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KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:02 am

This morning this happened at Amsterdam Airport during pushback:
(as far as I know; during pushback of the 747; the 747's winglet hit the horizontal stabilizer of the 787)

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The 747 was suppossed to go to LAX as KL601 and the 787 was KL623 to Atlanta.
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:14 am

That's quite a silly mistake. While the 747 could probably fly after a check and removal of the winglet, the 787 will be out longer (although probably not too difficult to repair, not sure if KL has the spare parts available at AMS).

They could rent the HiFly A380 to sub perhaps ;-)
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:25 am

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They could rent the HiFly A380 to sub perhaps ;-)

Excellent plan; killing two birds with one whale.

The Hi-Fly A380 takes everybody to ATL, chucks out the KL623 pax, and then carries on to LAX with the KL601 contingent.

This could become a regular feature.
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:41 am

KL wings clipped. AS wings clipped. Too many AI wannabes.
 
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:00 pm

Someone got some 'splainin to do!
 
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:10 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
KL wings clipped. AS wings clipped. Too many AI wannabes.

???
 
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:39 pm

Well well, the queen is showing her nails now that the juvenile princess is slowly taking over her rol. This is going to put pressure on the fleetplanning. 747 already gets subbed regularly and KLM keeps just 1x 77W on standby.
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:46 pm

Time to call Delta and see if they got more spare aircraft available.
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:48 pm

AMS - LAX shows "awaiting take off" on DL site. KLM just shows KL 601 the arrival and departure at the same time.....I'm guessing they have not updated the system yet to show a delay?....They are showing KL 621 (AMS- ATL) as cancelled.
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:06 pm

Bricktop wrote:
Someone got some 'splainin to do!


Multiple people have some splainin to do, what was the wing walker on the right side of the 744 doing (if there was one there at all)?

Pushing out widebodies is confined spaces you need wing walkers and they absolutely must be paying attention as in many cases the pusher can't see the wings do to the location of the push back tractor. If there was no wing walker covering the right side of the 744 that aircraft should have never left the gate especially with the 789 being so close to the lead in line which I'm assuming the pusher was following while dispatching this aircraft.
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:06 pm

-Hey, where's the baggage handler?
-Uh... It's over there, by the forklift!
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:12 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
They could rent the HiFly A380 to sub perhaps ;-)

Excellent plan; killing two birds with one whale.

The Hi-Fly A380 takes everybody to ATL, chucks out the KL623 pax, and then carries on to LAX with the KL601 contingent.

This could become a regular feature.
You should copyright © that idea. It could be the future of air travel.... :bigthumbsup:

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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:29 pm

jayunited wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Someone got some 'splainin to do!


Multiple people have some splainin to do, what was the wing walker on the right side of the 744 doing (if there was one there at all)?

Pushing out widebodies is confined spaces you need wing walkers and they absolutely must be paying attention as in many cases the pusher can't see the wings do to the location of the push back tractor. If there was no wing walker covering the right side of the 744 that aircraft should have never left the gate especially with the 789 being so close to the lead in line which I'm assuming the pusher was following while dispatching this aircraft.


To my knowledge, there are no wing walkers used at AMS (KL definitely doesn't have them), I've never seen them in the 10 years that I've lived there. The way I know AMS there are no tight spaces as aircraft have quite some space to maneuver.

Looking at the location where this collision happened, I don't think it has to do with the available space itself, just the pushback not being done correctly.

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Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:52 pm

I guess DL will be able to provide relief on ATL and they will use the spare 77W on LAX
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:01 pm

DL website is showing DL 9374 (KL operated) as cancelled. However. DL 8816 is showing the same ETD/ETA (1650 - 2025) on 767-300. If you prefer flightradar24, however, the flight is shown to be operated by an A330, ship N810NW.
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:20 pm

jayunited wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Someone got some 'splainin to do!


Multiple people have some splainin to do, what was the wing walker on the right side of the 744 doing (if there was one there at all)?

Pushing out widebodies is confined spaces you need wing walkers and they absolutely must be paying attention as in many cases the pusher can't see the wings do to the location of the push back tractor. If there was no wing walker covering the right side of the 744 that aircraft should have never left the gate especially with the 789 being so close to the lead in line which I'm assuming the pusher was following while dispatching this aircraft.


This comes up every time a collision occurs on this side of the pond. Wing walkers are pretty much nowhere to be found in Europe. Also the American carriers don't use them while pushing back in AMS.

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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:21 pm

Looks like KL623 was subsequently cancelled this morning.

KL621 was already cancelled with Delta operating instead, as has been the case for some weeks now.

Looking at departures for tomorrow, it would appear Delta will now run all 4 Atlanta flights with both KLMs cancelled in favour of DL330-300s.
 
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:23 pm

Ouch, that's an expensive mistake! Interesting to see pictures taken from both planes at around the same time. I think the 744 will be fixed quicker than the 789. If necessary, a 744 can be operated with just one winglet, it has been done before. How long would the replacement of a 787 stabilizer take normally?
 
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:31 pm

TurboJet707 wrote:
....How long would the replacement of a 787 stabilizer take normally?


I would imagine KLM is an Amazon Prime member, so they should be able to get a new stabilizer within a day or two...........and free shipping....... ;)
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Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:58 pm

KL 602 now showing ETD/ETA 1905 - 1420 (schedule had been 1350 - 905). Still showing a mixed combo. The outbound KL 601 now departing 1729.
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:25 pm

oh, oh, somebody's in Dutch for sure!
 
