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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:17 am

Pretty good outcome all things considered.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:20 am

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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:21 am

Excellent outcome for Airbus. Deep down its hard though.
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:22 am

I wonder how many older-build A380s will leave the Emirates fleet by 2021. I'm happy for the A330neo.
 
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:26 am

It's a win-win for Airbus. Clears the decks for the changing of the guard nicely.
 
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:30 am

It is official now: Airbus to end A380 production in 2021
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... re-455756/
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:34 am

That's really sad. I suppose it was inevitable. Interesting that they chose A350-900s instead of 1000s knowing Emirates love for big planes.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:48 am

Airbus earnings call is at 1:45AM EST. Wonder if I want to listen in and hear the words that end the 380.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:48 am

Choose is maybe the wrong word. They had to pick the least useless Airbus offerings to compensate for the A380 cancellation. They wanted the 787 as can be seen by the MOU. That they took the 900 makes sense, because they will probably top off on the 777-9s to compensate Boeing for the 787 MOU.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:55 am

seahawk wrote:
Choose is maybe the wrong word. They had to pick the least useless Airbus offerings to compensate for the A380 cancellation. They wanted the 787 as can be seen by the MOU. That they took the 900 makes sense, because they will probably top off on the 777-9s to compensate Boeing for the 787 MOU.


If the aircraft really didn't fit, EK wouldn't have ordered them. The A359 is hardly a poor fit for their needs, especially if we believe rumours that EK still had some reservations about the 78X's performance. And also: if they really wanted the 78X then surely the order would have been firm?
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:59 am

seahawk wrote:
Choose is maybe the wrong word. They had to pick the least useless Airbus offerings to compensate for the A380 cancellation. They wanted the 787 as can be seen by the MOU. That they took the 900 makes sense, because they will probably top off on the 777-9s to compensate Boeing for the 787 MOU.

Wow one of the largest customer of Airbus “had to choose” I doub’t it. Also when EK cancels or modifies an order with Airbus its because “ Boeing had a better offering” when its the other way they had to. EK 787 was an MOU a customer with EK’s clout can modify Orders let alone MOU’s easy.
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:03 am

Finally the sad news has come. The A380 will end in 2021 and the airline orders A330neo/A350 jets according it's Twitter page. 14 more is delivered until 2021.

https://twitter.com/emirates/status/1095913265559932929
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:04 am

seahawk wrote:
they will probably top off on the 777-9s to compensate Boeing for the 787 MOU.

I am not sure if they need to pay any compensation if an MoU lapses....

If they do order more 779s, it would be more for restoring capacity lost from the retirement of the A380s. But they did a review and came to the conclusion that they don't need the capacity anymore, hence the A380 cancellation.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:07 am

How does the number of production years of the A380 compare to other aircraft? When you look through the list it seems relatively short.

A300
A310
A318/319/320/321
A330
A340
A350

B707
B727
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B757
B767
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B787


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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:11 am

MrHMSH wrote:
seahawk wrote:
Choose is maybe the wrong word. They had to pick the least useless Airbus offerings to compensate for the A380 cancellation. They wanted the 787 as can be seen by the MOU. That they took the 900 makes sense, because they will probably top off on the 777-9s to compensate Boeing for the 787 MOU.


If the aircraft really didn't fit, EK wouldn't have ordered them. The A359 is hardly a poor fit for their needs, especially if we believe rumours that EK still had some reservations about the 78X's performance. And also: if they really wanted the 78X then surely the order would have been firm?


Well considering they signed the MOU for the 787s at the same time as the MOU for 20+16 A380, it is likely that they were connected in their fleet planning.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:12 am

The A380 was the one aircraft which emulated the experience of flying at the start of the widebody era with its wide seats and aisles on the main deck. Emirates audance of food added to the nostalgic vibe.

Qantas’s mini economy cabin on the upper deck was similar to flying in the 747-200 bubble.

Finally, the spilt ailerons reminded me of the wingtips feathers I see on sea eagles soaring in tne air currents over my local beach.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:15 am

-They are taking 14 remaining A388.
-40x 339 (1:1 the same as 78X MoU)
-30x A359

How long until we see some sort of Boeing press release about the 78X and 779?
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:16 am

Congratulations Airbus, you finally acknowledged reality and the tenuous business case.

You took quite a gamble with a vision in what you felt future air travel would need, but market realities have favored smaller aircraft and a fragmented network versus a concentration of VLA routes.
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:18 am

GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
They are taking 14 remaining A388.
40x 339 (1:1 the same as 78X MoU)
30x A359

How long until we some sort of Boeing press release about the 78X and 779?


I'm sure Boeing won't have any trouble giving those 787 and 779 slots to someone else.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:19 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
They are taking 14 remaining A388.
40x 339 (1:1 the same as 78X MoU)
30x A359

How long until we some sort of Boeing press release about the 78X and 779?


I'm sure Boeing won't have any trouble giving those 787 and 779 slots to someone else.


