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Boeing 777-300ER Freighter

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:51 am
by KICT
Interestingly, there is a 777-300ER for sale on ExecutiveController with the "option" to convert into VIP or freighter config.
Is this even possible? Link: https://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/1384821/2007-boeing-777-300er

Re: Boeing 777-300ER Freighter

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:51 pm
by sixfootscream
It would be a huge freighter and simply too big for many cargo companies out there. The 777F is definitely performing well and the airlines are loving it!

Re: Boeing 777-300ER Freighter

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:57 pm
by Spacepope
Bedek did work on an older 772 (I want to say ex-MH) at TLV to figure out how to do a conversion that didn't cost $100 million. Supposedly it was a success according to them, however the aircraft was scrapped. Bedek claims they had a launch customer a year ago however: 1) the converted aircraft never flew 2) the conversion is not certified and 3) there is no feedstock in conversion.

So as for now the p2f program for any 777 is vaporware.

Re: Boeing 777-300ER Freighter

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:59 pm
by Newbiepilot
I think it is possible, but as far as I know there hasn’t been a freighter conversion program launched for the 777 yet.

A decade ago, few would have wanted a 777-300ER freighter since its payload to volume isn’t typical for a freighter. It has more volume than necessary for traditional freight like electronics, pharmaceuticals, produce, flowers, etc. However the rise of prepackaged freight from Amazon changes the equation. Amazon boxes have a lot of lightweight packaging which requires more volume to transport.

Re: Boeing 777-300ER Freighter

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:11 pm
by TC957
I'm surprised there isn't anyone out there doing a 77W pax to cargo conversion programme. Volume is what past threads have said was what was needed over payload / range capabilities. And now we will soon have more 77W frames coming out of airline service.

Re: Boeing 777-300ER Freighter

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:12 pm
by 2175301
Spacepope wrote:
Bedek did work on an older 772 (I want to say ex-MH) at TLV to figure out how to do a conversion that didn't cost $100 million. Supposedly it was a success according to them, however the aircraft was scrapped. Bedek claims they had a launch customer a year ago however: 1) the converted aircraft never flew 2) the conversion is not certified and 3) there is no feedstock in conversion.

So as for now the p2f program for any 777 is vaporware.


I understand that another company also worked on a 777 p2f conversion package; but, like Bedek has never sold a conversion.

The base problem is that the 777 passenger aircraft are built with composite floor support beams to save weight and lower fuel consumption. Passengers are light compared to freight. The 777 Freighter is build with metal floor support beams and a beefier floor itself which can handle the weight of freight (also has other freighter friendly features built in).

A p2f conversion of a 777 requires the replacement of the floor support beams (change from composite to metal) and new floor in addition to adding a freight door and other features. The flooring changes are structurally significant and costly.... I am doubtful that there will ever be many - if any - actual 777 p2f conversions. It's way more expensive than other p2f programs.

I understand that Boeing has projected a robust future for the 777F, and intends to keep producing the current 777F even after they are producing the 777X passenger aircraft. It is possible that one of the 777X aircraft will be new built as a freighter in the future. I suspect we will see the 787F offered first...(I know that Boeing has that on the drawing board and planned for a 787F version up front).

Have a great day,