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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:10 am

Another Aero Mockup set photo - with the odd hybrid non-sheepskin 6003s with the 7502-styled footrests:
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:18 am

Here is a picture of the seat from their website:
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Available as a Single/solo (1) or Double/two (2) across assembly/bench with Taupe (Single/solo and a few Double/two (2) across seats have sheepskin seating area) or Brown leather. Seats include in-arm tray table, cocktail table, leg rest (on two units), seat back recline, seat back pocket and seat belts. Seat is mounted on pre-drilled seat track.

FOB: Los Angeles, CA
Available: Singles 3
Doubles 23
Rental cost: $ 550.00/week per assembly
Included: Seat shipping covers.
Cabin set-ups: Either side of a “One side” cabin,
“Narrow body” cabin
“Wide body” cabin
“Extra wide body” cabin
“Jumbo wide body” cabin
Dimensions Solo 31”w x 44”h x 30”d
Double 57”w x 44”h x 30”d
Handling: Blanket wraps and straps needed.

SEATS CANNOT BE STACKED.


An interesting red leathe option for the seat they have too:
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Note how the pairs on each side have the 7502-style footrest, while the single 6003 in the middle has the extendable chinsy 70s looking legrest - and how that middle seat, unlike in the other pic, has the 5 tufts/pockets of leather, versus the 4 sheepskin.
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:21 am

I remember AA calling the seats leather and lambswool and the ad in post 76 confirms that. I wonder if it was real or synthetic. I am thinking it was real.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:14 pm

travelsonic wrote:
Another Aero Mockup set photo - with the odd hybrid non-sheepskin 6003s with the 7502-styled footrests:
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Yeah- like I said I wonder if these were on the upper deck of the 747 in 1983- as it had sleeper seats on the transcon version and non-sleepers on the HI version- notice the sleepers are spaced out more! Someone had said that it was probably the same setup and just drawn differently but these are engineering documents they are drawn to scale..

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Those red seats look like they were reupholstered.. But def weber like! I wonder if Weber still has a site/contact info. I have had trouble finding anything, but I would think they would have information about which seats were in which planes when for AA since they made them!
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:02 pm

On the topic of 747s- I made this with the launch floor plans/lounges- and pics of the lounges. Delta had the penthouse in the sky and AA had the coach lounge. Notice the AA coach lounge did not immediately feature the piano- at first it had the stand up circular bar! (some photos show the bar, some the piano)

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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:53 am

I made these too

762 9 seat config
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763 10 seat config
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772 sleeper seats
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772 flagship suite seats (introduced later)
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:06 pm

Some pics of the DFW FA training center from another thread which show the F 2-1-2 762 setup and J 2-2-2 (notice those cloud motifs!)

Plus there are some shots further back of the F 2-2-2 DC10 setup and J 2-3-2 (look closely-no cloud motifs on bulkheads and different windows; bonus points if you look really closely and notice the weber 7502 has slightly wider armrests/seat in F than in J even though nearly identical before the switch to the red headrest version!)

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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:28 pm

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I think the 'refresh' J of 95/96 had the lights. Here is a pic of it:

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The refresh of 95/96 was when J class went from 40" pitch to 50" pitch. It looks like F was also increased. At DL, we pulled a row out of J class during that time period to be competitive. From the seat maps below, it looks like AA did the same. I think the DL 767ER F class at the time was 2-1-2 58" pitch.

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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:13 pm

DL_Mech wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:

I think the 'refresh' J of 95/96 had the lights. Here is a pic of it:

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The refresh of 95/96 was when J class went from 40" pitch to 50" pitch. It looks like F was also increased. At DL, we pulled a row out of J class during that time period to be competitive. From the seat maps below, it looks like AA did the same. I think the DL 767ER F class at the time was 2-1-2 58" pitch.

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Those top seat maps are from 1992. and the bottom one is from the early 2000s. But yes the 95/96 seat was slightly changed in design from the original 7502 J seats- and then changed again in the early 2000s.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:52 pm

I found the full version of the pictures that were posted a few pages back. They are from a 1987 brochure which shows both first and business class plus the new 1987 762 layout for international flights! Notice first has the 6003 lambswool with sleeper and biz has the 6003 lambswool without sleeper. Similar to later when they had two different versions of the 7502 (F wider than J but same design). That begs the question of when the 7502 was introduced.. Looking at the seat maps from the brochure, the 762 seats were larger than the DC10 seats, and that could be the 7502! But I am not sure yet..

