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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 11:35 am

JannEejit wrote:

No, I think we're seeing the effects of the same flights being offered at EDI for £100 or so less than can be offered at GLA. Quite why that disparity exists is anyone's guess of course and we have all speculated already.


What flights are you talking about here.. ive never heard any mention of there being a disparity here? I've just been pricing up flights to Krakov for the end of the summer, and Lufthansa from Glasgow is coming up as one of the cheapest option, often cheaper than Ryanair direct from Edinburgh!

Is there any reason for EDI to hang onto it's freight services for example when the freight itself is rarely specific to Edinburgh and a considerable amount travels by road from other areas of Scotland ?

Most freight flights operate in the evening or at night, so I'm not sure how this helps with capacity. Besides, the main limiting factor at the moment is terminal capacity, followed by stands, but there is plenty of room for new stands if needed.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 11:44 am

I am sure we have been hearing all these myths as to why EDI can keep flights that GLA can't for years. Truth is, EDI has a more balanced inbound and outbound market than GLA.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 12:20 pm

Do we have a source for the reduction in LH flights?

What a shame for GLA if this is the case.

I find it strange that for such a large population catchment area there hasn't actually been more expansion, instead of a reduction in destinations and flights at GLA over the last year or so.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 8:34 pm

The source is Lufthansa. Check their schedules/timetable.
Its swings and roundabouts, airports go through periods of years of growths then down, management changes and up again. Not all airports can offer subsidised incentives. For a declining population and two neighbouring airports within 50 miles, GLA in this climate and politics is not doing horrifically
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 9:57 pm

by738 wrote:
The source is Lufthansa. Check their schedules/timetable.
Its swings and roundabouts, airports go through periods of years of growths then down, management changes and up again. Not all airports can offer subsidised incentives. For a declining population and two neighbouring airports within 50 miles, GLA in this climate and politics is not doing horrifically


Is PIK even worthy of being considered a competitor these days? Isn’t it just a handful of flights a week?

FWIW growth will slow at EDI too over the next few months.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:50 pm

GLA got the 777 tonight, is this back to normal 777 ops (I did read somewhere the initial A380 service was for a short period) or is this just a one off because of aircraft / crew / ops?

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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:22 pm

[quote="sandyb123"]GLA got the 777 tonight, is this back to normal 777 ops (I did read somewhere the initial A380 service was for a short period) or is this just a one off because of aircraft / crew / ops?

Sandyb123[/quote

Emirates is back to 2 flights a day, A380 early flight, B777 evening flight.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:26 pm

sandyb123 wrote:
GLA got the 777 tonight, is this back to normal 777 ops (I did read somewhere the initial A380 service was for a short period) or is this just a one off because of aircraft / crew / ops?

Sandyb123

EK27/28 = A380
EK25/26 = 777

The A380 will continue throughout the summer schedule and return for next season, late March 2020.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:06 am

JannEejit wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:
GLA got the 777 tonight, is this back to normal 777 ops (I did read somewhere the initial A380 service was for a short period) or is this just a one off because of aircraft / crew / ops?

Sandyb123

EK27/28 = A380
EK25/26 = 777

The A380 will continue throughout the summer schedule and return for next season, late March 2020.


That is a good news for GLA. Just check their schedule in April 2020, A380 is back on EK27/28 again.

CAA released data for April 2019 and GLA continue with the drop in passenger numbers.

April 2019 (April 2018)
692,185 (798,259)

Jan-Apr 2019 (Jan-Apr 2018)
2,399,552 (2,610,549)
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:06 pm

I don't see a particularly bright future for the airport. Whether that be improved transport links or additional service, or even just maintaining certain ones. The airport is now close to being on a par with EMA, LBA, NCL, LPL. Its going to end up much the same as those airports with some added London service in comparison to those. Secondary status. The tram/trainline is dead at this point and political focus is on EDI and propping up PIK.

Emirates is going to go the exact same way as the TATL airlines did. Their focus moved East. As far as TATL legacies it'll be down to seasonal service to NYC/Toronto at best. Theres enough appetite for the charters to Florida/Caribbean so I think they will be safe.

