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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:23 pm

Stitch wrote:
UA444 wrote:
I still think without the A380 the 747-8 does have some future passenger orders. There are still airlines that have a use for a large plane like that.


Boeing probably couldn't build more than a handful of passenger 747-8s from their spares stock even if an airline did want them (which they do not) due to the suppliers for parts for the Intercontinental have closed up that part of their shops as the last airline delivery was almost two years ago to Korean and over a year ago to a BBJ customer.


PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
In a book I have in storage (yes, I know, I say that a lot!), there are descriptions of "possible new versions of the 747 family after the -400, including the -500X, the -600X, and -700X". Each of them were stretched versions of the -400, stretching the 747 design like it was a DC-8! Further onward below the pictures (I promise I will find my source books one day!), it said, "the stretched versions will feature all-new wing designs", and capacity increases of up to nearly 700 in all-economy, if I remember right.

When the A380 appeared, I remember thinking, "Boeing did the first concept, but either Airbus beat them to the Gargantuan-class civil aircraft OR Boeing looked at the predicted costs versus potential break-even and profit levels, and decided the numbers weren't there and ceded this market to Airbus."


I think after a decade of failed attempts at launching a larger 747 than the 747-400, Boeing just gave up on the idea. The only real reason the 747-8 made it was adopting the 787 engine technology that improved it's usability as a freighter (and yes, I am fully aware Boeing's original sales projections strongly favored the passenger model).



PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
One final question for the community: many 747's were ordered, more for their range than for capacity. Were any A380's purchased for their range rather than capacity?


I would expect not. While the A380-800's range was superlative, the Boeing 747-400ER matched it (at a lower payload) and that frame only sold six. The A340 and 777 already had sufficient range to connect most everywhere anyone wanted to fly and the A380 could not match the range of the A340-500 and 777-200LR (at a viable payload) for true C-Market / ULR routes.


Fascinating.

Fill in so many blanks!

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Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:28 pm

jworks158 wrote:
AlexA340B777 wrote:
New article from renowned German economy newspaper appeared tonight, reconfirming the decison about the 380 future is coming closer.

Article in German language only, but I suppose online translators will help:

https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehme ... iVgoHd-ap1


This article claimed that they are still pushing for BA to order a few more A380s


I know Willie Walsh has commented about price being the factor that's stopping BA from ordering more A380's. If price hasn't budged, one wonders if there's a "now or never" ultimatum from Airbus for more orders that might force their hand, partiuclarly given that BA have a need for more A380's (the third runway at LHR is at least 10 years away and decisions need to be made for the replacement of the 15 or so 747's that aren't being replaced by what's on order already). BA traditionally don't acquire second-hand widebodies and to hold out for second-hand A380's is risky given the amount that would need to be spent converting them to BA spec and hoping the condition of any aircraft coming off-lease will be acceptable, as well as whether BA will be prepared to have them with EA engines or if they must have RR engines, though stranger things have happened.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:34 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
Not bashing Airbus, but I'm just saying that the decision to end the A380 means that Airbus is being a cowardly crybaby.


Why continue to throw good money after bad?
 
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:45 pm

seahawk wrote:
The big question is what will come next for Airbus. I can not see them going into the future with just the A320 + A350.

Maybe, maybe not.

But the strategy of A320+A350+A220(?) might well be a huge winner.

I can see AB becoming seriously, majorly profitable.

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Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:56 pm

seahawk wrote:
The big question is what will come next for Airbus. I can not see them going into the future with just the A320 + A350.


[Going with economy-class as a common denominator]

A220 - 5AB
A320 - 6AB

A350 - 9AB

Definitely a gap there between 6 & 9.

I've already spoken elsewhere about the extremely marginal viability of 7AB... so that leaves mid-range A330 replacement at 8AB?

[Which would be quite similar to Boeing's MoM, if a bit bigger. I question the market for MoM sandwiched between 787-8, A338 and A321, so I must question the market for an A330 replacement. Maybe if the program arrived into service in 15 years time and had a compelling DOC advantage over 787-9?]
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:35 pm

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Unlike many here, I did not enjoy flying the A380 in the least. From a product management standpoint it clearly missed the mark; I bet the engineers working on it would have liked a second chance to do it a bit differently. Still, it was a remarkable airplane.