This is the link to where I found it:
http://www.departedflights.com/AAintern ... cover.html

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Also, here is a cut-away of the 767 from a late 70s annual report:
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:20 pm

Some observations:

The Weber 6003 with sheepskin sleeper in F had a different side than the Weber 6003 with sheepskin non-sleeper in J. On the F seat, the tray table was in the armrest, and in the J seat, the tray table was in the center divider.
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This is the 80s J seat upon further notice (look at the armrests)
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You can see this trend continue into the 7502- where the seats look nearly identical, but are indeed different. The F sleeper seat had a wider armrest, a different side, and a wider center divider.
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Also, if you look closely, you can see the opposite color cloth seat in the rear of coach (they were random between the two colors)
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:16 pm

I was going through the thread and noticed some funny things!


Look closely how first class passengers get latex gloves for their oxy masks, whereas coach passengers don't!
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Look closely at the huge bowl of cigarettes
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Look closely at the whole crab they are using for display when serving crab cakes!
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Sat May 11, 2019 4:34 am

With only have 56K dial up back in the 1990s, AA's interiors were difficult to track. Here's what I'm thinking for certain aircraft types:

1. MD-80: AA heavily invested in the new interiors of the hundreds of S80s in the fleet so that they stayed competitive. By 2001-2002 all had new seats and adjustable headrests in both F and Y.

2. 762 / 763: More of a mystery. It seems just like the S80s during the same time frame were among first priority to get new seats in J and Y (First Class was removed on the 763s IIRC) but some things like the old bulkheads were still intact when I flew an AA 763 on DFW-HNL in August 2002.

3. 757: These were definitely delayed as AA ran out of cash or something. They eventually got same treatment as the above but it took well into the late 2000s, but new seat covers on most of the fleet were completed during 2005-2006. And those airplanes needed it. They were worn down.

4. A300: A few of the Airbuses got PTVs as they were allocated to LHR flights from the East Coast and them subsequently removed. The rest of the fleet got newer seat covers around 2005-2006 same deal as the 757.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 2:36 pm

wernerga3 wrote:
Some pics of the DFW FA training center from another thread which show the F 2-1-2 762 setup and J 2-2-2 (notice those cloud motifs!)


Although US retired the 762s from Piedmont before the merger with AA was complete, Piedmont only had two cabins which was J on international flights and F on domestic flights and the configuration was 2x1x2 with footrests. The first flight was on 6/15/87 and here is a video I believe is from 1988, the link should start at 8:12 but if it doesn’t that is where you see the entire cabin. I thought both cabins looked really cool and since 6/15/87 was the same date Piedmont launched F systemwide (they only had it on a few 727-200 Advanced for LAX, SFO flights and their tags beginning in 1984 when they launched transcon), all 733, 734, 767, and F28-4000s got these F seat covers. The 732s and F28-1000s F seats had the same pattern, but rust and beige (shown at 54:20 in the video in daylight) instead of shades of blue and gray. I assume the non transcon 727s got the rust and beige F seats too since they had similar Y cabins as the 732. The red, blue and gray coach seat fabric on the 767 was first launched though on the 733 in 1985. You can see coach great in this video but it’s dark outside and harder to see the F/J cabin. While US kept the 2x1x2 configuration until the wet lease with BA in 1994 (when they got BA interiors), they put new seat fabric in all their jets around 1991, two years after merging with PI, so this 767 interior lasted less than five years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCndegVzMxU&t=8m12s

Btw this is an amazing video with lots of great exterior and cockpit shots of Piedmont 767s and more.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu May 23, 2019 3:41 pm

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I was going through the thread and noticed some funny things!


Look closely how first class passengers get latex gloves for their oxy masks, whereas coach passengers don't!
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That's bizarre. What would be the purpose?
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Tue May 28, 2019 11:22 pm

While working on my 747 launch customers project (27 airlines), I came across this rather rare photo from Teague- The firm who designed the 1983 AA cabins. The 767 coach cabin originated in all blue (which was a departure from the blue and beige alternating design in other AA planes at the time). Notice the cloud motifs on the back wall as well.

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So to conclude this thread- That was the coach launch cabin, and this was the first class launch cabin

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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed May 29, 2019 2:48 am

wernerga3 wrote:
While working on my 747 launch customers project (27 airlines), I came across this rather rare photo from Teague- The firm who designed the 1983 AA cabins. The 767 coach cabin originated in all blue (which was a departure from the blue and beige alternating design in other AA planes at the time). Notice the cloud motifs on the back wall as well.

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So to conclude this thread- That was the coach launch cabin, and this was the first class launch cabin

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Actually...that is not the 767-200 launch cabin. The aft bulkhead walls were delivered with the matte computer-generated cloud/sky pattern. The bolder blue/grey/white “quilted” pattern shown in this pic was rolled out around 1988. This 767-200 also appears to have the retrofitted galley configuration adopted when AA transitioned from 14” carts to 12” carts on the -200. The -300 was delivered with 12” carts in 1987. The -200 non-ERs and original -200 -ERs were delivered with galleys configured for “14 carts. AA did not begin retrofitting the -200s with new “12 cart galleys until 1991.