Only growth I really see is Loganair picking up the scraps of what gets abandoned by the other airlines and perhaps Ryanair moving the PIK aircraft and routes. I'm painting a bleak picture, but I'm just being honest. I've lived slightly east of the city in the Lanarkshire suburbs all my life and whilst GLA is significantly closer miles wise I often see myself choosing EDI because of the rush hour hassle and kingston bridge bottle neck which can make the journey somehow longer despite it being less than half the distance to EDI and I know I'm not alone.

The amount of route cuts in the last year or two have been staggering. Ryanair cut nearly everything. Wizz have cut most routes. AF CDG lasted 5 minutes again and LH is going to end up the same way after another failed attempt. Also been other random cuts such as PHL, EWR going seasonal, EZY cutting MLA, BE CWL etc.

In saying that, its not just GLA that I think things look bleak for. ABZ is struggling because of the oil industry and I can eventually see INV even overtaking as its a gateway to the Highlands and Islands and even much of the oil and gas that remains has shifted west to the Highlands and Islands.

Growth is slow overall in the city. Edinburgh will eventually overtake the city proper in population, and the city has struggled because of its huge suburbs where the majority of the wealth is. Its much more like Baltimore or Cleveland than it is Copenhagen or Stockholm. Too many social issues and inability to bounce back from industrial decline. Its all part of the bigger picture.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:39 pm

If the original train link was built all those years ago before the SNP decided it wanted to improve EDI over GLA then I suspect the numbers would be a lot better.

Glasgow could do with a rebuild of the terminal but that's not going to happen any time soon.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:57 am

jomur wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:
GLA got the 777 tonight, is this back to normal 777 ops (I did read somewhere the initial A380 service was for a short period) or is this just a one off because of aircraft / crew / ops?

Sandyb123[/quote

Emirates is back to 2 flights a day, A380 early flight, B777 evening flight.


Ahh, thanks. I didn’t appreciate it had gone back to twice daily. I have a flight alert on FR24 but it’s only for the evening rotation I now realise!

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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:25 am

jomur wrote:
If the original train link was built all those years ago before the SNP decided it wanted to improve EDI over GLA then I suspect the numbers would be a lot better.

Glasgow could do with a rebuild of the terminal but that's not going to happen any time soon.


The SNP has nothing to do with improving EDI, I suspect it's all came about since BAA decided to sell EDI and thus allowd EDI to finally be competitive in the market. GLA management have been far too slow to react to this
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:05 am

gkirk wrote:
jomur wrote:
If the original train link was built all those years ago before the SNP decided it wanted to improve EDI over GLA then I suspect the numbers would be a lot better.

Glasgow could do with a rebuild of the terminal but that's not going to happen any time soon.


The SNP has nothing to do with improving EDI, I suspect it's all came about since BAA decided to sell EDI and thus allowd EDI to finally be competitive in the market. GLA management have been far too slow to react to this


Let’s not forget that GLA has a catchment double EDIs. But it is mostly budget leisure which is notoriously hard to build profit from.

I must admit the reception I got at GLA last Sunday was less than welcoming. Don’t park there, don’t take that trolley, a very dated physical environment. Just getting to the airport terminal is a maze.

EDI has its problems but it is a very successful business and generally quite a nice place to be.

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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:14 pm

Routes Online reporting increase in GLA-MCO with VS. The longest season since the service started into January 2020 before starting again in April. Winter ops with an A330 once weekly.
Can't be too far off a year round service as they obviously see forward booking and know of local demand.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:41 pm

by738 wrote:
Routes Online reporting increase in GLA-MCO with VS. The longest season since the service started into January 2020 before starting again in April. Winter ops with an A330 once weekly.
Can't be too far off a year round service as they obviously see forward booking and know of local demand.


Was reported a few months ago, it's really only until December as the last outbound is on the 28th Dec and last return on 4th Jan. Intererestingly last year the season was March to November. Still good news nonetheless.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:55 pm

by738 wrote:
Routes Online reporting increase in GLA-MCO with VS. The longest season since the service started into January 2020 before starting again in April. Winter ops with an A330 once weekly.
Can't be too far off a year round service as they obviously see forward booking and know of local demand.