I agree. It redefined cattle call. Flew it twice, completely nuts boarding. Interior? Nothing special.


Better than 9 abreast 787 any day 8-)

Sigh. As I have said so many times I should make it my sig, the 9 abreast 787 is perfectly fine on TATLs I have taken up to 10 hours. Many many times on 3 different carriers including an LCC. And not noticeably different from my couple of A359 TATL experiences on Lufthansa. Oh, and I am 6'1" and 235 lbs.

But I wouldn't mind the cattle call boarding to experience flying on an A380. The one caveat would be that the destination would have to be the US so I wouldn't be stuck behind 400+ other clowns at Immigration. Global Entry FTW!
 
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:37 pm

Well not expecting much, we all recall the numerous long threads about A380's scrapping because of no secondary market, A.Net was alive every day with the same
discussions 10 different ways, when the scrapping actually did happen, A.Net had about one thread which did not last long, so if this is a termination announcement, will see what happens.
Actually, I expect another slow down in production rates with a Letter Of Intent from RR to revisit its stance on PIP's for the engines.
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:51 pm

Oh well, I hope at least Airbus will do a good job in securing a long life for the remaining flying ones especially in provisioning a good pool of spare parts so the A380 will not end up as another L1011.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:52 pm

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Cabin configuration is controlled by the buyer (SQ) of the frame, not the seller.


And pretty much all buyers of the a380 use it in a very Ineffecient layout. It's simply too big
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:56 pm

Arion640 wrote:
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PITingres wrote:
Unlike many here, I did not enjoy flying the A380 in the least. From a product management standpoint it clearly missed the mark; I bet the engineers working on it would have liked a second chance to do it a bit differently. Still, it was a remarkable airplane.


I agree. It redefined cattle call. Flew it twice, completely nuts boarding. Interior? Nothing special.


Better than 9 abreast 787 any day 8-)


Imo the lower altitude, higher humidity, and bigger windows make the 787 much better to fly on
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:00 pm

musman9853 wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
Cabin configuration is controlled by the buyer (SQ) of the frame, not the seller.


And pretty much all buyers of the a380 use it in a very Ineffecient layout. It's simply too big

What you view as inefficient (meaning, less pax than the max) is viewed by others as "more premium oriented", leading to bigger yields.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:00 pm

Clipper101 wrote:
Oh well, I hope at least Airbus will do a good job in securing a long life for the remaining flying ones especially in provisioning a good pool of spare parts so the A380 will not end up as another L1011.

Don't forget the supersonic pax jet that BA was making profits on that was killed because the "OEM" ceased support.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:04 pm

musman9853 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
DL717 wrote:

I agree. It redefined cattle call. Flew it twice, completely nuts boarding. Interior? Nothing special.


Better than 9 abreast 787 any day 8-)


Imo the lower altitude, higher humidity, and bigger windows make the 787 much better to fly on


The A380 has that apart from the bigger windows.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:04 pm

par13del wrote:
Clipper101 wrote:
Oh well, I hope at least Airbus will do a good job in securing a long life for the remaining flying ones especially in provisioning a good pool of spare parts so the A380 will not end up as another L1011.

Don't forget the supersonic pax jet that BA was making profits on that was killed because the "OEM" ceased support.


So true, ironically that was the same "OEM" concerned with the discussions in here.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:06 pm

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Arion640 wrote:
DL717 wrote:

I agree. It redefined cattle call. Flew it twice, completely nuts boarding. Interior? Nothing special.


Better than 9 abreast 787 any day 8-)

Sigh. As I have said so many times I should make it my sig, the 9 abreast 787 is perfectly fine on TATLs I have taken up to 10 hours. Many many times on 3 different carriers including an LCC. And not noticeably different from my couple of A359 TATL experiences on Lufthansa. Oh, and I am 6'1" and 235 lbs.