This 767 has “12 cart galleys. If this had the “14 cart galleys, parts of the galley would be visible in the pic. The aft jumpseats on the “12 cart galley aircraft were moved inboard to accommodate two cart storage adjacent to the exits between the jumpseat and the fuselage wall. Therefore , this pic is either a -300 or a post -1991 reconfigured -200. More likely a post -1991 reconfigured -200 because...while hard to tell...the aft centerline lavs of the -300s appear to be missing.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 12:41 pm

afcjets wrote:

Btw this is an amazing video with lots of great exterior and cockpit shots of Piedmont 767s and more.


Did PI/US have any ovens in the Y galley?

http://youtu.be/rCndegVzMxU?t=696
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed May 29, 2019 12:48 pm

wernerga3 wrote:
The 767 coach cabin originated in all blue (which was a departure from the blue and beige alternating design in other AA planes at the time). Notice the cloud motifs on the back wall as well.

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Note that that 767 has the later overhead bin latches. Probably a late 80s build a/c. 1987 build DL 767-332s still had the old style latches in the cabin.

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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed May 29, 2019 1:16 pm

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Actually...that is not the 767-200 launch cabin. The aft bulkhead walls were delivered with the matte computer-generated cloud/sky pattern.


Do you have a photo of the launch cabin? Teague labeled it as such- that's what I was going off of.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu May 30, 2019 12:40 am

DL_Mech wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Btw this is an amazing video with lots of great exterior and cockpit shots of Piedmont 767s and more.


Did PI/US have any ovens in the Y galley?

http://youtu.be/rCndegVzMxU?t=696


Not sure, I have never really paid close attention to galleys, but I would think it would be hard to serve hot meals in both cabins on transatlantic flights without them. Also, Piedmont J class was marketed as F class for the price of J and the service was over the top. I think lobster was often on the J menu. I never flew their J class but did on US. In 1986 when F was only on their transcon flights, I flew CLT-SFO in F and dinner was five courses and took 2.5 hours. The FAs basically upgraded me for free, I was only 16 and they could tell how much I was into planes.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu May 30, 2019 1:05 am

wernerga3 wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
Actually...that is not the 767-200 launch cabin. The aft bulkhead walls were delivered with the matte computer-generated cloud/sky pattern.


Do you have a photo of the launch cabin? Teague labeled it as such- that's what I was going off of.


I am guessing since 1983 is about when the baby blue and beige seats were launched on AA and when 767s were new, they probably first appeared on the 767. The interior is basically the same in the pic AA likely just went with the mostly blue seats cabin wide because they probably showed less dirt than the inverse color scheme and it probably was more efficient and cost effective to have one seat fabric vs two that were almost the same. Teague still wants to take credit if they designed it and probably wanted to update their photo when AA phased out the mostly beige seats.

US did something similar, after they merged with PI they chose two different shades of mostly blue cloth Y seats with small hot pink bars in the shape of a square or rectangle not too different from the AA pattern launched in 1983. The two shades of blue were electric blue (sorta like a slurpee) and dark blue. Within a few years they phased out the electric blue and went with only the darker blue probably for the same reasons AA went with the one darker color.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu May 30, 2019 3:54 am

N649DL wrote:
With only have 56K dial up back in the 1990s, AA's interiors were difficult to track. Here's what I'm thinking for certain aircraft types:

1. MD-80: AA heavily invested in the new interiors of the hundreds of S80s in the fleet so that they stayed competitive. By 2001-2002 all had new seats and adjustable headrests in both F and Y.

2. 762 / 763: More of a mystery. It seems just like the S80s during the same time frame were among first priority to get new seats in J and Y (First Class was removed on the 763s IIRC) but some things like the old bulkheads were still intact when I flew an AA 763 on DFW-HNL in August 2002.

3. 757: These were definitely delayed as AA ran out of cash or something. They eventually got same treatment as the above but it took well into the late 2000s, but new seat covers on most of the fleet were completed during 2005-2006. And those airplanes needed it. They were worn down.

4. A300: A few of the Airbuses got PTVs as they were allocated to LHR flights from the East Coast and them subsequently removed. The rest of the fleet got newer seat covers around 2005-2006 same deal as the 757.



I flew ORD>ARN on a 762 in spring 2001 in J. It was absolutely fitted out with the old sheepskin recliners in both F and J. Those were extremely comfortable seats to be sure. Great memory!
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Thu May 30, 2019 4:55 am

DL_Mech wrote:
afcjets wrote:

Btw this is an amazing video with lots of great exterior and cockpit shots of Piedmont 767s and more.


Did PI/US have any ovens in the Y galley?

http://youtu.be/rCndegVzMxU?t=696

No.