What? I expect an increase in their 779 order. A big one.
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:22 am

GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
They are taking 14 remaining A388.
40x 339 (1:1 the same as 78X MoU)
30x A359

How long until we some sort of Boeing press release about the 78X and 779?


I'm sure Boeing won't have any trouble giving those 787 and 779 slots to someone else.


What? I expect an increase in their 779 order. A big one.


I thought they were taking the A359 in lieu of the 779 and A339 in lieu of the 78X?
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:23 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
They are taking 14 remaining A388.
40x 339 (1:1 the same as 78X MoU)
30x A359

How long until we some sort of Boeing press release about the 78X and 779?


I'm sure Boeing won't have any trouble giving those 787 and 779 slots to someone else.


The 78X deliveries were set to start in 2022. That’s a long ways out to predict a gleeful placement of those frames. It could very well be that a sizable drop in the backlog by then could lead to cuts in output.
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:24 am

Seriously can we just discuss the topic without the flamebait, it’s totally unnecessary
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:25 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

I'm sure Boeing won't have any trouble giving those 787 and 779 slots to someone else.


What? I expect an increase in their 779 order. A big one.


I thought they were taking the A359 in lieu of the 779 and A339 in lieu of the 78X?


I’m guessing some of the 777X deliveries will fill the gap from the end of A380 deliveries, while the A350 will fill the gap from those same 777X frames.
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:27 am

So far there has been no word from EK regarding 787-10 nor 778/9 orders. The story is still developing. And I expect we’ll hear more soon enough.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:32 am

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Seriously can we just discuss the topic without the flamebait, it’s totally unnecessary


To what are you referring?
Earnestly seeking clarification here.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:36 am

Matt6461 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Seriously can we just discuss the topic without the flamebait, it’s totally unnecessary


To what are you referring?
Earnestly seeking clarification here.


Probably deleted posts.
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:38 am

Prost wrote:
So far there has been no word from EK regarding 787-10 nor 778/9 orders. The story is still developing. And I expect we’ll hear more soon enough.


Probably, though I’m not sure what the urgency would be on EK’s part? The 787 is just an mou and any 777X topup order seems almost superfluous at this point.
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:40 am

As a passenger, this is a sad day for me, and a sad day for aviation in general. I enjoy nothing more than flying on the big whale. I look forward to many more years of doing so on QF and EK.

As a business, this is a win-win-win for EK, RR and Airbus. This is simply a much better outcome for all involved. Sad to see the A380 production cease, but the writing has been on the wall for a while. On the other hand, this is a complete validation of the A330NEO program, and now that it's on firm footing, Airbus might be able to sell more of these to other operators as well. Also, looks like third time's the charm for EK and A350.

As someone who lives in MEL, a medium-sized city, I look forward to the many direct flights that are becoming a reality with the 787 and A350.

Bring on project sunrise!
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:42 am

Positve pragmatic move. The A380 had become an albatross for Airbus.

Next albatross they need to fix is the A400 for which they are taking a EUR 436mil charge announced today, but that's for another thread.
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:43 am

Matt6461 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Seriously can we just discuss the topic without the flamebait, it’s totally unnecessary


To what are you referring?
Earnestly seeking clarification here.


I was referring to those who seek to provoke other users including name calling, that is do not refer to each other as fanboy’s as one example or others who may want to score cheap points at the expense of other users. While you may not agree with other users you are required to respect others opinions, just debate it in a constructive manner
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:43 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Matt6461 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Seriously can we just discuss the topic without the flamebait, it’s totally unnecessary


To what are you referring?
Earnestly seeking clarification here.


Probably deleted posts.


Makes sense.
I just hope "flamebait" doesn't include anything saying the A380 was and is a poorly-conceived waste of money.
That's just a simple fact by now.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:46 am

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Choose is maybe the wrong word.


No, it is NOT.

Emirates chose to pick better plane over both A380 AND 787-10, whether you like it or not. They had the choice to pay the penalties and firm up the 787-10 MOU. They chose the better deal and to go with two aircraft types from Airbus that will perfectly fit their network below 777-8 and -9.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:56 am

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seahawk wrote:
Choose is maybe the wrong word.


No, it is NOT.

Emirates chose to pick better plane over both A380 AND 787-10, whether you like it or not. They had the choice to pay the penalties and firm up the 787-10 MOU. They chose the better deal and to go with two aircraft types from Airbus that will perfectly fit their network below 777-8 and -9.


Not really no, EK likely thinks they'd get the better deal with this order shift rather than eating the penalties, but they had their chances to "pick the better plane", twice, and choose otherwise previously.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:57 am

Going back to Willie Walsh’s comments the other day. IAG and Airbus had clearly been in discussion recently is all i can say.
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:09 am

15 years ago I always thought big airplanes will rule the sky, back then I really did not understand why Boeing did not pursue a proper VLA ( proper meaning not a double floored 747 but a new aircraft), well it is good that I am not in airline business or I would certainly loose money :)

I am sad that A380 did not work, I would love to see the stretched versions of it which I think would looked better than the normal version.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:12 am

It's interesting to note that A380 deliveries at the end of the line would be on par with the L-1011

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 1s-455765/
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:12 am

A petty in my opinion lucky I have A380 flight comung up next month and in june.