But I wouldn't mind the cattle call boarding to experience flying on an A380. The one caveat would be that the destination would have to be the US so I wouldn't be stuck behind 400+ other clowns at Immigration. Global Entry FTW!


Flew 11 hours once across from London to LA on BA’s A380 in Economy. Then jumped on a 12 hour flight from LA to Auckland on a 787 overnight. It was horrid. A380 all the way.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:07 pm

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The new leadership probably wanted that big problem off the table.


I would agree with this statement as being the most influential on the decision to end A380 production. The new leadership team at Airbus has a very different global view than prior teams IMO. They also have a far greater "reality based" view of EU economics pertaining as to what is or is not viable. Airbus going forward will have far greater expectations in terms of revenue.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:08 pm

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jworks158 wrote:
This article claimed that they are still pushing for BA to order a few more A380s


BA are too smart for that. When they are ready for more A380s, they will just pick up used frames for cheap.


I don't think that will happen, as many have said it will cost too much to retrofit a used A380
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:21 pm

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jworks158 wrote:
AlexA340B777 wrote:
New article from renowned German economy newspaper appeared tonight, reconfirming the decison about the 380 future is coming closer.

Article in German language only, but I suppose online translators will help:

https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehme ... iVgoHd-ap1


This article claimed that they are still pushing for BA to order a few more A380s


I know Willie Walsh has commented about price being the factor that's stopping BA from ordering more A380's. If price hasn't budged, one wonders if there's a "now or never" ultimatum from Airbus for more orders that might force their hand, partiuclarly given that BA have a need for more A380's (the third runway at LHR is at least 10 years away and decisions need to be made for the replacement of the 15 or so 747's that aren't being replaced by what's on order already). BA traditionally don't acquire second-hand widebodies and to hold out for second-hand A380's is risky given the amount that would need to be spent converting them to BA spec and hoping the condition of any aircraft coming off-lease will be acceptable, as well as whether BA will be prepared to have them with EA engines or if they must have RR engines, though stranger things have happened.


BA also have many slots at LHR which could be used. I think very few of their destinations are slot restricted. By changing A321's for A319 they can increase capacity on routes that were needed to free up a few slots. Unfortunately, from an aviation enthusiasts point of view, it isn't good but it makes perfect sense, far better than having more nearly worthless A380's 10/15 years down the line.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:29 pm

Clipper101 wrote:
Oh well, I hope at least Airbus will do a good job in securing a long life for the remaining flying ones especially in provisioning a good pool of spare parts so the A380 will not end up as another L1011.


Wouldn't be the end of the world if it did turn out that way. The L1011 ended production in 1984 and flew for quite a while after.


In fact, there are actually a lot of parallels. Both were pretty advanced for their time, didn't sell very well, beholden to RR, etc.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:55 pm

glideslope wrote:
seahawk wrote:
The new leadership probably wanted that big problem off the table.


I would agree with this statement as being the most influential on the decision to end A380 production. The new leadership team at Airbus has a very different global view than prior teams IMO. They also have a far greater "reality based" view of EU economics pertaining as to what is or is not viable. Airbus going forward will have far greater expectations in terms of revenue.


FWIW AB stock price is close to all time highs and as advanced 15% just this week.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:02 pm

I have avoided the A380 because I have found that on long flights I can sleep if I have a window seat and can lean up against the sidewall. The A380 with the big gap between the seat and the sidewall would not allow that. I am 6’ and about 200#, so I am somewhat larger than average but not excessively so. I am quite happy with 9ab 77Ws, which have been most of my long haul flights. I don’t think 10ab on the 779 would be a deal breaker; I doubt that EVA or CX will go to 10ab on their 77Ws; from JFK to TPE/HKG is about the range limit for the 77W and if they added seats they would just have to leave some empty (there have been no empty seats on any of the flights I have taken.)
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:15 pm

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A different take on the news. If true, Boeing will have the 4 engine Quad market all to itself.