PI/US used warming trolleys to heat up Y meals. The meal trays were then re-stowed in the carts after the meal service IIRC, prohibiting the provision of a second hot meal service (CLT-Brazil flights had a full hot arrival service in Y on the A332, while CLT-Brazil flights on the 767 only had a cold meal service prior to arrival in Y).

I remember that meals on the 767 always had a different taste than those prepared on other aircraft, and it was common for the salad/dessert to be hot as well...I'm guessing because the trolley heated everything up rather than just the hot entree.
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu May 30, 2019 6:52 pm

AAIL86 wrote:
N649DL wrote:
With only have 56K dial up back in the 1990s, AA's interiors were difficult to track. Here's what I'm thinking for certain aircraft types:

1. MD-80: AA heavily invested in the new interiors of the hundreds of S80s in the fleet so that they stayed competitive. By 2001-2002 all had new seats and adjustable headrests in both F and Y.

2. 762 / 763: More of a mystery. It seems just like the S80s during the same time frame were among first priority to get new seats in J and Y (First Class was removed on the 763s IIRC) but some things like the old bulkheads were still intact when I flew an AA 763 on DFW-HNL in August 2002.

3. 757: These were definitely delayed as AA ran out of cash or something. They eventually got same treatment as the above but it took well into the late 2000s, but new seat covers on most of the fleet were completed during 2005-2006. And those airplanes needed it. They were worn down.

4. A300: A few of the Airbuses got PTVs as they were allocated to LHR flights from the East Coast and them subsequently removed. The rest of the fleet got newer seat covers around 2005-2006 same deal as the 757.



I flew ORD>ARN on a 762 in spring 2001 in J. It was absolutely fitted out with the old sheepskin recliners in both F and J. Those were extremely comfortable seats to be sure. Great memory!


I'll bet! BTW, when did AA drop ORD-ARN? It seems like for years they were the only consistent US carrier flying nonstop to Sweden.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu May 30, 2019 8:41 pm

wernerga3 wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
Actually...that is not the 767-200 launch cabin. The aft bulkhead walls were delivered with the matte computer-generated cloud/sky pattern.


Do you have a photo of the launch cabin? Teague labeled it as such- that's what I was going off of.


Yes, I do. But I am in the pictures along with others and I do not feel comfortable sharing them here.
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:09 am

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Looking at the seat maps from the brochure, the 762 seats were larger than the DC10 seats


I found more seat maps of the 767, DC10, M11

https://web.archive.org/web/19970202201 ... 67200s.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/19970202201 ... 67300s.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/19970202202 ... c1010s.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/19970202202 ... d11one.htm


I also found more details about the domestc Flagship F and J service on the 767 etc.


https://web.archive.org/web/19961028043 ... et_afs.htm
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:35 am

It looks like the 763 F cabin from above in 1997 is different than 1995 so it was modified again within a couple of years...

"In 1995, American is modifying its 767-300 aircraft in order to better serve our international passengers.
Specific improvements include:
Increasing First Class seat pitch to 62 inches
Relocating Business Class lavatories
Supplying new First and Business Class seats with improved footrests and lumbar support
Upgrading the personal video system in First Class
Replacing current phone system with a new digital phone system"

https://web.archive.org/web/19961028043 ... et_ifs.htm

Here is the seat map...

https://web.archive.org/web/19961028042 ... 67300s.htm
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:41 am

millionsofmiles wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
Actually...that is not the 767-200 launch cabin. The aft bulkhead walls were delivered with the matte computer-generated cloud/sky pattern.


Do you have a photo of the launch cabin? Teague labeled it as such- that's what I was going off of.


Yes, I do. But I am in the pictures along with others and I do not feel comfortable sharing them here.


There are now several photos of AA's 767 at SFO from January 1983 on a.net. Is this the first month or did it come online in late 1982? If so that would mean the baby blue or boulder blue seats started in 1982 instead of 1983?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/America ... 41Zw%3D%3D
 
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Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:43 am

afcjets wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:

Do you have a photo of the launch cabin? Teague labeled it as such- that's what I was going off of.


Yes, I do. But I am in the pictures along with others and I do not feel comfortable sharing them here.


There are now several photos of AA's 767 at SFO from January 1983 on a.net. Is this the first month or did it come online in late 1982? If so that would mean the baby blue or boulder blue seats started in 1982 instead of 1983?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/America ... 41Zw%3D%3D


The first 3 were delivered to AA in November and December 1982. They were initially placed on JFK-SFO, and were exceedingly unpopular, especially in FC. Considering that this market was dominated by 747s; DC-10s and L-1011s with relatively spacious FC cabins, the public wasn’t too thrilled with the relatively cramped 24-seat FC 767 cabin. The 767-200 was pulled off of JFK-SFO, and confined to such routes as LGA-ORD, ORD-DFW, DFW-PHX, DFW-SFO, and ORD-PHX. The 767-200 was reinstated in the JFK-SFO market in September 1984.

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