk got flairair confused with flyswoop or they are changing domains but haven't turned on the new one in time. Premature emailization?
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:52 pm

smallmj wrote:
I just got an email from Flair entitled "we look a lil' different (smiley)." It is mostly touting a new look in black white and green . The beauty is that most of the links don't work (yet?). Instead of flairair.com they point to flyflair.com So either the marketing folk got flairair confused with flyswoop or they are changing domains but haven't turned on the new one in time. Premature emailization?


New website is working for me. You need to use .ca. The new livery I think looks really good. You can see the aircraft towards the end of the embedded video on the homepage: https://flairair.ca/?utm_source=Google& ... Brand-GS&P

No word yet on any news about new routes. Perhaps that will come later in the day.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:00 pm

They've updated now so that flyflair.com redirects to flairair.ca But when I first got the email I clicked on some links and got 404 Site Not Configured.

update: Just got an updated email that took the www off the front.

Perhaps flair contracted out their IT to Air Canada. Their IT department is a long running joke.
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:04 pm

The green doesn’t look bad on the website, but it seems kind of out of place on the livery.
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:08 pm

Would there be enough demand to fly some new routes to Chicago or would American or United react to it?
 
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Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:24 pm

Wow... those LCC kinds of liveries are usually not my cup of tea, but this one looks so amazing. Very unique with a lot of style. Well done flair.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:35 pm

The livery looks like they left painter's tape on the entire bottom of the aircraft.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:38 pm

Would have looked better without the green engines and belly...but better than the current livery!
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:46 pm

I think it would have looked a lot better without the black nose. Just my 2¢
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:00 pm

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I think it would have looked a lot better without the black nose. Just my 2¢


Ha! Agreed.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:15 pm

It's bold and fresh and says LCC very loudly, not bad. I think it will create more recall than the previous mess, looks somewhat European with a hint of S7.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:45 pm

9lflyguy wrote:
I think it would have looked a lot better without the black nose. Just my 2¢


I like the black nose, but more importantly for flair, it is their logo when viewed from the front and makes the aircraft very distinctive compared to everything else rolling by.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:48 pm

Sort of reminds me of the old British airline, "Go-Fly".

I don't understand what the dot represents? Their marketing video does little to explain why they've chosen the colors and brand that they did. They just repeat they are starting over (again) and focusing on customer service and repeat customers (again).

I appreciate their NGs coming online would need paint anyways, so now is an opportunistic time to accomplish a brand refresh. That said, it's the 3rd brand refresh in 3 years - which cannot come cheap. And their real focus needs to be on operations, both airport operations and customer service.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:07 pm

Really like it. Flair certainly does like to be different.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:47 pm

CFWAD wrote:
Sort of reminds me of the old British airline, "Go-Fly".

I don't understand what the dot represents? Their marketing video does little to explain why they've chosen the colors and brand that they did. They just repeat they are starting over (again) and focusing on customer service and repeat customers (again).

I appreciate their NGs coming online would need paint anyways, so now is an opportunistic time to accomplish a brand refresh. That said, it's the 3rd brand refresh in 3 years - which cannot come cheap. And their real focus needs to be on operations, both airport operations and customer service.


Well didn't they only repaint 1 aircraft into v2 of their livery and only 1 partial repaint when they were a contractor to New Leaf? This branding they're now going with definitely hits the mark in terms of boldly saying 'we're an ULCC". Looks better than WS!
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:55 pm

All I could think of....

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Really need to see some better views of it though before I pass judgement.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:07 pm

nevermind, removed source already
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:12 pm

The color scheme reminds me of mint chocolate chip ice cream.

I still haven't decided whether or not that's a good thing.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:13 pm

Anyone know what the Reg is on the aircraft in the video?
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:55 pm

ywgspotting wrote:
Anyone know what the Reg is on the aircraft in the video?


Seems to be C-FFLA

Which makes sense, it's the next 800 ex-Primera
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:18 pm

They are showing quite a bit of 'spirit' with their brand refresh....
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:14 pm

I still can't get over their fares, they're not priced like an LCC at all. Every time I've flown domestic in the last year I've always looked at Flair and I've never found any deals. I always end up going with WS or AC because they have consistently been cheaper and better timed. I just ran a quick check for the entire first week of March one-way only from YYZ-YWG. Every day Flair is consistently $30-60 more expensive than every single Air Canada & Westjet flight during the entire day. With minimal frequency and priced higher than AC/WS, why would anyone choose to fly them? I have no idea what their load factors are, or if they are making money, but 3 brand refreshes in 3 years doesn't seem stable to me.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:29 pm

Nice green. Go see if you can make any of it.

Not the first time a troubled carrier switched paint jobs before going under. Hope for them it’s more than lipstick on a pig.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:29 pm

IMHO its gets folks talking about them. That is what they want.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:57 pm

It looks very LCCy. On point methinks.
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