They should then work on tweaking the 748i to be an SP aircraft. Longer range- 10,500 miles, no ETOPS restrictions, and fewer passengers- 350 in mixed-class configuration. The airlines will reassess their long term needs with this option on the market


ETOPS or no, the 747 is also a lame duck for pax service. The 777X put an end to that.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:33 pm

Arion640 wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Better than 9 abreast 787 any day 8-)


Imo the lower altitude, higher humidity, and bigger windows make the 787 much better to fly on


The A380 has that apart from the bigger windows.


iirc the a380 has a slightly higher altitude, and the a380 doesnt have the same levels of humidity offered by the a350 and 787 due to their composite fuselage.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:45 pm

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Arion640 wrote:
musman9853 wrote:

Imo the lower altitude, higher humidity, and bigger windows make the 787 much better to fly on


The A380 has that apart from the bigger windows.


iirc the a380 has a slightly higher altitude, and the a380 doesnt have the same levels of humidity offered by the a350 and 787 due to their composite fuselage.


I’m 90% certain the 787 and A380 are both 6,000ft.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:47 pm

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The A380 is a unique and amazing aircraft, Anet, I feel, never gave it the respect it deserved and seemed to be constantly predicting, and at times, hoping for it's demise.


Anet gave the A380 plenty of respect, depending on who was posting. But the fact is that those who predicted its failure saw the plane for what it was - an ego project for the EU. Noel Forgeard and the old Airbus leadership team launched this plane because of pure hubris, not because of market dynamics.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:51 pm

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iirc the a380 has a slightly higher altitude, and the a380 doesnt have the same levels of humidity offered by the a350 and 787 due to their composite fuselage.

The humidity on a B787 during cruise is just as low as on all the other aircraft out there, well below 10% rH.


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Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:56 pm

This day was coming. VLA Quads and Tri-jet days were numbered when the 777 arrived nearly 30 years ago. And the 767 started the push when it received ETOPs in the 80s.

I remember reading articles 20 years ago about Airbus and Boeing were making bets on their next line of passenger jets. Airbus bet big with the A380. Boeing believed the market was looking for more frequency\flexibility with a plane like the 787. The market spoke, Boeing made the right bet. Airbus didnt and is preparing to move on. The 747-8 will not see increased sales from the A380s demise. It is in the same spot. The -F version should continue to see some sales.

imo this will be good for Airbus to move on from this plane. It seems like they put a lot of effort in trying to sell it. While also having an expensive supply chain to build a few frames. They can reallocate resources to their other more successful product lines. Or clean sheet something like an A322.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:03 pm

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africawings wrote:
A different take on the news. If true, Boeing will have the 4 engine Quad market all to itself.

They should then work on tweaking the 748i to be an SP aircraft. Longer range- 10,500 miles, no ETOPS restrictions, and fewer passengers- 350 in mixed-class configuration. The airlines will reassess their long term needs with this option on the market


ETOPS or no, the 747 is also a lame duck for pax service. The 777X put an end to that.


Sure, but those 747-8Is will have a long lifetime as converted freighters.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:09 pm

Who would’ve thought the 747-8 would outlive the 380. Ha!
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:19 pm

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speedbird52 wrote:
QueenoftheSkies wrote:

But for how long? Those operating A380s won’t enjoy the longevity of the 747 in service.

EK, BA, LH, and QF all will use the A380 for quite some time.


I strongly doubt many will fly into the 2030s.


You're probably right if for no other reason than the supply chain of parts
for an out of production airplane will increase in price, with 380s' coming off
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:21 pm

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zululima wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
This article claimed that they are still pushing for BA to order a few more A380s


BA are too smart for that. When they are ready for more A380s, they will just pick up used frames for cheap.


I don't think that will happen, as many have said it will cost too much to retrofit a used A380


A lesson learned from the A380 is that, in designing aircraft, A and B must consider the secondary market and reducing the cost of retrofitting aircraft.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:25 pm

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Who would’ve thought the 747-8 would outlive the 380. Ha!


A380 sales still obliterated those of 747-8i. Which is a good thing. And it is Airbus Industrie that will go down in history as the one who built largest passenger jetliner.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:33 pm

N328KF wrote:
ILNFlyer wrote:
africawings wrote:
A different take on the news. If true, Boeing will have the 4 engine Quad market all to itself.

