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UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:25 pm

UA is aggressively growing in SFO. In next few years, any possibilities to see these routes happens? BKK, MNL, SGN, NGO, BNE
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:31 pm

Some of these routes have been flown in the past both NS and tag's. BNE would be a first, and may be the more likely of them all. I think NGO would do much better now then it had in the past from SFO. SGN could be a good one in the near future from Vietnam Airlines. I doubt we will see a NS or BKK or MNL even though I think a BKK could work.
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:33 pm

I can see BNE and NGO.
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:40 pm

So much of the US-NGO market is all DTW. Why bother with that one?
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:41 pm

babastud wrote:
Some of these routes have been flown in the past both NS and tag's. BNE would be a first, and may be the more likely of them all. I think NGO would do much better now then it had in the past from SFO. SGN could be a good one in the near future from Vietnam Airlines. I doubt we will see a NS or BKK or MNL even though I think a BKK could work.


BNE was served as a tag to SYD around 1991-94 3 weekly on a 744 iIRC.

AKL and PPT have gone yearround aswell.
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:56 pm

babastud wrote:
BNE would be a first, and may be the more likely of them all.


TWA772LR wrote:
I can see BNE and NGO.


Isn't this a slow time for US-Australia travel due to weak Aussie $? Other posts have seem to indicate that there are reductions in Australia traffic.
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:59 pm

UA is beginning to cut some Australian capacity. They are reducing both LAX-SYD and IAH-SYD. This effectively cuts one daily flight from the US-Australia market. These cuts are seasonal though. However, they are still adding 3 weekly SFO-MEL later this year.
I would be surprised if they added any more seats to the Australian market in the short term. But SFO-BNE would certainly be the next logical destination if there were to be future adds when the overcapacity, yields pressures and low AUD stabilise back to normal whatever normal is.
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:03 pm

I would wager that SFO is reaching the maximum for now for UA. SGN/BKK routinely come up, but between the JV with NH and lack of premium demand, probably not happening in this economic cycle.

BNE maybe in the future, if we see the continued decentralization of US-Australia flying away from LAX. But UA still has no partner (though AC seems to do fine).

UA did do SFO-NGO, and the Bay Area increasingly has an auto industry (via autonomous driving, maps, etc). Interior China has already been pulled back.

The only things left could include India (BOM, BLR), or more off the wall destinations like GUM, NAN, or PUS. Or increasing frequency, like to ICN. But I don't think UA has enough aircraft deliveries in the next year to have a huge expansion westward.
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:13 pm

Given that there are so many American expats in Bangkok and Thailand, I’m shocked that there isn’t a nonstop to the US from BKK. I won’t be surprised to see UA add SFO-BKK with a 789 in the near future.
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:22 pm

It would be nice to see UA give NGO another go, but yield management is the only ones that can answer that question. Also, the smallish fleet of 788's doesn't help. They seem to be well spoken for at the moment.

BKK/MNL I will believe it when I see it. SFO-MNL makes sense with the huge Filipino population in the Bay Area, but the yield from my understanding is piss poor. BKK, again low yield and long, but the positive is the Star connection on both ends.

SGN's economy was booming, but has leveled off. The HKG-SGN leg didn't do so hot and was dropped, so I can't see SFO coming into play. Also, BR serves the market well with a TPE stop.

Between fleet use and gate space in SFO, there may not be much for the picking at this time. I would have bet a paycheck we'd see the likes of NGO before PPT by UA.


Aeroflot777 wrote:
babastud wrote:
BNE would be a first, and may be the more likely of them all.


TWA772LR wrote:
I can see BNE and NGO.


Isn't this a slow time for US-Australia travel due to weak Aussie $? Other posts have seem to indicate that there are reductions in Australia traffic.


I don't think they are talking about right now, more in the coming years for SFO. The latest reduction by UA in AU was for the Australia low season (LAX/IAH to SYD)
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:39 pm

Perhaps the success of PPT gives UA confidence to try stuff like SFO-GUM/IPC/NAN/PPG less than daily with the 787. I'm guessing markets like SFO-CAN/NGO have been considered. I have to wonder about stuff like SFO-CHC/CNS/OOL, too.
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:45 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
Perhaps the success of PPT gives UA confidence to try stuff like SFO-GUM/IPC/NAN/PPG less than daily with the 787. I'm guessing markets like SFO-CAN/NGO have been considered. I have to wonder about stuff like SFO-CHC/CNS/OOL, too.


No way will UA or anyone fly n/s to any of these destinations. CNS is a remote, remote possibility but they would do BNE first.
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:52 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
Perhaps the success of PPT gives UA confidence to try stuff like SFO-GUM/IPC/NAN/PPG less than daily with the 787. I'm guessing markets like SFO-CAN/NGO have been considered. I have to wonder about stuff like SFO-CHC/CNS/OOL, too.