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:27 pm

The Boeing 747 (PH-BFV) is scheduled to fly KL565 to Nairobi tomorrow, departing Amsterdam at 12:00.
The Boeing 787 (PH-BHA) is scheduled to fly KL661 to Houston on Thursday, departing Amsterdam at 10:05.
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:07 pm

Oops. I imagine someone had an unpleasant conversation with their boss.

I'm sure there's a 744 winglet close by, so I'm sure the 744 will be back in service tomorrow. We'll see about the 789 - that looks like more work than just swapping a part.
 
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:29 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
The Boeing 747 (PH-BFV) is scheduled to fly KL565 to Nairobi tomorrow, departing Amsterdam at 12:00.
The Boeing 787 (PH-BHA) is scheduled to fly KL661 to Houston on Thursday, departing Amsterdam at 10:05.

Updates for PH-BFV and PH-BHA. Both are now scheduled to re-enter service tomorrow, with BFV going to LAX, and BHA going to SFO. Subject to change of course!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfv

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bha
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:11 pm

We tougher laws to deter this kind of Boeing on Boeing crime.
 
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:52 pm

audidudi wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
The Boeing 747 (PH-BFV) is scheduled to fly KL565 to Nairobi tomorrow, departing Amsterdam at 12:00.
The Boeing 787 (PH-BHA) is scheduled to fly KL661 to Houston on Thursday, departing Amsterdam at 10:05.

Updates for PH-BFV and PH-BHA. Both are now scheduled to re-enter service tomorrow, with BFV going to LAX, and BHA going to SFO. Subject to change of course!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfv

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bha


Both planes are still out of service. PH-BHA will probably be out of service for quite some time. LAX ended getting PH-BFN (774), which was supposed to fly to YYZ, who in turn got PH-BQC (772). ATL got PH-BQK (772) and SFO got PH-BHM (779).
 
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:01 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
The Boeing 747 (PH-BFV) is scheduled to fly KL565 to Nairobi tomorrow, departing Amsterdam at 12:00.
The Boeing 787 (PH-BHA) is scheduled to fly KL661 to Houston on Thursday, departing Amsterdam at 10:05.

Updates for PH-BFV and PH-BHA. Both are now scheduled to re-enter service tomorrow, with BFV going to LAX, and BHA going to SFO. Subject to change of course!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfv

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bha


Both planes are still out of service. PH-BHA will probably be out of service for quite some time. LAX ended getting PH-BFN (774), which was supposed to fly to YYZ, who in turn got PH-BQC (772). ATL got PH-BQK (772) and SFO got PH-BHM (779).


774 and 779?
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:02 pm

Does this accident have anything to do with why KL 641/642 AMS-JFK-AMS on a 789 is cancelled today, Friday, Feb 15th & Saturday, Feb 16th?
 
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:18 pm

Swadian wrote:
piedmontf284000 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Updates for PH-BFV and PH-BHA. Both are now scheduled to re-enter service tomorrow, with BFV going to LAX, and BHA going to SFO. Subject to change of course!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfv

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bha


Both planes are still out of service. PH-BHA will probably be out of service for quite some time. LAX ended getting PH-BFN (774), which was supposed to fly to YYZ, who in turn got PH-BQC (772). ATL got PH-BQK (772) and SFO got PH-BHM (779).


774 and 779?


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Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:24 pm

aeromoe wrote:
Swadian wrote:
piedmontf284000 wrote:

Both planes are still out of service. PH-BHA will probably be out of service for quite some time. LAX ended getting PH-BFN (774), which was supposed to fly to YYZ, who in turn got PH-BQC (772). ATL got PH-BQK (772) and SFO got PH-BHM (779).


774 and 779?


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Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:40 pm

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KL wings clipped. AS wings clipped. Too many AI wannabes.


AS? Did I miss something?
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Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:50 am

PH-BFV is on her way to LAX as KL601: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM601/1f84817d
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:51 am

packmedic wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
KL wings clipped. AS wings clipped. Too many AI wannabes.


AS? Did I miss something?

Yes.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1415449
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:28 am

Iemand91 wrote:
This morning this happened at Amsterdam Airport during pushback:
(as far as I know; during pushback of the 747; the 747's winglet hit the horizontal stabilizer of the 787)

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The 747 was suppossed to go to LAX as KL601 and the 787 was KL623 to Atlanta.



I saw that happen before to the 747. They removed the rest of the winglet and flew to AMS.
 
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Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:29 am

Aptivaboy wrote:
We tougher laws to deter this kind of Boeing on Boeing crime.



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Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:30 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
KL wings clipped. AS wings clipped. Too many AI wannabes.



Awe man, your killing me.

While the AI fans wont be laughing, that is too funny...and unfortunately the truth.
 
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AirKevin wrote:
packmedic wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
KL wings clipped. AS wings clipped. Too many AI wannabes.


AS? Did I miss something?

Yes.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtop ... &t=1415449


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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:34 am

also, if not yet mentioned here, 14.02.2019
767 Azur Air VQBUO clipped 747 Russia Airlines EIXLH at Vnukovo, Moscow.
https://aviaforum.ru/threads/melkie-pro ... st-2356159
 
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:55 am

The KLM 787 PH-BHA is finally flying again; just left Amsterdam for Houston: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM661/1fe07d47
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Re: KLM 747-400 PH-BFV hits KLM 787-9 PH-BHA at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:40 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
PH-BFV is on her way to LAX as KL601: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM601/1f84817d


Iemand91 wrote:
The KLM 787 PH-BHA is finally flying again; just left Amsterdam for Houston: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM661/1fe07d47


PH-BFV flying again 3 days later, PH-BHA more than a month repair time.

The sturdy built 747 versus the plastic 787 :lol:
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