They should then work on tweaking the 748i to be an SP aircraft. Longer range- 10,500 miles, no ETOPS restrictions, and fewer passengers- 350 in mixed-class configuration. The airlines will reassess their long term needs with this option on the market


ETOPS or no, the 747 is also a lame duck for pax service. The 777X put an end to that.


Sure, but those 747-8Is will have a long lifetime as converted freighters.

Who is going to pay the development cost for the -8i freighter conversion? At the max, 47 frames can be converted; that's a lot of money just in R&D per frame...
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:36 pm

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Since Leeham tends to highlight the sales opportunities of Airbus products and are HQ'd in Toulouse, I expect this means the A380 production death warrent has been signed. It is a question of when the last one goes down the line.

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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:40 pm

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Oh well, I hope at least Airbus will do a good job in securing a long life for the remaining flying ones especially in provisioning a good pool of spare parts so the A380 will not end up as another L1011.

ANA thinking about this........
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:41 pm

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Wouldnt the 748 be the ultimate plane for SYD/LHR or go one step further, AKL/LHR.


The 747-8 could only fly those routes if there were no passengers or cargo.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:46 pm

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Unlike many here, I did not enjoy flying the A380 in the least. From a product management standpoint it clearly missed the mark; I bet the engineers working on it would have liked a second chance to do it a bit differently. Still, it was a remarkable airplane.


I agree. It redefined cattle call. Flew it twice, completely nuts boarding. Interior? Nothing special.


Better than 9 abreast 787 any day 8-)


On my last trip, I was on a QF 787-9 LAX-BNE and a QF A380 MEL-SIN. The 787 was a much, much better experience all around.

Obviously opinions vary, so the good news for A380 lovers is that I won't be vying for your seat any time soon. I've started to actively avoid A380's when I can.
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:55 pm

It is possible that the bones of tube and wings two aisle with turbo-engined planes on a globe of Earth's size favors along with our world wide economy a plane approaching 400 people, usually 350. I suspect a physics PhD candidate could come up with the math.
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:22 pm

To keep the thread humming until tomorrow's announce, any 380 frequent flyers willing to help those of us planning our (likely only) super jumbo trip?

Which airline & seat layout is the one to fly, if you're only going to fly it once? My preference is for answers with respect to J class.

My hunch is that EK or SQ is the way to go, but that's really only, like I said, a hunch...

Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:41 pm

BlueSky1976 wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
Who would’ve thought the 747-8 would outlive the 380. Ha!


A380 sales still obliterated those of 747-8i. Which is a good thing. And it is Airbus Industrie that will go down in history as the one who built largest passenger jetliner.


Of course, the 747 lasted 50 years while the A380 will be lucky to last 15. The A380 is also the biggest failure in commercial airliners since the MD11, so yeah, I guess that's something to be proud of.
 
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:42 pm

wowlookplanes wrote:
To keep the thread humming until tomorrow's announce, any 380 frequent flyers willing to help those of us planning our (likely only) super jumbo trip?

Which airline & seat layout is the one to fly, if you're only going to fly it once? My preference is for answers with respect to J class.

My hunch is that EK or SQ is the way to go, but that's really only, like I said, a hunch...

Thanks in advance!

You're talking like the A380 will vanish from the skies tomorrow.

Some are yet to be delivered, even yet to be built; plus all the recently delivered. The A380 will still fly for years to come, no doubt.
 
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:52 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Since Leeham tends to highlight the sales opportunities of Airbus products and are HQ'd in Toulouse, I expect this means the A380 production death warrent has been signed. It is a question of when the last one goes down the line.


Leeham seems to be the unofficial media relations arm of Airbus SE, so if they're running with the story of the A380 cancellation being announced tomorrow, you can probably bank on it.

SEPilot wrote:
I have avoided the A380 because I have found that on long flights I can sleep if I have a window seat and can lean up against the sidewall. The A380 with the big gap between the seat and the sidewall would not allow that.