VS can also add in 'feed' via GLA and Connect Airways now - Even if just from BHX and EMA - IIRC all the other flybe destinations going forward ex-GLA have connecting service to VS at LHR (NQY) or MAN (BHD/EXT/NQY/SOU).
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:50 pm

Bhoy wrote:
by738 wrote:
Routes Online reporting increase in GLA-MCO with VS. The longest season since the service started into January 2020 before starting again in April. Winter ops with an A330 once weekly.
Can't be too far off a year round service as they obviously see forward booking and know of local demand.

VS can also add in 'feed' via GLA and Connect Airways now - Even if just from BHX and EMA - IIRC all the other flybe destinations going forward ex-GLA have connecting service to VS at LHR (NQY) or MAN (BHD/EXT/NQY/SOU).


VS already codeshare with BE on flights to GLA from BHD, BHX, EMA, EXT and SOU.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:14 pm

Extra based aircraft for easyJet plus new BHX route from March 2020: https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... ham-route/

Additional routes to follow.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:58 pm

Thats good. Didn't see BHX coming, but should do well.
Hopefully more to come from the original route EZY home!
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:50 pm

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Thats good. Didn't see BHX coming, but should do well.
Hopefully more to come from the original route EZY home!


To be fair rumours of more BHX flights have been doing the rounds recently due to Flybe giving up 5 Amsterdam and 3 CDG slot pairs as part of the Virgin Connect deal. However Glasgow has come out f left field as it was taken for granted if there was to be any competition on Flybe Scottish routes it would be Edinburgh.

There is definitely traffic using the train to had by easyjet let alone taking some of the Flybe customers.

Last minute fares at certain times on Glasgow and Edinburgh for that matter would encourage more train use and although this route is not a dead-cert it stands a chance.

I am part of a BHX forum which went post crazy at this news and lets hope for both airports it works out.

Some figures to show (I think) that easyjet know what they are doing

Source: CAA 2018 Passengers 233965 up 5% with the number of sectors 4034 which equates to an average of 58 pax per flight at 74% based on the 78 seat Dash 8.

2019 thus far:

January 16576 pax 306 rotations 54 per flight load factor 69%
February 17346 pax 297 rotations 58 per flight loaf factor 75%
March 19636 pax 339 rotations 58 per flight load factor 74%
April 19374 pax 332 rotations 58 per flight load factor 75%
May 20961 pax 349 rotations 60 per flight load factor 77%
June 20929 pax estimated 65 per flight load factor 83% * due to multiple cancellations due crew shortages and tech aircraft

Good rechecking my figures now that the first 5 months punctuality stats have been published by the CAA - I was spot on in January and May but load factors slightly over estimated the other months.

I try to monitor fares with the base around £70 and last minute return fares can be around £350 so you can see where easyjet are coming from.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:36 pm

Today EK28 to DXB has been delayed to 23:35 from its original scheduled time of 14:35. That is a long wait and hope EK take a good care of all passengers, at least give them hotel rooms next the airport. Anyone knows what happened?
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:00 pm

xijiayu wrote:
Today EK28 to DXB has been delayed to 23:35 from its original scheduled time of 14:35. That is a long wait and hope EK take a good care of all passengers, at least give them hotel rooms next the airport. Anyone knows what happened?


Apparantly an issue with Engine No4 so a part being flown in via MAN
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:09 pm

Loganair launched Glasgow - Cardiff flights

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glas ... r-16885852
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:09 pm

Glasgow Airport voted best in Scotland by passengers

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glas ... s-16885497
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:17 pm

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Glasgow Airport voted best in Scotland by passengers

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glas ... s-16885497


Although oddly enough it's business sister ABZ is voted least loved in Scotland.
 
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Re: Glasgow Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:32 pm

Fire crews called as Air Transat plane lands at Glasgow Airport

The flight took off for Toronto but had to make a u-turn and head back to Glasgow.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glas ... e-16901501

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