No way will UA or anyone fly n/s to any of these destinations. CNS is a remote, remote possibility but they would do BNE first.


I’d say CHC and to a lesser extent NAN would be outsiders aswell given the success of PPT. The rest though don’t seem likely at all.
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:09 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
Perhaps the success of PPT gives UA confidence to try stuff like SFO-GUM/IPC/NAN/PPG less than daily with the 787. I'm guessing markets like SFO-CAN/NGO have been considered. I have to wonder about stuff like SFO-CHC/CNS/OOL, too.


No way will UA or anyone fly n/s to any of these destinations. CNS is a remote, remote possibility but they would do BNE first.


I’d say CHC and to a lesser extent NAN would be outsiders aswell given the success of PPT. The rest though don’t seem likely at all.


NZ could not make CHC-LAX work just a few times a week. FJ already serves SFO 2x weekly. I just don't see a market for either, but time will tell.
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:12 pm

Is there a way to edit this thread title to make it more clear that this is speculation and not an official announcement from UA about new routes? The fact that 1200 people have already clicked on it and there have only been 12 responses indicates that people besides me clicked on this expecting a press release and were disappointed to find nothing more than armchair CEO route speculation that continues to overrun A.net.
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:26 pm

InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
Given that there are so many American expats in Bangkok and Thailand, I’m shocked that there isn’t a nonstop to the US from BKK. I won’t be surprised to see UA add SFO-BKK with a 789 in the near future.


BKK-USA is an ULH flight that needs high yielding traffic to prosper. Bangkok is not a high yielding market. in spite of the high volume of travelers. Thai already tried it and it was a colossal flop.
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:41 pm

IF Air Canada can make Brisbane work United or AA should with a 787. Brisbane is a large city and Queensland is huge including diving up north and Longreach in the middle where the Qantas Founders Museum is located.
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:52 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:

No way will UA or anyone fly n/s to any of these destinations. CNS is a remote, remote possibility but they would do BNE first.


I’d say CHC and to a lesser extent NAN would be outsiders aswell given the success of PPT. The rest though don’t seem likely at all.


NZ could not make CHC-LAX work just a few times a week. FJ already serves SFO 2x weekly. I just don't see a market for either, but time will tell.


NZ tried CHC-LAX 15 years ago with a 744, far to big an aircraft even with low fuel prices it lasted less than 18 months, NZ hub over AKL now for everything but have a JV with UA, weather that JV would see UA fly to CHC I’m not sure but it seems more likely than NZ returning to me, and the market has grown greatly to NZ in general.

NAN while it might seem unlikely is more likely than any other routes mentioned. PPT has 2 carriers each from LAX/SFO and is not a huge market. I’d imagine FJ will look to build SFO frequency.
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:29 am

United faces major facilities issues due to lack of gates at SFO, plus operational headaches due to weather/ATC.

Only so much it can grow, especially if it wants to continue operating its distinctive international hub banks. Simply to no room to accommodate more planes.
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:50 am

"SGN's economy was booming, but has leveled off. The HKG-SGN leg didn't do so hot and was dropped, so I can't see SFO coming into play. Also, BR serves the market well with a TPE stop.

Between fleet use and gate space in SFO, there may not be much for the picking at this time. I would have bet a paycheck we'd see the likes of NGO before PPT by UA."
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UA's first foray into SGN was with the 744, which was a tag from HKG (LAX-HKG-SGN). I recall that route starting, a lot of fanfare because UA was the first US carrier to start service to Vietnam. In the end, the 744 was way too much capacity, and now with their alliance with NH, it didn't make sense to operate the HKG-SGN segment.

If UA does go back to SGN, I would think it would be from LAX instead, and on a 789. My understanding is that the LA basin has a much larger Vietnamese population than does San Francisco.
 
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Re: UA transpacific routes expansion at SFO

Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:21 am

I did the Vietnam flight very soon after it started. The one problem I recall most, aside from my near private 747, was the return flight out was scheduled at some crazy early morning, like 4:35am. I recall considering not even going to bed.
When I got to the airport though, the UA staff was the most EXCTED group of UA employees I’d ever met. Each check-in desk had a large framed picture of the live agent in front of me, he was holding a large scale United 772 in the picture with a big smile and pretending like a kid (in the photo) of the plane zooming around...every agent had their pictures in frames going across.
I was then escorted by an agent to the single worst (ok, second worst) Lounge before being taken to my Battleship Grey 747 while it was still pitch black out.
I will say: being in an empty airport and seeing a sparkling 747 nose at the window is an image I’ll never forget!
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