This has been exactly my experience: I couldn't sleep at all because there was no way to lean up against the wall.

Boeing74741R wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
This article claimed that they are still pushing for BA to order a few more A380s


I know Willie Walsh has commented about price being the factor that's stopping BA from ordering more A380's. If price hasn't budged, one wonders if there's a "now or never" ultimatum from Airbus for more orders that might force their hand


BA has clearly never been serious about ordering more A380s if WW is complaining about the price. It has been no secret that A380 production has been break-even for Airbus on an operating basis even in its best years and a money-loser in the rest, including now. WW expects Airbus to sell BA A380s at even greater losses because why?
 
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:01 pm

BlueSky1976 wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
Who would’ve thought the 747-8 would outlive the 380. Ha!


A380 sales still obliterated those of 747-8i. Which is a good thing. And it is Airbus Industrie that will go down in history as the one who built largest passenger jetliner.



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Gloomy assessment aside, the A380 is a remarkable aircraft. I've flown it LAX-SYD, MEL-LAX, LAX-DXB, DXB-LAX, LHR-LAX.

Next A380 flight: LAX-MUC (then MUC-LAX on a 747-8i - bless you, LH!). -ir
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:08 pm

ScottB wrote:
WW expects Airbus to sell BA A380s at even greater losses because why?

Because he's WW.
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:08 pm

BlueSky1976 wrote:
A380 sales still obliterated those of 747-8i. Which is a good thing. And it is Airbus Industrie that will go down in history as the one who built largest passenger jetliner.


I am pretty sure Airbus would have taken profits in lieu of that special place in history.
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:10 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
N328KF wrote:
ILNFlyer wrote:

ETOPS or no, the 747 is also a lame duck for pax service. The 777X put an end to that.


Sure, but those 747-8Is will have a long lifetime as converted freighters.

Who is going to pay the development cost for the -8i freighter conversion? At the max, 47 frames can be converted; that's a lot of money just in R&D per frame...


I bet it won't be as hard to figure out 747-8I conversion as it would be A380 conversion. After all, they do have a template to draw upon (747-400BCF.)

777PHX wrote:
BlueSky1976 wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
Who would’ve thought the 747-8 would outlive the 380. Ha!


A380 sales still obliterated those of 747-8i. Which is a good thing. And it is Airbus Industrie that will go down in history as the one who built largest passenger jetliner.


Of course, the 747 lasted 50 years while the A380 will be lucky to last 15. The A380 is also the biggest failure in commercial airliners since the MD11, so yeah, I guess that's something to be proud of.


The difference is that the MD-11 never had the aurora or fanbase (from customers, not avgeeks) that the A380 does.
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:13 pm

BlueSky1976 wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
Who would’ve thought the 747-8 would outlive the 380. Ha!


A380 sales still obliterated those of 747-8i. Which is a good thing. And it is Airbus Industrie that will go down in history as the one who built largest passenger jetliner.


So far. Records are made to be broken, and China is a big country with grand ambitions. But ya, for a relatively narrow window, they built the biggest.
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:17 pm

WPvsMW wrote:
ScottB wrote:
WW expects Airbus to sell BA A380s at even greater losses because why?

Because he's WW.


I'm finding it really hard to take WW seriously with respect to his A380 flirtation. His (in)action after all these years leads to me believe that he's just a playful tease with no desire (or incentive) to consummate the deal. Otherwise, he would have. -ir
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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:19 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
wowlookplanes wrote:
To keep the thread humming until tomorrow's announce, any 380 frequent flyers willing to help those of us planning our (likely only) super jumbo trip?

Which airline & seat layout is the one to fly, if you're only going to fly it once? My preference is for answers with respect to J class.

My hunch is that EK or SQ is the way to go, but that's really only, like I said, a hunch...

Thanks in advance!

You're talking like the A380 will vanish from the skies tomorrow.

Some are yet to be delivered, even yet to be built; plus all the recently delivered. The A380 will still fly for years to come, no doubt.


Indeed. BA will probably be flying theirs for another 15-20 years from now.
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