Hat the 747 outlives the 380 who would have expected that.

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Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:25 am

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It's interesting to note that A380 deliveries at the end of the line would be on par with the L-1011

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 1s-455765/


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BlueSky1976 wrote:
seahawk wrote:
Choose is maybe the wrong word.


No, it is NOT.

Emirates chose to pick better plane over both A380 AND 787-10, whether you like it or not. They had the choice to pay the penalties and firm up the 787-10 MOU. They chose the better deal and to go with two aircraft types from Airbus that will perfectly fit their network below 777-8 and -9.


I would say EK adjusted their future fleet structure and this caused them to modify their existing deals. They then chose the options that gave them the best overall deal. Reducing the number of A380s and seeing the numbers shrink till 2030+, makes it unavoidable to adjust the rest of the fleet. Considering that DXB is slot constraint at peak times, less A380s have direct implications on the size of the smaller planes feeding the hub. I would even go as far as saying that yield management and growth outlook for EK were more important than the performance of the planes. It can be no coincidence that the MoUs for the 20+12 A380 and the 40 787s where signed at the time and both just as MoUs. Imho this has been under consideration for at least 3 years now.
 
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aryonoco wrote:
On the other hand, this is a complete validation of the A330NEO program, and now that it's on firm footing, Airbus might be able to sell more of these to other operators as well.


That's what I thought as well. I could well imagine that e.g. airlines like SAS and Finnair have been waiting for something like this to happen to the 330NEO, to give them confidence to replace some of the early 2000s 330CEOs. Even if in small numbers, still something like 4-8 frames each. I don't think the A350 is optimal for all of their long-haul routes.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:58 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
It's interesting to note that A380 deliveries at the end of the line would be on par with the L-1011

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 1s-455765/


And both well-regarded technically but doomed to circumstance.

The A380 was doomed from the conceptualization due to lack of marketing understanding/ego.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:10 am

This is a huge mistake on the part of Airbus.
Now they have 2 widebodies that even partially overlap, which doesn't make any sense.
Boeing will dominate the 400+ seat market.

Time to start cheering for the B748i.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:22 am

I'm wondering how this news will go down with ANA. They might have got to really love their 3 A380's and want a few more. Oh well.
 
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I'm wondering how this news will go down with ANA. They might have got to really love their 3 A380's and want a few more. Oh well.

ANA is probably happier that they got the HND slots from Skymark. Them taking the A380 is just a condition of the deal.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:24 am

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This is the stupidest move in all of aviation history. They will regret it.


I think you're overexaggerating a bit. This is far from the stupidest move in aviation history. Heck, I'd wager that Airbus developing the A380 10 years too late is a stupider move.

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Shame to the airline CEOs who listen to wall street and didn't buy the A380.


So what did you want the airlines to do, bankrupt themselves buying a plane they didn't need just so they can please random avgeeks on the Internet?

Airbus killing the program is sad, yes, but let's not get too emotional here, shall we?

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Nonsense.
Two decades before A380 EIS a poorer country flew a larger plane. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya
Technology has moral worth only insofar as it advances human welfare; the A380 was a blown opportunity to do so.
Only the most blinkered av-geek could value his subjective experience of the plane - or the experience of an oligarch in one of the Apartments - over the lost opportunity to further democratize air travel as a well-designed A380 should have done.
Due to A380's failure the airline ecosystem has been and will be dominated by smaller planes catering to the interests of a smaller, richer part of the population.


This is the possibly the stupidest thing I've read on a.net all day.

First off, do you not realise that the An-225 was designed for cargo, and has never been intended for passenger use? This comparison doesn't make sense at all.

Second, even a well-designed A380 is still too much plane for most airlines in the world.

Third, if it is true that smaller planes cater to the interests of a smaller, richer part of the population as you say, then airlines like SQ and LH should be exclusively flying 787s and A350s while airlines like DY should only use A380s and 748s on long-haul. If anything planes like the former have democratized air travel even more - had they not existed, then LHLC wouldn't have been as economically feasible as it today.
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:25 am

A truly sad day for any aviation enthusiast. The whale has a certain majesty from up close, is a technical marvel and a fantastic aircraft to fly on.
 
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Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:27 am

One has to also think of all the airport that spend millions upgrading to accommodate the a380. Seems some will never get a positive ROI in their investments.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:29 am

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I'm wondering how this news will go down with ANA. They might have got to really love their 3 A380's and want a few more. Oh well.


I'm hoping Airbus signaled All airlines (I'm looking at you BA, ANA, etc) to make a now or never move on the a380s before today's announcement.

I'd be very Surprised if any of the airlines go back to Airbus begging for a few more A380s before the end.
 
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Airbus shares up almost 6 % at the moment. As a shareholder I am happy, but as an aviation geek sad :(
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Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos